Thank you all for watching! If you are new and didn't know Stoopzz before, he is/was one of the biggest WoW PvP content creators, so i strongly recommend you check out his channel, especially now that he will start covering more variety games *kzfaq.info*

Content Creators quitting left and right. Blizzard "Is the game really this bad? No, it's the Players that are wrong!"

We can easily turn all these reflection videos into a documentary series for television/Netflix

Man, I'm not even playing the damn game, but this whole wow thing is very entertaining

Who would've thought. "The wow-killer" would be Blizzard themselves

I’m sure the forums will just say “another streamer”, but Stoopzz focused on reducing the intimidation factor of arena. His advice to get better by degrees, one thing at a time, while having fun and ignoring your CR instead of just “getting 2400” is the message all new players need to actually get better. Places like skillcapped have great guides, but he made arena development actually seem possible. Also: His BFA Holy Pally guides helped me more than I can ever state. Big loss.

Every one of these "I quit the game I loved for half or more of my life" videos just make me sad. Like I really feel for people realizing they just aren't having fun with what was a huge part of their lives anymore.

It's crazy. Been playing FFXIV for 6 years. I'm lvl 80 in everything, finished with a lot of content. Tonight I logged in, decided to hang with FC for about 30 minutes, then just jumped in random roulettes as heals or tanks to help all the new people with Q times. Then an hour later logged off happy. Wows Chores are horrible compared. However, I see many players get lost in FFXIV because they look for chores and mandatory content. Then take on everything, directionless and become burned out. It's like WoW has taken the skillet of having fun away and replaced it with an unhealthy work ethic.

10:27 - According to Blizzard and their system designer Jeff, this too is Asmongolds fault ;).

Does anyone else find it ironic the expansion That wow is dying is set within the afterlife? I can’t be the only one who finds it ironic

While everyone was doing high end shit, i was the one exploring burning steppes at level 17, and dying to the bloody imps.

every time you post another video of a content creator leaving WoW, i think my favorite part is watching you glow with the nostalgia that bubbles up from old stream videos, and memories that take you back to when you enjoyed the game most. i used to think you were kind of negative person in your streams, but after watching more, i see you were frustrated at the state of a game that used to make you happy. you're actually a very positive person with a balanced viewpoint, that often gives credit where it is due, even when you're critical. i love seeing you light up at the memories of the good times you had with friends playing the games you love most.

Kind of funny, my parents used to get on my case all the time about playing WoW when I lived at home, until my brother went out and got heavily involved in the drug mess and really screwed a bunch of things up for himself, and I'll always remember my mom saying after one really bad night of this, that maybe me sitting inside and just playing games wasn't such a bad thing after all. On a more related to the video note, you absolutely nailed the ONE lesson Blizzard should be listening to: STOP WASTING PLAYER'S TIME. Whatever can be said about FFXIV, good or bad, it respects your time FAR more than WoW does.

This is a really important time in the mmo industry

Blizzard is collapsing and actually pretending all is fine, it’s sad

I was sitting in-game in FFXIV by a river in Gridania, smoking a doob IRL, enjoying that stellar FF music and thinking to myself... Life is good in Eorzea!

in a few years there's going to be a documentary on netflix called "the fall of WoW" featuring all these big streamers i'm calling it now

Back in vanilla WoW I never got to lvl60. I was the dude who got to redridge, found burning steppes, started exploring and found my way to the hinterlands at lvl14. I also had so many alts.

Respect to Stoopzz for wearing his heart on his sleeve with complete honesty on the Internet.

They don't respect their colleagues , the lore, the players or themselves. This is what killed the game.

Does he ever sleep? Every time I turn my pc on there is a new Asmon video.

If I wanted to do chores that badly I wouldn't play a game. Irl skillz bby.

Preach is the craziest one for me. I remember playing MOP and watching preachs class guides. He had like a 1k views per video back then, but they were hands down the absolute best. Bummer dudes, bummer..

Perfectly said in the end: "Stop wasting players time and they will come back and play the game!"

Does anyone have a running tally of how many creators have quit at this point? Slapping the names from replies here, did not include those on "breaks": Preach, Madseason, Nixxiom, Pyromancer, Quazii, Rich, Pint, Stoopzz, WiLLie, Captain Grimm, Jesse Cox, Zepla

I think rogues had like 7 oneshot routes this expansion. No matter what got nerfed we find another way. Kyrian, Master Assassin which branches into multiple ways, The Rotten, The Rotten 2.0.

I'd be incredibly interested in seeing how subscriber numbers were affected after all this. Blizzard seems to have forgotten that engagement ≠ enjoyment while playing the game. They CAN be related, but if the game is an endless grind, it will lead to high playtime but low satisfaction, which is ultimately harmful.

I never thought that even Stoopzz would quit. Holy shit dudes...

I'm a higher end pvp player, and i just can't bring myself to do korthia and torghast. I got my 235 assassination and sub legendaries, and I just can't bring myself to do that anymore. The time it takes to form an rbg group, because random arenas are fucking insane, rbgs were my last hope to have fun in pvp in this game. I don't want to grind for gems, because guess what?! Next patch there's going to be another fucking faction to grind for gems in season 3. I'm definitely taking a break for a while! I really want to play, but I just get to my log in screen, look at my main, and then I just alt f4. I miss this game being enjoyable. There is hope for the future, you guys just need to listen to us, we are the people playing your game.

Man, Hybrid Theory and Meteora were my childhood

I know you may not see this but I really appreciate you covering videos like this. As a long time player who has been playing the game since Vanilla, every expansion I’ve played almost religiously up until BFA. I used to be able to enjoy the game for what it was. I grew up playing it and even when I was active duty and serving, I still found time to play it and at the time? I could acruallt still progress despite not having time to raid etc, PVP Was my escape. The only thing I could enjoy including doing quests and just being what others would see as a ‘Filthy Casual’, as time went on and legion hit I actually found myself really enjoying it! I could have multiple classes like other XPacs, enjoy the game and not feel like it was more of a chore than something that offered me an escape and a way to enjoy the time with my friends. Skip forward to BFA, Im a civilian now. And with a bit more time I found it hard to run an alt during it- It was rough. Ended up taking a break until Shadowlands and wow.. Just zero way to progress. I can’t even PVP and get geared anymore because everything is locked behind time and rating- I find myself more and more becoming bitter with the game as I can’t make multiple alts to escape on, I found 1-50 to be the most enjoyable part of the game and getting to 50-60? To become the most stressful part of the game. I don’t have gold to keep buying legendaries (I refuse to give blizzard money for the same exact thing they banned other players for doing) and with every single raid requiring some insane Il or AOC? I couldn’t even do content. In my own area (PVP) I found myself getting destroyed more and more by people in high tier raiding gear or players who bought their rating / had massive amounts of time to get to insane gear. I tried it myself- it’s just not fun. The game became more of a burden to me than something I enjoyed, Torghast runs for some soul ash..? Why not a piece of gear..? A conduit ? Anything but just soul ash- Raids? Only raids I could get into to do were LFR- and gear from there..? Not even on the same competitive tier. The game feels dead to me, so many friends have quit and players have quit all that are left are elitists and honestly? Toxic people and run by a company that just refuses to listen? I felt like a lot of problems i had were never voices but these videos you’ve been making? Makes me feel like I have a voice. And? Made me discover a new game. Never was a fan of FFXIV But until I saw you play it? Would never have given it a chance. Thanks for letting our voices be heard and helping us find a better alternative, I appreciate you a lot for being genuine and honest in every video you make.

In a months time I would like to see a list of all the content creators who quit. I hear many of them have become variety and I am happy for them. It must be so nice to play a variety of games after just playing one for so long

Stoopz has always been one of my favorite content creators. Such a positive role model for wow and the pvp community. Stoopz and his videos helped me in my progression within pvp.

Another passionate player gives up in trying to cope with the current state of the game. This is Asmon's fault! I can't prove it yet, but it sure is. I'll consult my friends on the forums and find out exactly what he did.

If they went back to your characters power progression, being simply apart of your class design, and not borrowed power systems, the game would improve in massive volumes. Not saying that's all they need, but it is a large chunk of what is wrong IMO.

complaint and feedback box is just a shute to the furnace that keeps the heating on.

Content creators / players leaving en masse Blizzard: Wow, such assholes.

I think I know why there were so many classic Andys that started wow with pvp. It's because we all came over from Diablo 2, and end game for all of us was pvp.

The days when I first saw Swifty explaining expert-level stuff is super nostalgic. Amazing times..

One suggestion I have for WoW developers is to have a portal at the end of all dungeons in the game pop up after you defeat the final boss of said dungeon that brings you back to the beginning of that dungeon. it'd save so much time and allow players to get mog gear achievements faster.

I really hope FF gets good PVP soon and just shows WOW how it's really done

In regards to having to repeat the content, I really feel like FFXIV hit the nail right on the head with the current relic grind. I know folks are tired of hearing the comparisons, but hear me out. The relic grind is pretty intense for your first 80 relic, there's sections where you have to do content over and over for items you need. But! And this is the important part. Once you get your first relic, some of the steps are not repeated. The grindiest steps. So getting your first relic still feels like an acheivement because you have done the hard slog, but getting another relic for another class you like takes much less effort so it's not so likely to burn you out. And you can see this philosophy in many of the game's systems. You can level all the classes on a single character- no need to go through the story again, you get an XP bonus on classes that are lower than your main, you can farm gear on your main class that is useful for alt classes. You can still fly in zones you've unlocked flying on. It's designed in such a way that you're not spoon-fed the content and, yes, you sometimes have to repeat it. But it's easier and faster the second time around.

The monty python clip was the best. As my friends and i joke to each other, "its not op just dont get hit by it"

After trying LA on the RU server.. It 's actually amazing, killed my motivation to even play other games while I wait for NA/EU.

I missed the Line "lets go play FFXIV" at the end, like Pint and other people did. xD

"While all my friends were having fun playing with each other, I was levelling up." Sounds like life to me.

Fast paced PvP matches were amazing at the start of SL besides Full-Moon oneshots. And for covenants I would say - I could do each campaign once and it should be unlocked for every character after that and give you all conduits at normal raid level too. Fuck torghast on alts tho. I literally can't play alts without wasting months of my life on getting it to the level where I could play it.

Seeing everyone leaving and knowing I left a while ago something about it feels kinda cold especially since I have not found anything close to what I am looking for in an mmo... so cold :,(

A really simple way to think about it is this: For anyone who hhas alts, imagine if when you did torghast on a character it gave soul ash to every alt and counted for that same alt. 20 torghast runs -> 2. Same thing with maw invasions, dailies. For your weekly the honor gained all counts towards each character. Imagine 8.3 but every alt got the same stuff as your main. (Obviously with some restrictions)

I don’t like the Systems at all, and I don’t like Thorgast at all.. and the legendaries could drop from a hard mode raid or something instead of a long chain of chores to do to get them.

I was just going to play until we clear the raid on heroic 3 or 4 times, but the guild that had two active raid teams is now already dying, I'm not sure that it's going to be worth the trouble. I just don't want to let down the people that I play with, but soon there will be no other choice. I had already switched to strictly raid logging and still had to log on a couple of times to do various chores so as not to leave guildies holding the bag.

Funny with the feedback going straight in the trashcan. I worked as customer service some years ago and we had a "request a feature" function where customers could request new/improved features. The information literally was not stored anywhere, it was just a way for us working CS to be able to easily and in a non-confrontational way tell customers off. The roadmap for new features was already set years in advance in conjunction with stakeholders and bigger clients. So when a smaller customer had some idiotic request for a feature we just told them to use the feature and our product management team would look into it lol.

MMOs are my gambling addiction replacement. When I quit playing FFXIV (for the second time), I picked up FE Heroes, well.... more accurately FE Heroes led me to cutting out FFXIV cause I was a whale in FE Heroes. And..... I got so addicted to gacha games because I am addicted to gambling, real world gambling, as in, casinos, I limited it to 20 bucks, played on that, if I was left high and dry by those with me (who were winning) and I wasn't, I'd get another 20 and play some more, but it never went over that, because it was semi-social. But without the social aspect or the limitations I placed on myself set in stone and no one to hold me to them, I became a whale and.... welp.... went through money super fast. I banned myself permanently from gacha games and, lo and behold, FFXIV was there again and I went back to it and I always have something to do. It's not a "drug" per se, but it was an addiction that went from an MMO into the real world.... and so I just resubbed for one character per world with 1 extra retainer (sometimes glams need old stuff and they can hold it, okay?) and I'm happy with it, I made a new friend which makes me want to login daily and.... it's just a nice time again. Anyway, that's my addiction story in a nutshell. Still getting rid of the consequences of my actions.

You HAD to throw in that hybrid theory reference, every pvp video back in those days were literally linkin park. Game is still pvp to me but honestly after wrath I just felt like it kept getting worse, though I wasn't exactly filled with hype when resilience was added. Also lost ark is literally hot, finally coming to the west, even I might start putting out videos.

I think this actually hit the nail on the head when things started going truly south along a path unfollowable. When chore-type content became the standard.

Wow literally saved my life to many times, yea it’s just a game but at the end of a rough day you could always look forward to actually being somebody in WOW. I think some people forget how much of a positive effect wow had on people back in the day

I used WOW to stay out of prison. Started when I got out in 08. It kept me from going back to prison for real man. The game sucks now though and my dude Stoopz and Preach are done, and so am I.

The problem with wow is the time- gating. You buy an expansion ($60+), then charge a monthly fee ($15) and then prevent you from progressing through that story within the month subscription. Forcing you to resubscribe month to month, just to inch closer and closer to the end. It's BS, I paid for the game let me play it to it's completion.

Stoopz was my favorite WoW youtuber and this hits me hard i was on the edge of quitting WoW but now i don't think i have the motivation to continue anymore it's sad :(

I can tell from my experience that no one reads cancle subscription surveys. The developers make them but its never clear who is responsible for them because you need someone to process all the data and then present them to the developers so they can change things based on that data. But that would mean they have to hire new people and companies like blizzard really hate to create new jobs :)

I Started to play in 2004. in university. I remember my friends and i traveled to USA just to buy the game, and it was so hard to find gametime cards omg lol.... Stopped playing last year @ 37 years old. I must say Wow is dead........ no more the game it was. i still remember the first time I logged in … i was a Tauren… i was so happy… and amazed by the open world i remember i said wooowww when i saw how big it was So incredible times.

Stoopz needs to discover Eve Online for his pvp itch

The karazhan attunement was legendary. I’m still amazed I got it pre Shattered Halls and Black Morass nerfs.

Last scene is the Guild Wars 2 next expansion End of Dragons. Glad you include GW2 in your options.

Personally I recommend WoW's F2P PvP over retail PvP. The gear grind is short, you can level up every class to 20, and you can jump into PvP whenever; even when you're gone for months or years.

Blizz: "AsMoN iS tOxIc!!!!" Asmon: *Exploring the wilds while dying from raptors*

Thing that really killed it for me is having soooo many BIS pieces of gear that only comes from weekly vault. Obviously somewhat fixed now, but they've even strung that out to take more time...... like the seasonal keystone master. Used to do a lot of raiding in MOP, full heroic clears (before mythic was a thing). Thinking back there wasn't that much mandatory stuff you were forced to do, aside from maybe the side legendary quest which wasn't bad at all. Could actually spend time doing bg's for fun, or arena. Your time is just so divided now, took a break after clearing castle nathria and the content drought. Come back to the Dominion socket gems, and the socket gear..... automatically logged out an unsubbed. Who wants to have their equipped maxed legendary from 9.0 invalidated due to sharing a item slot with a dominion socket piece..... the gold cost to do so is fucking insane, and if we're honest the whole economy/ gold making economy is fucked due to this.... my time is already so divided doing the "mandatory" forced BS I do not have time to farm the copious amounts of gold to replace it... which obviously favours their model to buy the WoW tokens. Game is so fucked.

regarding time management, I play SWTOR you can basically gear your alts with just playing on your main and the game is made to promote alt LVL-ing and doesn't feel like a chore

Man I really hope Internet Historian makes a video about WoW and Blizzard at some point. Maybe he could even do a In The Field episode with Asmon, that would be cool!

I wonder if Yoshi P will try to redo PVP in XIV to get where WoWs peak PVP was. Anyone else think he should consider it? I feel like it's the only problem that the game has.

I been trying to pickup the game one again after like 5-6 year ago. However it is too time consuming to level up. I wish to paid upgrade to the top level, and starting PVE/PVP immediately, not like speaking 1-2 weeks before I can really play. I think task system can open to people who wish to achieve title or to get special equipment or weapon. But it is so lonely now when level up when you missed the new patch updated. Also, the game now is lack of social connection.

Having 4 difficulty of raids and 3 of duengeons is ridiculous. Game was really good when there was just 2 difficulty of each, 4lvls of difficulty end up inflating the ilvl to stupid degree and as a result we get a stats squish every expansion now. The first stats squish happned in WOD when mythic SOO inflated the ilvl to insane degree and it's been the same ever since.

Lol the monty python bit had me going because it's true lmfao.

I deleted all my characters on WoW and it was the best decision I've made all year.

This is exactly how i feel and the reason I have not done end game since WoD and that was the last expansion I bought. I now do low level pvp and I do pve for gear for pvp. End game, ironically never ends, lol. You do tremendous amount of work, and I never could put in enough time to get BIS, before everything changed again, or new gear tiers would come out. It is just an endless chase of the carrot.

It’s just sad to see all these people leave

What is sad is that even when I log into retail today I still feel like there's something missing. wow was one of the best parts of a lot of peoples lives, having fun in it was more fun than having fun IRL... shit. we miss you wow. we truly don't want to play other games we just need Azeroth to be great again.

Blizzard really learn well from their Chinese overlord. Complaint about Xi Jin Ping... REEE RACIST! Complaint about WoW.... REEE TOXIC!

That first world in Shadowlands- that blue cloud world- was so beautiful I was floored. I didn't want to leave. It's the only thing I loved about the xpac.

Raiding in early shadowlands, my best gear came from arenas. I don’t personally like pvp, but wanted to keep playing with friends. Every week I begrudgingly had to spend 1-2 nights just grinding conquest and rating, with a partner who was having just as little fun as I was. While many people may have been doing arenas, for some it was just part of their weekly chores to continue on to the part of the game they actually enjoy.

Have quit the game in SL after 2 weeks because I had not enough time to do thorghast, the maw everyday and the campaign. While it's clear that I lack time for an MMO, god damn, was WoD good when you could just log in and do your raids or pvp or whatever you wanted. It's just shit to waste so much time every day and week for those garbage systems just to be able to be competitive in the actual (endgame) content - the content what the game stands for.

So I looked at some statistics for the Asmongold TV KZfaq channel. Ever since he started playing FF14, this channel has been getting about 3k subs every day on average. At the time of writing this, the channel has 760k subscribers. At 3k subs per day, this channel will reach 1 million subscribers in 80 days and Asmon and the editing team will get their gold play button.

Just to add to what you said during the systems you said would be OK if you only did them once, the problem is the power is locked behind them. Instead of them being horizontal progression while you are doing other core things, it blocks you doing the core things- and then it further blocks you because you have to do it over and over again. On top of it, the "borrowed power" is useless after so much work to get it. Those covenants and stuff would be great if the rewards were not locking your core power, and as you say, you did not have to repeat it so often.

This is like the same stuff that happened to me, after my parents split i started to play wow it was a distraction from it all but after some bad expacs i just didnt enjoy it anymore, after a bit my friends quit my dad didnt play anymore so i had no reason to keep playing this game. im still sad about quiting wow but i have to until they can fix it

I'll never understand people who want to fly thru content just to be left with nothing to do.

ANOTHA ONE

In FF14, what keeps me playing is a great quest line and story line. Imagine WoW trying that.

That shoutout to LP is great. Love them

It's unreal to me that we are at a point where Bethesda has done so much more to make Fallout 76 a great daily experience than Blizzard does for the WoW community. I can't wait to get home to put an hour or two into Fallout 76 everyday to do my dailies, weeklies, and unlock shit on the current season scoreboard.

The wow diaster is great the content creators are dropping like flies🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I lost my Mom and Dad recently and watching you and playing Final Fantasy has helped me have fun again.

I had the most fun in SL doing RBGs. Got to 2100 for the first time in any bracket and met a lot of cool people. Once the next patch dropped all my gear was terrible and felt really bad to pick up again and this was coming from full 2100 rated gear which is the highest you can get from the previous tier. I don't know how that can be fixed but it felt really bad and I just didn't have it in me to continue especially when they made it worse for PVPers to just PVP and raid log with their guild.

5:00 Yeah, it sucks when you find something fun to do while leveling fast. The Character Boost should be an option for a select few - while others find fun ways to level up.

I played back at launch. I played Classic (for a while), I have 60s on private servers, and I have never raided. Focus was all on pvp back in original, and now I live in a country and in a time zone which is not compatible with raiding. Leveling, herbalism, alchemy and fishing is where it is at for me.

Circuit city yo, their commercials with the big red plug in that would plug in at the front of the building and their stores looked the same in person. My dad bought me one of the Mechwarrior II games there in probably ‘97 or ‘98. The days.

Speaking of substances and wow. My story in brief. When I play WoW these days, I drink beer and smoke (quite a lot). When I am not playing wow (the first long break in several years - almost 3 weeks without playing), I don't drink alcohol and hardly smoke, the plan is to quit smoking. I used to play for fun but, hours at LFG (all my buddies don't play anymore) and random 100% to 0% are stressful and got me addicted (smoking).

So many people quit now. Imagine how the creators of this game felt when they saw what's coming and had to leave to company. It's heart breaking.

I think the legendary cloak in mop was perfect imo. Legion weapons were cool. But too much grinding

I was the opposite. I was in one of the lead raiding guilds in the early years of the game, Muteki. We owned a number of game firsts. I miss those days before everything went to hell. Damn shame.

"Those are the right days". That was powerful :(