I'm running Black Eagle Spartans 200 spine, 120gr Ethics Archery SS inserts, 200gr. Cutthroat Single Bevel Broadheads. 709.3gr total @ 18.4% FOC

The archery industry - AKA you guys (at least you’re suggesting 400-450gr though) - needs to start downplaying speed/KE and emphasizing accuracy and momentum. Expandable shooters should shoot at least 450-500gr set ups - light arrows, weak spine and big cut expandable heads all add up to rarely seeing pass through shots on TV shows. I used to follow the speed crowd as I started bow hunting in 2008, but having a 275lb whitetail at 12 yards, shooting a Rage Hypodermic and a CX Blue Streak 350 at 30”/70lb, I did not get a pass through. Out of a ground blind. Lousy blood trail and the most penetration on the offside it got was 1/8” where it bounced off the rib cage. No shoulder, no spine, no big bones. The arrow should have been 10 feet beyond the deer, not being broken by a tree as it ran off. More weight, more FOC, and a cut on contact head lead to more pass throughs and allows even 40-45lb bows to blow through deer. Tuned equipment, sharpened broadheads (not just opening the package) and short shots, avoiding the need for 60+yd shots that professional hunters seem to be taking nowadays.

I’m new to archery This is my first year bowhunting.I may have went a bit overboard lol I’m shooting a Prime CT5 at 67# 29 1/2 inch draw with a Vap Tko arrow that weights 477gr.They have the 50gr inserts out front and I plan on shooting a 125 gr fixed blade Magnus broadhead.(I have four fletch heat vanes )I think my foc is around 16%.Im only guessing but my speed can’t be over 270 right now.But like you said,it’s whitetail and I’m looking for a 20/25 yard shot.I guess I will also be able to kill a Subaru with the momentum those things punch with lol

Everything this guy said made me cringe after reading the Ashby foundation. Not only do they have the field research data, but also the physics and math to back it up. It’s definitely something I can appreciate as a mechanical engineer. Going fixed, single bevel, high FOC this year and feeling confident!

I know I’m late to this video, but I don’t think bow hunters should worry so much about “kinetic energy” and think more about “momentum” and “efficiency.” Our goal should be to cut as much vital tissue as possible, as efficiently as possible. If our arrows transfer kinetic energy to the animal, it will reduce penetration and tissues cut. Yes, we need KE to launch the arrow. And if we shoot expandables, we need enough KE to make them fully deploy. But an arrow from a modern bow doesn’t carry enough KE to cause life ending injury to medium and larger sized game animals. It’s a concept I’m still trying to wrap my head around.

I’ll be honest, I’m still blown away by how many people shoot Expandables. I understand that when they first came out they seemed like the greatest thing since sliced bread. I’ll give the devil his due, when they work right they’re great. However, When you start to look at the penetration you get with them (which is less, meaning less likely for a pass-through) and the likelihood of them not deploying properly. It just seems crazy at least to me that people still shoot them. I would also argue that speed matters, especially when shooting beyond 30 yards.

Thank you! Very solid and helpful explanation!

Drop the FMJ and add the weight to the front / Broadhead. I use Easton 6mm Bloodline cut to 29" with 150gr Grizzlystik and 4 fletches total 455gr.

Expanding broadheads are lame . Cut on contact fixed blades with properly tuned arrows that are of effective weight "Adult arrows ".

Very straight forward talking, thank you, reality is great.

If it's a short range proposition and you know this why not shoot 550 plus and also you ain't loosing much on ya pin gaps at 550

400 grains without a head or inserts?

KE is a factor of mass and speed though. You can carry the same KE with heavy slow weight and fast light weight.

I know this video is old but any feedback helps. I’m just getting into bow hunting, shooting a Mathews Creed XS which IBO is 321fps. I’m shooting Easton Aftermath 400 gr. Spine With 100gr. Slicktrick broadhead and (not sure if it matters) a Nockturnal lighted nock. I am BRAND new to bow hunting, and don’t know anything at all about arrow weight/speed/kinetic energy whatsoever, and while I did gain some knowledge through this video, I’d like to know what y’all think of my exact setup.

I wanna see it shot over a chrono, 440gr would have to be traveling 282 to make 77.7 ft lbs of energy and that is hard for me to believe a 55 pound mathews is doing that unless it's a 31 in draw.

Bro around 400 grains with an expandable is not ideal for breaking bone, MAYBE you could get enough penetration through a shoulder if you get lucky but probably not. The best bone breaking setup is at least 500 but closer to 550-650 grains with a tough fixed blade, especially single bevels.

Don't worry about kinetic energy if you look at kinetic energy your dumb look at momentum that's what matters heavier arrows will be slower but won't loose speed as fast carrying more momentum and momentum is what is gonna give you penitration 460 to 530 is a pretty soild range I have found and I'm a 27 in draw 75lbs 29ata matthews v3x and I still get 272 fps with a 507 grn arrow elk moose bear deer that's setup would be great for literally anything my arrows are victory vap ss elite with a 4 fletch left helical 125grn kudu heads 75grn insert/outsert 5in wrap standard knocks and for strings coustom gas gohst xv strings and it's an absolute killer of a setup never have had any issues neither has any animals they haven't made it further than 60 yards but those have all been well placed shots on the animal

Hey man , love the channel . Always good info here . Just wanted to share something with you I got from a highly respected local guy around me...it’s about vane placement. Basically told me when I fletch my arrows to move the vanes back as far as possible. I have done so with great results. He said vanes come factory fletched an inch or more foward on the shaft only because we all use to use fingers and needed room for clearance . Now that 99% of us use release aids this is no longer the case . The best placement for stability is a far back as possible only allowing room for string angle . Give it a try sometime I think u may be impressed with the long range grouping . Anyway...best of luck

I'm not as strong as I used to be so I'm only shooting 72 lbs now, but back in my 30s and 40s I hunted with 82 lbs and was getting just over 88 ft lbs of KE. No, you don't need that much energy for a broadside, stationary deer, but I shoot a lot of deer straight down and often hit the spine. The extra energy helps to punch through that spinal cord.

I'm running Black eagle carnivor 250 spine 30" arrow with 64gr insert in both of my bows. PSE stinger x (65# 30" draw) loves 175gr Grizzlystick Samurai overkill. My Bowtech Amplify (68# 30") draw likes a 200gr broadhead (Cutthroat single bevel). finished arrows are 560gr 18% FOC and 585gr 20.5% FOC. My arrow flight is nearly eye watering if the speed isn't. The one arrow build for both bows I think is a happy place for that arrow. But I'm not complaining.

What kind of arrow scale was that in the video?

What kind of broadheads should I be using I’m at 60 pound draw weight with 275 grain arrows without tips so 375 with 100g and 400 with 125g

What sight is that on your bow?

FMJ's = trash

I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

You should be shooting 70# draw weight with 400 grain arrows brother. If you can pull the poundage then do it because its best to have a pass though instead of sticking the deer and wounding.

Honestly, the biggest thing is using the right spine for the FOC imo and properly tuning your bow, your nocks and your broadheads.

It makes sense, my wife gave me a 60 pound compound bow that I had never fired before, it is even difficult for my son to pull that type of string, I have learned that a 25 pound bow is all of that. He he needs,, Thx for Explaining

I shoot a heavy carbon express maxima red 250 spine arrow with 100 grain broadhead pushing 350 total with 55lb lb draw.

Great last name bud

The improved trajectory from faster speeds only increases range for target shooting. It's never going to be fast enough to keep the deer from potentially dodging arrows past 40 yards. The ability of deer to hear and dodge arrows is the main limitation, not trajectory or lethality.

With a shot execution like that, I can't even listen to anything you're saying

Great advice, and you can never shoot a broad-head that’s to sharp.

I know he probably didn't mean to, but he made it sound like it was okay to shoot a 2-in expandable with only 25-ft lb of energy. That is a recipe for disaster. Anyone shooting a low poundage and low k.e. should be shooting a cut on contact fixed and that is a fact. I shoot 450gr arrow at 280 ft per second with 1.75 in expandables. I don't get anywhere near the penetration that I used to get with my good old muzzies. I am tired of not getting past throughs. I'm dropping down to a 1.5-in sevr this fall. If I don't start getting full pass throughs I'm going back to fixed.

Shot placement is more critical than fps.

how do you tell what the kenetic energy is because i shoot 70lb of 440 grain arrows

Well im at about 5.3gr/in and 334fps with a 32" 70lb draw. Guess I can't kill anything...

EXPANDABLES SUCK