He hates MoP because it introduced the Panda race and the art change, he just thinks it's made the game to look like it's for kids instead of the hardcore nerdy game it used to be. But the content was pretty cool and everything was still challenging.

Unfortunately Asmongold is actually pretty delusional, what he says one second contradicts with what he said the second before. The game has always appealed to casuals, in fact if you don't believe that go look up how WoW was originally meant to be "The Casual Friendly MMO", not making it up. Also it always had a cartoony style, I've heard players make that excuse since I started playing the game, as one of the reasons they were quitting the game. The guy is just full of shit.

@@mobspeak Because one person said something you take it for truth and run with it then? I don't know if I've ever heard an actual reason out of Asmongold why he hates MoP, but everything Hernan Alfonsin just said sounded like projecting the internet onto one guy to me. Otherwise I rather agree with your assessment of the game's style. That being said- remember Wind Waker? Lol same shit with that game, although I feel like WoW's graphics are of a much lower priority to players then in other games. WoW never looked all that crazy-good to me, but I never cared. Art is quite nice though ofc- old and new.

idk you can hate the game for the mechanic changes (simplifying the talent system is one of the best examples) but also like the content itself. MOP had great content, but it was also "the beginning of the end" in the sense of the game becoming overly simplified and about the time where Blizzard started trying to find ways to keep people playing through artificial means (thunderforged gear as an example)

@@jamesharden1435 Remember whenever he ruined the Duel Savix was having in Classic? Autims all the way

Bling Blong Blingko good example of an opinion that‘s not honest.

@@TheAwesomoe let's be honest he mostly hates it for the pandas and LFR

Victor Olson exactly my point. To sustain such an opinion is just absurd, on some level you are lying to yourself. These two aspects, that so easily can be ignored, should not impede your enjoyment. He has countless times expressed how much he didn‘t enjoy the expansion, which means the ideas of pandas and LFR were polluting his enjoyment in, for example, SoO or ToT. Both raids far removed from the panda theme. Side note, i get and support hate directed toward LFR, but hating on pandas is just immature.

@@TheAwesomoe I agree he says pandas were a thing in the lore and they were but they shouldnt of made an xpac out of them. What he doesn't seem to remember which is mind boggling is their is an entire continent in the lore named Pandaria. Not to mention the Mogu once ruled the land and we're Titan keepers. So that continent is very important to the lore

because of PANDAS .:D imagine hating something because of PANDA when you dont even need to play that race

you will say it to BFA trust me

Not really, most of us actually played MoP whilst we quit bfa after the first 2 months since it was so dreadful, PVP was amazing in MoP and I enjoyed it so much.. I just want Vanilla at this point, it's the only part of the game that can keep me interested along with TBC and Wotlk, which I've been playing on p servers for years anyways lul

@@jokerbatman101 no, hell no. BFA has no charm.

The Sub count is now like under 2M. I am so glad that I quit before BFA was released.

I'd sooner have BfA than retarded Kung Fu Pandaland

I can't believe u just compared kung-fu panda to Ip Man.

legion was cool pve wise but pvp was CRAP... :(

It was fun tanking LFR as demo.

Demo had a taunt with demon hunting glyph. It changed soul shatter ability into literal taunt

@@DriftNick IKR? Too bad one couldn't queue as tank, especially that at LFR difficulty warlock tank should be more than viable..

That comma has me curious

I'm sorry what? That sounds like something actually interesting for lock!

That's because you could boost in that expansion. Pvp was much more fair in tbc and cata

@@kataangsucks In the history of wow 5.4.8 had the most balanced spec distribution on the ladder

@@bingo2433 homogenization was the reason why it was represented that way, the pruning in WoD was their means of trying to fix that problem even though they already set the precedent with the removal of talent trees.

@@kataangsucks It wasn't represented that way it's just facts it was the most balanced. Homogenization arguably made PvP more fair due to getting rid of the rock-paper-scissors element which WoW had earlier.

True, everyone was ridiculous and it was amazing. I still remember hitting 1 million damage chaos bolts. Levelling was quick and smooth and gearing alts was so much simpler than modern expansions. Saw a guy demolish us with a feral druid and i leveled one and got it full honour gear in a few solid days playing.

i liked them tho

i dunno why anyone saying that cata dungeons were "harder" than any other, smileW. As for me it was a faceroll pretty much, u just need to know mechanics.

What expansion didn't have a lot of issues? In Vanilla every spec had pretty much only one viable spec/build, bosses were overtuned and barely any mechanics, zones lacked quests. TBC lore was horseshit, Outland leveling is complete garbage. In WotLK, Northrend leveling was pretty shit too. Heroic dungeons were a joke compared to TBC heroics.

ANd they killed it again this time with bfa xD

it sucks cause the WoD content was really good its just that there was almost nothing to actually play

@AIIUserNamesInvalid yes i PVP a lot in MOP! mostly random BGs but i had a lot of fun overall!

They killed it with WOD, revived it with Legion, and then killed it AGAIN with BFA

I had more fun in Cata than MoP by a long fucking shot but they were still two expansions that were light years ahead of WoD, Legion and BFA. BFA is so bad that I actually think WoW is done for until Classic for basically anyone with a brain. The only way I could see WoW making a come back is if it had an extra year or two of development time then regular.

+Sonata727 MoP better than Legion?

I did a ton of arenas in MoP with a couple of friends and had a blast doing that. And then I got to spend the currency I earned on some pretty damn good PvP gear that made my paladin look badass.

i agree! pvp was awesome in mop, didn't like much else of the xpac though

Because all the good pvp players quit due to not wanting to play a carebear panda expansion.

what was wrong with the raid mechanics?

@@00wkee too easy

@@Unholy187 too easy. Nice joke

It was just a lot of it at once imo. I've actually very much enjoyed seeing the Pandaren characters carry that forward into the new expansions though.

You are wrong and all lore over many years prove that.

I love your story and couldnt agree with you more.

What's with the furry hate

more abilities more fun.

That's about all it had, though.

People only say that because WoD onwards was garbage for class design. Mists started the shitty talent system, gave every class basically every ability (especially CC and druids, jesus christ who thought symbiosis was a good idea) and had way, way too many buttons.

@@jellyfrosh9102 Some talent tree's were great, you could change talents and have it make a huge impact on how you played, some tho were not so great and there was a default spec that was best for most stuff. "and had way, way too many buttons." Having more stuff to do was more fun for me, also why do you think symbiosis was bad?

@@DriftNick Because it made every class able to do everything essentially, and completely ruined the last remnants of any RPG in this MMORPG. And sure, some of the new talent trees worked well, but many of them didn't (lol mages) and the new talent system to this day sucks dick while you're leveling. And again, it removes more RPG elements from the game.

he was bragging lol

Same here, must be a Blake thing.

It's because of the pandas mop was my personal favorite

yung cracka I thought they were a little goofy at first but they grew on me. I really liked the art change though. This expansion still sticks out so much from all of the other ones.

not at all. Ulduar a million times better

yeah so good so many players leave YEAH so good^^

Hate? He said wasn't a big fan.

The shitty talent system, the tone-shattering Pandaren, the ugly ass raids (other than Terrace of Endless Spring), the dailies, and the legendary quest all made MoP a bad expansion to me. People only have nostalgia for it because WoD onwards was so shit in comparison.

@@jellyfrosh9102 The old talent system was worse, the choices were barely meaningful, half of the talents were just: 1% more crit or 0.1 sec less cast time, people were doing the same fuckin' builds all the time anyway, Pandaren are a weird race, but keep in mind, Gnomes are even worse. Raids were fuckin' amazing. Throne of Thunder is very cool looking, has fun bosses and really good music. Dailies were tedious, but they didn't bother me too much.

@@taavidude The people who bitch about talents being cookie cutter are usually the people who only used cookie cutter builds. If you weren't cutting edge raiding you didn't need to use a specific talent build. The old talent system was also way better while leveling because it gave you something to look forward to. Instead of waiting 10-15 levels to get a choice of 3 passives. And you really wanna say that the new system gives you meaningful choices? Really? Everything you complain about the old one is the same thing in the new one just stacked. Like having a talent tree in the old one that had 5 stacks that gave 1% more haste per stack, meanwhile in the new one you have shit like "Into the Fray" for warriors that just gives you 3-15% bonus haste, whoopee. The only difference between the two is now I have to wait 15 levels to get a talent that would have taken 5 to fully upgrade under the old system. What a good change. Or you have talent rows that have one stupidly obvious "best" choice while the other two are just filler or are only good for other types of content you likely don't do like PvP. Look at the holy priest one. I have the choice at 30 of getting a movement ability on a class that literally has no other movement spells, filling a massive gap in my weaknesses, or a thing that reduces my cooldown on Desperate Prayer, or a thing that gives me 10% damage reduction on myself when I have renew up. Wow gee what a hard choice. You can say I'm cherry picking but those are just the classes that I've played this expansion and know about. If I went through every tree I could find tons of examples of either 1/3 options actually being good, or cookie cutter builds, which still exist even with this new talent system. The old talent system was far more interesting, had more depth, and was simply more fun, especially while leveling. And the difference between pandaren and gnomes is gnomes weren't based off a fucking easter egg from WC3 like Pandaren were, and gnomes are in games like D&D, panda people aren't. Gnomes are high fantasy, panda people are just goofy. The raids were ugly as all hell, and boring to look at other than Terrace of Endless Spring. Mechanically Heart of Fear was tedious, ToT was decent, Terrace was good other than the last boss, and then you have SoO. The raid that lasted over a year, stretching out a 6/10 raid for 14 months. Man that was so fun. MoP was a 5/10 expansion that only gets remembered fondly because of the expansion that came right after it.

@@jellyfrosh9102 And what was better then? Vanilla- Awful raids, mainly trashfests with bosses being overtuned and having barely any mechanics. Every class pretty much had only one viable spec/build. If you wanted to play Paladin you had to throw Prot and Ret out of the window. If you wanted to play Druid then you had to throw out Balance and Feral. Zones had lack of quests and a lot of bugs and exploits. TBC- Horrendous lore, once again, raids were mainly just trashfests and most of the raids looked really ugly or dull like Gruul's Lair and Black Temple. Outland leveling was pure garbage. WotLK- Lore wasn't too bad, but most raids sucked. The only Wrath raids I enjoyed were ICC and Ulduar. Northrend leveling wasn't that great. Borean Tundra and Dragonblight are some of the worst zones ever made, Icecrown leveling was quite mediocre too.

I remember their Chaos Bolts hitting for millions.

Between those crazy Chaos bolts and the green fire quest, MOP was a good time to be a lock. Granted I'd take Wrath Locks in a heartbeat.

Show me

hp was like 557k lol not quite a one shot :D

Mists of pandaria.. releasing in a store near you in 2026

the trouble with the Asian style is that it was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overdone. If it was for one zone then fine, but no, the entire stupid exp pack was an Asian style bukkake that as for someone like me who doesnt give 2 shits about Asian style it just made me go "just hurry up and get to max level already so i can leave this retarded place" and not only that its bad enough that I see retarded fat kung fu pandas (seriously, how the fuck can a bunch of overwight pandas do martial arts? fucking stupid) rolling around everywhere due to Blizzards stupid descion to make those Michael Moore's and Rosie O Donnels a playable race.

@unknowning unknown wtf u on about? I was simply stating why MoP is oe of the worst exp packs released

@@GenericUsername-qp1ww but your opinion is completely subjective and ignorant ever thought about being more neutral on it?

@@poko3940 no, because Kung Fu Pandaland was a TERRIBLE expansion, at least WoD was original and not a complete bukkake-fest of a real world culture.

@Ch4rl3magn3 Da fuq you smoking. You think MoP was a stab at the Chinese market? Do you know that China has had WoW since 2005? MoP released in 2012. If you are trying to equate Diablo Immortal going to China with WoW going to China, you are in two VERY DIFFERENT BALLPARKS.

You mean Tbc>Wrath>Vanilla>Legion>MoP>Cata>WoD>BfA

@Ch4rl3magn3 Except no, literary that is not how it work.

Weed Striker cata is certainly better legion and mop.

@Dr Boom A lot of people that are wishing / supporting the idea of vanilla servers (Hamsterwheel, Dodgeykebab, Alexensual, Tipsout, etc.) have always said that TBC is better / more polished than vanilla. As for most of the playerbase, Idk, Idc much about their opinions since people don't even know what they want xD