Meanwhile Arthas complains about his Triggers not working in W1.

I wish my life was as carefree to have my biggest problem be auto markers in an online game

Again i rlly don't think Arthars of all people has very little ground to grandstand about any kinda plugin/mods.... devs seeing his dsr clear vod with him using triggers gives him some kinda false ideal hes above being banned or punished?

Xeno should mute his mic audio to stream every once in a while, and keep recording audio, and then give us KZfaq frogs kissies instead of Twitch chat.

oh yeah, im the designated marker for TOP for my static, it was miserable as fuck, i hated that phase with a passion lol. my static was headstrong in not using automarkers which is fine, and yet no one was willing to step up so I as the fucking melee dps had to, which is the problem, it expects you to put the burden on 1-2 players to solve the entire mechanic for the whole group. you wont think p5 sucks if you use AM and are not the person who has to mark people. And when I fk up during p5 during and after the dodges people get upset (understandably cause its late as fk in the fight) but it feels shitty as hell. Mechanic is miserable, with how its designed and how late it is into the fight. P5 is not a good fight design if it heavily pushes all the burden on 1-2 people or on using automarker, especially for randos. Every PF would have to have at least 1-2 players who know how to mark during a shitty phase and that's unrealistic.

What i honestly found the funniest about this whole debacle was Arthars threatening people with going straight to Yoshi-P next fanfest and showing him clips of people using AM. Only one of two things are gonna happen if he really goes through with that. Either he just removes the option to change markers mid-fight Or what i think would be the funniest outcome: He just bans Arthars himself for showing them to him and a patch later he adds AM as an official feature.

For me, use whatever you need, so you don't make my life more miserable in pf.

AM is not too big a deal for me, my only issue with it is how reliant people are on the plugin. i've seen people ask for it in both ucob and dsr for lightning, looking at your debuff isn't difficult

The only reason Arthars mentioned Mare is because of how carefree people throw that shit around in search info or their adventurer plates. The maker of the plugin even said to be discrete about it but everywhere you go you can see people with (Mare Lamentorum) on their character. I don't agree with a lot he said but I can understand where he's coming from since waving around the AM and ML isn't exactly discrete, more like flaunting it, at this point.

Yo Leo, is there a way for you to split Xeno's mic audio from Twitch chat's audio? It would be easier to watch his vods WITHOUT all the crazy sound effects from chat, especially with topics where he's talking in depth about something.

bro aint no way im watching this and youtube rolled up with a gil selling website ad LMAO WTF bro wild shit

Random side note why do we have all these random shity sounds from chat when there is any time there is a discussion about a more serieus topic. Good lord the random meme sounds every 20 seconds is really anoying.

Lmao okay...sorry I couldn't really focus on what Xeems was saying because of all the effects his chat kept spamming to drown him out.

i played in jp and they DO use AM too, they just dont tell in the pf descrip like NA does

So I'm the guy who Arthars is talking to, and I realized what I said was fucking stupid. I was praying that this shit would just blow over and people will forget. But now Xemes did a video showing that discussion, please, I'm sorry, I'm fucking stupid. Please do not flame me. Edit: I lack self confidence, something to work on in the future.

My static did P5 just fine without automarkers, am I better than anyone who used it? Hell no, my raid leader called out the far world and fist baits in sigma and the far world baits in omega (plus someone else called monitor for the first part of omega). There was almost no thought needed from my part and the only thing we got from not using AM was making my raid leader's life worse. I'm a bit biased because I really don't do PF and don't care much about the state of it but I'm never gonna judge anyone for using AM on TOP, it's just not worth the stress.

After everything has been said, it all come down to "Ultimate is for Prestigious, elite people only, not for pebble like you PF"

I haven't done ToP myself, I saw the world race and that was about it. I don't remember what P5 was. I kinda wish that Xeno would explain how the mechanic works and why AM (in PF) is mandatory, at least from his perspective.

It's already out of control with people not being able to do TOP transition, dynamis delta or DSR thunders without a marker over their head. I suppose looking at party list debuff too hard for pf ppl as well. Imho allowing it to exist in the end just lowers the skillset needed to clear the fight. It's not like these mechanics are impossible to do without. But noone even wants to try. When we tried to pf one guy to do our no am wroth strat in DSR people were on most part mocking the strat, laughing or leaving. Or even worse you set a pf to do stuff without AM but some guy will join and still activate it mid fight. Actually insane. And I saw lately it's leaking into the savage fights as well, AM on P9S soon pf standard?

before TOP came out I saw some people complaining how formalized the xiv tradition of partitioning responsibilities by role or light party assignment etc (e.g. each tank gets one of two possible patterns, each healer gets one of two possible patterns, etc). then TOP comes out, themed around priority systems and less guarantees on which role gets what, and the feedback is ”no not like that”

neither a fan or hater of arthars. but isnt his problem is that people are advertising AM so openly in PF instead of AM itself? i thought thats what this whole thing was

My argument for auto markers has always been that it's such a dumb thing to get upset about. You could have one person get really fucking cracked at marking people with mouseover macros, and effectively be an automarker that's capable of making mistakes. You know why I have that stance? *Because that's what I fucking did.* The other 7 people in the raid might as well have had an automarker because me putting signs over people's heads is what told them what to do. I did vocal callouts for sigma and full enemy signs for omega (sans the marks for the tethers in the second round). Functionally, it's no different. The issue isn't automarkers existing. The issue is the fight being designed in such a way that automarker trivializes a phase.

Okay I have to ask. Being a PS player and not an ultimate raider, I don't know the answer. When Xeno asks, "how is one player putting markers over your head different than auto markers?" I can see that, if a player does the mark, it takes them time and brainpower to solve the mechanic. Does automarker also require a person's input time and brainpower? If it solves the mechanic so that nobody has to risk losing a GCD, then I would think that is completely different. But if it marks spots on the map, and each player then has to interpret which marker to go to, then that stilk requires player input and bainpower. But if it marks each player and marks the map so people only need to react to a non-human solved input, then I don't buy into the argument that these two thinfa are the same. Can someone explain what auto markers do and how they affect the solving of the mechanic?

Automarkers suck, I'll agree that things like Dynamis stacks aren't great mechanics, but any take that normalizes them more will just make their usage bleed into everything else. If people feel like it's "accepted", you'll just start seeing automarkers used for random stuff like Lightning debuffs in ults, at which point it even bleeds into the gameplay of people who aren't playing with third party, because it affects everyone in the group. Give third party raiders an inch and they'll just start pushing the envelope more into why the next DBM-level addon they like is "actually just QoL, because X is a bad mechanic".

Arthars generally has horrible takes in regards to 14. I'd be fine if they removed player marking in combat if they adjusted some ultimate mechanics to compensate, either slightly less random (ie. Dynamis stacks), or clearer non-party list markers. Having a prio order is fine, but it shouldn't end up in a situation where you can't develop a reliable strat without some assigned 3rd party decision maker .

Wish the stream sounds would be turned off during these talks lol

if they want people to stop using noclippy/alex, then they should fix the problem in the first place instead of spending their time and energy telling people not to use it, no matter how janky and messed up their coding is. it's their problem as a developer, and it's hindering players. also remember when arthars uses cactbot? ribide ribide? yeah, fucking hypocrite.

idk why people think AM is some kind of automatic totem dispenser bc it's just not. Being in enough pfs with and without AM in the fights that typically use it will clearly tell you

Even the statics that don't use AM, don't have all their players learn a priority system for Sigma and Omega trio and have all 8 players solve it. One gamer who can react quickly will be the one to mark people instead of using a program. THAT person understands the intricacies of the mechanics, the other 7 don't necessarily do just because they cleared without it.

I was talking about this TOP P5 issue with my static a little while ago. I think if they made the Dynamis stacks have a visual effect on your character model it would significantly reduce the need for the automarkers. For example, it could have and aura that is a different color depending on how many stacks a character has, so you could look at your party and at a glance know how many stacks each person has. AM is effectively being used to compensate for FFXIV's user interface not giving the information in a way that's readable fast enough.

I think auto markers are a huge problem. Right now it may not seem so, but as it's usage becomes normalized, it'll start to become the norm and a requirement. See how fucking bloated and absurd WOW raids are nowadays due to people getting more and more used with addons that would trevialize more and more of game mechanics, making the developers run an arms race against addons, where in the end the fights get insanely hard, too complicated, to a point that they're IMPOSSIBLE to play without addons/wakauras. Don't let this kind of shit happen to FFXIV.

I'll be honest, doing gaols without automarkers isn't hard and if automarking gets banned or countermeasured against, the entire raiding community is gonna be absolutely stunned how easy the proper way to do Gaols was the entire time.

What upsets me a bit more is that you dont even need AM for delta with just a few tweaks you wouldnt need it for sigma or omega neither

For my UWU clear in PF, we did manual markers. We designated a player with a number and then made a macro to make that number appear during gaols. So we would see who has the gaols marker, pop that macro, smaller number close to Titan, larger number furthest away. It had a few more steps but got the job done.

I can see where both of Xeems and Arthars is coming from. I don't think Xeno wants 3rd party progrem to go crazy or be normalized. My guess is that Xeno wants the raid to desinged in a way that doesn't require crazy skill or addons

I don't really see why it's important if WF raiders use it or not, it is irrelevant who is using it if your opinion is that it is bad overall. In the case of "WF raiders cheat" - they get caught too - and the developers have reacted in increasing potency each time. Changing the game in TEA, bans in DSR and actual removal of clears in TOP alongside bans. Simply stating that they do it too does nothing to address Arthar's concerns about yoship's statement. It is stated very clearly that if people continue removing the challenge involved by cheating they do not see the point in creating the challenge in the first place. TOP P5 is absoutely bad design on the fight developer's part, adding a few restrictions and patterns around who can receive what buffs/debuffs would make this mechanic both more interesting, learnable and solvable. We are seeing more and more mechanics which are fully random in ultimates, and there is only so much priority systems can handle before they become too complicated to be expected of the raiding part of the playerbase. However, TOP P5's existence isn't an excuse to use AM, it is only a reason, and Arthar's opinion isn't "wrong". The amount of accepted cheating is steadily increasing and it will eventually come to a head.

I think personally, I feel like at the end of the day it really doesn't matter, and you're just defining your own experience. Who uses and doesn't use mods to clear a fight really isn't impacting your personal experience, Imho. However, I do think with some mods like Noclippy, or things that just fix Potions/Sprint, that should just be baseline in the game. There's literally no value to not having them turned on and they just make the game a universally better experience. I've been doing deep dungeon prog, and trying to adapt to my Healing Potions input logic being so different then every other ability after using Redirect for DPS potions/Sprint for so long is the most obnoxious shit to me. Losing 5 hours of progress because xd you pressed your potion 0.2 too soon is just awful design.

Have people cleared TOP in PF without P5 auto markers and not being in discord? I don’t think it’s possible without talking in discord, unless every player has gotten every possible pattern and they know what to do just by looking, highly unlikely though.

If you give combat addons an inch then they will take a mile and the game will become WoW where they are expected, but worse since two whole playerbases can't use them if they wanted to.

lol easy solution is SE implements anti cheat, but probably with the way the game is coded, it would be a huge rewrite which wouldn’t be in budget, plus they’d lose most of the playerbase (character mods).

Arthar's take about needing addons for wow, look at world first prog in wow and see howmany addons are needed to clear a mythic raid 😂

Isn’t Arthur’s party leader the person that rmt to clear for someone on their account and has been banned before but just comes back?

So Xeems is fine with a open note test and not Arthars. Did I get that right?

My group when we got to Titan we got an assigned number. If we had jail the lowest number went to the front and so on. Took a bit to get used to it but it worked.

I'm currently progging TOP, and when we don't have a full static we fill spots using PF. We don't use AM for anything at all, for that p5 mechanic we self-mark, and there is plenty of time to do this in the leadup to when they're needed. Some players we find in PF literally can't do the fight without AM, and it's pretty frustrating. I agree though that the design of some of these mechanics is bad; it's stupid having to look at your debuffs constantly and use that to dictate what you should do, rather than having some visual cue in game. I hate mechanics where there is no visual cue ("just look at debuffs lol"), it's dumb, and I feel like this sort of thing is what pushes people towards using AM. Basically, we're at an impass; the mechanic is fucked, but possible; should we use AM to make it better? I wish AM wasn't the preferred way to do that mechanic, and there are quite a few players in PF who apparently agree, sometimes I come across a group where only one person wants it, or even nobody. I guess I just hope squeenix takes the feedback on board and recognises the problems with the way the mechanic is designed, and how to change their design strategy to make mechanics difficult whilst not also making AM such an easy win that PF defaults to using AM to solve it. I really don't think we should be okay with world-first groups cheating, and we shouldn't justify AM just because world-first groups use them. If we're calling AM cheating and telling PF to stop using AM, then we should apply the same logic to world-first groups, absolutely. Decide if AM is cheating or not and apply the same logic across the board to every player and every group.

I cleared DSR and TOP within a month of release, no AM. DSR is better designed but it's boring. I like TOP a lot but p5 dynamis Omega is really bad and should be never done again. Sigma is a very slow mechanic and you can do it no problem with a simple priority system by role and group. You dont need AM for sigma. Omega is far, far too busy and quick to dicern where you need to go for the first pass. I'm my opinion, the developers should just automark players for responsibilities during fast, complex mechanics. Doing this, you can make players perform more and you can design the mechanics to execute faster whilst getting rid of AMs significance.

Ive done UwU with AM, since thats just how ive learned it, I wasnt told theres other viable options xD In TOP I knew theres other options, but it seemed ass, it felt required and with it it was almost fun Deep down id like the fights to be solveable without that much hassle, like a middle spot between UwU and TOP, so we odnt incorporate thirdparty in too much With the part bout writing it in pf, if I join a pf, id like to know if they use it or not, I was quite upset to have gotten my BLU Clears with a group that used Cactbot. The leader just repeated in vc what Cactpot told him, I thought he just knows and calls it out, it didnt feel earned..if i knew he uses that, I wouldnt have joined

So, I work at a convenience store. Our policy for theft is that we cannot chase the person stealing. We essentially do not move if we see someone doing it. I don't care if people steal from the store, it doesn't hurt my bank account. However, if we do see someone stealing we have to call the police. Ideally, since we can't stop people from stealing, we prefer they do it in a way that we don't see it so I don't have to call the cops and go through all that trouble. I feel the same way about advertising use of mods. Use it if you want, but don't be an ass about it knowing nothing will be done about it.

What I'm sort of 'worried' about is this. They removed the ability to change arena markers because the TEA world first team used a 3th party tool for trines, so what's stopping them from doing the same to overhead markers? To me, it honestly feels like something they would have done years ago. I'm very surprised that they haven't done it yet.

i think arthars main point is that am is a slippery slope now its seen as acceptable behaviour for top pf but what if it does not end there what if one day god forbid it fucking bleeds into savage i know its a meme but theres this video of people using am in p9s limitcut which is dumb af i know but the point is when the day comes where the community is okay with using am for savage and it becomes the norm the majority will opt to join pfs with am in the description and the people who want to do it without and actually learn how to do mechanics are shit out of luck and this game will be like wow i know its hyperbole but it could happen

(Long post warning) I see a lot of people including Xeno say you either use AM or make 1-2 people mark everyone else, but that is not correct. Making 1-2 people have that much responsibility is a bad solution and it's just a bandaid that world proggers came up with in order to prog the fight as fast as possible. Like Xeno said, that would be miserable for those 1-2 people. Instead, you can either do self-mark macro strat, or body language + prio system or mix of both to do TOP p5 with zero voice comms. Debuffs for sigma and omega appear at the very start of the mechanic, and the game gives you enough time to flex to different locations and do lineups to signify the order. There are even ways to assign the dynamis stacks by having people flex positions during delta. The reality is that pf would rather not waste time learning how to do the fight properly, and the talk about "bad design" is a reasoning to justify why they don't want to waste time. After all, who decided that having to read party list debuffs and flexing prios is a bad design in MMOs? Xeno said TOP is a horribly designed fight so many times in the video, but when you look for actual reasoning on why it's a bad design, he names bugs, dps checks, not being fun to prog and 1 person marking everyone else. None of that has anything to do with the actual mechanic in p5 (except for 1 person marking but that's just a bad solution). The point is, "bad design" is arbitrary and often just another way of saying "too hard". For example, from my point of view, having to look at M/F, eye, tether and playstation in party synergy is no different than having to look at party list for debuffs, and having to look at people for body language. Now to be fair, I do think there is one actual bad design in the game, and that is the fact that you cannot hard-fix the party list as a team because you are always at the top. But I never hear reasonings like this when people say "bad design". Case in point, I used to think party synergy is impossibly hard, but now I can do it in a second due to practice. P5 will be exactly the same just like literally anything else in this game, if people only gave it a chance without AM. Except that will increase prog time by several months... and suddenly TOP p5 is bad design. People come to recognise and react to tells and debuffs in this game instantly, but for some reason that is not going to happen in p5? I don't buy that at all. Same thing with learning non-AM strats - people can spreadsheet and memorise their GCDs for the entire fight, but they can't learn a slightly modified strat? There is no way that is true. Saying AMs are virtually mandatory sets a bad precedent. In principle, there is no difference between using AM for TOP p5 and using AM for expert roulette mechanics. It's just based on what the majority thinks "bad design" is. And since AM forces the markers on everyone rather than only appearing on the user's screen, it hard caps the mechanic ceiling for everyone based on AM user's opinion of the fight. In other words, it cheapens the experience for someone else who would rather do the mechanic themselves. Not only that, but I'd argue it also robs the opportunity of the progger to overcome a difficult mechanic. This is not a good way forward for the game overall - it will lead to one person thinking you don't need any markers period, and another thinking you need AMs for every mechanic and they're incompatible because AMs just force markers on everyone. Lastly, if done without AM, TOP is probably the hardest fight in the game. But the entire point of an ultimate is to be the hardest content in the game, an aspirational content. If the community looks at a difficult fight and arbitrarily decides that it's too hard / unfun so making it easier is justified - then what is the point of making difficult fights in the first place? Now to play devil's advocate - I heard that Gordias was too difficult and it killed the raiding scene back in the day. So if we're talking about accessibility, then I could see the argument there. But even in that case, I would argue the healthy solution isn't to dumb the fight down, but to learn better strats as a community and become better players. Encourage players to overcome a mechanic that is too hard in an aspirational content, instead of calling it "bad design" and forcing it to be easier just so they can clear it. To me that is losing a lot of the journey to reach the destination. But obviously all of this is subjective That being said, everything Xeno said in the video last year came true about AM becoming mandatory in pf. But you have to wonder how much of that is a self-fulfilling prophecy. AMs are self-perpetuating. Once people start using them, the more people become reliant on them and the less they know the actual mechanics. And because less people know the mechanics, the more pf will come to rely on AMs. TL;DR fundamentally disagree with Xeno saying you have to use AM or make 1-2 people mark everyone else in p5. But it's all subjective and he is right about many things too

Dude has been going absolute HAM on twitter recently. Like comparing Mare to boss triggers.... lol, lmao even.

What is auto marker tho? I thought marker is in the game as feature the help player but what is auto marker? Is the one that people put on the raid to help with the mechanics?

If people couldn’t clear it because they weren’t using third party tools, the devs would have to fix the encounters. Justifying third party is how you get retail WoW.

Unless it’s a competition with some form of reward I 100% couldn’t care less what add-one you use if the groups fine with it. People buy clears so I genuinely don’t see outside of personal accomplishment why it matters.

I dont agree with Xeno about this being wrong when company ban someone for using something what is not allowed and then added to the game, it's not wrong for banning players for using something what is not allowed but the same time adding it to the game because it would be helpful for players. What will happen if squarenix would not ban those players would give wave of another players openly using mods what are clearly wrong and harmful to the game, crying why they get banned when other person don't.

Titan gaols is doable without AM. It is also failable even with AM. It's one of the most stupidly designed mechanics in the game. I'd rather they fix the mechanic than ban AM.

28:45 theres actually a "Tactic" in WoW for the naxxramas raid similar to this strat. during the "Heigan the unclean" fight. known as "The Safety Dance" at the start of the fight you'd ask your raid "Who knows how to dance?" and the guys who say no you get them to just stand outside the boss fight and not even participate.. eventually getting killed by the bosses Damage. whilst players who do know "How to dance" fight the boss. the dance is litterally just avoiding aoe damage in a pattern but requires pretty quick movement.

So how many people here have taken the time to read about the logic behind Dynamis Sigma and Omega? It's not hard to understand but I'm willing to bet a vast majority of the players here haven't even tried solely because AM exists. There's no way anyone's gonna convince me otherwise. The mechanics suck in that they lack visual clarity (looking at a debuff bar when you want to look at the fight absolutely sucks and this applies to Wroth Flames too), I'm not arguing that. But there's a pretty big difference between understanding the mechanic even if it's only 1 person or 2 marking other players, and entirely removing the mental stack by turning the mechanic into basically fixed positions based off the marker on your head that's placed automatically.

Perhaps the only devs that 'test' the fights should be ones that didn't work on the fight, don't know the mechanics and play as many different jobs as possible across 2 or 3 groups without voice chat, to test if it is doable by strangers in PF.

Good take. I really don’t like automarkers, but it is incredibly predictable what type of mechanic they end up getting required for by pfs, so getting rid of them is as simple as not putting that type of mechanic in fights.

Arthars is the king of bad takes. Hes always saying some dumb shit on stream. Guys such a hypocrite too, he uses triggers and when he was using that dumbass collar soundbar thing, you could literally hear it coming through his mic lmao.

Xeno, on Crystal people clear Titan Gaols in PF without markers and the way they do it is super simple. They just assign a 1-8 marker for each person. If you get gaol, hit your macro. Then line up in order after the 3 people hit their macro. It works really well. So if AM gets removed Gaols will be just fine. Unless they remove the ability to place player markers in combat.

That is exactly how I felt. That TOP became genuinely enjoyable due to AM. I would've cleared the fight 10x+ less if it wouldn't be for AM. It was very fun to clear and help people clear on patch in PF. From so many statics I've been it, there always seem to be a real hate for PF or pf players almost to absurd levels. So I guess a lot of hate also comes from here. Noone can convince me that TOP is "easier" with AM than it is in a static in discord with voice. I've 10 clears with my static. So if you think so better bring some real argument besides "you bad".

players call am cheating then go use raid sim lmao. remember SE was going to put a "practice a phase" in back in the day, the community hated it and they decided it would trivialize the fight and not the intended way to learn the fight so they decided not to. whatever play how you want work smarter not harder, no one gonna look back on their death bed and be like yeah i rocked it in ffxiv, who cares enjoy things how you want

(Random ppl mention AM) Arthurs *Proceeds to make a 10 hour documentary to try and get a point across* lmao XD

This is just a question for sorting out my own thoughts on the issue, do the devs count screen capture stuff as third party? A few times xeno says that the devs intended the fight to be doable without third party, and I'm just wondering if screen recording counts as third party for that intention.

It’s not about cheating or not cheating to some people. It’s only about disobeying SE or not. Calling no clippy or alex cheats it’s just plain stupid.

Not sure how you can consider it a cheat when its only purpose is to fix an issue from the game If one guy has 200 ping and another 20 and both use Alex, well the 200 ping guy should create a character on the correct data center, and the 20 ping guy... why is he even using Alex ? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me And some people would say, that someone using Alex has an unfair advantage compared to someone who doesn't, and yes, it does But if we go this far, then i've see some guy in the comment section of another video, playing devil advocate, saying that technicaly, using discord to be in VC with your team mates is technically illegal, because it's a 3rd party tool that provides an unfair advantage, so it's just quite ridiculous to use the " unfair " advantage as an argument Again, it's just to fix an issue from the game If your ping is too high, then it will allow you to play at the same level as the other player, and if you're connection is great like mine (15 pings overall on any game ), then it legit doesn't change anything, i've tried it and can't tell the difference, how is that cheating.

Me and my friends recently pfed dsr, no one had AM, so we just manually marked the stacks, used our eyes in wroth and we actually got prog, it’s perfectly doable without AM and it’s not even hard

The mechanics like Classical that give you the shapes above your head are basically the same thing as AM except they made it apart of the mechanic. Good design chouce for making priorities imo

I am one of those people that use QoL mods, I don't use anything that I personally feel is cheating. The most important one for me by far is the text to speech mod. It is such a small thing but it meant I can actually "read" all the yellow quests in the game. Yeah I know that seems stupid to do but it brings me joy just having this content that a small percentage of the playerbase does and engaging with it and that wouldn't happen without text to speech. That mod also allowed me to tell my girlfriend the stories of the area because she skipped through them without reading because she's a console player and wanted the icons gone which if she was Pc she could get rid of with a QoL mod instead of spending hours doing them.

In my opinion cactbot and AM should be mandatory for any party finder user, in fact most people already use this crap and grief all the time, imagine if they removed add ons, no one would ever clear anything in pf.

What's the JP strat for UwU Xeno is talking about at 8:37? Can't find anything about it.

I'll always be against any AM or anything like that not cuz i care about what others use but as it gets more popular it's expected of me to use them too. Get these in the game if they are supposed to be there or block them entirely if they are not to be in the game. I don't want to risk my PC by installing something a random guy somewhere made.

Idk how integrated the square staff are with their content creators, but jagex does a pretty decent job of listening to the community thru their content creators. Maybe they’ll try the same. Maybe they integrate the mods into the game so players don’t have to get banned. Who knows. I just know the games come along way from when i started and it’s beautiful

Those goddamn stream sounds are miserable.

As someone who doesn’t do ultimate. From the outside looking in, if the community continues to use 3rd party tools to complete fights that are difficult to the point of no enjoyment, then won’t the developers just never fix it? I’m not arguing against or for 3rd party tools honestly it doesn’t matter to me but just to throw it out there if people use 3rd party tools to make a fight easier arent you just solidifying that type of difficulty? Why would they make anything easier or give it QOL changes if people are still beating it?

You have a wow problem here where mods are being forced on other people because it makes shit better/easier and the fact that FF mods are unregulated means they can be so much more powerful that anything in WoW. If anyone just decides to put effort into it

You've gotta find a better example than JP strats for UWU. Sac strats have existed as an option in raiding content for decades, it's just one of the first times we've seen it employed in 14 in a large fashion. Not liking a strat isn't the same as cheating. Sac strats are something we see employed in every RWF in WoW as an example. That's a massive false equivalency.

The heavy reliance on debuffs we saw in TOP was absolutely horrendous. I get that it is "possible" to solve the P5 debuffs without AM, but it's just not a fun mechanic. Take away those debuffs and what do you have? A relatively difficult tether and bait phase with Delta, some near and far glitch solves with Sigma, and two predation dodges with Omega. This isn't terrible, but it's not an engaging phase. I want more of P6. Do that. Challenge my mit rotation on tank. Push my healing output on healer. Test my positioning knowledge on dps. And this is completely ignoring the problem that my co-tank and I had in TOP, that being both of us are partially blind. My eyes take a long time to focus compared to most other people and things tend to blend. I can't tell near and far world apart at a glance, let alone tell if I have the short or long one on omega. Devs keep using tiny tells like the slight glow on Hrae and Nidd TBs in DSR, or the terrible quotes in UCOB Nael that make the fights inaccessible. DSR and TEA are amazing fights with massive moving parts, tough and tight mechanics, and in the case of DSR, real knowledge of how your class works. Hopefully the devs are watching what's going on and design future fights with these things in mind.

Ult was never meant to be cleared in PF, people cheat in PF which makes it clearable but without the cheats it would be extremely rare for people not geting carried to clear ult, ive yet to hear of any random 8 people doing ult without addons or even with addons

p5 is easier than party synergy, progging party synergy is actually worse than progging p5 with AM

What I've learned about FF14 is the only way to win is cheat. PvP, gil making/farming, crafting, PvE, tool assisted clears, zoom, auto markers, chocobo racing, LoV, MGP farming in general.

i think the reason that glam mods are banable just like other mods is because someone could turn their character into another games character or use assets from another game and if it gets out the company that actually owns the rights to it could sue SE and the other mods are mostly considered cheating because they make things easier than its currently suppose to be, even tiny, its still an advantage over others that dont have it, at that rate we should all be using bots because farming mats isnt fair to those who dont like doing it.

If automarkers got banned, people might have to communicate with each other in a mmo and that's against TOS

Why doesn't ff14 just take a page out of warframes book and integrate mods through the steam workshop so they can curate what they want in the game?

I cant agree with you on this one. Havent done TOP yet in PF, but giving UWU as an example is plain wrong. There aren´t only two options to do Gaols. Many parties without automarkers just set a list of priorities where good players can manage to do it correctly >80% of times. Of course is convinient to have AM... it is also convinient to have any other plugin I would guess... but it doesnt mean that it is mandatory. Poor design? maybe. But it is definitely doable with a standard strategy (UAR for example) as long as everyone is aligned and players are good enough. Ultimate content is not for everyone. Saying "everyone should be able to do it" is wrong. A better statement would be "Everyone who is invested enough and practice enough should be able to do it."

21:35 About shout out to the mods If I were in the shoes of SE, that would be a stupid idea because "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you" It will be like an act of admission of mods making the game better than them and will make the players to demand more aggressively the implementation of mods ingame not just hoping the mod will become first party tool.

P5 actually isn't that bad. Near world is small triangle. Far is line (delta its a big triangle). Problem with top is the flexing and the dps checks. The am helps with monitors in omega and sends the other for far. DSR always uses am for wroth. Haven't seen it cleared without UWU always uses. Also if you pf, why do I never see you.... hiding as alt 🤔

Saw this while twitter drama going down earlier, and the amount of people who arejust jumpiung the bandwagon on this is insane. legit people screaming that people using a beard mod should be perma banned

Then ther'es me over here admitting that i'm not the kind of player that's got the stamina to CONSISTENTLY do the hard content, but admires everyone for doing it anyways. If Automarker is a grey area tool that isn't really damaging anything -- and it's not really "CHEATING" as more just automating something a little more - idgaf, xD But hey, what do i know xD i got 2-3 months worth of post EW content to finish because i never remembered to finish it because i got busy XD

to be fair i cleared UwU with AM because there was no single party that wasn't using it on PF so i was forced upon it but neither i cared to much idk..., cleared TEA without using AM. had fun in both fights

I personally think any 3rd party that affects other people's gameplay either in a good or a bad way shouldnt be in the game. Also one's that give you an advantage in a group type of setting. the only exception to this is voice chat

OMG YOU'RE GOING TO HALLOWEEN HORROR NIGHTS NOW TOO!? HELL YEAH~!!! I went to the one in Hollywood, California back in 2019 with the RIP Tour Ticket (HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT, YOU SKIP ALL THE LINES AND WAIT TIMES, NO LOSER POV KEKW) and it was a blast!! I wanted to go again this past year when they announced adding 'The Last of Us' haunted house but it was too short notice for me. Either way I'm stoked and jealous at the same time cuz I haven't been to the Florida location for Universal yet and wanna go hella bad now since you posted the video on it! Hope you have a ton of fun there my liege! NOCRINGE P.S. Plz strum it! If not I hope Arthars does if he ends up going. 👀

he should turn off redeems during serious reacts cause its annoying as fuck

The only thing SE would do to combat Auto Markers is to prevent marking during combat. The exact same reason we can't place way markers during combat now.

Usually the game marks your character in some way to solve mechanics, even number from 1 to 8, if the game doesn't give you this information by default there is a problem in the bossfight.

For fuck's sake, the game itself gives you Auto markers for Hello World towers

I think I'll disagree with your stance on automarkers, but I just generally don't like 3rd party tools in general and communicate that with my pf/static as raid lead for parties beforehand. Probably old school thinking, but if it could be considered cheating, it takes away from my own personal satisfaction in clearing. On the same token though, I respect the mechanics and expect people to learn multiple peoples jobs, so we typically aren't cheesing mechanics either.