Ashley, please could you review our illegal bicycle?

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Ashley Neal

Ashley Neal

4 ай бұрын

Quite an unusual bike review, but I don't want you to waste your hard and money on something that would be illegal to use on UK roads.
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@fluffyfetlocks
@fluffyfetlocks 4 ай бұрын
"yes our bike is illegal, but if you keep your eyes peeled for police, you can pretend you're not breaking the law"
@azulleth9401
@azulleth9401 4 ай бұрын
This reminds me off when some people on moterbikes go to many lengths to hide their number plate from speed camera's and the police.
@veritasaequitas9875
@veritasaequitas9875 4 ай бұрын
The bike is legal. If you register, tax and insure it. And wear a helmet when riding it. Exactly the same as a car.
@mikeembe1261
@mikeembe1261 4 ай бұрын
Gun makers use the same defence, that they don't pull the trigger ... 🤔
@veritasaequitas9875
@veritasaequitas9875 4 ай бұрын
@@mikeembe1261 Oh really? I always thought they did. What about you?
@johnscott4493
@johnscott4493 4 ай бұрын
​@@azulleth9401I promise I'm not one of them 😂
@ianmason.
@ianmason. 4 ай бұрын
On the weight limit: The weight limits were imposed by paragraph 4(a) of The Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles Regulations 1983. That paragraph was removed completely by paragraph 2 (4)(a) of The Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles (Amendment) Regulations 2015 so _there are now _*_no_*_ weight limits_ for EAPCs.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 4 ай бұрын
They had to do that because bigger cargo bikes would've been classed as illegal before.
@TigerFris
@TigerFris 4 ай бұрын
Hello Engwe? Ive just injured someone Engwe: according to the experience of some of our users; providing you hide the body when the police come around, you'll be ok. Thanks Engwe!
@moonshinepz
@moonshinepz 4 ай бұрын
😆
@veritasaequitas9875
@veritasaequitas9875 4 ай бұрын
This bike needs to be taxed and insured. Do that and there's no problem.
@Julmaa87
@Julmaa87 4 ай бұрын
How did this injury become a death?
@moonshinepz
@moonshinepz 4 ай бұрын
@@Julmaa87 old age waiting for a UK ambulance?
@neilp1885
@neilp1885 4 ай бұрын
@@veritasaequitas9875 would it need to be inspected and approved first? Also registered and licensed (vehicle) with the licence number plate on the bike? And would the rider need to have a driving licence with the appropriate category, possibly P (AM max speed is 28 mph, P is over 28 but less than 31 mph) and if it's provisional then would they also need to have a valid CBT certificate and display L plates (or D in Wales)?
@anto687
@anto687 4 ай бұрын
"When driving your car and you encounter the police, just slow down to the speed limit. After that point you can speed up" - Erin in their next role as a Driving Instructor
@ChlorophilG
@ChlorophilG 4 ай бұрын
Shockingly thats quite close to the truth on UK roads.
@Highvoltagedelivery
@Highvoltagedelivery 4 ай бұрын
That’s how most cars drive till they see a speed camera 🙄
@PatrickSwayzeOnDbol
@PatrickSwayzeOnDbol 4 ай бұрын
I assume you've never ridden or driven on the road.......... everyone slows down for the Police!
@grahamwaddell4503
@grahamwaddell4503 4 ай бұрын
On your high horse there a little bit, we know that speed kills . If by chance you are traveling at 32 mph and approaching a speed camera would you slow down or maintain the same speed knowing you had the opportunity to watch your speed but go through at 32 because you are guilty of speeding
@Tillyard86
@Tillyard86 4 ай бұрын
@@grahamwaddell4503 the point is the company is encouraging that kind of behaviour.
@ollieflj
@ollieflj 4 ай бұрын
I think some people believe "off road use" means the pavement
@WhiteDieselShed
@WhiteDieselShed 4 ай бұрын
The company will probably tell you to do a runner if the police try and stop you... :)
@derekheeps1244
@derekheeps1244 4 ай бұрын
depends which pavement ; if not part of a highway , it may not be .
@Teguvas
@Teguvas 2 ай бұрын
Off road is also supermarket car parks, good excuses for 4x4's
@PalladinPoker
@PalladinPoker 4 ай бұрын
I can't believe an actual company recommended acting differently around the police as a solution to an illegal use of their product. The company could get in criminal trouble for that.
@kiljaeden7663
@kiljaeden7663 4 ай бұрын
Not could. Should. Abetting is a crime.
@Bullsquid592
@Bullsquid592 4 ай бұрын
Hopefully Ashley has made it easy enough for them 😉
@MrHennoGarvie
@MrHennoGarvie 4 ай бұрын
Oh no! What will happen! Oh wait the only real damage would be to the actual user of the bike. Fuckers like you lot in this comment section is partly why everything is more expensive these days. Constant over reaching regulations. This is a bike, the damage it can do it minimal. It just seems like peak middle class, nothing to do complaining.
@DemiGod..
@DemiGod.. 4 ай бұрын
They freely admit they are breaking the law but not worried. They know something we don't.
@MrTuts4life
@MrTuts4life 4 ай бұрын
@@DemiGod..manufacturing a bike like this is fine, it could be used on private property, the owner of the bike is the one to be worried if they’re using it on public roads
@OldSkoolLover1996
@OldSkoolLover1996 4 ай бұрын
That they suggest you turn the electric mode off, so you won't get in trouble with the police 'where the police are present' is a disgrace. Good on you for keeping yourself and your license safe! Cheers
@dan8ch523
@dan8ch523 4 ай бұрын
As well as the "slapped on" look of the sticker itself, it also has misspellings and the company contact email is a gmail account. Those would be warning signs to me. Indicators to the manufacturers attitude toward level of quality, regulations, safety requirements, etc.
@TestGearJunkie.
@TestGearJunkie. 4 ай бұрын
Made in China is the real giveaway.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
@@TestGearJunkie. Nearly everything is made in China.
@TestGearJunkie.
@TestGearJunkie. 4 ай бұрын
@@dtz1000Sadly, you're right. This country used to be the workshop of the world, now look at us ☹ When nobody else in the world is making things, China will jack up the prices tenfold and we'll all be royally screwed 🤬
@Matmamtmamtmamtmamtm
@Matmamtmamtmamtmamtm 4 ай бұрын
"Can you confirm the top speed of the bike?" "Yeah, it's illegal, l00l"
@azulleth9401
@azulleth9401 4 ай бұрын
I think it stated it can go up to 31mph what scares/concerns me more is a lot of private Escooters go much faster than that
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 4 ай бұрын
​@@azulleth9401well that is the speed of the wheel when not loaded. In practice it's probably tapering off in the 20s. Though even a swytch bike kit does 20 assist.
@markwright3161
@markwright3161 Ай бұрын
I don't think Ashley even asked about the speed, they just presented it there like that. 'You present 2 concerns for how it might be illegal, here's a third for you for free' :)
@markwright3161
@markwright3161 Ай бұрын
@@TimpBizkit But it's also electric and pretty high power for what it is, so a lot of torque. Torque means it could potentially still hit top speed even 2 up. It seems to be electronically limited to 50 km/h, so it isn't the same as the top speed of a weak petrol engined car reaching the limits via air resistance, gearing, gradient of the road, loading of the vehicle, etc. Many German cars limited to 155 mph can easily climb to that speed even with multiple passengers, uphill, into the wind, etc. Some have options to raise the limit to 174 mph, and that's still an electronic limit on what the car can do, so loading the car up with extra weight, etc won't dampen the performance by much, so I think this bike could still do 31 mph with a rider or even a passenger too. You won't get there as fast as when free spinning the wheel obviously, but you'll still get up there easily.
@ZOIDGARTH
@ZOIDGARTH 4 ай бұрын
Wow. They're actually brazenly ignoring the regulations and they seem proud about it. They also seem a bit stupid admitting it in emails. Just to add, if they're willing to ignore one set of regulations, you can be sure they'll be willing to ignore others. The bike could be a deathtrap.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
They are not selling it as a legal ebike. If you want one of their legal ebikes then buy the Engwe engine X. Simple.
@user-mv5zt8qd9l
@user-mv5zt8qd9l 4 ай бұрын
​​@dtz1000 Except they do very strongly infer that this is a product intended for the road when they advise people on how to dodge prosecution while using it in public. That's an acknowledgement of how the vehicle will be used by the average consumer, and Engwe's response was to aid people in hiding the illegality instead of doing the correct thing and telling people that the product is not road legal. That implicates them in unlawful use of the bike.
@Tillyard86
@Tillyard86 4 ай бұрын
@@dtz1000so you have to buy something else just for it to be legal!?
@MrPlasma01
@MrPlasma01 4 ай бұрын
No different from all and every one in this country well done Engwe ill have two.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
​@@Tillyard86 Just buy a different ebike from them if you want a legal one. They sell both types.
@stuartjohnston1086
@stuartjohnston1086 4 ай бұрын
Technically I don't think you can even push this about the streets. As you correctly state, outside the assisted pedal cycle regulations, this becomes a moped. On a public street, even if not being driven, it would require tax, mot and insurance.
@jhferu
@jhferu 4 ай бұрын
Not really, it's outside the moped regulations too, also probably outside the motorcycle regulations. I think the only way to accurately describe it is as an off road motorcycle
@jhferu
@jhferu 4 ай бұрын
"it would require tax, mot and insurance" As it is brand new, it wouldn't need an MOT - however, it would require a vehicle licence and VED, but that would only be possible if it conformed to type approval. I wouldn't suggest buying one in the hope that you can make it road legal, because that's never going to happen.
@stuartjohnston1086
@stuartjohnston1086 4 ай бұрын
@@jhferuGood point about the MOT
@susiejones3634
@susiejones3634 4 ай бұрын
That email reply from them was a bit of a shocker! 😮
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
Not really. Anyone with any sense will know this ebike is not legal as they are not misleading anyone about it on their website.
@Tillyard86
@Tillyard86 4 ай бұрын
@@dtz1000no one said they were misleading anyone, just shocking that they would expect people to just ignore the fact it’s illegal.
@user-mv5zt8qd9l
@user-mv5zt8qd9l 4 ай бұрын
​@@dtz1000 But they're putting out advice to use it anyway and hide the illegality from the police.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
​@@user-mv5zt8qd9l Only to Ashley in a private, now public, email.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
@@Tillyard86 Many people do ignore the ebike laws because of how stupid they are.
@RichardWinskill
@RichardWinskill 4 ай бұрын
"Do you know your bike is illegal?" "Oh yes! Just make sure you pedal past any police"
@ddturnerphd
@ddturnerphd 4 ай бұрын
Insightful and thoroughly in keeping with this top-notch channel's area of expertise. Thank you.
@user-gd1vr1fx8o
@user-gd1vr1fx8o 4 ай бұрын
As a kid, I used to push my dirt bike a short distance along the road/pavement to the field where I rode it. I got cautioned by the police for having an unregistered, uninsured motor vehicle on the public highway once, but was told that if I disconnected the spark plug It would be okay. I assume Ashley must have disconnected the battery in this instance.
@nigelcox1451
@nigelcox1451 4 ай бұрын
I think the advice about disconnecting the spark plug is wrong. A bicycle is a strange category, that is only a vehicle when being ridden. When being pushed or carried, it effectively becomes 'luggage'. A motor vehicle, like the dirt bike, remains a vehicle at all times, whether functional or not, so even with the engine removed, would still need to comply with regulations, even if pushed. A week before a friend's 17th birthday, (early 70's) he bought a scooter. Together we pushed it home, about a mile, mostly on back streets. Got warned by a policeman about the illegality, but he appreciated that we had no intention of riding it, and were, at that point about 50 yards from destination. Might get away with it if the bike was carried, which might be a struggle for most of us, and you cannot put it down until you reach private property.
@virtualspokespeople4066
@virtualspokespeople4066 4 ай бұрын
@@nigelcox1451 When I was a kid, I had a scrambling bike, well, a stripped down road bike, and I used to wheel it about 2 miles to the track every Sunday. I made a small "trolley" with casters to strap under the rear wheel. I assumed that was legal. Never got stopped for it but then I probably never got seen with it so I don't know if it was legal or not.
@nigelcox1451
@nigelcox1451 4 ай бұрын
@@virtualspokespeople4066 A trolley under both wheels would mean it was no longer a vehicle on a road. The trolley would have to be assessed as to whether that was a vehicle, but if hand propelled, probably the same as a sack trolley. A trolley under one wheel will probably cause a policeman to get brain fade. Seems like a great idea, if only to confuse the poor souls.
@virtualspokespeople4066
@virtualspokespeople4066 4 ай бұрын
@@nigelcox1451 It was just a piece of wood with castors under the back wheel. I don't think I was ever seen so it was never put to the test.
@nickwinn7812
@nickwinn7812 4 ай бұрын
This isn't a bicycle - it's a motor vehicle.@@nigelcox1451
@lordbungle6235
@lordbungle6235 4 ай бұрын
I wasn't shocked by their reply (shocker), It's the same with the electric scooters, They are illegal for road use (With the exception of the trials going on in various areas and even then Privately owned ones are illegal) Yet you can buy them all over the place. When questioned the reply will be "We sell them expecting you to check to see if they are legal in your jurisdiction." Or "We sell them for use on private land." meanwhile your bank account is down a large amount of money and you have an item that you probably won't be able to use.
@TheEulerID
@TheEulerID 4 ай бұрын
I know somebody who hired an electric scooter in Spain whilst on holiday and had an accident. She hit her head and suffered severed brain injury and had to be put into an induced coma and was in hospital for weeks. When repatriated, her brain injury was found to be permanent, and she will require 24 hour care for the rest of her life. Personally I think escooters and inherently dangerous, especially when ridden without a helmet. The small wheels mean that they are liable to tip over if a kerb or a large pothole is hit. That is much less likely with a bicycle due to the larger wheels being able to roll over a lot of obstacles. In addition, the brakes on a scooter are inherently worse due to the high centre of gravity which, when combined with the small wheels, means that it's much more likely that the whole thing will tip forwards.
@garryk6853
@garryk6853 4 ай бұрын
Ashley, the regulations as written are complex but the headline requirements are simple. The ones that don't understand them are the ones that don't want to. That's not an electrically assisted legal cycle. In law, that's a motor cycle. Absolutely crazy that they asked you to review it!
@dionspot
@dionspot 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely crazy that they asked you to review it! - absolutely crazy that he said he would review it! 😲
@TestGearJunkie.
@TestGearJunkie. 4 ай бұрын
What are you going to do with it now, Ashley..? I presume they didn't donate it, so they'll presumably want it back..?
@gordonpullan8336
@gordonpullan8336 4 ай бұрын
Brilliant review, well done. From my completely unscientific observation the majority of ebikes on public roads are illegal (high power, no speed limiter, throttle), but there is no action from the authorities to do anything about it.
@chrishoddinott5450
@chrishoddinott5450 4 ай бұрын
I am not sure that is right. I see a lot of ebikes whilst riding my unpowered bike. Many of them are very hard to tell from an unpowered bike and it tends to be the heavy bikes like this one you notice more. you may have passed hundreds of legal ebikes and not even known about it.
@alanfairbrother890
@alanfairbrother890 4 ай бұрын
There are EPAB sold with the limiter set to 15mph. But if you hold this button and that button down for x seconds, you can unlock them.
@Flakey101
@Flakey101 4 ай бұрын
It is really hard to do much about them. Even I a 55 year old man could lose 1 or 2 police cars in many parts of my city with these bikes.. To really catch them you need drone survailence and a number of support cars. It is impractical to do it to chase singeltons, but it has been done to find out the addresses of the people involved in rides of over 20 people. The regulations concerning imports are the area that need targetting, and forcing companies that sell s pedelecs to pre register and number plate them at the DVLA.
@ThatGoth
@ThatGoth 4 ай бұрын
As someone who has been riding a legal E-Bike for over a decade your "unscientific observation" completely matches my Educated Observations... I'd say a maximum of 10% of pedestrian E-Bikes I've seen are legal (usually the small ones) and about 0.01% of food delivery bikes are legal (they even post videos of them clearly in breach on KZfaq).
@AdamBuckley1964
@AdamBuckley1964 4 ай бұрын
I'm guessing when the police have fully sorted knife crime and people saying things that upset people in Faecesbook they will get around to eBikes?
@ModProjects4306
@ModProjects4306 4 ай бұрын
My new hero. Well done Ashley. Sadly Engwe doesn’t give a monkeys. Snapped frames, injuries galore … not one recall. Engwe are proof that you can’t die of embarrassment … furthermore for a Chinese smash and grab business model you should try their customer support. It’s abysmal at best. Thank you for giving me back the faith that some people aren’t in this for the free bikes and a few sheckles.
@virtualspokespeople4066
@virtualspokespeople4066 4 ай бұрын
I had a bike, similar to this, the frame snapped where it folded, it was only made of cast iron, load of Chinese rubbish. It's still in my shed because I feel the parts are too good to dump, I was going to transfer them onto a standard bike but I don't know now.
@RHauto
@RHauto 4 ай бұрын
"Hi Ashley, can you put your reputation on the line and risk your professional career to review our bicycle please?" lol
@SIX622
@SIX622 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for making me aware of this. Although I don’t cycle, I have family members who do and may be interested in this. Also, that email response was alarming and would most likely have been better off not responding at all.
@chrisdevine4848
@chrisdevine4848 4 ай бұрын
Just to mention that there is one existing exemption re throttles, in that if you bought you Ebike in the early days (pre 2010-ish), the throttle can take you all the way up to 15.5. I've still got mine... And in spite of the battery being probably half the capacity it was new, still my favourite bike to ride.
@TheAegisClaw
@TheAegisClaw 4 ай бұрын
Yes, although then you're restricted to 200w power, those are the old rules for vehicles like the Sinclair C5 and some bikes are grandfathered in by them.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 4 ай бұрын
It's 2016 or before
@MrTaffynoel
@MrTaffynoel 4 ай бұрын
Great work Ashley. The integrity to put out an honest review, as sought, not holding back, and quite rightly so. Imagine a world with regulated licensed drivers in MOT tested and insured cars being restricted to 20mph in welsh towns and overtaken by a 30+ mph off the shelf e-bike down the pavement. Oh wait… Finally, The editorial decision to have a video solely pushing the uncompliant bike is genius!
@brantnuttall
@brantnuttall 4 ай бұрын
Drug dealers, we've found your perfect vehicle!
@seananglish3320
@seananglish3320 4 ай бұрын
No escooters are better. More nimble for allyways
@garymoores9248
@garymoores9248 4 ай бұрын
as well as uber eats/just eat/deliveroo
@TheMuddatrucker
@TheMuddatrucker 4 ай бұрын
Drug dealers use the motocross type called Surrons
@Drenwickification
@Drenwickification 4 ай бұрын
@@seananglish3320also much easier to fall off
@HPsawus
@HPsawus 4 ай бұрын
The trustworthy Toyota Yaris hasn’t fallen out of fashion where I’m from
@Strider9655
@Strider9655 4 ай бұрын
IMO, the regulations exist for two reasons: 1) to stop people having access to cheap environmentally friendly transportation, which provides a viable alternative to cars. 2) like many other regulations, it creates loopholes whereby if you do something the Police don't like, they've got a pretty good change of finding a reason to charge you with an offense. The extent to which the media will go to, to paint e-bikes in a bad light, suggests there is funding for that coming from somewhere.
@MonkeyBurrito
@MonkeyBurrito 4 ай бұрын
Finally a sensible reply. It's so wild how so many people will hate on an e bike like this just because of The Law. The law is never there to help you or the environment. Technology will continue to grow and create solutions to our current problems but the law will always hold us back. And as long as there's brainwashed folk out there who perpetuate these archaic rules and regulations progress will continue to be slow.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 4 ай бұрын
And because a few chavs can be an even bigger menace than they were on regular push bikes.
@Strider9655
@Strider9655 4 ай бұрын
@@TimpBizkit I think the same with e-scooters though, they didn't crack down on the problem, they allowed companies like Bird to operate e-scooter hire, but they knew that kids would use them, the intention being to create this problem that turns the public against them, along with media misinformation. The measures they did take, only encouraged kids to want them. Same as smoking and even drinking, by putting an arbitrary restriction on the sales of drink and tobacco, they only made kids want them even more. The truth is, per mile, e-bike and e-scooter related accidents are a tiny fraction of those of more traditional, taxable transportation. The REAL reason they don't want us having a viable cheap form of transport is because the UK economy was built around motoring taxes. They rake in £12bn per year JUST in VAT on new car sales. For decades they've curated this British car driving class system mentality, were we associate social class with the car we drive and the pretense of wealth, instead of how wealthy we actually are.
@badabing8884
@badabing8884 4 ай бұрын
Current govt consultation to increase power of EPACs to 500w and throttle assisted bikes to 15.5mph. Closes on 25 April.
@neilp1885
@neilp1885 4 ай бұрын
Yeh, but this one is 1000W and 31mph, so still wouldn't be ok, even if that consultation results in a bill being put forward that gets approved and changes the law.
@badabing8884
@badabing8884 4 ай бұрын
@@neilp1885 yeh I know just saying about the consultation. I have had my say and submitted it. I am not even in favour of 500ws, so would Never be in favour of 1000ws.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
Just another example of our useless politicians in action. What was needed was an increase of the speed limit to 20mph. Instead we get this rubbish from them.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 4 ай бұрын
​@@dtz1000they clearly have never ridden an ebike. Current models already draw 500w or more when accelerating or going up hill. The 250w is just continuous rated power of the motor. If the law change to 500w goes through it'll just mean faster accelerating bikes that are still capped at the painfully slow 15mph speed.
@chrisfranklification
@chrisfranklification 4 ай бұрын
Ashley, you're an absolute legend mate. I've been watching your videos for a while now and they've made me think a lot about how I drive and made me approach things differently - both on bike and in car. Great to see you taking such a clear line on this deathtrap!
@robertparkinson2102
@robertparkinson2102 4 ай бұрын
I think the law was revised in 2015 to remove the weight limit to bring us in line with Europe where mid box bikes are common. I have a concern about raising the ebike limit to 20 mph - in the 1990s I could maintain 20 mph. Several drivers didn't registered how fast I was going. I had sufficient experience, youthful reactions, padding from muscles or luck not to end up in hospital. If the 20mph limit on roads is universal and enforced, it could be safer, though shared cycle/pedestrian spaces may have to end.
@Jessicacaca00
@Jessicacaca00 4 ай бұрын
Why would 20mph be dangerous anyway? You can get up to 40mph on a half decent non-electric race cycle
@davidmccord7584
@davidmccord7584 4 ай бұрын
I dont see a problem selling this bike to responsable people over 18 with provisional a full driving licence. And scooter insurance.
@azulleth9401
@azulleth9401 4 ай бұрын
I think most Ebike Riders in the UK/EU just want the speed limit increased to 20mph for Pedal assist, the same as the USA.
@Mrhullsie2
@Mrhullsie2 4 ай бұрын
Given that many urban areas in the UK now have 20 mph speed limits a 20 mph limit for EPACs would seem a good idea, would help reduce motor vehicles pushing to pass you.
@dickelg
@dickelg 4 ай бұрын
@@Mrhullsie2Ou really think that would happen all they see is a bike and think it slows them down so would push past anyway.
@Rover200Power
@Rover200Power 4 ай бұрын
Or you could buy a normal pedal bike and cycle at 20mph.
@Mrhullsie2
@Mrhullsie2 4 ай бұрын
@@dickelg will probably only reduce the issue a little, at least until police start enforcing the 20moh limit. But that probably won't be far off as the 20mph limit becomes more common I am sure councils will see the potential source of income from enforcement of the 20 mph limit
@mehmetemin4713
@mehmetemin4713 4 ай бұрын
I think the current speed is appropriate. I think the power/torque is what needs increasing, to allow for better cargo bikes/off-roading, and a bit more oomph in the launch.
@Craig-wp3pz
@Craig-wp3pz 4 ай бұрын
To be honest, I've recently brought an ebike, a 750w 'Isnow' snow bike, 20"x 4"fat tire, cost £800, nearest legal offering was £1299 and noticeably crappier, 😮 it does 27mph and has a throttle
@benglasgow
@benglasgow 4 ай бұрын
Good video really. I'd say your video highlights the serious problem of the government not keeping up with either directly addressing laws/restrictions for certain kinds of ebikes and escooters or just out right banning them and enforcing some kind of import restriction on them. They have the power to begin looking at classifications for higher powered micro-mobility means of transport such as e-bikes and e-scooters, e-monowheels if you feel exotic, but whilst every other country has introduced laws or legislation along with systems to regulate and license them, the UK is staggeringly far behind. Personally I think e-scooters and alike painfully need set out rules so that sensible law abiding citizens can make use of them for certain journeys. For example I live in a city center flat and i dont want to own a car or motorbike due to theft and extortionate permits. With an escooter i can pack it up and take it up to my flat where its safe. At least with ebikes they are heavy enough to be hard to nick from a stairwell and have lots of places to store a tracker. Anyways i digress, not defending the company by any means, thats a different matter. But we absolutely need some sensible way forward to stop these being misused and put in place some kind of system to regulate/legalise them with training, registration and some kind of minimal insurance for different classes.
@benc1454
@benc1454 4 ай бұрын
On todays episode: Ashley takes his bike for a walk
@OutlawJackC
@OutlawJackC 4 ай бұрын
Feel like it's a good product on the wrong market. Need to be more specific for it's intended use. Surely there's some off road place somewhere it could be ridden, same as mx bikes.
@I_Evo
@I_Evo 4 ай бұрын
I believe the weight limits you referred to were removed some years ago as part of the government's deregulation drive, the change took place at the same time the maximum continuous power went from 200 to 250W. Also I'm amazed you thought you could accurately assess the maximum speed of a bike by simply lifting the drive wheel off the ground, thus ignoring the rolling resistance.
@ashley_neal
@ashley_neal 4 ай бұрын
It's limited to 50kph and is powerful enough to do more than that. 31mph with a rider is perfectly plausible. I thought this would be obvious.
@I_Evo
@I_Evo 4 ай бұрын
@@ashley_neal Potentially, but that's still in no way a reliable or scientific way to measure the potential maximum speed of the bike. And the removed weight limits?
@ashley_neal
@ashley_neal 4 ай бұрын
I didn't try to be scientific.
@BigDavie2000
@BigDavie2000 4 ай бұрын
@@I_EvoThey did confirm the top speed was 31mph in one of their replies.
@andyalder7910
@andyalder7910 4 ай бұрын
Lifting the wheel off the ground proves the motor does not cut off at 25KPH. If a strong cyclist pedals at 20MPH the motor must give no assistance whatsoever irrespective of whether it can propel the bike at 20 without rider assist.
@BenLondonN6
@BenLondonN6 4 ай бұрын
FYI: There is no maximum weight limitation for an eBike here in the UK. In almost every other way, this bike seems to be breaking the regulations which are (in a nutshell) max 250W motor, only pedal assist (no throttle beyond 6mph), motor assistance must cut out at 15.5 mph. It's possible to go faster than 15.5 on an eBike, but this is true of a normal bike. On a legal eBike, one FEELS the bike getting suddenly "heavy" at 15.5 mph and so it becomes a speed, that you don't want to go over. It is not a pleasant feeling, almost like someone pulling the bike from behind. Drivers are no expecting bikes to be going at great speed and powerful eBikes can mislead them. Ride this death trap on private land, by all means but please get a legal bike for our roads peeps, and preferably one that's sold as one complete bike by a reputable dealer. Buying parts and doing a DIY job isn't nearly as safe as buying a complete bike that conforms to the CE regulations. My eBike gave me a new lease of life on the roads, after a knee injury meant reduced pedal power in one leg. I enjoy the ride, but I go no faster that I did with my pedal bike. What's great is that I don't physically have to push the pedals as hard.
@lwo7736
@lwo7736 4 ай бұрын
These things ride around on the pavement EVERYWHERE in sheffield, I feel like, one day one of them is going to kill my dog
@susiejones3634
@susiejones3634 4 ай бұрын
It's bloomin heavy too 🫥
@CourageousCoos
@CourageousCoos 4 ай бұрын
Always flying through the red lights on West street without a care in the world
@MuzikBike
@MuzikBike 4 ай бұрын
I misread "Sheffield" as "minefield" out of the corner of my eye, given the context I don't think that's even inaccurate
@ds_e5202
@ds_e5202 4 ай бұрын
They’d probably argue that it’s a bike and bikes are similar to walking as you use your feet and are going slow, despite the fact that they’re flying past at 30mph without touching the pedals
@TheMuddatrucker
@TheMuddatrucker 4 ай бұрын
Sheffield also! but in general it’s NOT these types of illegal e-bikes that are causing a nuisance, these types are generally used by commuters and delivery riders. Yes they break a few rules but at least they stick to the roads (IN GENERAL) The ones you’re referring to are NOT these type of bikes, they’re the motocross type called Surrons, or talia and a few others They’re way faster than this old granny machine in the video, they’ll do 50+ mph and yes do cause havoc in Sheffield, on the roads, pavements, anywhere! And yes soon enough cats, dogs, kids, old people will become victim to their riding, injuring and possibly killing them. Nearly always ridden by a balaclava clad teenager with a pocket full of drugs and jewellery they stole the night before. These bikes cost upwards of 3.5k some double that and are seriously powerful machines.
@smilerbob
@smilerbob 4 ай бұрын
7:00 I agree that the power should be available for use to keep the rider safe. Last year I saw an elderly gentleman struggling to get his bike going across a roundabout. It was heartbreaking to witness as you could tell be enjoys his riding but, like it will for most of us, age had caught up with him. I made a comment at the time thinking that an electric assisted bike would benefit this person as he could still enjoy riding while keeping safe…but the extra boost would allow him to clear the roundabout sooner. Not talking motorcycle speeds, but something faster than 3.5mph on a throttle…perhaps 10mph It wasn’t an issue for me, I waited and even emerged onto the roundabout to prevent anyone coming from the right gurtling around without seeing him (nobody did approach) but not sure everyone would’ve taken the same care
@johnwright8814
@johnwright8814 4 ай бұрын
I have an electric one, to help my knees, and it's great for getting about in my retirement, and I don't have the problems of that gentleman - yet.. Got rid of the car now that I don't need to commute. Punctures are still a pain, 'though. I had forgotten about the punctures.
@Ryan-pz2wh
@Ryan-pz2wh 4 ай бұрын
@@johnwright8814 get Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyres for your bike. Most puncture resistant tyres you can get.
@mikewade777
@mikewade777 4 ай бұрын
A lot is just down to shopping for the right Ebike. My bike weighs under 20kg, motor responds to the peddles quickly, unassisted peddles as easy as an unpowered hybrid, meaning saving the 10ah battery for the hills or fun. About 20 miles max assist and easy to peddle beyond motor assist. Not going to leave you stranded with a flat battery since theres no resistance, just the 18kg. I live in Wales and 40 miles with hills, not a problem.
@azulleth9401
@azulleth9401 4 ай бұрын
@@mikewade777 that was what I thought when I spent more to get the Carbon version of the Orbea gain, its my main bike I may as well spend more and have no regrets. when the time comes to get a new Ebike I'll get electronic gears but that may not happen for a few years because I'm interested in Mavic X-Tend
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 4 ай бұрын
We already have a sensible limit for throttles: 15.5 mph on bikes sold before 2016, 3.7 mph afterwards. You can have a throttle that only works when pedaling, which I think is the safest setup as pedal assist can be surprising (with motors over 250 watts anyway).
@jackedrussell
@jackedrussell 4 ай бұрын
Not to justify them selling an illegal bike to the public, but I wouldn't take that 31mph speed seriously. I have an electric scooter that I use for going around paved farm tracks, it has a top speed of 34mph with me on it and moving. I did lift the wheels up and go full throttle to see what number it would say, and it went up to 68mph. So my estimate is this bike has a top speed with the throttle of 26-28mph, not 31.5ish like it said in this video. Which is still illegal though. I'm just being a bit pedantic.
@azulleth9401
@azulleth9401 4 ай бұрын
Even if it can do 31mph I'd imagine that shortens the range and drains the battery quickly,especially heavier bikes like the one in the video. I don't think your being pedantic nothing you said isn't factual
@ianmason.
@ianmason. 4 ай бұрын
@@azulleth9401To be pedantic, being pedantic is all about facts, precise facts. Disputing such minutely precise facts that in fact you soon no longer have any friends (I'm looking at you Anders).
@Pystro
@Pystro 4 ай бұрын
Yes, the bike likely couldn't reach that 31mph on level ground. But the point is that it should have a cut-out that cuts the throttle input to the engine at 6km/h (no matter if it's going uphill, downhill or idling with the wheel in the air). I understood the test to show that fact, not the actual top speed with the wheels loaded. As we're being pedantic: you could still reach a situation where the motor runs from the throttle at 31mph, but you probably need to be going down a substantial slope.
@ashley_neal
@ashley_neal 4 ай бұрын
www.tiktok.com/@ashleynealyoutube/video/7344349432080633120
@jackedrussell
@jackedrussell 4 ай бұрын
@@ashley_nealWell that's me proven wrong. I look forward to the review of the legal bike.
@KarlVaughan
@KarlVaughan 4 ай бұрын
Last year I bought my first e-bike which was an Ado A20F. It is a similar design to your one there but it had a 250W motor so was legal. It was very heavy though at 36kg. Like you, I struggled changing the battery and lifting it into my home every day became a chore so in the end I sold it and bought another e-bike - a hybrid commuter. That weighs the same as a normal bike. There must be loads of illegal bikes around but I never see anyone pulled over by the police.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 4 ай бұрын
My Bafang BBS02b is only 25kg on a Scott Voltage MX3 and that includes the battery. Quite heavy but a darn sight lighter than those things if the battery runs out. Again though, can get to over 40 mph with combined motor and pedaling in skin tight clothes, and the rim brake blocks don't last that long. It definitely comes above even S pedelecs though in regulations. Though the only time I was stopped by police was when my back light was running out of batteries and they mentioned nothing about a motor/speed/power. The police don't tend to notice them unless you ride like a dick or have a screaming 2 stroke engine on a bike.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 4 ай бұрын
That bike is illegal it's a 500w motor stamped as 250w. If you remove the speed limit (takes 10 seconds) it does nearly 25mph.
@jakebarnes3054
@jakebarnes3054 4 ай бұрын
I think these laws are silly, there's no restriction on how much horsepower a car can produce or speed it can reach, but there are speed limits. Yet ebikes must have their power limited to 250w (a number that is actually misleading as wattage varies even on the legal motors) and cannot exceed 15.5mph using pedal assist. That's a silly way to regulate them seeing as no other vehicle is regulated that way. Furthermore, lycra-bound road cyclists can and do exceed these speeds by far and also pose risks to the public.
@itsmyview2024
@itsmyview2024 4 ай бұрын
Bang on, rider weight, load, environment, all mean the power output is not the issue, I have an ebike in the pyreness with a 350w motor, still wont do 15mph on a 1in4 hill (up of course). Not a problem in cambridgeshire with my 250w one.
@andyalder7910
@andyalder7910 4 ай бұрын
You need a license to drive a car plus tax, insurance etc. Obtain the same for one of these and you can ride it on the road just like any other motor bike.
@jakebarnes3054
@jakebarnes3054 4 ай бұрын
@@andyalder7910 why don't we do the same for any and all bicycles? Just more excuses to steal money from people who have worked for it.
@andyalder7910
@andyalder7910 4 ай бұрын
@@jakebarnes3054 The way some cyclists behave that wouldn't be such a bad idea, at least we'd be able to record their number plates.
@ianmason.
@ianmason. 4 ай бұрын
You're missing the aspect that ebikes require no qualification or licence or insurance to use them whereas cars do, thus requiring something _else_ to minimise the risk ebikes pose in untrained, inexperienced hands.
@JustAlex848
@JustAlex848 4 ай бұрын
The manufacturer is right. This bike is only illegal if you get caught. So if you see police, just get off and push it and you won't get any points. Try to ride in areas where the police don't go - for example, anywhere that doesn't have a Greggs or a McDonalds will be fine. And consider wearing eye patches or a blindfold because if you can't see the police, the police can't see you - that is basic physics.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
Most police wouldn't bat an eye if you rode this right in front of them. They are not interested.
@JustAlex848
@JustAlex848 4 ай бұрын
@@dtz1000 Yes, I agree. Most police don't even know the law. They are literally idiots.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 4 ай бұрын
Yeah as long as you aren't riding dangerously the police have better things to do.​@@dtz1000
@comicmania2008
@comicmania2008 4 ай бұрын
Same here, virtually! 4 years ago after I retired, I looked into a powerful eScooter purchase, was going to cost around 1400 quid. Really liked the idea of zooming around the coast and going on long rides in the countryside - that I'd seen other people do - and still do! The scooter looked really cool, big wheels with thick tyres and removable seat, and easily capable of 45 MPH. Then, when I read into it, I wouldn't have been able to ride it 'legally' anywhere! As an oldie now 64, would make a good runabout if it was street legal, perhaps in USA, France or Spain, but UK is simply not worth the bother, govt rightly or wrongly, has removed fun from every aspect of life! But not sure how these companies manage to sell these things, if they aren't legal!
@paulqueripel3493
@paulqueripel3493 4 ай бұрын
We have the same rules as Europe, so France and Spain are out. The USA seems to have no rules, or much more relaxed ones.
@stephenclark9917
@stephenclark9917 4 ай бұрын
Trading Standards has been gutted by tory Council cuts since 2010.
@MR2perfectable
@MR2perfectable 4 ай бұрын
Let’s all listen to the police that don’t actually help you when you’ve experienced a crime… 👍
@vipertwenty249
@vipertwenty249 4 ай бұрын
It does look very good for keeping fit though, since you have to push it everywhere and it's so heavy. Better than a cycle machine at home because you get the fresh air as well as lugging that thing about.
@alankemp1970
@alankemp1970 4 ай бұрын
It’s a bit misleading in general as there aren’t any real 250w e-bikes, the 250w classification is the nominal output at the restricted 15.5mph not under heavy load or hard rider pedal input, legal UK e-bikes are 36v nominal (42v full charge) and 15amps at the controller- so 42v x 15amps is 630w peak. At heavier loading, up hills, sprinting will see 400-600 continuous when measured plus a couple of hundred watts from the rider. You will find no difference between bikes labelled 250w and 500w except for the set speed limit. You can restrict bikes like this one to the 15.5mph limit, remove the throttle (or limit it to the legal limit) and limit the controller to 15amps which is what most manufacturers do for the various world markets but just like all 250w legal e-bikes it won’t be 250w 😊 My custom build ebike has a road legal mode so is at the legal requirement when on public highways, it can only be deactivated from a mobile phone app that’s not hard wired in, in off road mode it’s 1,450w peak (2.4kwh 58v battery) running at 25amps controller which is fun but not mad just nice and torquey for steep slow climbing and single track Just checking on the Himiway and it’s 48v at 15amps from the controller so 720w peak for a 250w 15.5mph nominal legal UK ebike.
@mattwardman
@mattwardman 4 ай бұрын
I have seen Himiway dealers publish the 'unlock' password on their websites. eg Ecomove in Bristol. Search on "Himiway unlock code". There's a culture of lawlessness in the industry that needs fixing.
@hughjardon3538
@hughjardon3538 4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, much of what you said is not right. The regulation for motor power is that it must be "rated" at not more than 250w. There is no standard for the method of rating, so a manufacturer can rate a motor at whatever they want. If a motor is marked as rated as 350w, 1000w or anything else above 250w, it's de facto illegal, regardless of how much power you use or the speed you limit it to. If you have a motor rated at 250w, there is no regulation for how much power you can put through it. You can use a battery voltage up to 48v. There are OEM bikes with 48v (13S) batteries that have been certified as compliant, so it's still compliant when fully charged at 54.8v. In other words, the certification institutions are interpreting the "up to 48v" as up to a 13S battery (16s LiFePO4). Also, in the examples you gave, the figures were for input power. The output power is completely different and much less, and it depends on the efficiency, which is different throughout the motor's rotation speed range. On an ebike, efficiency is typically in the range 30% to 80%, but if you use the bike sensibly, you should be running in the 60% to 75% range.
@alankemp1970
@alankemp1970 4 ай бұрын
@@hughjardon3538 the regulation is 250w nominal not peak power output, this is usually around 40% of peak. If you measure the output of a legal 250w stamped ebike it will be over 250w under load, even the underpowered cheap ones are running controllers at 10amps (output), I’ve been building ev for over 15 years now and the actual output varies the only constant is the speed limiter. The nominal at the speed limit when not under load (bike wheel raised) sits in the 250w (40ish% of peak) range. The Bafang mid drive 250w motors seem to peak at just under 600w then pull back down once at the speed limit and not under heavy load close to the 250w when in the highest output settings (measured externally)
@GlassSpider
@GlassSpider 4 ай бұрын
Best bike review I've ever seen. Hands down. Keep us posted with any updates!
@ashley_neal
@ashley_neal 4 ай бұрын
www.tiktok.com/@ashleynealyoutube/video/7344349432080633120
@steve5772
@steve5772 4 ай бұрын
And 30mph is pretty tame compared to the likes of the Surron. To be fair, i wouldn't mind one as my commuter, but then i have a full bike licence and would quite happily insure it and have a numberplate on it.... But i dont think thats quite the target market
@dezfitz62
@dezfitz62 4 ай бұрын
Steve, the paperwork involved in trying to get one of these legal for the road is mind boggling.
@unsafevelocities5687
@unsafevelocities5687 4 ай бұрын
Doesn't seem necessary for it to have triple trees (downhill forks?) and dual rear coilovers.
@offroad3607
@offroad3607 4 ай бұрын
Just to make it look more like a motorbike maybe, fat tyres too, all add extra (unnecessary) weight.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
It is totally unnecessary. I have one of their ebikes with just one rear suspension unit and wish I had got one with none as I prefer to ride it that way.
@callumwilson7891
@callumwilson7891 4 ай бұрын
Just discovered your channel today. Absolutely love your honesty with this
@timeluster
@timeluster 4 ай бұрын
More power to you Ash. As with any of these emerging industries, there needs a lot of ironing out of regulation and product design. Hopefully this video can help with this, and raise awareness of the danger of importing stuff from less regulated markets.
@Trevorodunne
@Trevorodunne 4 ай бұрын
In Ireland you can use this e-bike on the roads now. But after q1-2024 you will have need insurance ,tax, license to ride on roads. they will classified as e-mopeds
@shutterupphotography295
@shutterupphotography295 4 ай бұрын
no tax....
@thequickervicar9821
@thequickervicar9821 4 ай бұрын
Well said. I wondered if you were walking about looking for a convenient skip to deposit it in.
@TheEulerID
@TheEulerID 4 ай бұрын
You can easily pick up six or more points on your license for riding something like that. It's because it's no longer classed as a bicycle, and will be a moped. It is likely it doesn't meet the appropriate construction standards, it will be unregistered, untaxed and uninsured (even though there is no actual payment for electric moped taxation, it still has to go through the process). As it's not an electrically assisted bicycle, then it's a vehicle and that means all these are offences which not only attract a fine but some will also attract points, especially the one about being uninsured. That is considered to be a serious offence.
@hebijirik
@hebijirik 4 ай бұрын
In CZ we have similar regulations for e-bikes. Yet I see people on things like this blast down a narrow cyclepath at 40kph. So very visibly their bike is outside the regulations. When I (rarely) got to ask some of them about it they all seem to be thinking of the "off-road use legal" and "just slow down around police" things. I asked 3 different poeple with these basically motorbikes what is their plan for when a car fails to yield to them in an intersection and an accident happens. It could be worth of a lot of money in damage and yet a lot more money in health care costs. The insurance company of the car driver refuses to pay because they will (correctly) believe they can get out of paying for the car drivers mistake due to the "cyclist" operating and unregistered, illegal motor vehicle on a public road. The fine from the police will be tiny in comparison. None of those guys had an answer for me. And only 1 out of the 3 looked allarmed by that idea and admited he never considered it. The other two just got angry with me and left. I think there is a combination of lack of understanding of: - the regulations for e-bikes, which some sellers seem to be deliberately misinterpreting - that nor all things I can buy are legal to use outside my house or my garden - the consequences of braking the rules are by far not limited to the police catching me braking the rules
@mattwardman
@mattwardman 4 ай бұрын
There are cases around. In Cardiff on the Ely Estate a lad (16) was given a Surron by his parents, and he was hooning around on it with a 15 year old on the back. He lost control and killed both of them. Our problem is a Govt that won't grasp any nettles.
@Pystro
@Pystro 4 ай бұрын
Another part of the problem may be that riding an unregistered bike is (usually) a "crime without victim". If car manufacturers sold someone a vehicle that wasn't road legal, then the fact that the vehicle can't be registered means that the seller would likely be forced to refund them. But since these bikes aren't registered, the manufacturers don't have that same incentive to provide a product that is road legal. Only when an accident happens is there a chance of more than 0.001% to get in trouble. (Sometimes I wonder if police has always been so ineffective at enforcing laws or if that's a 20th/21st century development.) Instead, most users of overpowered bikes are aware but don't mind that it's illegal for them to use it. The manufacturers produce them that way knowing that they'll be bought (and used) despite being illegal. And since there's no obligation for the retailer to make a guarantee of road-worthiness, it's up to the buyer to check the road-worthiness (which makes buying an e-bike unnecessarily more complicated for people who want to comply with the law). And finally, the people deliberately buying the overpowered bikes can then use the fact that nobody explicitly told them their bike wasn't road-legal as an excuse - which nicely closes the circle of undesirable incentives.
@hebijirik
@hebijirik 4 ай бұрын
@@Pystro it is very localized and only happens at some times but there is a situation where the chance of being caught is high. I heard Austrian police do it and even the Czech one got one such device for it. They have some kind of rollers with calibrated speed sensor in them, they can put the bike on it and just spin the pedals. If the motor doesn't shut off above 25kph plus 10% tolerance they fine the rider. Every time I heard about this they were doing it in summer on some very busy recreational cycle path or cycling route. That kinda makes sense because that's where parents with children are most likely to be so if you wanna go after these disguised motorbikes somewhere that is a logical target area. But if someone uses it for commuting then it is like you say 0.001% unless you are in an accident.
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 4 ай бұрын
Customer: where would i ride this? Manufacturer: out of sight of the police
@MrSychnant
@MrSychnant 4 ай бұрын
Just as you finished your video i thought you were going to try the bike on the section of Higher Lane that's been closed for 20 years in front of you.. ( when i was a kid ,(77 now) my mates and i used to race our steering carts down the hill to the bridge at the bottom by the allotments.
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
@user-sf7kl9uh7k 4 ай бұрын
I do like Ashley's expressions, kind of tells you all you need to know before he even starts talking.
@beardyface8492
@beardyface8492 4 ай бұрын
You could theoretically take it for single vehicle approval & register it as an electric moped/motorcycle, it doesn't look like it'd need much modification beyond a mirror & number plate, though it'd take a proper going over while reading the (complex) requirements to actually determine that, then tax & insure it as what it actually is. It's actually a shame the manufacturer/importer doesn't finish the job, make them meet the regs. as electric mopeds, & market them as what they are complete with V5 & number plate. At least anyone licenced & insured could then legitimately use it.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 4 ай бұрын
L1E regulations are fairly easy to meet (this is 50cc moped equivalent so 28mph and 4000w max).
@BongbongA99
@BongbongA99 4 ай бұрын
I see these types of machines whizzing around at top speed all over the place and no one seemingly questioning it. Some riders also seem to behave like lunatics. I'm so pleased that you have increased people's awareness of the problem Ashley.
@judosteffer
@judosteffer 4 ай бұрын
Its an interesting analogy to cars though, which "can" be driven well over the speed limit, whereas this ebike is illegal from the start as soon as you put it on the road.
@johno4521
@johno4521 4 ай бұрын
Never heard of this make but checked them out after watching. They've just started selling them in this country but if you do buy one they are shipped direct from Poland. I've read about a few customer service issues .
@stevegoodfellow3423
@stevegoodfellow3423 4 ай бұрын
@johno4521 According to the label "slapped on as an afterthought" the machine was manufactured in China, so shipped via Poland.
@PaxTemplar
@PaxTemplar 4 ай бұрын
I bought an Aniioki which is even faster BUT I am going through the procedure to get it compliant with MSVA to convert to electric moped. i'll be doing the same with another Aniioki which is even more powerful in the summer. i have an Aniioki AQ177 pro max which at full throttle will go 32mph for 100-130 miles and 200-230 with PAS. the V7 dual which i'll be getting in the summer has the same 60 amp hour 52 volt battery and with the dual motor(1600-200 peak on the rear and 1200- 1600 peak on the front) can do 45mph for 100 miles. front motor can be turned off and get 33mph to 130 miles.. the A8 has similar range to the AQ177. I'll be converting both to road legal e-mopeds as they have MUCh better range and are cheaper than an e-moped that you can buy. Getting emarketed lights, indicators and mirrors and also oil hydraulic brakes that have a reservoir with visible oil level. the rear lights with downlight and plate holder then get a vin number and jobs a good un. that's the only reason i can see for getting this type of bike otherwise it's a fools errand looking to get their bike confiscated!
@timboswell5130
@timboswell5130 4 ай бұрын
Wow. If the Assisted Mode does fall within the regs (weight aside), it seems absurd that they'd word it like that rather than simply saying "The full auto mode is intended for off road use only - for on road use you must use the assisted mode". Combine that with making the second battery removable for on road use and they might even squeeze under the weight limit.
@RollerbazAndCoasterDad
@RollerbazAndCoasterDad 4 ай бұрын
Good to see you still found a wqy toget some excercise out of it Ashley!
@ianmason.
@ianmason. 4 ай бұрын
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@RCEASTMIDLANDS
@RCEASTMIDLANDS 4 ай бұрын
Bravo on another honest review. It's nice to see someone reviewing something honestly on youtube and not kissing the feet of the sponsor. Keep your integrity Ashley. You can't buy more once you lose it!
@robynrox
@robynrox 4 ай бұрын
As far as I'm aware, it is indeed 6 km/h that you are allowed from a throttle. I have a bike that meets all the regulations as far as I'm aware, save for the necessary markings (maximum speed and power). It's very unlikely that I would be stopped, but technically it falls outside of the regulations, and it's just not worth risking six points.
@kenmay1572
@kenmay1572 4 ай бұрын
Electric scooters are being trialed in some cities, but they must be twist and go simply because they have no pedals. Crazy rules for bikes.
@JTScottOfficial
@JTScottOfficial 4 ай бұрын
Is there no way to put a limiter on it? Also, does it still function with the main battery removed, and if so does it alter the speed, and/or weight enough to be legal? That way itd have some form of use.
@alanjewell9550
@alanjewell9550 4 ай бұрын
At what point would riding a bike potentially affect your driving licence? It seems clear that if the bike in question is actually an electric motorbike, then that's driving without tax, insurance etc.
@gunnarparment5050
@gunnarparment5050 4 ай бұрын
As living in Sweden, I would agree with almost all you said. Just one small detail. That 40 kg limit must be a UK thing. Having scrutinized the Swedish law (TRF) there is no such thing as a 40 kg limit. All other regulations, like 250 watt continuous power and regulations on the throttle is part of the common EU regulations. It is obvious that the national laws still differ a bit. Feel free to comment on that, if you like. 😊
@ToeJam161
@ToeJam161 4 ай бұрын
Fair play for this review. There will be a lot of delivery drivers who might question their bikes!
@brantnuttall
@brantnuttall 4 ай бұрын
Right. I'm off now for a short ride on my unassisted pedal cycle.
@philipw
@philipw 4 ай бұрын
might need to start calling it leg assisted 😂
@shm5547
@shm5547 4 ай бұрын
'push bike', surely?
@brantnuttall
@brantnuttall 4 ай бұрын
@@shm5547 yes, and don't call me Surely!
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 4 ай бұрын
I'm wondering if you motorise the joints of your legs, can you get more power than the regulations? I vote for 2500 watts and 45 mph assist cut off speed. That's what a proper track cyclist can do! But two working brakes please!
@brantnuttall
@brantnuttall 4 ай бұрын
@@TimpBizkit 2500 is nothing for Sir Chris but only for a short while.
@blahza12345
@blahza12345 4 ай бұрын
Feels a bit in between of my current home town of Dublin, where shops aplenty will gladly sell you a scooter (not yet in the regulations), and sometimes Guards (police) will confiscate them when used on roads - and my previous home town of Tel-Aviv, where shops would sell you a power-assisted bicycle and then offer you an extra service of cracking the throttle and top speed limits... A lovely treasure trove which could have been part of the solution to car centrism in both cities.
@Teguvas
@Teguvas 2 ай бұрын
I have an electric bike. 15mph, 250 watts, but it has a throttle. Its brand new, but legal. It's a Pedibal Cite which I paid extra for DVSA type approval. As long as the power and max speed conforms to the EPC it is classed as a low power moped, and is still viewed as a bicycle not a moped so can use cycle lanes no insurance etc. It also folds up so I can bring it on any bus or train with the West Midlands, also throw it in the boot of my car. Made in Britain too!!
@keithalderson100
@keithalderson100 4 ай бұрын
There seems to be a total disregard for the need for a warning device on both ordinary cycles and electric bikes. So many have no bell. ALL vehicles must be equipped with the appropriate device. Four wheeled vehicles are required to have a horn. I believe the tone needs to denote the size of the vehicle; the larger the deeper the tone. Motorbikes also have horns - more a tweet than a honk! Cycles and I presume electric bikes - or actually electric cycles - would require a bell. Electric bikes, which might match a 50cc internal combustion engine powered bike, ought to be regulated similarly to the old mo-peds. - Allowed weight might be higher, - They would be limited to a certain top speed - similar to the practical limits that 50cc motorbikes could achieve, - The bell would have to be changed for a horn, - They would require registration and a number plate, - Insurance would become mandatory, - A proper crash helmet would be required... Currently some electric bikes can achieve speeds matching higher cc motorbikes, so these MIGHT not be available to learners.
@PalisadeFence
@PalisadeFence 4 ай бұрын
The other day, I was driving 60kph on a duel carriageway and was passed by someone on a retro-fitted EV mountain bike in the cycle lane. Madness.
@lookoutleo
@lookoutleo 4 ай бұрын
Your video is highlighting a big problem we already knew about . Their are so many illegal electric bikes. You can buy a kit online thats a 1500w motor, it comes with a "ce approved 250w" sticker to hide its true ppwer. I have a legal 250w bike as i feel happier that im driving something thats within the guide lines and 250 w with 15.5mph is fast enough for me anyway. My bike was new in 2014 so it can have a throttle
@ChrisBrown-px1oy
@ChrisBrown-px1oy 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Ashley. I hope if I get back on two wheels a pedal cycle will be enough for my fairly flat town. It was painful watching you manhandle the bike in the garage, mainly because I'm nursing a broken wrist - walking and buses for me for at least another three and a half weeks! So I did enjoy the Fazakerley ramble in early spring sunshine. It was depressing to reflect around 10:10 that if you rode this bike on the road with the sly sort of care recommended by Engwe and without sharing the ride on KZfaq, there might well be no consequences. I'd imagine that enforcement of this fairly new area is low in the priorities of most forces, and sadly it may well take a number of well-publicised fatalities among riders of such bikes and/or pedestrians and pedal cyclists, and determined campaigning, to push it higher.
@kristinajendesen7111
@kristinajendesen7111 4 ай бұрын
I fitted a Swytch kit to my pushbike and they sold me a thumb throttle with no mention of the legal implications. I disconnected the throttle because I definitely don't want points on my licence. Still kicks in by pedalling though.
@veritasaequitas9875
@veritasaequitas9875 4 ай бұрын
To clarify my earlier comments. Describing this bike as an "illegal" bike is like describing a new car in a showroom as an "illegal" car. It's not an illegal car. But it would be if you drove it on the highway without meeting the legal requirements for driving the car on the highway. So it's not a question of illegality from the vehicle perspective it's a matter of legality when it comes to usage. Can you use it as you would an EAPC? No. It's spec is outside the limits for that. But it's incorrect and misleading to describe it as an "illegal" bike and even more incorrect to advise people NOT to buy it on that basis. I don't actually understand what inspired the maker to ask a driving instructor to assess their e-bike product. One who admits, at least, that he finds the regulations complex, confusing and tending to all blur into one big mess in his head. I think this was probably a misjudgement on their part and arses may well receiving a metaphorical kicking as a result. But these are great machines. No reason NOT to buy them. You just have to treat them like mopeds, scooters and motorbikes in general from a legal perspective ie: tax, insurance, license and helmet are all required. There are other issues, of course, like transporting them, parking and securing them when you reach your destination. The same as any other two wheeled motor driven vehicle. In which case weight can certainly be an advantage since it's less likely someone is going to walk off with it. E-bikes are not for me personally. I prefer leg power when it comes to two wheeled transport. I can still reach speeds of 20 and beyond when the need presents itself.
@andyand100
@andyand100 4 ай бұрын
How many rears shocks do u need !
@derekheeps1244
@derekheeps1244 4 ай бұрын
OK , I have two thoughts re this , actually three ... It may not be legal to ride in the UK under current legislation , but if I were buying this in mind with European camping or caravanning holidays in mind - is it legal to use these in other European countries where I might go with it ? Secondly , it is , by its specification , technically a moped . Then why not just register it as such with DVLA , indeed if buying from the manufacturer or their dealer , ask them to register it before you buy it , then insure and licence it as required ; then it would be UK road legal . If no existing insurers with to write policies for it , then the manufacturers should find one willing to do this - would equally apply abroad . Finally , just keep it for off road tracks , where you won't bother anyone , and ride it responsibly ; I wouldn't ride something like that on a public highway , but if i found a quiet coastal trail , or highland track , where I could ride it responsibly , and not in contravention of the road traffic act , because it would not be a highway , then I wouldn't worry too much about it . I have a trailer which is big enough to easily carry three or four of these things , and a load rating of 500Kg , so comfortably enough to load them in , so would be happy to transport them to somewhere I could use them off road . For your review , I think I might have found a factory car park or similar , and having obtained permission from owners to use it outside working hours , might have ran it around the private car park to give some riding impressions ?
@crunchyfrog555
@crunchyfrog555 4 ай бұрын
I'm quite used to Chinese "cha bu duo" (half arsed) construction and lying on specs and such, but it amazes me that clearly illegal shit like this is allowed to be imported here.
@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue
@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue 4 ай бұрын
It isn't illegal to sell, just illegal to use outside of private land, that is the problem.
@roderickjoyce6716
@roderickjoyce6716 4 ай бұрын
@@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue As Ashley pointed out, how many people have or can use private land to ride one of these?
@Drenwickification
@Drenwickification 4 ай бұрын
@@roderickjoyce6716well yeah so they should be made illegal to sell. But they aren’t illegal as of now which is why they’re allowed to be sold.
@crunchyfrog555
@crunchyfrog555 4 ай бұрын
@@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue Sure, but that ain't how things work under the law in England and Wales. It should be clearly labelled as such and it ain't. That's the point - when it is not correctly labelled in many ways, how does this get through?
@tonyrobinson7740
@tonyrobinson7740 4 ай бұрын
Is'nt that why we left the EU?
@ParanoimiaUK
@ParanoimiaUK 4 ай бұрын
Does anyone know why the throttle assist speed limit is so low? I had a fairly heavy steel-framed mountain bike in the 90s, with a speedo, and I could get that thing up to 45mph on the flat. A limit on the throttle speed seems a bit irrelevant.
@trottophone
@trottophone 4 ай бұрын
On a legal ebike, the motor should only work when you pedal or when you push the bike uphill, which is why the throttle only works up to walking speed.
@jonaszswietomierz8017
@jonaszswietomierz8017 4 ай бұрын
The reason is that any contraption or machine moving at 6kph or less, is not recognised as a motor vehicle, regardless of power or even fuel source. The thing with the throttle is that it is a recognised loophole, since it doesn't allow for the bike to be used as a motorised vehicle, but only as a slow-moving contraption. This is found in all EU members' road laws, and I assume it has been fossilised in the UK highway code too
@DrRusty5
@DrRusty5 4 ай бұрын
The regulations need to be that any Electric Bike that doesn't conform can't be sold (regardless of the option to ride on private land (off road) as that is unlikely for the majority of the public). This would imeadately make the sale illegal. This would hopefully mean companies focus on selling only complaint bikes and eventually working to shape the regulations (much as the car industry does) going forward.
@illegalopinions4082
@illegalopinions4082 4 ай бұрын
The solution cannot be more ridiculous rules. The principle of privaye land being private is not one to be encroached on under any circumstances.
@iloveimageprocessing
@iloveimageprocessing 4 ай бұрын
Was convinced Ashley was walking it to the local council electrical waste site to drop off the bike.
@mistermyker9994
@mistermyker9994 4 ай бұрын
Their response is hilarious 😂 I understand someone might verbalise something like that with the right audience but never ever put it in writing 🤣🤣🤣
@pauleff3312
@pauleff3312 4 ай бұрын
Electric assisted bikes are a GREAT IDEA where they were to be used to help someone who *doesn't* normally cycle to come out on a spring ride for a couple of hours with someone like me (a regular 100+ miles @~25 miles per journey cyclist). I know that someone who doesn't ride or hasn't ridden regularly for many years or someone coming back to cycling can "seize up" after about 10 miles if that. 25 miles is a long, long way if you've not trained for it... But on a spring day on quiet country roads or on a trail for pleasure - or for getting back into cycling, they are PERFECT if they are used within the bounds as the law intended. As an unaided cyclist riding a "sit up & beg" style bike, I can "fairly compete" with a legal electric assisted cycle on performance (speed & acceleration and endurance over distance until tiredness {ie battery depletion} kicks in)- they ARE a great idea - until the mindset of the "me, me, me, me, ME" brigade kicks in. Young men who haven't grown a brain get themselves into dangerous situations on the roads because they have not been taught to THINK about _INAPROPRIATE SPEED,_ etc. In short a GOOD idea has been abused by bad actors to become a BAD IDEA. Perhaps when the people selling these things are held vicariously responsible for EVERY problem their product may end up causing with fines and prison sentences as well as seizure of assets, it will stop really quickly. For example: - if and when an "electric motor bike" is involved in an accident, the director or the business which sold it gets the same prison sentence as the guy who had the accident, gets equal punishment, it will stop..... 9" kitchen knives are a great idea *in kitchens* after all, eh?
@royfisher6260
@royfisher6260 4 ай бұрын
That looks like a “ Chinese export” CE Not an EU one , the spacing looks wrong, un less it’s because of the wrinkle in the label , did you check if it conforms?
@Rover200Power
@Rover200Power 4 ай бұрын
This is perfect if you want to look like a scally upto no good. All you need is a black trackie, black trainers and a mate sitting uncomfortably on the back. Now you are free to snatch handbags and phones and make an easy getaway.
@GMBasix
@GMBasix 4 ай бұрын
RTA(1988) s143 (users of motor vehicle to be insured) stipulates it’s an offence to use a motor vehicle on a road (or other public place) unless it is insured to the requirements of the RTA1988. You’re quite right to avoid the park - not just because of the risk to children, but because it is a public place to which the RTA applies. However, you may also wish to consider that the act of pushing the bike along the road (which includes the footway) might also constitute an offence under s143, since the offence is ‘using’ not ‘driving’. I think the Five-O would have better things to do, but it is worth bearing in mind. Essentially, this BSO (Bicycle-Shaped Object) has no place on the public highway as an uninsured motor vehicle. PS Would you mind doing a review of some zombie knives for me. If you’re just using them for whittling tent pegs, the rozzers won’t notice a thing 😂
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 4 ай бұрын
Hi Ashley could you review my brakeless fixie? I want you to tell me your thoughts on how comfortable it is to push down the pavement or does the pedal keep bumping into your shin?
@adenwellsmith6908
@adenwellsmith6908 4 ай бұрын
Interesting on the max weight. Another one that's interesting is that the couriers claim exemptions [cargo] but I've not be able to find that. On the motors, its so far over its a joke.
@KrisRogos
@KrisRogos 4 ай бұрын
They seriously went with the "it's not illegal if you don't get caught" defence?!
@michaelmason5459
@michaelmason5459 4 ай бұрын
Just out of curiosity rebuilding a scooter years ago I pushed it to garage for paint job with no engine, police stopped me I explained over engine but was still told its classed as a motor vehicle should not be on road illegally. So if your pushing that illegally electric bicycle on pavement or public highway can you be prosecuted and have it confiscated.
@palemale2501
@palemale2501 4 ай бұрын
The bike might register 31mph with the wheel off the ground, but I expect it will be less with someone on it and driving along the road.
@ashley_neal
@ashley_neal 4 ай бұрын
www.tiktok.com/@ashleynealyoutube/video/7344349432080633120
@palemale2501
@palemale2501 4 ай бұрын
Thanks. Maybe there is an electronic limiter on it, so wheel spins at that max speed of 31mph (makes sense for 30mh speed limits), whether without a ;load, or being ridden..@@ashley_neal
@user-vs9fj1kc1t
@user-vs9fj1kc1t 4 ай бұрын
I expect loads of people are going to tell me I'm wrong now like has happened over the years when I have said this but I have more info know than I had in the past. An ebike can have a throttle that can take the bike to 15.5mph and still be legal. All you have to do is take it too be tested, by the dvsa I think, they will then test the bike including throttle and if everything is legal they will stamp a registration number on the frame and issue you with the paperwork, as it's still only 250w 15.5mph it's still an ebike so no licence or insurance needed. You can do this yourself or buy an ebike from a company that has there bikes tested before sale, I know there is atleat one in the uk that does it
@festivitycat
@festivitycat 4 ай бұрын
My jaw dropped when I saw their second reply! Absolutely outrageous!
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