Ask An Orthodox Priest #11 - How Does Secular Music Affect Us? Q&A

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Fr. Timothy Pavlatos is the Pastor of St. Katherine's Greek Orthodox Church in Chandler, Arizona.
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@zebibmesgina1107 3 ай бұрын

The prist has a kind voice ❤

@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz 3 ай бұрын

He is a kind man. A gentle soul. This is venerable. So is his beard.😊

@merg-vh5sx 3 ай бұрын

Eight years a Christian. I can now recognise the peace of Christ in a person (progress!) but I'm nowhere near having it myself. Pray for me. Father Timothy is beautiful.

@Stupidityindex 3 ай бұрын

How can it possibly be ethical, not to condemn the believer in god? "My sheep hear My voice" is the mindset of slavery. Jesus Christ is failing for 2000 years to convince Jews God puts the New Wine of Christ into the Jew wineskin. We know them by their works: They indoctrinate children. But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. They use the vocabulary of fiction, expecting everyone to pretend God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel. Jesus was alarmed at this gathering crowd, a wicked generation seeking signs. Jesus is reminded the only sign given is that of Jonah. It is by faith in God Jonah offered himself a sacrifice, belief in calming the storm. Jonah 1:15 Then they took Jonah and threw him overboard, and the raging sea grew calm. 16 At this the men greatly feared the Lord, and they offered a sacrifice (perhaps his family & friends or a goat) to the Lord and made vows to him. pomp·ous [ˈpämpəs] adjective affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important: "a pompous ass who pretends he knows everything" archaic characterized by pomp or splendor: "there were many processions and other pompous shows" Translate pompous to Choose language Similar and Opposite Words adjective affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important: self-important imperious overbearing domineering magisterial pontifical sententious grandiose Opposite: modest humble self-effacing

@PhillipLWilcher Ай бұрын

I am a musician/composer/pianist. I have lived my creative life in service to my art as do I pray to Christ, and expression of my Faith, that what I do should serve the Lord, and to the best of my ability. Up until August 20th, 2022, when I lost my father to dementia, I had been his full-time care giver for 12 years. He died several months shy of his 100th birthday, cradled in my arms at hospital. My father had become my child. Since my father's passing, I have been playing piano to end-of-life patients in palliative care. I do this in memory of my father, and to express gratitude to the hospital for caring for both my father and me during the final weeks of dad's life. I am a classical musician. Playing music, and composing music, is a way of prayer for me. When I play for end-of-life patients in palliative care, it is not to distract them from their fate, rather to embrace them within the spirit of Love's kindness itself. I seek to disembody the sound from the instrument as will they soon become a spirit disembodied, to speak to them through Music of heavenly things. The Hungarian music educator, Zoltan Kodaly, said of Music that it was a manifestation of the human spirit. At its most nuance, it is a manifestation of the huma spirit at its most humane, as wholly relative to one's state a sacred thing, as it holy when intone through Grace. At a more personal level, to reflect back over my own life with its varying degrees of challenges, if it were not for Music - if it were not for my creativity - I very much doubt that I would be here. I can only hope the feeling for Eternity I wish to impart to end-of-life patients when playing for them makes for a peaceful transition, and that the rt of music-making at times to precise for words serves as their prayer as much as it has been mine. Blessings!

@ninoslavtrifunovic7038 3 ай бұрын

For that brother/sister who's looking for a priest in Serbia who speaks English, go to monastery Ribnica and look for father Arsenije. He lived in the US and he's fluent English speaker. Now, it's not perfect solution, but good for the start.

@vanfja 3 ай бұрын

Many Serbs speak English. I lived in Serbia for a time and found plenty of English speaking priests. Also when I travel, the non English priests are always accommodating and will hear my confession even if they don’t understand English.

@Orthodox719 3 ай бұрын

About the first question: I have American Orthodox friends, living abroad, who go to the church where the priest don’t speak English and they can’t confess, but they found a solution. One time in two weeks they go to more big town to the church with English speaking priest. And they got a blissing not to confess before Communion. Just one time in two weeks. I hope I helped someone. Best wishes

@Mister2120 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for these videos. I find myself connecting so much to the insights of the priests.

@BrotherLaymanPaul 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the word, Fr Timothy. And thank you for hosting, mods!

@zinnmarx 2 ай бұрын

This man has provided a lot of clarity, thank you

@Orthodoxy.Memorize.Scripture 3 ай бұрын

Ty Fr. for speaking the truth

@faceofhope2024 3 ай бұрын

I love this man beard and wisdom , God bless you. My faith is starting to grow again in these trouble times of the world, stay strong people, cause in the end Jesus is all that matters

@radastojkovic9111 3 ай бұрын

Hi, I live in Belgrade, Serbia and my children's first language is English our priest speaks English and I know there are others. If this person that's moved to Serbia needs any information I am happy to help.

@freddylosangeles1378 3 ай бұрын

..he's truly wise..

@SWAT-Medic1349 2 ай бұрын

I once went to a Slavonic Country, Confession was required to partake of the Body and Blood of Christ. I used my phone to write and translate my sins. It was a blessed event despite the language issue!

@tb8820 3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much Fr. Timothy. Edifying and pertinent answers.

@georgepapatheofilou6118 3 ай бұрын

Kakosim Serbia Agape se esei Love to you Greetings from Sydney Australia

@georgevassalos9666 18 күн бұрын

This Priest speaks words n the meaning of the the words which he speaks are devein

@user-bw7mv3mq8v 3 ай бұрын

Спаси вас Господь!!!

@vodafoneshop2708 3 ай бұрын

Thanks from Orthodox from Ukraine❤

@marylouiselambert9866 3 ай бұрын

Thank you Father. Just to clarify, Eastern, Byzantine Catholics do not pray the filioque. They do commemorate the Pope of Rome.

@marylouiselambert9866 2 ай бұрын

@WestCoastByzantineBoth were commemorated last Melkite Liturgy I attended. I guess it varies.

@marylouiselambert9866 2 ай бұрын

@WestCoastByzantineSadly I haven't been able to attend Melkite since before Covid, too far now. Many wonderful times in years past.

@clairechapman6532 3 ай бұрын

I am Byzantine Catholic, and we do not say the filioque in our creed. We say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, not the Father and the Son.

@Christ_is_Merciful 4 күн бұрын

but they still have a Pope though, unlike the Orthodox

@UCzDwella201 3 ай бұрын

His take on secular music made me so insecure about myself cry😅

@Nongmoblackberrypie 3 ай бұрын

Everyone’s convictions are different, it is ok to listen to music you like, you aren’t committing a sin by listening to some non orthodox music. (I mean as long as it isn’t music that clearly has evil intentions right?)

@bilbo_gamers6417 2 ай бұрын

Everyone's faith journey is different. You are not wrong for enjoying secular music. This man is clearly very passionate about God. He genuinely just is not interested in secular music it seems. You shouldn't feel bad, as long as it is not Seriously Distracting you from God. we are called to be in the world but not of the world... but there is still nothing wrong with being in the world. not everyone is called to cloister themselves lol

@mube8885 2 ай бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

@user-oh3tl7je1q 3 ай бұрын

Correction: Byzantine/Greek Catholics do NOT recite the Filioque in the Creed as it’s not part of their theology. Other Eastern Catholics, like the Maronites, do include it but not the Byzantine churches.

@sidneycline3366 2 ай бұрын

Respectfully, I don't believe Maronites use it either. I have limited experience with them, but it wasn't used at the Church I attended.

@user-oh3tl7je1q 2 ай бұрын

@@sidneycline3366not sure where you attend, but the Filioque is in the official text of the Holy Quorbono, I just looked it up. You do realise that the Maronite Church is one of the most Latinized of the Uniate churches? It’s not surprising. Their liturgy closely resembles the post-Vatican II Mass of the Latin Church.

@sidneycline3366 2 ай бұрын

@user-oh3tl7je1q oh I don't regularly attend a Maronite Church. I have while traveling a few times to only one Church. I apologize if I corrected you incorrectly. I don't believe it was used where I attended but I could be mistaken. I do see mention online that it is not used, but I see in the official text that it is used as well. And I am very aware of Maronite history and they Latinization. Perhaps it has become optional or perhaps I'm wrong. I attend a Byzantine Rite Liturgy, so I'm no expert on the Maronites. Just 2 tines in a Church and 1 class on Maronite history that spoke in very limited fashion on theology.

@user-oh3tl7je1q 2 ай бұрын

No problem! I’m still learning about the Maronite Syriac tradition as well. I’m much more familiar with the Byzantine and Latin rites. Also found out recently that the Maronite liturgy also underwent a reform following Vatican II, so they have a new Ordo of the Mass currently from the 1990s. I think their following Rome’s lead over the centuries has gotten them into modernism nowadays, just look at how they use altar girls, Mass facing the people etc. just like the Latins.

@sidneycline3366 2 ай бұрын

@user-oh3tl7je1q yes that's true. Though not as severe, we see that arising in the Syro-malabars in India and look at all the problems it's causing there. The infiltration of modernist and post-modernist thinking is one of the greatest threats to our traditions and faith.

@nastjavk 2 ай бұрын

I agree about the second music.. I am one year in Orthodoxy and i already have a hard time listening to secular music. And i was musician.

@badnewsbruner 2 ай бұрын

Same here. If something doesn't glorify God, or bring me closer to Him, I don't want anything to do with it. A lot of people struggle with letting secular music go, that and cursing were the first two things I cut out of my life.

@nastjavk 2 ай бұрын

@@badnewsbruner exactly. Its not easy. Even protestant worship songs are secular music for me. Too emotional. Thats not it.

@badnewsbruner 2 ай бұрын

@@nastjavk 90% of protestantism in general is secular. Let us pray for them unceasingly during our great fast 🙏

@nastjavk 2 ай бұрын

@@badnewsbruner very good my brother.. Agree with you 🔥🙏

@kateL991 Ай бұрын

what do orthodox listen to then?? please give me some examples just we can have an ideA

@Nongmoblackberrypie 3 ай бұрын

Some correction, The eastern catholic church does not recite the filioque during liturgy. Their theology regarding it is more complex :)

@maskof 3 ай бұрын

4:43

@ceedub_1983 3 ай бұрын

I live in a non-English speaking country and I just use Google translate 🤷‍♂️ the priest reads what I’ve written and then gives me the prayer of absolution.

@FoundSheep-AN 3 ай бұрын

I have a suggestion by my own experience: try to look up the lists of sins in Serbian or the language of the place and the English translation So you can confess by simply saying the Serbian word for “sloth in prayer” “lustful thoughts” etc

@HermitGhost 3 ай бұрын

I've been a musician my entire life. Music is non material, I believe it's a deeply spiritual experience. And it's difficult for me to think God would place this "worldly" stamp on it and degrade it as a "distraction". I feel this blessed holy father could have given a more nuanced take on the subject.

@SinkingStarship 3 ай бұрын

It depends a lot on what kind of music. The emotions evoked by Led Zeppelin are quite different from those of, say, old timey Appalachian folk music, or a Bach concerto, or sophisticated intellectual jazz like Julien Lage. When “secular music” is brought up in this kind of context it’s usually assumed to be music conjuring dancing, fornication, and passionate behavior, ranging from classic rock to contemporary EDM. I think Fr.’s comments aptly apply to this kind of music, but less so to other types.

@andrewswebpage 3 ай бұрын

As a musician who has dealt with this issue for the last 5 years of being Orthodox, I've come to the conclusion that there is value in both points of view. Music and visual arts can be a practice in glorifying God by making something that "pushes the soul to incline towards the Good" as Tarkovsky, who was a devout Orthodox Christian, put it (highly recommend reading his book on the topic, Sculpting in Time). At the same time, music and art have so much power over ones soul that the consumption of it should very much be scrutinized to the utmost extent. Plus, as artists it's better for us to produce rather than consume too much anyway.

@andrewswebpage 3 ай бұрын

For the past 5 years I've tried to put as much effort as possible into letting my faith inform my art, and I've naturally gravitated towards making simpler, more modest music. If I try to "go hard" or make something that "slaps" or whatever, it just takes away from the core of what could make my music good in the first place.

@HermitGhost 2 ай бұрын

@@andrewswebpage I play death metal. Been writing and recording my own stuff for years. I depart from my contemporaries in the genre in subject matter. Instead of writing lyrics about bringing harm, I write about my struggles with sin. It's certainly not something I would call religious music, or "Christian Metal", but it has been a productive and cathartic experience. Whether or not I'm closer to God in doing this I'm not sure, but it does put me in a position to confront my sins using the gifts God saw fit to grant me.

@donhaddix3770 Ай бұрын

it is not between you and a priest, it is between you and God.

@JanieBee Ай бұрын

Jesus calls us to have fellowship with other Christians as well as helping each other to strive toward a Christ like existence. It can be damning to yourself to just trust your own thinking, and what you may believe God is telling you. Especially if you’re new in your faith it can be hard to decipher things all on your own

@donhaddix3770 Ай бұрын

@JanieBee agree. bible for truth, not doctrine. test it all against the bible, not a church.

@CenterPorchNP 14 күн бұрын

The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church I went to says the original Creed not with the filioque.

@FeWolf 9 күн бұрын

Translator online, write it out, and translate it, print

@user-dv8bs7tb5c 2 ай бұрын

It cannot be just me.. this man sounds exactly like John Malkovich. Its distracting me😅 but im researching

@sidneycline3366 2 ай бұрын

I love your videos Fr, but I must offer a humble correction to this video. Eastern Catholics of the Byzantine Rite do not use the filioque in the Divine Liturgy. I'm not 100% sure about any others, but it is my understanding that no Eastern Catholic Churches use the filioque. They do commemorate the Bishop of Rome and often the local Latin Bishop as well. But, they also commemorate all the Orthodox ritefully dispensing the Faith. Thank you for the videos.

@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz 3 ай бұрын

Slow guy, relax. 'We walk in spirit'. If you read me? This is why we are separated. Spit in my eye again? And I will do nothing. We walk in spirit. What we declare shall come to pass. What I do is like magic to you. It's quite possible I'm your third man. Kingdom Came, Kingdom Be, Kingdom Is. If you read me. I don't care. You feel me, I know you hear me. And also I the one good thing inside of me is I never really a real home, and I am billions. If they knew what I know, what could we do?

@nbinghi 3 ай бұрын

Where is the part about secular music? Was this accidentally mistitled?

@Orthodoxy.Memorize.Scripture 3 ай бұрын

Replay it he talked about that

@Paisios77 3 ай бұрын

4:00 you will find it here

@aiminghigh276 2 ай бұрын

There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. ~Mark 7:15 I don't even have to watch this video to know this is going to be nonsense.

@kvnd6577 3 ай бұрын

I’d like to

@yecksd 3 ай бұрын

why was this reuploaded?

@phantomlord3280 3 ай бұрын

Its gonna be okay buddy

@yecksd 3 ай бұрын

@@phantomlord3280 thanks

@Christ_is_Merciful 4 күн бұрын

@@phantomlord3280what?

@reverendcoffinsotherson5807 3 ай бұрын

I find it hard to believe none of those Serbian priests speak English ...many many people in Serbia speak English

@JHGSP 3 ай бұрын

Many many people and many many priest's are different. Plus you say many many people what does many many even mean? Is this a "source = trust me bro" type of comment?

@vanfja 3 ай бұрын

It depends on where he is in Serbia, but there are definitely English speaking priests in Belgrade who I have gone to for confession. And speaking the language is not the most important thing, confession is the most important and God hears through a priest.

@420.1 3 ай бұрын

Do you always challenge people at their word like this?

@reverendcoffinsotherson5807 3 ай бұрын

@@420.1 no. What an odd question to ask.

@420.1 3 ай бұрын

If Serbia isn’t 100% English speaking then why not believe the person sending in the question?

@melatdemessie808 3 ай бұрын

With all due respect priest, I don’t understand when you say Orthodox Church permits mixed religion marriage. I was born and raised in Ethiopian Orthodox religious family and what we have been thought is couples must have the same religious belief bonded with communion. I’m not saying all Ethiopian orthodox are doing this of course we are human and we do things that we’re not suppose to do however to the best of my knowledge our church does not permit mixed religion marriage so just in case you see this comment Please help me understand this matter better.

@parker2520 3 ай бұрын

It is my understanding that the Ethiopian Orthodox Church is not under or a part of Eastern Orthodoxy but rather Oriental Orthodoxy so there very well might be a difference here. A good youtube channel that discusses the differences between various denominations called Ready to Harvest might have a more in depth explanation on other differences between Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy as well.

@BinaBabic-nd6wp 26 күн бұрын

He Said mix Marriage in Catholic Church

@DannyDL1ght 2 ай бұрын

What is secular music?

@badnewsbruner 2 ай бұрын

Music that isn't holy.

@tinatsigas2274 2 ай бұрын

To know the things of God we must be born from above. God gives us a new heart with new desires to love righteousness. We cannot do it ourselves. Jesus is our high priest we go straight to Him to confess our sins and He is faithful to forgive us. Listening to all the rules and regulations this religion sounds like a cult you need to follow man made rules to be accepted into it. Jesus tells us to follow HIM. They aren’t satisfied bc they are still seeking the truth

@miketacos9034 3 ай бұрын

They can use Google translate while they go up to confession.

@andrewswebpage 3 ай бұрын

Google already knows where I live, what I say and to whom, where I go and when I do anything. My confessions are probably the last thing I have that isn't absorbed into the machine. Probably better to keep it that way

@zander8353 2 ай бұрын

😑 P r o m o s m

@Darthrocker06 2 ай бұрын

Jesus told the disciples how to pray, and it wasn't to priests and he never said to confess sins to a priest...

@badnewsbruner 2 ай бұрын

We don't pray to priests, nor do we confess to them. We confess to Christ, the priest is a witness. I pray that your heart softens in the future, and you come to the true faith, brother.

@Darthrocker06 2 ай бұрын

@@badnewsbruner How judgmental of you to assume my spiritual state

@outrunrider3661 2 ай бұрын

Christ Jesus is my one and only witness. No man is great enough.

@TairyGreen89 Ай бұрын

@@Darthrocker06well you aren't Orthodox are you?