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Quick draw=john 1911 John marston negs fodder morgan

@@lukinhaszebr5163 ok, but Arthur wins extreme diff and I forgot the combat, it goes to Arthur

​@@lukinhaszebr5163john marston fandogs 😂😂 shut hell up

@@gergonyiri8757 Anything H2H related goes to Arthur easily. He's both a brawler and technical fighter (is able to do counter attacks, use the environment to his advantage, he also is able to do enough AP/DC to cause brain damage) while John is a lightweight slugger, which just does not match... TL;DR: Arthur wins in fist fight, John wins in gunfight. Legendary gunslinger missions are easily debunkable too. But anything related to guns (Dueling, Gunfighting) goes to John. Both in cutscenes and gameplay, he draws faster than Arthur. He was also able to shoot 3 people without them noticing until it was too late, and that was before Landon Ricketts training. Arthur however, is only able to shoot up to 3-4 people with deadeye in gameplay. Another proof of why John is better at gunfighting is the fact that he was able to shoot 2 people before getting the army treatment. However, the army was already pointing their gun, while John still had it in his holster. John also intentionally lost, as he knew his family would get hunted down if he survived. Those last shots were more for the player than for John. The legendary gunslinger missions are also not good proof, as stranger missions can be easily debunked to be non-canon. Midnight and Black Belle also said that Jim Boy Calloway is all talk, but how? He has the fastest draw in the game. Which brings me to a probable theory. You know how Deadeye can slow down time, but that Arthur/John actually doesn't, and its just a perspective? This brings me to the point where Calloway blinding Arthur by using his buckle actually interferes with Arthur's perception, giving the illusion that Calloway is faster than he actually is. Same reason why John couldn't initially use Deadeye against Micah. Micah was simply too fast, and in John's perspective, he was just slow. In my opinion: Strength: Arthur (Was able to fight off a grizzly bear with a knife, give Tommy brain damage and was known as the muscle of the group) Speed: = (Only counting Reaction Speed and Combat speed, John gets Reaction Speed and Arthur gets Combat speed. John gets Combat Speed if its a gunfight though.) Durability: John (Survived getting shot with 21 bullets for a solid 30 seconds) Skill: John (Landon Ricketts training) IQ: = (Both good in their own ways, as Arthur is a charismatic person, and John was able to track down the gang members fairly easily.) BIQ: John (Same reason for skill) Stamina: John (Self explanatory, inf stamina.) Endurance: John (Got shot off a train, rolled down a hill, went back to the gang. Durability feats also count.) Experience: John (Self Explanatory) Combat: Arthur (Has better H2H combat) Weapons: John (1911>1899) Hax: = (Both are basically superhumans) Abilities: = (Both are superhumans) Agility: John (Is able to roll) Accuracy: Arthur (Debatable, but Arthur has more experience in sharpshooting.) Draw speed, but not including deadeye since deadeye slows down time based on fps: John (Self explanatory, just play RDR1) H2H = Arthur Low-Mid diff. Only reason its not no diff is due to John's endurance and durability. Gunfight = John High diff. More overall feats. Duel = John High-Extreme diff. Very close.

I would say Lifting strength to both, but Physical strength goes to Arthur. Arthur seems to have done some serious brain damage to Tommy in a fight literally in the first mission in the new town.

@@soapmactavish938 That would be striking strenght

Nah arthur is the strongest only charles is stronger

Nah