Only in England would there be a system requiring individual bikes to be approved, instead of a representative example. What a nonsense.

A loophole for mobility impaired people is so needed. For someone with early arthritis or chronic fatigue an e-bike with throttle is a lifesaver.

As you just demonstrated, no loophole is needed, because Dibble doesn't give a stuff. If you want extra security, wear a puffa jacket with a DeliverEats bag on your back, don't have any lights and ride with your mobile phone in your hand. Then you can blast your 750W Allegro electric motorcycle at 30mph on pavements without anyone blinking twice. There's no point in being legal when criminality is never sanctioned.

I'm an old guy, getting rolling before I have both feet on the pedals is key, before wobbling and falling off, LOL.

So many people cycling around illegally, do the police ever check? I was in Leicester during the week and the city centre is plagued with fast food delivery guys speeding around on electric bikes, very few are using pedals and no way they are restricted to 15.5 mph.

It's not a loophole. It just proves a specific ebike meets the criteria set out by the standard. There's nothing to stop anyone else putting their existing throttle ebike through an SVA test. All the information is available. Even a more powerful ebike can be put through an SVA test and ridden as a moped, scooter or motorcycle. It's all possible and could work out cheaper than buying and electric moped or scooter from the outset. People build their own cars and motorcycles, so why not?

I've got MS, and this could be great to get me back outdoors, where a traditional pedal bike is too much for my leg weakness.

The best part about a throttle on these little ebikes is that at a complete stop at an intersection is that it gets you OUT of the way of cars at the intersection. The cars are not waiting for the rider getting frustrated waiting for "that damn bike", We zip into the bike lane in better control, out of the way, no wobble. You know how rider and bikes wobble at the start? Which aggravates the car driver... I bet you do a study proving that the throttle, going up to 15-18mph in a smooth fashion may actually change the law? Its safer for sure. Cheers.

Wisper eBikes already do this with their Full Throttle option. They get every eBike individually type approved with the DVLA so you can use the throttle up to 15.5 mph without pedalling. It costs about £300 extra.

The issue with this is, the government is currently considering the legality of using the throttle for use above the 3.7mph ish max speed and raising the speed limit above the current 15.5mph but if they are going to make money from individuals or company applying for the legality of these then they won’t change anything.

This could help me so much with my mobility issues, i appreciate u going into detail in that area

Got my Cruiza last week, it's great for commuting, the throttle comes into it's own after a long day at work, i was lucky and mark had my bike already approved, only took a few days to arrive in scotland. great bikes, great company.

With no seat height adjustment, it needs to be throttle controlled. It would like pedalling a bmx bike only 5 times heavier if the battery ran out. But its a pretty cool looking piece of transport.

Forget these, just look into the Lankeleisi MG740 Plus, it's 2000 Watt, 48 Volt, 20 Amp and actually is a bike. Thank me later

All E-bikes, that were made before 1st Jan. 2016. that has a throttle control, are legal. I used to own a 2015 Oxygen Hybrid E-Bike, with the l throttle. The engine cut out at 15.5mph. 😊

Jumping through so many hoops and at all times increasing the cost of the bike while more money goes to the DVSA. Such a messed up system we have here in the UK. Remember the electric scooter trial that they are still dragging out?

General requirements - EAPC classification The EAPC regulations[footnote 1] as amended[footnote 2] set out the requirements that EAPCs must satisfy if they are not to be treated as motor vehicles when used on roads in GB - i.e. do not need to be licensed and registered etc. The requirements are the: cycle must be fitted with pedals that are capable of propelling it. maximum continuous rated power of the electric motor must not exceed 250 Watts. electrical assistance must cut-off when the vehicle reaches 15.5 mph (Note: the previous limit on motor power for bicycles and the restrictions on weight, and the number of wheels an EAPC may have, were removed on 6 April 2015). An EAPC which complies with the above is not considered to be a motor vehicle within the meaning of the ‘Road traffic regulation act 1984’ and the ‘Road traffic act 1988’. As a result, it is not required to be registered or subject to vehicle excise duty (road tax), and does not have to be insured as a motor vehicle. However, EAPCs must not be ridden by anyone under the age of 14 years[footnote 3]. Power assistance - “Twist and Go” Because of the particular benefits for elderly and disabled users, pedal cycles providing electrical assistance without use of the pedals - usually called “Twist and Goes” - are included in the above GB classification provided they are capable of pedal operation and comply with the above restrictions on maximum motor power and assistance cut-off speed. However, under European law[footnote 4] new “Twist and Go” vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads. This will normally be established by “type approval” at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved.

As a uk motorcyclist we call it a twist grip as opposed to the thumb throttle, I own 20 motorcycles one of which is the electric victory empulse TT. Keep safe, 2 wheels = freedom😊

Mine goes 33 mph. Police have seen me loads over the last 2 years and no problems. I got stopped on my electric skateboard but that was advice about visibility for car drivers to see me. The bikes great only 900!

*Heard companies doin this per individual ebike,* well done to them! ⚡️👏🏽👏🏽👌🏽👌🏽⚡️ Good-lookin ebikes too!

My MiRider GB3 has a throttle, and as long as you’re moving your legs in a pedalling motion, it will push you along at 15.5mph

Love your energy and nice video editing/script ❤

I prefer e-bikes that are more alike traditional bikes in terms of design and geometry. Those more motorcycle alike e-bike invites you to throttle. Would be nice to see some e-bike with thumb throttle as the ones we get with quadricycles, in a ebike with a invinting geometry to pedal.

As somebody with many different injuries, over time everything gets harder, my e-bike is a life saver for me to get about.

fair play to the company going through the whole registration process. Hope it doesn't bankrupt the business and the e bikes don't increase in price

I got 2 fat tire folding ebikes in the USA & took the chainring & chain off. Disconnected the cadence sensor & put a crank arm with both pedal hanging down as foot pegs swinging free. Just use thumb throttles & the cops could care less.

Hi, This is great news for me, I'm in my 70's and basically my lungs a re knackered and I can't walk very far, so riding a bike is out of the question. I fly a drone and live in Cumbria and have been looking for this type of bike, which must fold so I can get it in the boot of my car to get to some out of the way places up some tracks. As I said there is no way I would attempt to try and walk up even a slight incline and some of the places are about 3/4 mile to where I would fly my drone. Would the folding version do the job, the max distance would be about 1 1/2 miles round trip and could I do it without having to pedal at all. Thanks.

Having no seat height adjustment would be a big no for me as I like to pedal and put effort in.

Iv been using my Iretta 2 here in Finland for around 2 years now and its basically the same bike with only no throttle, and i enjoy using it even if im 183 cm tall.

My MiRider with 250w motor and throttle requires no effort but pedals do need to turn for throttle to work up to 15.5mph. Great mode of transport 👍

If you convert an existing bike or build your own from parts then you can have a throttle legally, because the law only refers to bikes that are manufactured for sale not DIY or conversions.

Thanks to your channel I just ordered the Pedibal Navigata® Folding Electric Bike with throttle!!!!!!

My electric bike has a twist throttle and was built in the 80s would you believe. It was a prototype designed for towing stuff round an airport. It's got modern batteries and can go about 15 mph.

This looks great just what I was looking for, need a bike to commute to work but has been so hard finding a fun cruiser at a decent price without going into high end mountain bike territory.

Is the battery Hailong 1/2 type?

Does it comewith proper road tyres? Knobbly tyres are designed for mud off road and very slippery on a wet road.

Nice to see you relax mate. All the best to you and family 👍🖖⭐

Perfect video, perfect presenter. Subbed. Also, now missing London.

Question is, if you get a EAPC certified electric cycle and then after purchase make any changes to it - would it then need to be re-certified?

If the assisted speed limit is up to 15 or so MPH then throttle assistance to 15 MPH shouldn't be an issue. Great video.

Hi I've got a engwe ep2 if i keep throttle off and keep it at 15.5 is that ok for uk law

A moped has always been legal up to 50cc on a provisional license right?

I need this. Like the white folding one which I want to see your video on. I have COPD so I am particularly interested in having one of these. With, a spare battery to get me out of trouble if I need a bit of extra distance and with a rear rack bag and twin panier bags. Possibly a front rack and bag.

Amazing! Very interesting to see a twist n go now legal! This puts me in a position to now look at them! As a 6’ 2” large build oldish guy (56) would it take my weight and not suffer? Or is there a weight & height limit on these bikes? I say weight I’m around 19st but don’t look it, if that makes sense? Oh I also now subscribe thank you for the info and interesting video 👏

I ride my ebike for exercise. PAS is for assistance when needed which could be a strong head wind as well as a couple of road bridges.

Hi. Can I get a dvsa certificate for any ebike with a throttle. Is so how do I go about getting one please? Thanks. Wayne

Looks handy , but how long is that battery going to last range wise without pedalling , you can guarantee that oldies and people that just want to get from point A To point B without effort will use it that way. And I’m not being disparaging about that , just saying some people will use it that way. The pedal position is a fail imo , or is it the non adjustable seat ? Either way that would play havoc on the old knees.

To be fair it's not an achievement to have made this bike legal. It's a problem that this is illegal in the first place.

Can you do a video review of the Pedibal Navigata?

Super interesting video! Finally, twist and go is starting to arrive!!

Great video, can Mark Price Legalise any e-bike or does he just do his own?

Batribike have been doing this for years with a triger throttle not with a twist throttle as stated in legal jargon, small movement of the pedals & pres the throttle the motor kicks in.

Does it deal with potholes?

under the old uk ebike regs all ebikes had a trottle and trikes c5 any one but had max motor power of 200w not 250w and these where extreamly slow most ran off lead acid batterys tga made one it ran of 2 17ah /pre 1994 15ah 12v batterys for 24v 200w 3 speed hub twist and go 200w motor by EMD (ALSO USED TO OPEN ROLLER SHUTTER DOORS ) LOL

The fact that the builder has to certify every single one separately really tells you how silly the ebike law is! Even in Belgium they have throttle and up to 1000 Watt (that's Bafang H550, for example) exempted upon type-approval. Simply because Belgium was the wisest EU country and essentially merged L1e-A vehicles with official EAPCs (as long as the top speed is 25 kph).

Pre-2016 ebikes could have a throttle all the way up to 15.5 mph when the law changed under "granddad rules" you could still legally ride one as it was bought before the law changed, how do I know as I have got one and still riding it today

Never a copper around when you want one!

the motor is a bafang go60/62, these are rated at peaks of 750w/1kw, so dvla will type approve any bike as long as it has a speed limiter.

If this is under L1e, do you need to wear a motorbike helmet and not a bicycle helmet ?

2 grand with a 614wh battery.

This is exactly the sort of ebike I've been looking for. Since I was 27 (35 years ago), I've had a left leg full of metal and as I've got older, its got harder to bend my knee far enough to pedal. And about 6 years ago I sold my last road bike, as it was impractical for me to pedal any more. We badly need a change in the law to allow those of us with disability to be able to use throttle ebikes. Personally I'd like a cargo bike like the Urban Arrow, but with just a throttle. I also think the 18mph limit for assist is set too low to be safe. It needs to be at least 30mph to keep up with urban traffic. I regularly managed average speeds over 30, when I was fit. And a lot faster than that when downhill gradients and fearless youth were involved! So 30mph seems perfectly reasonable to me. If that means insurance etc then I'm fine with that too. Even a safety test like that for the likes of the Citroen Ami in France for 14 year olds.

Nice that seat looks comfy

Actually, type approved means that they only need to see one bike and then any other identical bikes will then automatically type approved under the same make and model. I use to do this with kit cars and its the same process for car manufacturers

11:29 - They're the "knobblies" on knobbly tyres. Same as the term used in motocross.

Yeah its not LEGAL YET! Applies to England, Scotland and Wales Summary Seeks views on proposed changes to the regulations on electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs or e-cycles). This consultation closes at 11:59pm on 25 April 2024 Consultation description The government proposes 2 changes to the regulations on electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs or e-cycles): to amend the legal definition of EAPCs, so that the maximum continuous power output of the electric motor is 500 watts instead of 250 watts to allow ‘twist and go’ EAPCs to have throttle assistance up to 15.5mph (25km/h) without the need for type approval This consultation asks: for your views on the proposed changes about any benefits or risks you think the changes may have

I grew up in the 80s. Apache have resurrected:) Its like seeing a modern apache.

Little electric Skateboards are still illegal here in the backwards UK LOL.

They used to sell things similar to this in catalogues. They had 50cc engines and a shopping basket, for £499.

Is an electric bike with a throttle and top speed of 40kph (25mph) legal to ride if the rider has a full Motorcycle licence, a legal helmet and insurance?

I have one it's great at a red stoplight and you don't have to change gears anymore.

I wonder if you can get the Fiido Q1 or Q2 with the paperwork? It's got a throttle, speed of an e-bike... but *cheeky grin* no peddles for the pretend game of "no I'm really exercising"

The illegal high powered bicycles are very often used by criminals, because they cannot be tracked and are very cheap. In general the police looks for dangerous/reckless driving, before they stop you when using electric bicycle. As far as legislation goes, updating the legislation to allow people to use high powered bicycles as a means of transportation will probably never happen, because of the legislators and their understanding. Using 750-1000 Watt motor in throttle only mode costs 25 pence per 20-24 miles, which is roughly 1£ per 100 miles. Considering the UK has some of the most expensive electricity on the planet it's still cheaper than having any other mode of transport. it can be parked easily, doesn't cost much to maintain, takes very little space and as long as you drive it safely it will cause much less damage in an accident. Yes high powered bicycles can be really dangerous and are often used by criminals, but the criminals use night venues and bars as well to do illicit business. You don't see any restrictions on people using these venues, but there are restrictions on using high powered bicycles. Yes we own the bicycles, but there are hundreds of stolen ones on the streets as well, so ownership cannot be regulated easily and recovery of stolen ones is almost impossible. Putting limits on everyone however and refusing to make them legal is also not a solution and is doing a lot more harm. There are people that can benefit greatly from owning a high powered bicycle and they are much more environmental and budget friendly than cars or mopeds and even city transport.

I’m confused as I have a certificate stating that my my 750 watt throttled whisper bike is Road legal for 15 mph so why is this the first ?

Whisper ebikes have effectively done this for years. Pay an extra £100 and they get your new (Whisper) ebike certified, full throttle allowed (up to 15.5mph). On other bikes full throttles are allowed so long as they work through the pedal assist system. Instant power upto 6kmh then if you are turning the pedals full power to 15.4mph. Rad power on their 250w bikes use this system, but not now easily available. Woosh ebikes have produced some bikes like this also. Don't know why they are not much more common.

I don't understand this as clearly states in the ebike law the throttle MUST Cut-out at 3.6mph and its only for use with older folk and people who have difficulty in pushing the crank round to 4mph to kick in the motor on take off! I myself have just applied for such approval! Having a disability with my leg so i need to apply for permission to add the throttle and must cut out at 3.6mph then i can pedel and kick the motor in at 4mph! I would have this double checked it just sounds like it's been a mix up! According to the law anyway it's still illegal

Anyone could of done this so longs that you meet the legal requirements for it to be road safe get the right documents and so on.

Why is UK government so restrictive on stuff like this? Afraid us plebs might have some fun!?

Its still 250 watt motor so its ideal as a peddle assist, having a hand throttle means the battery will have reduced range also peddles will still be needed for hills . As a senior I prefer peddle assist for health benefits, using a hand throttle the humble bike becomes a moped .

I haven't got a throttle on my ebike and I don't want one, what I do want is enough power to get up the hills and where I live even 750w bikes struggle

The law is very simple. 1. Motor less than 250W? - it fails 2. Throttle cuts out at 6 kph? if fails 3. Assist cuts out at 15.5 mph If it fails any of those tests, its a motorbike. You need a type certificate, insurance, a kite marked helmet, number plate, register the motorbike with the DLVA. Then you can use it on the road.

Wisper have been offering this option on their bikes for a while.

That 250 watt motor has not got the torque needed imo. They already know that heavy bikes and heavy riders need at least 60nm to go up hills no pedalling so are debating this issue. If you live on a hill then wait for/buy the 500w motor.

This reminds me of the Soviet Union where every single typewriter was registerd with specific samples of its type so that who ever wrote out anti gov material could be searched from the typewriter database.

Can they do this with any bike or just ones they manufacture?

Thats great but what about the ridiculous Tax on imported ebikes 6% Third country Duty plus 17.2% Countervailing duty plus 62.1% Anti dumping duty plus tax on tax of 20% vat. A grand total of 122.4% tax on top of the cost of the bike and the cost of shipping. All to protect a non existent Uk Ebike manufacturing sector.

That Pedibal E-Cruiza is majorly cool! Not as cool as the NewGen (RIP) but still, it would probably carry me, which is a bonus! Now if Pedibal wanted to be even cooler, a Metallic Orange frame ... The Navigator is the one that makes most sense for a commuter ... at 19 kg ... and it looks very elegant in white!

loads of high power throttle e bikes with big motors and extra batteries can be found at fast food places, they do far more than 15 mph

What’s your daily E-bike Eilis?

Great video, Eilis, good to see the huge smile on your lovely face. The idea of the loophole is brilliant, but the chafing frame thing is weird, not for everyone. This is better than an escooter, it makes people want to get about responsibly without a car. No worries about the police though, they are far too busy sorting out Twitter spats to do look out for people committing crimes! Well done.

Eilish, you must review the Volt Lite when it comes out this summer. 75 Nm of torque and a Bafang motor!

At least it's a twist in the right direction.

You need to get over the the USA and ride some of the bikes here, even my Class 2 that many think is insipid is more powerful that that one, and does 20mph on the throttle.

whens the 30mph version coming out ?

You should di a video series in getting an ebike tyoe approved as a moped. There are a few videos online from the likes of andy kirby who did it a few years ago. Insurance is possible and a cbt is pretty easy to get so the video series could be quite in depth.

can you ride it on a cycle track if its been approved for road?

That's a good start, hopefully there will be more type approved ebike to be sold in the UK. Or even, better, to allow a full speed throttle to be classified as EPAC. I see there is a red button near the throttle, is that a kill switch? If it is, good safety design... Hopefully there will be an hydraulic brake (with power cutoff) version of that ebike...

Suspension=absorbtion of forward momentum=reduced range. Fat tyres=increased rolling resistance=reduced range😢

Gotta avoid that chafing on the lower extremities! 😅

Be good to see a review on the pedibal folder if possible? :-)

The thing I really struggle getting an answer to is will it fit in an estate car? A van yes, but estate cars have smaller silly doors. This is where I get to use the word aperture in its traditional sense. I struggle to get even a normal bike through the aperture to gain access to my estate cars copious interior space. It's okay for a shopping bag but not a big stretchy bike. I need dimensions to get through the "access hole" (That's why someone invented the word aperture} because if you put this in your car at home and then take it to Private land, even council owned private land, somewhere you walk your dog type of private land, you could get a 1000 watt one and the police couldn't touch you as long as it goes back in your car to take it home and never sees the public road. So will it fit in an Audi A4? Or do I need to buy a van in order to buy a bike that is road illegal but legal to rag about in open countryside? At this rate I need to buy a van in order to get a powerful bike and also move to Scotland for the fun rough stuff free of coppers. And I'd probably get arrested for a hate crime somehow if I did that.