*riding

Because as Alex Belfield said, sanctimonious prick

I appreciate your point but I think it's more likely that he does not know who Ash is. His refusal was likely just a defensive measure.

@@apkk5594 Yes, but it was very clear it was a driving instructor so I think Vine was scared of been critised.

Coming to cycling from a Dutch perspective as purely a means of transport that everyone uses I don't get the cyclist identity. Nor do I get using sports / racing bicycles for commuting in an urban environment - they are just not as suitable.

Let's just make it clear for everyone, he is a professional agent provocateur. Another useful idiot character created to divide and antagonise us, the plebs. To me he is a better comedian than his equally cringe worthy brother.

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No, he's setting out to be the victim

Is this the same guy who hoodwinked the jury and the judge into saying that he was going to kill himself because of Alex belfield The guy who likes an argument because he's on television and he thinks he's somebody !

Spot on. Wasn’t he a victim in court just recently?

Jeremy Vile, sorry Vine is a journalist of the middle class metropolitan elite kind, that should say it all very smug and arrogant for starters. He seeks out conflict on the roads in the same way that far too many drivers with dash cams do, always looking for a situation to post on social media or in the case of Vine even subject matter for discussion on either his channel 5 TV show or his Radio 2 show. You have to ask yourself why he refused to submit the unedited footage? Maybe because for the most part it was a non event perhaps and it was edited to make it look bad? As for the taxi driver, the overtake was pointless, it was a 20mph speed limit and it gained absolutely nothing.

Kensington High Street is currently quite .. er .. interesting. The Council decision to remove a trial semi-segregated Govt funded cycle lane before they had even fully installed it is up for Judicial Review in the spring. Does JV represent cyclists? Depends on your definition of "cyslist", I guess. In drawing attention to dangerous behaviour by motor-vehicle drivers, he represents me. In this video I think Ashley is correct in pointing out a mistake by JV (staying between parked cars 100m+ apart); I'd also add that his initial pull in front of the taxi was a little late - should have moved earlier.

His "good reason" was to assert his status over less wealthy plebs and then shame them to millions of people on whatever platform he's using. He's a nasty bully.

@@leadenskies2217 I genuinely am baffled by people like you who seek to excuse the unnecessary and intentional obstructive behaviour of people like Vine. The cabbie didn't give enough space and the cyclist intentionally sought to provoke the cabbie into doing exactly what he did. The cabbie fell for the bait and has to improve. Vine is a cretin and people like you who defend him are awful tbh. Stay off the road.

@@tooshlong and then he boo-hoos if someone has the gaul to do it to him. Utterly vile person.

I am a cyclist, I do drive a vehicle, and I totally agree with you. Ashley is in no way biased towards one form or the other.

Jeremy is missing Alex Belfield

Yes he should have moved back and he was wrong not to do so. However, the cab should have given more room when it was clear that wasn't going to happen. Keep in mind the cab driver has a responsibility for the cyclists safety.

@@apkk5594 And nothing happened, so safety checked.

Where on earth did you get that amazing insight? 😂. Saying Vine likes confrontation is like saying the Tories are incompetent. fact

And there’s something unedifying about a multi millionaire using his platform to berate a guy trying to make a living carrying people around the city. I am not defending the taxi driver. However, in general I like to give taxis a little leeway. A few minutes here and there won’t make any difference to my income.

We need seperated cycle lanes both ways left and right that dont magically end. Then there will be no cyclists on road.

I'll 2nd that.

agreed

No harm in being biased against cars though.

I'll 3rd that

Neal IS bias against people riding bikes, too often he equates their actions as being equal to that of a motorist, he's ignorant of who has the greater responsibilit, and ignorant of road craft and positioning and continues with the victim blaming BS regards the vulnerable having to constantly do something to not get killed (this doesn't work in practice overall as the ones doing the harm just take more and more risks) or get out the way of people operating killing machines instead of the other way around! his idiocy regards using the horn around people on bikes, including children, is pathetic, wilfully ignorant and dangerous!

This post is disgusting. Why are you encouraging being a grass.

Yeah I noticed that

@@kerraptregolls4929 Correct, He overtook a slower cyclist as they needed to move out, Mr considerate as usual

He's a Karen lol

Lol!

Nothing innocent about him

You could have fixed the door or suggested to the shop owner to fix it. Customers expect most shop doors to close behind them.

@@flumpaustin1994 believe me when I say we begged for many basic things and rarely received them. When you work in an off brand pound shop for minimum wage, chances are the owner doesn't care about you.

I appreciate that!

@@ashley_neal is that mold on your rear head liner looks like you have a leak 👍

Yes, good analysis. I think it is worthy to suggest Vine didn't appear to care for his own safety. Then the taxi driver then acted similarly. It was a situation which was handled badly. Good to show how they should have acted. Agree 100%.

Jeremy riding in the dark in heavy traffic wearing black clothing with no hi viz vest, yeah he really cares about safety 😂

Not quite an equal comparison - JV didn't hurt anyone here, he was just inconsiderate. The taxi driver didn't have a right to then do a dangerous overtake in response. JV was inconsiderate and bad at sharing the road but he didn't endanger the driver. JV should obviously have moved back over when it was clear to do so.

@@Met182 so for JV not to move back It just shows you what sort of character he is He is one of those guys who thinks he is right ,when he is clearly , in the wrong !

@@Met182 I get what you're saying, but even if it was going to be 20 seconds before the next obstruction it is completely unnecessary to overtake somebody in traffic like this. As we saw the taxi was going to be stuck behind cars at the next lights anyway. The taxi won't be travelling faster than a cyclist through that part of London at that time, so it is safest to not attempt an overtake at all, especially when it is to no gain whatsoever for either party.

The taxi driver will have seen a stopped vehicle in his lane and two cyclists ahead of him in the same position also needing to move out a lane. Taxi driver then moves early and accelerates to occupy the space the cyclists are obviously about to move into. Pointless, dangerous manoeuvre (whether done to cyclists or drivers)

@@nonyobisniss7928 so , according to your analysis they are both in the wrong then .

He fails to see that he has more in common with bad motorists than good cyclists. As a mixed road user, I would have returned to the left. When I'm on the bike on town roads I'm constantly looking for that balance: dominating the road when I need; keeping left when I can allow those behind me to overtake safely.

I know of cyclists who wear headphones and never look behind them, their attitude is they can’t do much about being hit by a dangerous driver, so they'd rather not know about it. I can see the logic, the risk is still relatively low compared to some other activities. But it's not for me. I manage the stress by turning it into a game, actively managing every overtaking vehicle using my road position. I mainly ride on lightly trafficked country roads; a mirror paired to a Garmin radar has been revolutionary. I can totally relax when riding, knowing the radar will notify me of approaching vehicles. So I ride in primary most of the time, when the radar tells me a vehicle is approaching I check the mirror and decide what to do. If there’s a pinch point, blind bend or oncoming car, I stay primary and watch/listen to make sure the car is slowing. I then actively move to secondary when it’s safe for them to pass - but never wave them through. This pretty much works a treat. I’ve had the occasional numpty driver beep their horn or swerve at me for riding primary, but by then they have at least slowed down and I’ve got the space to move left out of the way. I do also occasionally pull over if there’s a convenient place and it’s a large vehicle like an HGV, school bus, combine harvester, tractor etc. It’s easier to do with the radar as you spot them early and I mostly ride solo, so stopping is also easier than in a group.

Communication. I take that point about it changing your mindset. How I do it is communicating with the good drivers, with a thumbs up of a wave. I also make use of road road positioning, making it clear I'm happy for a pass or not. That said, I think driving standards are somewhat better here.

It’s fair to say, people feeling relaxed on the roads whether in a car or on a bike are the problem. No, you didn’t feel relaxed riding on the roads. Good, you shouldn’t. If I had my way, car seats wouldn’t be comfortable either so drivers can’t relax. Maybe with less relaxing everyone will be more alert and stop making journeys that are beyond their concentration ability.

Absolving and pushing focus onto the vulnerable to get out of harms way NEVER imprioves safety, that's because without having to act, the ones posing the threat never change habits and in fact take even more risks knowing that others are likely to get out the way, except they don't or can't, and then you get the victim blaming BS brigade like Neal!.

@@ynotnilknarf39 More about common sense and self preservation than being antagonising the driver and forcing someone to do something

@@ynotnilknarf39 You are only demonstrating your own stupidity and inability to respond in a balanced manner.

@@135Ops whatever, as a health and safety professional for 25 years in multiple fields and studied the stats regards many factors surrounding KSIs and injuries in the workplace plus the psycholog as to wh humans behave I know I'm more qualified to comment. But keep trying sonny!

@@ynotnilknarf39 DID ELON REALLY MANAGE TO SEND SOMEONE TO ANOTHER PLANET???

Totally agree regarding the speed. Passing is about space, type of vehicle and speed. I agree about having a minimum distance but in some situations (mostly in crowded cities) a bit more consideration and tolerance (from everyone) would be nice.

The taxi driver cut in because of the proximity of the central reservation! The same reservation that Jeremy could see when he could have chosen to make room for the overtaking taxi. The same reservation that the taxi driver should have seen to make the decision not to pass. The pass didn't look that close, but there was not room to pass because of the reservation and Jeremy's position as it was clear at this point that the cyclist was not moving back towards the kerb even though there was space. I don't accept the no right turn argument as vehicles (probably more so bicycles) pull over to the right of the road for all sorts of reasons. This is a case of a road user being inconsiderate and acting like a dick and being surprised that others act like dicks towards him. A good road user should not react to others bad decisions, but we don't live in a world full of "Ashley's" (not even Ashley's behaving like he knows he should... in hindsight... when calm..... in the warmth of his car.... and when filming.....).

Vine is a journo’ and is just escalating events to obtain ‘content’…….he should stick to dancing…😂

@@peterthompson9854 That's a technicality, the central reservation didn't force him to do anything, except inform the better decision to hang back as you quite rightly said. He could have slowed and gone in behind the cyclist even at that late stage. Note I'm not exonerating Jeremy at all, he should have made room and certainly should have let it go rather than escalating, but the driver did make a couple of poor calls. The takeaway, as in most cases, is not "about 'oooh killed 'oooh" (Monty Python) but that nothing really happened and yet there was still an unnecessary barney, in this case fuelled by Jeremy. I thought the taxi driver actually dealt with that pretty calmly.

Yeah even as a cyclist you have a duty to avoid, cause and create accidents if you can reasonably do so.

I would refer to him as a bell end.

That would have been reasonable, but I admire Ashley for making such a point of not stooping to Vine's level. A more effective reproach, in my opinion.

I think they call it projection 🙂

You're right of course, but keep in mind that the balance is still against the cab who has a responsibility for the cyclists safety as per the highway code changes.

@@apkk5594 . Exactly, like the situation of a pedestrian in the road, just because they shouldn't be there, does not give anyone the right to put them at risk.

The only problem is you should never assume anything, ether as a road user or in life.

Then the cab should have held back.

@@lamf4846 technically yes. Jeremy wasn’t overtaking anything, is that an offence to stay out in lane two?

Vine loves division

I agree with the senitment, but I feel like this phrase usually means "don't make a fuss".

I wouldn't. I'd read the road ahead for other obstructions & only enable the overtake if they were likely to clear them before I got there. I'd also be wary of being able to move out again safely if I was being passed by cars travelling close together at speed.

What would have been the point of letting the cars pass here? Just more to filter past at the lights. You need to look ahead and read the road!

If i was the driver in this video I would have noticed that there was a queue of traffic 50 yards down the road and not bothered overtaking the cyclist

@Advanced Driving I agree, but he did catch him up to have a whinge so I guess you had to be there.

@Advanced Driving I guess I'm lucky a lot of the cabbies where I am are considerate and cautious when I encounter them on my bike. Often 10pm or later, when they can be in the majority. It's most dangerous when it's most pointless, around 5pm.

I cycle ALL the time - and never have problems with motorists. The vast majority are considerate and helpful. Vine would seem to attract conflict?

@@hittitecharioteer He's a journalist, conflict is the only thing that matters to them, as they wouldn't have a job without it. I'm not saying that as a criticism, except when it's creating hazards on the road when they could be avoided. I think I would have moved to the left and I don't think the pass was bad really considering the closing speed.

@@hittitecharioteer Good to hear, we all have a place on the road. Keep well and safe.

@@chrisburn7178 yip it's all they know drama and misrepresentation...

@@hittitecharioteer I cycle all the time as well. I pretty much guarantee I will get at least one very close pass and many dubious passes on every journey. Yes, the vast majority are considerate but a fraction of a percent is all it takes to create issues.

Spot on.

nope, the guy on the folding bike should not have tried to come up JV's inside - he was actually pushing JV out towards the overtaking taxi.

Vine was doing the overtake and didn’t provide room. It would seem he was focusing on positioning himself to be beside the parked car at the time to create a situation with the taxi but the taxi didn’t overtake

Is anybody? Not sure I've met a single person that likes him

the good news is that Elon Musk appears to be doing everything he can to end twitter.

How I so agree with you, not enough brain engaged before tweeting. It really brings out the worst in us.

KZfaq is a hundred times worse than twitter

And Ashley likely contributes to Vine's wages by paying his TV license. Insult to injury.

@@charlesjackman143 that's right, you in the UK get your driving license for life, but have to pay your TV license every year.

Vine clearly doesn't watch the channel, If he did, he would know how balanced Ash will be.

I feel bad for Ashley. He’s received to much abuse in the past from motorists who disagree with the amount of respect he shows to cyclists, and now Vine has the nerve to say that. 😂

Cyclists seem to be yet another group of people who can not be spoken against. They are joining the list of poor, easily offended, always right victims that don't wish to join a discussion, but only control it.

The taxi driver did hang back when the bellend signalled right. He only overtook when the bellend continued in the right lane. The bellend did claim that “there was no right turn there” but he could have been going across the road to stop at any of the shops or properties on the other side.

@@peterthompson9854 And the irony of that is the vast majority of commuter cyclists, particularly in London, are middle aged, middle class, white males (like Vine). So amongst the most privileged and well connected individuals in society.

Could not have said it better myself, i dont watch MSM and the BBC was the 1st propaganda machine i stopped watching, vile vine is evil, his job is to divide the people and this he does very well unfortunately

@@desmondfryer6799 Sounds like we're on the same wavelength Desmond.

Oh, please get off the fence!!

That editing was painful! How old is he, 15?

It's like James Bond from Lidl

You mean taxi driver?

@@pifko87, no, I mean a regularly assessed class 1 HGV driver

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Yeah it's all give and take with what you've got in front of you can't expect miracles in a non perfect setting.

I don't see how getting almost killed on a daily basis is no big deal

Precisely..no need to make a fuss about nothing.

Jeremy vine's entire career seems to be about antagonising folk. Can't stand radio 2 in the afternoon but that's what's on and I can't change it. So even in the north we're not safe from him.

I'm sure you do, but it's driving like this that puts less confident cyclists off riding on the roads.

A bit of a knob? Oh, come now, he's achieved a far greater degree of knobness than that.

We all know vile vines agenda, despicable man, just as despicable as Alex belfield if not worse, id say worse

So desperate to create conflict that he stopped on opposite direction lane to have the argument.

yep, AN quickly glossed over that one as it doesn't fit his narrative.