I love playing Tank and Healers in any games, but holy shit some people make it insufferable to be tanks and heals.

As a person who play supports & tanks in online games i think the most annoying thing is then a teammate who make tons of mistakes starts to blame you just because you play a supportive role and in their mind you should prevent any their mistake for them. Also: if you play tank/support/healer and your team loses/do not succeed - you are a bad tank/support/healer no matter what you do. Its a rule of modern online games it seems.

Asmon makes a really good point about healers. Healing difficulty in raids is heavily dependent on DPS not standing in mechanics. If you have an actual good group, you don't have to heal that much and can predict when you need to heal based on unavoidable damage that stays constant each fight.

I really enjoy playing heals in MMO's for one big reason. No fight is ever the same no matter how many times you do it. Sure the mechanics are the same, but the other factor (your allies) have the potential of making the fight far more exciting or frustrating. I really enjoy that challenge. Therefore, the game doesn't get stale as fast which is fun

I think DPS is the most popular role because it has the least responsibility. If the Healer/DPS dies the Tank gets the blame. If the Tank dies the Healer gets the blame. The DPS has to do something very stupid and easily avoidable to mess up. For Tanks/Healers there is a ton off stuff that can wrong that you have no control over, but you will 100% get blamed for it anyways, even if no one was at fault. One bad dungeon/party can very easily turn someone off Tanking/Healing.

The criteria for deciding "who is a good tank/healer/dps" is different. As you said, tank and healer are binary, but thats because their roles are the most important since they're the ones that lead to a clear or a wipe. Having a bad DPS is still salvageable. Having a bad tank or healer is generally not salvageable.

In my experience as a tank, I have found it to be the most fulfilling role. Until you step into those sweaty challenging levels, most players don't throw you under the bus for a mistake and most mistakes you can recover from. As long as you're keeping the boss's attention and you're not dying, A+.

As someone who played tank a lot in Overwatch, I can say that it was both the most fun role and the least fun. When you have a decent team that follows up with you and the game balance is good, it feels great. When the game balance is poor, your hp gets melted too quickly and there's almost nothing you can do.

What I've noticed bouncing between all 3: DPS: When they make a mistake, nobody will notice/they get credit for kills. Healer: When they make a mistake, only tanks or entitled DPS will notice/they get credit as the most valued support role. Tank: When they make a mistake, everybody notices/they aren't recognized by anybody except healers.

As a Tank myself, I think the the main reason new players dont want to play Tank is, you have so much more responsibility than the others. You are the driver of the car and the others just hop on in and enjoy the ride without much preparation. You however have to know the hole dungeon/raid and have the courage to lead the group. For me, I loved tanking mythic raids with my tank buddy and in M+ I just enjoy leading the group through the dungeon.

As someone whos done all 3 roles, DPS is definitely the easiest. It requires the least amount of situational awareness and reactivity since you only have to care about yourself and the mob you're attacking. Healers have to be constantly ready to drop heals onto 1 of 25 people randomly getting nuked down and tanks have to make sure each mob is held onto them.

I actually LOVE playing both Tank and Support. Those are always my favorite roles in any game. Problem is, with team based games, I have serious distrust and outright bad experiences with teammates who don't know how to do anything other than DPS (and not even good at it) so they leave me to dry constantly. It's unfortunate that people don't understand how to work as a team or play their roles but that's the risk you take with matchmaking. The flashy roles get all the attention and the wannabes who try to play them blame everyone else with the lack of production. Rinse, repeat.

Tank might not be the hardest but whenever I'm playing tank I feel the most stressed out because the success if the raid is entirely in your hands and your duty is to be the most tryhard and knowledgeable player in the room. Sure the execution is easy but by comparison DPS is a cakewalk. You just hit whatever the tank is tanking until it's dead.

The most hated role in gaming is anything that isn't DPS. It doesn't matter how important the other roles are or how much they might carry others because at the end of the day the DPS feels like the hero. Most people want to feel like a hero.

Worst thing about tank is that its a support, so group mistakes get blamed on you, and the healer, even when it wasnt a support's fault at all. and also in high-tier fights, they give tanks a lot of extra responsibility in many MMO's, yet like 90% of DPS players seem to think tanking is "braindead" even though they don't play it in anything other than normal/easy tier content. Tbh in endgame/high tier content i actually think playing DPS is kind of easier mechanically (not rotationally though). usually less group responsibility/role mechanics.

I love how Lineage 2 did certain tanks, some had a stacking system where after certain amount of hits taken they could pop a self/party buff that would basically turn them into a DPS and allow them to life drain but reduce healing received by like 80%, that made them viable in a solo setting as well as being desired in general party play (for the steroid party buff) even if said content didn't require a tank in particular.

Tank has responsibilty to keep the pace and needs the most knowledge. A healer, however, has the unfortunate responsibility of saving players who make mistakes, and players make many mistakes.

I have played all 3 roles over the years, but got more serious in WoD and onwards. I play healer mostly now because it has the most challenge, I play tank when I want to still have a challenge but relax a bit more, I play DPS when I want no stress and just do the raid. DPS has always been the easiest role in raids and m+ for me.

If anyone is curious, it’s incredibly fun to play as a “Tank Assassin” in Dark Souls 3 where you equip heavy gear to defend and help the newer players when they’re in a fight and then sneaking ahead to clear the guys you can take out with one backstab or parry

I used to really enjoy tanking but I would play with my partner who was a healer and since we were both pretty good we could carry most dps. Also I guess the fact that if a group ended up being toxic we could just go find a new group really quickly was a big bonus.

Back in 2005 I played a warrior tank leading raids for both BWL and AQ20/40, and nobody 'dared' to be sassy because the status of a tank was comparable to the guild leader. In 2008 TBC when raid sizes started to shrink from 40-man, that coercion started to diminish. I remember tanking Kara enough times to become exalted 10 times over. Gruul? Every week for years. TK & SSC? People finally started to become annoying. By the time Black Temple was on the agenda, every issue that wasn't a healers fault, was the tanks fault. By then I simply stopped playing my warrior as it wasn't worth the trouble. I liked leading raids though, so I swapped to mage and led raids from a DPS perspective instead. I quit in Cata as the Death Wing fight was just too bloody obnoxious for everyone involved. That tanks are getting shit is a question of comfort really. A good tank, as the video mentions, is practically invisible - all things go comfortably, mobs are where they should be, bosses can be attacked freely, tactics are followed like an oiled machine. A bad tank though? "How hard is it too Sunder Armor? How hard is it to just STAND there and hit taunt on cooldown? Bloody useless, trash tanks!" All a tank needs is two things; Positioning and Timing. Have it? Good tank, nobody cares. Don't have it? Bad tank, useless trash!

Tanking: Easiest to execute, requires the most pre-knowledge of the content. 1 Fail is a wipe or deplete. Healing: Scales in difficulty based on how shit your group is. DPS: Easiest role to carry. You are compared to others in the run, but others also do your job for you if you suck.

I actually enjoy tanking and healing the most since it's reactive and requires different solutions for different situations. It's an adaptive play style. As a result of mostly playing these two roles I've developed thick skin to overly harsh criticism, while still accepting valid feedback from people I play with. But I can understand the pressure probably gets to be too much for most people so they just opt for DPS, not to mention big numbers = easy dopamine hits in a much more black and white way.

Tanking: When they die, everyone knows and shit's gonna hit the fan Healers: When they die, rest of the group gonna be feeling it, but can still be managable. DPS: When they die, aint no one even gonna notice/care unless you hit some sort of enrage.

In my experience, a good tank is extremely noticeable and get hella praise, but a bad tank gets equal and opposite hate

Some of my best memories of multiplayer games (a type of game I don't play much) are supporting the team until victory. Not exactly a role-playing game, but I remember a match in Battlefield 1 where I was practically the only doctor reviving people on the front lines and turned a practically lost Grand Operations game into victory. Running from one side to the other amidst the shouting, explosions everywhere, shots going everywhere and my squad celebrating. One of the most immersive games and one of the most immersive match in my gaming history.

When i got into wow i began as a healer, my friend (who already played wow for a long time) played as a tank, at first i didn't have to heal that much, but as time passed, my friend started pulling more and more enemies, so i had to be really careful to not let him die, it was a challenge for a begginer like me, but it was amazing how we would tell us our cooldowns so he would know how much he could pull, and i began to understand the role more, having to also heal the dps from time to time cause they would take some damage.

I really enjoyed the cool light armour tank that was in SWTOR. Where you relied to dodge and shield generators instead of heavy armour. Was a great concept that I think needs to be implemented in other games.

I think Asmon's opinion on Tank's difficulty is generally not true when it comes to team based PvP games. Since you can't effectively aggro enemy players without decent dps or crowd control, and these 2 aspects can easily be imbalanced, either not effective to the point your team gets sweeped because you're not killing nor healing enough or you're so strong that the meta becomes GOAT like

I think Lineage 2 did tanks right. It was fun to play since they had pets and with some skill and item preparation they could go hard on damage dealing too. The only thing that sucked about them was fighting them and getting hate when the boss just doesn't catch aggro and skills are on refresh.

There would be a lot more tanks if people would just STFU and stop blaming them for everything (even if its the tank's fault). Its all about respect.

Anarchy Online had some classes that completely redefined the idea of tanking and off tanking in MMO's in SUCH A GOOD WAY. Martial Artist class was able to dodge tank quite well, but the game was so unique with its implant systems and Attribute/Skill point system you could actually make a SUPER TANKY MMA and tank it like an Enforcer. WHILE ALSO being your own teams healer! Enforcers as the generic high hp/high armor class pop big shields on 5-7 cool-downs for burst spikes. Then you had Fixer tanks who literally just wore Grid Armor that made physical attacks miss like 95% of the time depending on what quality of suit you had. (Generally if you where a fixer with a suite it was a high quality because fixer toons where people who had deep pockets lol.) There was also Metaphysicist class who could tank using his 3 pet system, CC ball, Healing Ball, and Demon tank. Keepers where a new kind of DPS style tank that was just a better enforcer in my opinion (at least for pvp anyways). They had the same HP, better armor/sheilds and way more DPS. Adventurers could tank in Cat Mode using HP implants as well as dodge bonus being in cat form or dragon form. Agent tanks using the miniature form and the shroud of tourin cloak or using Enforcer engrams through agent spells to tank... Engineers could tank with their 158 white scytheclaw bots if you twinked it low enough, never saw raids done with bots tanking though. I think AO had such a great community because it was a game with insane item/stat/twinking depth. You could have a level 90 Agent beat a 220 soldier, or a 150 enforcer destroy anyone he felt like it because you spent 70 hours buffing and item boosting and gear swapping and implant stacking to be able to twink the best 2handed weapon in the game for him to use lol. SHIT i totally forgot about Soldier tanking as well... using reflect sheilds... WTF man there where so many ways to tank in that game. Edit #2 SHIT I forgot about SHADE TANKS, god damn there are SO many tanks in this game...

I love tanking personally, once you get out of the "ahhh the responsibility!" headspace it just becomes an easier DPS rotation with fun bonus situational buttons for defense and such! Plus, you get the satisfaction of tanking the way YOU would want others to have tanked whenever you played a DPS lol edit: this is my experience playing *extremely casually*, not at all speaking to any actually difficult content lol

I remember back in 2006 leveling my first warrior in WoW to play with friends. I had re-rolled so many times that my re-spec cost got to be too much and so I leveled as a tank. Was absolutely miserable because questing took forever as I did little damage (at least you could slowly aoe groups) so I sat outside of cities calling in global for my services to level in dungeons...

One reason the Warden was so popular in LOTRO . Awesome dmg but amazing survivability . Can tank and DPS as well as solo PVE . One of the most effective Tanks I have seen in any RPG MMO.

The switch up on the holy trinity works well in gw2, but it was hard to adjust to early on. Nowadays it’s easy to get filled in through osmosis of just playing, on how the “roles” work. Tanks and healers are basically rolled into 1 role, where tank abilities focus on protecting teammates from incoming damage, which is practically healing Meanwhile parse culture isn’t really a huge thing for dps cuz addons aren’t technically allowed, but they don’t crack down on it unless you use addons to be toxic Then for both healers and dps, there are sort of “sub roles” based on the buffs you give out. Quickness for attack speed Alacrity for cooldown speed And power or conditions (dots) for raw output, which is only for dps obviously ie quickness healer, qheals. Alac dps, adps. Condi dps, cdps

I just started tanking for the first time the knowledge you need to know feels more vast with routes etc making up for % in mythic plus, adjusting for extra packs pulled, its been a lot of anxiety but i understand that goes away the more and more you tank this will be my first time trying to achieve KSM instead of dps. looking forward to the ups and downs of this new journey and hope to be competent.

> "Tanks" > Show clip of Garen AINTNOWAY

I guess it's because I've only ever played Tanks in League of Legends and never played a game like WoW ever but I've always loved being a Tank. The concept of taking a fuck ton of damage and never dying has it's obvious appeals and we you play Tanks that excel at either being a wall in front of your squishies or someone with offensive cc designed to pinpoint a target and have everyone dogpile on is super fun. Champs like Ornn and Sion fulfill both of these concepts and when you're playing them it's awesome when the team properly positions around you and you effective halt the enemies' advance because they can't get past you without losing half their health. It's fun and it's super fun when you're trying to get around the enemy tank because effectively, it forces you to think better on how you engage the enemy team. Wherever the tank is, that's where you're *never* going to attack from. Course that would require your team to be patient and control vision which is why Tank metas are so hated, it demands you to actually manage more concepts of the game instead of just going ARAM.

At the end of the day every role has their own responsibilities and will call out on those people not performing properly, although dps not as much. From what i see the dps has it easier since their measure of usefulness is separated from the tanks+healers. I've always been one to play around with all 3 roles to get a better understanding of how they operate in a specific game. Edit: I love tanking in league, new world, and albion the most

I love tanking. You always get into groups, no queues, you decide the pace. And I just love when we have a smooth run. I've been a tank since wrath, always on my DK and I'm pretty comfortable with it.

Really depends on a fight, sometimes tanks get absurd amount of mechanics to keep in mind to keep themselves alive and have proper positioning, sometimes healers get blasted with pressure whole fight white having to dispell and dodge stuff nonstop on top of mana issues, there are also fights where dps has to do the dancing and also ensure they keep dps uptime. WoW tbh is pretty well balanced that none of the roles feel like overly easy to play,

The most "toxicity" I face playing Gunbreaker is someone tells me to turn on the stance thing because I forget to turn it back on after the start of the dungeon

usually i enjoy asmons takes as they are correct a lot of the time. i played all three roles in my time playing wow and dps is by far the easiest and least stressful. dont stand in things and know your rotation. tanking is more knowing the encounter and game knowledge. heal is more reactive and you have to have quick responses. it depends on the content youre doing whose role is hardest. 5 man its usually harder for healers, as theres only one. raids its tanks as now timing is everything, weak aura type things lessened this a bit, but, not in proper classic and holding threat is harder than most thought. it was easy for dps to surpass you on threat if you werent top of your game, all while surviving. the game made it easier to hold threat as time went on because of this. asmon is speaking here from a later perspective of the game when they dumbed tanking down. dps couldnt shine without a good tank and a healers job was only lessened slightly if the rest of the team knew what they were doing. mana management, which they also dumbed down later, was a massive issue for healers. this was also exasperated by dumb dps standing in stuff. its like hes forgot there was 39 people to keep alive, minus yourself. yes, there was group assignments, but, what if another healer went oom or died. this is one of the worst takes by asmon yet.

A proper tank shouldn't just be hard to kill, but also provide a compelling reason why the enemy should focus on them. Such as having a slow build up pocket nuke or debilitating effects, or hard to ignore support effects that don't tread too much on the healer or other support branches.

In retail WoW right now I've noticed the worst toxicity coming from the tanks. The chain pulling they do where often times mele dps can't even stand close to dps or they'll die is out of control in dungeons. They'll try to find the craziest shortcuts in dungeons and flip out any time a dps accidentally runs two millimeters away from the exact route the tank took and aggroe's a pack of mobs that could have been killed in 15 seconds anyway.

Yep, totally agree with you Asmon. As a healer, the difficulty the game presents to you is directly corresponding to the level of skill (or lack thereof) from all other players in your party or raid. I haven't healed in raids but in some heroics and such did and it was a breeze because my friends that I played with were good at the game, but I can easily see how it can be a nightmare for healers unless you are in one of those no-lifing hardcore progression guilds where every player knows all the mechanics of a boss fight and knows what his job is and how he is to avoid as much damage as possible.

As someone who mains DRK in FFXIV, and couldn’t get into tanking in WoW when I tried it later, the difficulty of playing tanks in PvE games is *heavily* reliant on how much the game emphasizes having to go out of your way to maintain aggro: if you’re having to actively try to keep the boss on you or closely watch the aggro things have, it’s going to be *significantly* harder than if you can just focus entirely on the boss and mechanics. FFXIV does the later, WoW does the former. Having effective ways of maintaining aggro across a group is also extremely important for this, with FFXIV giving AoE rotations (with no damage reduction for hitting large groups) to tanks, and WoW giving Vengence Demon Hunter’s Glaive Toss a cooldown, and pretty small target caps to both that and their other main souce of AoE, Soul Cleave. I’d rather a tanking class be harder than others because it has a higher skill ceiling, not because the devs simply neglected to give it a proper AoE toolkit. Also, “DPS are the hardest role” is one of the worst takes on gaming difficulty I’ve ever heard. The whole take starting at 14:34 is complete garbage, actually, for the reasons stated above, in addition to the responsibility of it, but the DPS one is *especially* bad. The take is an argument against parsers, except it’s _somehow_ intended to means DPS is the hardest, when that’s *just* other players being obnoxious. Just do your rotation right, and don’t stand in the fire, and unless there’s a specific mechanic you end up needing to take care of, you’ll be fine.

I love tanking so much, the idea of just taking all the hits and shrugging it off is super enjoyable for me. My only struggle is I'm really not a leader so that makes it pretty hard for me.

Everytime I’ve tried to learn to tank always got bitched out feel like if I ever try to learn it i won’t be doing it with randoms

I think Tanking is fun, it comes down to boss design. As someone who primarily plays a healer and secondary Tank, the fight designs are mostly about dps and healer mechanics

I was a tank in FFXI for about 10 years over multiple jobs that all play in a different style, and I loved every one of them. Tanking was always a ton of fun, although I was in a end game group for a lot of that time, so I guess my time was skewed a bit.

My first RFK was with a godly tank back in BC. I already ran several dungeons as a healer before then and I could tell the difference. The tank was just a random dude and I warned him that I’m not really experienced, so he didn’t do any crazy pulls and actually gave me some valuable advice on gearing. I believe we ran through the dungeon without any wipes, not a single mob touched me, though I had to sacrifice some DPS who couldn’t follow the kill order. Later playing as a DPS myself I always remembered that if you pull aggro, it’s not a healer’s priority to save your ass before tank.

When I still played wow almost all I ever did was heal or tank.... Mostly preferred it because I could get a group for something any time I wanted that way.

i remember back when the old republic cam out i ran a sith tank and if anyone remembers the pvp map that you had to bust through the door when on defence all the players would go to one door were most the attacking team was i would take the other door and the 5-6 guys that would try to open it. and while i didnt do a lotta damage to them or get to many kills they were never able to kill me and get through the door and that was always fun to me.

I think tank and support the harder ones in general. You have to know all the mechanics and you are always very dependent on your party.

This man really said DPS is the hardest role. I think that's the most L take I've ever seen from Asmon.

The mmo I play most is eso. Tanking and healing in that are about more than just holding agro and keeping everyone alive, both roles are considered support because in end game content they're EXPECTED to hold agro/heal AND buff the group. Then as mentioned at the start of the video, the tank is meant to be leading the group so know mechs. The only thing a dps has to do is get their rotation down so they can maximise their damage output which they get increased thanks to the tanks and healers.

Tanks are unsung heroes in video gaming Asmongold:"NO, because in wow-" Is basically the whole video

In almost every game i play that requires a tank, the role starts off challenging but rewarding. As said game grows older, it inevitably becomes a role dumbed down by developers. Or the other inevitability happens: more players start playing the game and the quality of skill goes down. Or both happen simultaneously, which makes it unrewarding and miserable to play

3:30 Mostly, but not always true. Did Castrum Meridianum (FF14) a few weeks ago, tank was afk-kicked and then the healer bailed just before 2nd boss. Got a new healer and we finished the dungeon without a tank.

When I play multiplayer games I play the 4th role. Support and utility. Which is a multiplier for the rest of the group. As well as the possibility to step in into other roles temporarily. Hense why I play Druid. Usually end up saving my group multiple times and Drastically increasing group speed and efficience.

As someone who healed all the way through naxx classic. The amount of time you have to put into being a tank definitely seemed like a huge investment and seemed pretty daunting especially in the raids. I’m gonna be tanking hard core so wish me luck lol

I was a tank in ESO and i was flabbergasted when i saw the dps queue length like i always waited like 30 seconds dps have to wait for like 10 minutes lmao

For PvE, Tanks and DPS don't have to deal with variables, as long as they study the boss patterns and their damage rotations they're good. Healers are all about analysis, they have to adapt and sometimes take split second decisions to the only variable of a game, the PLAYERS. Of course if you have a very consistant party it reduces chaos and healers work best in a non-chaotic environment. (On the other hand, in PvP, the assassin class thrive in chaos and disruption) Depending of the game of course, I think DPS are usually the most demanding mechanical intensive class and tank is the easiest role but also the most dependant role by far. I also understand that different games have different nuances about the holy trinity. Great video! 🙂

I had a talk with my brother about tanks in overwatch 2. You can always go to the roots of gaming and build from there. In DnD fighting men did the most melee damage and had the highest defense and health. Magic users could out damage them in short bursts but would run out of steam and also brought utility. Clerics are a melee fighter that brings support and healing. They have armor as high as the tanks but less hit points and damage. Thief is a support character made for opening doors and chests. They can play support to the melee group but don’t want a direct confrontation. They work off of tricks and ambushes in combat. In DnD there were 3 damage classes. They were just variable. Fighting men get reliable damage. Thief gets high damage backstabs. Magic users get limited hit damage nukes. Being a fighter was a lot about controlling space and making sure enemies couldn’t get to the back line. Clerics could be in the tier 2 melee line to attack from the second row and heal/buff and swap out with an injured front liner. Thief would do best to try and flank if it is safe or try to provide other support. Maybe keeping lookout on the rear. Magic users do nothing(ranged attacks if possible) unless spells are needed. At low levels thieves can’t really succeed at their abilities. And magic users have limited spells(I think 1 cast at first level). Fighting men were the superior class with clerics providing support. At later levels magic users pulled ahead as they got more spells. More spells in number of casts and powerful spells. I don’t think any game(I could just be unaware of it) has recreated old DnD combat mechanics. Any one in melee gets stuck there till it’s over(you can try to leave but it can be dangerous). You can reposition the fight and fall back or move but you can’t walk right by someone itching for a fight. You also run the risk of shooting someone in the back if you fire into a melee fight. There’s one last thing fighting men got that is often overlooked. Cleave. They can kill multiple lower level enemies in short order. Think of action hero heroics killing multiple foes in one smooth motion. When you get to final fantasy, the cleric lost their armor and fighting ability. The thief lost a lot of the utility from the table top game. I think the warrior mostly works but the system is very different. Tanks should do damage in a limited range. Mages should do damage with a limited resource. I think the match ups are fighter beats thief. Thief beats magic user and magic user beats fighter if prepared and at range. If you get in the tanks zone of control, you should die. There should be somewhere they’re limited but it doesn’t have to be damage.

healers also have to make sure that they themselves dont die, and they have to have good range/los on enemies AND friendlies which is difficult if team members don’t play well

As a tank myself. The role is very much fucking around and finding out. At least in the case of FF. I've had a friend ask how does he know what's a tank swap. Does it hurt? Does it make you take increased damage on the next phys/mag hit and potentially/can/will kill you? If both the anwswers are yes, that is a tank swap. To know that in a prog environment, like everyone else, you fuck around and find out. A lot of the role is very much this, because there are some, if not, quite a lot of things tanks have to be ready for that no amount of explaination will prep you for said scenario, should it happen.

I would say positioning as a tank is the most important one and the one that shows who's good at tanking, as dps or healer you can appreciate or realize how much better a run can go in any game if the positioning of the tank is good on bosses or mobs-routes, pack grabbing

Tanks can do tons of damage especially when they scale with hp or defense stats. Some champs in league have this feature, and they are high dps tanks. There is also bruiser role.

Tanking is fun as a warrior in classic. When people freak out that 8 mobs were pulled I get in before anyone else and hit retaliate. 2 seconds into that gave enough auto attacks to go through sunder armor rotations skipping targets I can hit with revenge

Tanks in Albion Online are super popular and a massive role in PvP, it's hella fun to play and super rewarding.

Okay so I see a lot of comments about "why people play mostly dps, why more popular ?" "why does asmon say tank is easier ?" "why is healer less difficult then dps ? huh ?" 1 - people mostly play dps, not because it has less responsibility in terms of how important the role is in the group, contrarily to what I saw in a few comments. It's just because people like flashy moves and big numbers, plain and simple, don't make it complicated. 2 - "Tank is easier", now I am not 100% sure what I'm saying is what Asmon meant, but from my understanding, tank needs more knowledge on the game, but less effort once you do have the gear + knowledge, it is a difficult upwards slope, but once you're on top it gets flatter and you do your job well, which is to not die. Just take aggro, don't die, and you're good. (I know I make it seem very simplistic, of course it depends on the game itself and the way each player sees it, but this is a general assumption from mmo experience) 3 - Same as with tank, healer just needs to make others not die this time. Now I will say I am not in total accord with asmon on this one. In many games the healer/support has to be very careful of position, and has a good view on which players need help and how to help them. Although I do think dps can (not is) usually be harder, but that depends on the characters and the game system thus comes number 4. 4 - Depends on characters/classes, some are easier to play, some are harder, kind of regardless of the role. But dps do tend to have characters that require specific combinations of skills to maximise their output, and if they do one fuck-up on the order or timing in which skills are used, they lose consistant effectiveness. So yes they *can* (not do) tend to be more difficult, but not always, that is blatantly wrong. Each role is very important, and has its difficulties, but also advantages. Losing a tank or a healer can easily lose you the battle. Losing a dps will less often make you lose the battle, (but a lot of time though, which is a pain when you do lose them). But in the end, the healer, tank and dps all support each other to make a team. One makes the passes, one stops the opponent from scoring, and one scores points. I think you need all of those to make a team, am I wrong ?

I played Tank´s in different MMO´s, but one in particullar was my favourite: The Tank had different shield-spells, some only for himself, some only for group members and everything in between, with one to two heals (depending on how you skilled your char), with the option to switch the weapon mid fight (wich every class could do) wich would change 1-2 of your abilities to dmg. You could help the healer with a small single target heal every 30 sec or so, go full on tank mode while also keeping an eye on the other members, to give the shields to the one who needed it the most (basicly supporting the healer) and, if needed, put out a little bit of extra dps (as far as Tank´s can). The beauty of it was, while you could never replace a healer or dps, you could activly support them in their job, while also doing yours as a Tank, if you had the instincts and knowledge on when to do what. Basicly low entry level with extremly high skill cap. A good tank hold aggro and didn´t die, while a great tank constantly rotated between defensiv, offensiv and support in order to get the most out of every ability and the difference between these two was noticeable. Also, I see it the following in most MMO´s regarding classes: The healer has the god-complex, the Tank is the masochist and DPS are angry Arsonist XD

In ffxiv I didn't understand how prevalent bad tanks were for a long time. I was basically playing tank only since the start then tried healer and oh god, they weren't wall to wall pulling and got mad at me for pulling more mobs for them. They didn't die but they were scared to fight more than one group of mobs at a time, making the dungeon last much longer.

After years of dealing with Toxic DPS, I now enjoy being a Toxic Tank. If I'm pulling fast, staying alive and managing to also keep up with your DPS. I'm going to straight up call you out on it. If you try to pull for me instead of letting me dictate the flow of combat, I'll let you die and then call you out on it. It's a good time and I know that leaving a group means I'll still find another group fairly fast, whereas the shit DPS will be stuck in queue for a while.

When raid groups get bigger it gets really impossible to track individual performance. It's not too hard for a tank to position the boss correctly, so it's expected. But only himself and his healer can assess each other performance. Everybody else can rely only on damage meters.

I didn’t start playing seriously until SL. I joined in SOD and when I told them I was a prot paladin they forced me to tank every raid cause no one else wanted to do it. It forced me to get good quick but when I didn’t show or I wanted to play my healer they would get upset with me just cause there’s so much tanks have to do and focus on that no one else wanted to do it 😂

In mythic dungeons I mained a healer and I needed to stop after 1 week because my stress level was to high. Tanking in retail wow is like: "How much you want me to pull?" or "Okay ... the healers mana bar didn't move ... I need to pull more."

I've played all 3 and while I do think each one of the roles has its problems to face, responsibilities and pressure etc., this is what I feel: -Tank has the most responsibility and pressure to set the pace of the instance, they usually need to know most if not all mechanics to avoid deaths and get criticized a lot. -If it's not "the tank's fault" it's the healer's fault because they didn't heal you enough, they get shit on if a DPS dies standing in the fire(from said DPS) or if they run oom and other things like that. -DPS get shit if their dps is underperforming or if they do stupid shit like standing in the fire. There are some variables to this which depends on the content, some fights require DPS to do some mechanics, some fights require healers to be cautious of debuffs etc. that need to be cleansed, and yes sometimes the tank just needs to stand there and soak the damage and do absolutely nothing.

I do think that by denying it Asmon kinda proved the video right. The thing about tanking and healing is that people think it's easy. You might think you "only need" to do one thing, but everyone else makes that one thing harder. That one thing does not allow any mistake to be done, and thus not making any mistake is considered a matter of course. The expectations put on you are stellar high. As a DPS, if you stay within 10, or even 20% from the top DPS, you're fine. You can make mistakes, nearly die a few times, maybe get resurrected if the game allows it, and no one will blame you so long as you keep these DPS high enough. In fact, if your DPS are high enough, people will be fine with you blaming the tank or the healer for your mistakes. They'll even agree it's a matter of course that the consequences of your suicidal gameplay are the fault of the tanks or healers, whose one, "easy" task should be kept up. Tanks and healers are roles that are too easy to blame, when no one will ever admit they are at fault. You couldn't see a DPS being accused of wiping the team by not killing the enemies fast enough. The tank has to adapt to the rhythm of the team, the healer has to follow the rhythm of the team, and the DPS don't really care about the rhythm of the team they dictate.

I've been maining Healer and alting DPS _(and Tanking low to mid keys)_ since Legion...mostly played DPS before that. Been doing higher keys _(up to 20~)_ as a tank in DF. I exclusively play PuG groups. And tbh, I find it way more common that DPS players who are underperforming are getting shat on in PuGs. Usually when a Tank/Healer is below par, people just request smaller pulls _(or leave if their competence is so low that you get stuck obviously)._ Also the only time I've received praise in several different groups within the span of a week or two was while pushing myself to tank higher keys...and all I really did was plan or find a route and practiced using all the utility my spec had _(interrupts, stops, movement, etc)_ and tried my best to not pull more than the group could handle lmao... ...that's a pretty low bar compared to what you need to do for anyone in a PuG to really notice and give your praise/compliments as a DPS/Healer.

I love healing in m+ tbh. In my opinion healing role is the most affected role to affixes. You have to do all the mechanics + dps + healing (balancing with windows for dps not to overheal). I really enjoy playing as Druid.

I played a tank in wow since the beta, at first I sucked since I didn’t know what I did. But practice and a lot of other tanks giving me tips helped a lot and I got good. It did take me only a few weeks to become the off-tank in a raid and 2-3 months the main tank in another raid. When that raid came to an end I got the chance to join one of the best guilds on my server. First, I was the new guy, then I became the off-tank and even the stand-in main tank during the vanilla era. Asmond is right, tanking is easy! If you know what you do the only difficulty is your party! Currently I’m leveling a priest in classic and the difficulty for healing varies depending if the tank can hold aggro and if the dps focuses on adds. If the group is good, it’s a walk in the park and I can do damage. If the group is pure chaos, it’s a nightmare.

- DPS is by far the easiest role. You don't have to care about anything except your rotation and maybe interrupting casts from time to time. - Healer can be hard, but it's mostly dependent on what team mates you have. If you have good team mates, then healing is easy. Especially in WoW, where you just click frames to heal. - Tank is hard. Because success rests entirely on your shoulders. You have to actually learn shit. You have to make decisions. You have to correct other people's mistakes, while micro managing aggro, kiting mobs around, and keeping an eye on what each enemy is doing in order to use your defensives properly. You also have to do good dps on top of that if you're not a scrub.

Tanks suffer the most from shit dps and healers, managing aggro (not so much in todays gaming) and mechanics. Only other tanks aknowledge what you do because they know.

that reminds me, i play Off-Tank in Wakfu, i play as a Sacrier, i get armor, i reposition the enemy, i heal myself, and the less life i have, the more damage i do since i'm a berserk.

You know. I think all roles are important otherwise there would be no holy trinity. There are plenty of scenarios where tanks are required to play a certain way in order for the game not to end in a wipe. But there are also levels where if the healer is not curing debuffs things will go to shit quickly. There are also some levels that require the DPS to burst specific targets in a timely fashion or it is a wipe.

I don't hate tanking. I'm just not doing it cause of my good old introverted social anxiety roots. The tank is the wierdo standing right in front of the mobs that everyone is looking at, so basically almost always in the center of everyone's attention. This stage belongs to the indifferent or extroverts. 😏 Especially after a wipe.

Ive maintanked in casual guilds and in raiding guilds ( lets exclude dungeons for now ). I really liked tanking in casual guilds, there is no pressure we all had fun and i never felt the initial blame went to me. Raiding guilds on the other hand i am the first line in the blame game, the pressure is high and i didnt like it one bit. Now come the dungeon part.. i hold a piece of power.. people complain about the pace of the dungeon however i can just say : Dont like it ? Goodluck finding another tank and 85% of the time that was the end of it. I healed in classic and ive seen the tank role... and now with the knowledge of both of those roles im going dps. I dont like the pressure, people are rude and impatient. Its time to pass the torch.

My favorite moment in all of WoW was when our raid on heroic got the boss to 1%. The boss did a raid wipe move and we should have lost, but I was playing a demon hunter. My transformation triggered, and one of our healers was able to pop invulnerability on themselves with their paladin stuff. I was able to burst down the boss while being healed and we saved the fight with just us two

I find it hard to learn the tank role because as your trying to learn what to do people are screaming and berating you instead of maybe calmly explaining what to do to maybe help the situation. So you can't even get your feet off the ground before you just get sick of it. I just had to mute everyone on ff14 till I finally got decent at the role and wasn't screamed at

I love tanking but often its a difficult role to get into compared to other roles despite often times being the easiest overall. DPS and Healing are oftenly more reactive roles, where tanks often have to take a proactive role and know mechanics or routes ahead of time.. In a new game/patch/xpac this is less of an issue but older content other players expect you as a tank to know a lot of things ahead of time so that they can just follow behind. Mostly an issue is pugs but you get the idea. New players make mistakes and get flamed then they switch off to likely never return.

i suspect the reason why ppl dislike tanking & healer roles is cuz it doesn't give as big a dopamine hit as seeing big number's pop off, and let's be honest, dpsing is in most cases for lack of better word "braindead" jobs, no need to care about mechanics, just need to see big numbers pop up, that said, not all dps jobs are braindead as "mash x skill till enemy is dead" but alot are

What I got from the video is that either a game will have you play a tank as a shield type character who is just supposted to defend, then there's overwatch who decided to just call people tanks without knowing what a tank is

Queue times are insane for dps, they should give increasing rewards for anyone queing as last needed role every minute after first 3 minutes. Like let's start at 1000 gold, next minute 2000 gold etc for clearing such dungeon or raid.

The difficulty of DPS is the most static and does not depends heavily on the performance of other roles in the team. For example, healer is the hardest role if the party is full of braindead zombies, but is the easiest role if everyone knows what they're doing. This does not apply to a PVP game obviously.

I was a MT in those elite hardcore raidingguilds in vanilla up to and including Ulduar, and I loved it. I commanded so much respect. If I accepted a pug I would get lovebombed the whole run. ;D My solo capabilities was nerfed, sure, but I was always the first to get that phat loot. But I guess my story isn't really comparable to most.

You can be a new DPS but you can not be a new healer/tanker, that’s the biggest problem, I’ve played some retail wow and it’s pretty hard to get a quick play dungeon even for lower dungeons because no one wants to play tank because they know if they mess up everyone will cry

I see no problem with being a tank so long as I can also dish out some damage. In the most recent game I have been playing monster hunter world I tend to go with Lance and a heavy bow gun shield build. The latter I am liking more as I can block a similar amount with a lower blocking angle only I also have a cannon. While not as good as the Lance when I am not able to draw the monsters attention enough when my Challenger mantle is on cool down I can still pepper it with shots that can still draw the monster to me. In almost every game I play I tend to go with all damage, all defense or a bit of both depending on if I am playing with friends or not. When soloing being a damage tank is preferable.