When he laughed I didn’t think he was being hypocritical I thought he was thinking to himself how ridiculous it is

asmongold and charlie ignored one big thing. in the award show, they told the viewers that there are behind the scenes videos in the fansly site. they encouraged everyone to go to that site

For me the problem isn't an issue of "think of the kids". It's more that this stuff is being pushed on EVERY site there is. Especially Twitch. On KZfaq it's a bunch of bots. On Twitch this shit is being promoted. Every site nowadays has practically soft-core porn, at the least. It's mainly the 13 - 21 crowd I'm more worried about. Because the porn is different now. It's not just porn. These ads and bots and creators prey on lonely people, especially men, or rather boys in this case, with false relationships. They are marketing parasocial sexual relationships. That will fuck up a developing brain beyond belief. Seeking out and watching porn is one thing. But being lonely and having these fake sexual and even romantic relationships being thrown at you from every site nowadays is fucked. The next problem is these porn creators want to have it both ways. They want to say that they are providing a service and yet want to be seen as only an individual and not a business at the same time. Imagine selling bread but instead of just doing the job and keeping emotions out of it, you sell the bread by begging and crying about how you never had food growing up. It's pathetic. These streamers and other creators will flirt and tease with their largely underaged audience as an advertisement for their adult content. It's disgusting. Because they know children are jerking off to them, but they don't care because it's just the money. And instead of doing it honestly by just making adult content and advertising it as is, they will prey on people who already have a parasocial relationship with them. A counter argument to this is that it's just advertising for a product, like with anything else. This is a braindead take. Sexuality, or lack thereof for some, plays a HUGE role in our brain chemistry and emotional state. This stuff isn't as innocent as advertising a chair. You are dealing with a different beast entirely. You CANNOT treat adult content as a generic product, because it's way more than that. This is especially true for those in the true targeted demographic of adult content. I say true because none of these people will say they sell porn to kids. But they know it, and we know it. It's unspoken but it's true and anyone who is naive or delusional enough to believe they aren't selling their stuff to a kid is far too innocent, ironically. I believe you need to be 13+ to use Twitch. So why is anything like this allowed? And even promoted? You can talk about the Superbowl all you want, but once you VERIFY an age, any age, you make content appropriate for the minimum age. The exception to this is clearly explicit content, which must verify 18. But Twitch might as well be the search engine for OnlyFans at this point. So yes, technically they don't need to verify 18+, since there is no nudity, but holy fuck it might as well be. This is NOT the same as a Superbowl advertisement because they don't verify the age, they go based on the target demographic, which is generally older men and women into sports. In that sense Twitch would be better off if it had no age verification, because they could claim ignorance. Now, they KNOW 13 year olds watch this stuff, and they are going so far as promoting it. TLDR: Don't let them prey on your emotions, and fuck Twitch.

The hypocrisy comes from claiming hottub streamers arent a porn gateway when Amo makes tens of millions a year. If Twitch wasnt a gateway to porn in that case I dont know what is.

I love being a KZfaq Frog, I can just sit here, eat popcorn, reading comments that doesn't mean anything significant, and listen to asmongold and Charlie duo

What I don't seem to get is; Didn't Twitch, themselves sponsor QT's event? And they were OKAY being paired up with Fansly? After directly streamers cannot directly advert their own pages? What am I missing

Issue I find, you have people saying that gambling streams are a gateway to real gambling (true) but also you have this other gateway targeting minors on stream but yet Twitch knows it's their cash cow and allow it. At least Kick knows what it is lol

Asmongold take: "It's different, but same. But still different, but same same."

The problem is that creators like qt will feign disgust and try to cancel people but then turn around and get a porn ad as soon as it is good for her. If it were up to her people like trainwrecks or atrioc would never be on then internet again but maya is her BFF

What pisses me off is they are using the cop out excuse "well twitch already does it" implying they have no morals themselves when they go along with things like this. Just because there isn't tits in your face immediately doesn't mean it's not immoral advertising NSFW pornstar streamers to an audience that I have to assume is predominantly children/teens. Streamers are starting to go all hollywood on us and they dont even realize it. Fame and fortune really is the root of all evil. Edit: "its immoral" changed to "it's not immoral"

The fanlsy ad was arguably worse than adin showing porn to his audience. He atleast had 18+ turned on, which in reality does nothing but indicates that his content was intended for adults. QT's stream had no 18+ and was therefore intended for all ages, including kids.

The difference between a kid seeing a porn ad and a cigarettes ad is that the kid would be likely to have an easier time finding porn to watch than to find a cigarette to smoke.

The reality is Charlie and Ludwig are buddy’s, Charlie ain’t gonna say anything negative about his girl just like he never commented in mizkifs sexual allegations

My issue with it comes in two parts. One is the recent meltdowns about sexualization of female streamers being so heavily pushed, followed by those same streamers promoting porn sites. And the second is that playing porn vs promoting a pay site isn't fair, because the people who are watching twitch are going to consider paying for fansly more because a streamer pushed it rather than watching free orange youtube

This whole discussion is nothing but a big free ad for fansly lmao

"Toys R Us is gone now" Sad moment. F. That store was the wonder of my childhood.

They are part of the same house, difference, Adin showed the window where you can see the content, QT showed the door, but they action is the same, leading people to the same content in this case unluky for QT children were in the public

Usually Asmongold is pretty succinct with his thoughts on things but this one he seemed very unsure of or jump to a conclusion way before actually understanding the context. I don't disagree with him but his arguments here definitely didn't carry much weight either.

I think the difference is that Fansly is age gated with a paywall to see the content, what Adin did was show straight up porn. Also my daughter has gotten adds for alcohol and horror films when those are strictly for 18+ and 21+.

isnt Charlie a friend whit Ludwig and they own an e sport team together? it was Ludwigs decition for Fansly being promoted if im not mistaken so it makes sense that he diodnt wanted to call out Qutie for it

Why is this so hard for people to decide that advertising porn where children are able to view is a bad thing. Mental gymnastics for something that should be so morally easy to decide

Charlie saying that there is content on Twitch like this isn't clearing him or QT of any wrong doing, it just implicates Twitch in the wrong doing. All he did was expand the list of suspects.

I never heard of fansly. With how it was presented I would assume it is a supplemental/ alternative twitch service lol.

Those "Girls Gone Wild" commercials that were on cable back in the day were pretty raw and didn't leave alot to the imagination lmao

Why do streamers always have to be "friends" with each other? What's wrong with just being on the same platform and having little to no feelings for each other?

Yeah the Adin one was really bad but atleast it has an 18+ filter and contained to his own community who already expects him to do something that stupid. While QT has multiple streamer communities watching that are suddenly exposed to Fansly lol, imagine what viewer age demographic streamers like Sykkuno consists of.

Issue here is that the bathtub streamers ARE being intentionally sexual. It is 100% an ad for their sexual content, which is why they go to every length imaginable to show off thier bodies. This isn't an issue if its on a porn site because it's expected, but on twitch you can have a porn streamer being recommended to kids, and even if they arent being recommended some of these people are huge and collab with other "non-porn" streamers exposing them to way more ppl. Think amouranth going on xQc's stream for hours, and then all the kids who look her up and get sucked into the parasocial camgirl porn hole. It's disgusting, and disingenuous to suggest it's an innocent coincidence

Asmon's comparison to putting Fansly ads in Toys-R-Us would be like the "adult video" section in and movie store. Kids see the sign. Know what it means. And you could say its advertising it.

Why is OF not allowed to be promoted on Twitch yet this Fansly managed to get promoted when it’s effectively the same thing?

Yup, hypocritical. The lengthy explanation for QT. Downplaying it all for a friend

Easy argument to this is cigarettes. They used to be advertised everywhere. Now no motorsports or sports team will have a cigarette company labeled on them. Look at marlboro and ferrarri. They took the name out of the logo, to keep the sponsorship. The argument was proven to enough people, that advertising cigarettes period was telling kids to smoke. Agree with that or not, that was the precedence set. So advertising porn on something kids watch is the same thing. You don't see cigarette adds during the streamer awards do you?

Honestly, the funneling people directly from twitch to fansly, including using their twitch login... yeah that doesn't seem safe, secure, or all that wise. There's too many ways I can see that going really badly litigation wise years from now. Similar to youtube kids app sending shit they shouldn't have and the drama that came from that. Pretty easy to see how twitch could fall into that trap, doubly so if its set up to funnel people there.

How can someone get blamed for an Ad on someone else's video?

I remember this interview with a fan of an NHL club. The way they set up the interview showed him in a completely crazy light. That his whole life was devoted to his favorite club. A crazy obsession, but the reality was quite different and the fan I remember spoke out against it and even made his own video to show how they had edited the video to make him look crazy, I don't listen to the news the same way since then.

16:18 It's not about whether it's ok or not. It's about Twitch's responsibility to look good for their shareholders and for ad companies. As soon as one or both of those groups has a problem with linktree it would be gone as well.

He knows he is wrong, he backpaddles and admit its not okay, but has his ego to high to admit obvious hypocrise. Then he spents the other 3/4 of the video downplaying it and talking it dead. It was hypocrit, just admit it jeez. Nobody is perfect but some of these streamers have their ego blown out of proportions

So they are both bad but Adin gets Hate and QT does not?

I don't think they addressed the fundamental issue very well in both of their videos. They got hung up on the Adin Ross situation and failed to address the fact that both instances are promoting porn to potentially kids with the emphasis it required.

By Charlie's logic, advertising brazzers with clothed videos on stream is also fine, which im sure everyone would agree its not ok.

I love when Asmon cannot prove a point, so he starts making up hypotheticals comparing apples, oranges and bananas.

This is the very definition of hypocrisy. Publicly criticizing something, then making excuses about "almost" the exact opposite reaction. If you dislike porn, why would you nitpick between those 2 scenarios. Stop being a hypocrite

The hypocrisy is that Moist thinks kick showing porn on an 18+ stream is evil -- but promoting fansly to show porn on 18+ page is okay? Absolutely laughable. I thought when Moist laughed in MuKitty it was because it was that both are bad, nope -- he's okay with promoting OF because it's some external 18+ page . . . but an 18+ streaming doesn't meet his bad faith mental gymnastic criteria for some reason

Charlie isn't Hypocritical, he's HydroCr1tical.

I don't know man cause ads on television like the super bowl can really cross the line for minors

Both bad, both valid points, one is immediately bad and the other is bad with extra steps, it all led kids to porn, you can make the argument that at least Adin stream got 18+ wall to watch the stream but still kids use the website and lie like every website. I think Charlie's reaction was laughing at how strange it is, but Hasan who was literally using the argument that Adin can facelegal charges then support a stream who does the same thing is hypothetical, he literally read an article say "advertising porn to minor will result in legal charges" or something like that, and especially qt who said OKAY to run the add.

I see this as a pretty shitty move to be honest, idgaf about the streamers here - this is not all far from what Stake does to go after young people and get them gambling. Porn is definitely addictive the aiden ross case is much worse yes, but having an ad to a porn site on a show where most of the audience are kids is just plain criminal. OF would be more defendable (barely) as there is not JUST adult content, but that's a porn site and if a kid goes to that site or clicks on an ad for it, it will only take him to a porn site. same way on your sat TV you would never get ads for adult channels across the whole day in order to protect minors.

This is such an online issue no really gives a shit about an advertisement about fansly people just make these videos for views. We all understand showing porn on stream is weird and shouldn't happen but the fansly ad is no worse than things we have all seen on tv for years.

Now I do wonder what Moist thinks about zapping trough channels at night as a child and suddenly being exposed to porn

Safe to say; if it's even a question of: " is it that bad for kids" you probably shouldn't do it LOL

Its like telling a kid how and where to buy crack vs giving them the crack yourself. Both are bad but one is worse

A very small % of people actually respond to advertising, whereas 100% of the people watching you will see the porn if you directly go to the website.

I'm surprised you would say a Fansly ad is the same as showing porn on stream, yet then think that a hot tub stream is completely different. Hot tub is definitely different than porn, but they're on the same spectrum, as you said about the Fansly ad and Pornhub.

I would have had more respect had he just admitted he was hypocritical because she's his friend instead of doubling down and making it worse. I would argue the wierd ad is worst because unlike Adin Ross there was no 18+ disclaimer. Unfortunately Streamers including Asmongold cannot really be 100% honest with this situation because its not in their better interest to what with collaborative opportunities

Charlie is actually chatting shit here i cant lie

That ad promotion was so cringe, it's a twitch event man

The problem with fansly is that you can literally access the website without ever saying that youre over 18 if you login through certain accounts and those accounts dont even have to be accounts where you said you were over 18.

There’s an old saying that goes, Rules for thee but not for me. Haha

The US Laws have marketing cigarettes as worse than someone showing a cigarette (illegal to do marketing). At this point twitch directly Advertised porn to kids while Adin just showed porn. Marketing creates long-term incentives for porn advertisers like QT to keep showing them to kids. QT's strategy is a long-term funnel for kids to watch porn while she generates profit from "porn addiction".

Fansly, onlyfans, twitch, tinder... just burn it all to the ground.

Lets be honest here... if it was anyone else's award show and it played a porn (fansly) ad right after a kids (mario kart) ad. Moist would have 100% made a video calling it out.

Moistcritical when you adjust what you say about Fansly it was ALREADY AFTER HER VIDEO you absolute hypocrite. And Asmon didn't notice lmao! Asmon thinks Mukitty forgot that part. no he just waited for mukitty video to say it.... he is a hypocrite yes

We called it y'all! Twitch the new cam site!!! Aww fuck.

It makes more sense for Twitch streamer awards to have a Fansly advertisement considering the majority of Twitch's top female streamer/personalities are on Fansly lol.

If a grown man’s only audience is entirely composed of children, I think THAT is weird.

These ppl are all getting trolled by mukitty and not realizing it.

Note the ease of accessing each site is vastly different and how is showing an ad for a site and showing literal porn "somewhat different"?

Another issue is that hypocrisy isn't a issue UNLESS you have a platform, influence and make money from it

To be fair his reaction was like nervous laugh in a way "what the actual hell, how is it here?". But it is only fair to point our how Moist gave half of his esports to Ludwig, so there is that, he can't critisize it, since he is in a bubble of influencers. The call out wasn't to call out Moist but to point out how people can't express thier opinion since they are all friends, but can themselves call out others for the same behaivour who they are not friends with. It wasn't "Moist is a bad guy" but an illustration of the point.

The laugh was fine. His response is hypocritical.

On the RADIO i've heard ads for seggs toys (adam and eve) and the radio doesn't allow bad words because they still operate under the same rules from like 100 years ago.

It’s like the difference between channel 7 and SBS. 1am channel 7 you’re never going to see the full act but SBS will show it all. Also there’s no kids awake watching at this time, as for teenagers if they want it they’ll find it themselves and usually at school during class. Laws over there may be different if it’s okay for some major company running and awards show to advertise it. Hopefully something like summer games fest don’t t start advertising it either.

By transitive property since Asmon never washes his hands.. 🤔

Today I learned that some folks even in the comments don't realize that people can laugh in uncomfortable situations. At the same time they expect people to have the foresight to see random situation of theirs is going to cause controversy from out of nowhere, and for the dumbest of reasons. Nobody in the stream talked about the ad and asked for his statement on it as it was going. This literally wasn't brought up again until mukitty made her video. He isn't going to pause the stream to tell people his take if he wants to move on. What people take away from a laugh is ridiculous.

It's weird and honestly disturbing to me that the Youths straight up demand pedantic soapboxing out of content creators and extrapolate judgements from the lack of it.

streamers are mortally flexible about anything esp when its thar mates doing things . and hiding behind aiden ross being a pos is weak sauce ,

37 minute reaction to a 12 minute reaction to a controversy which could be summarised with _"both are bad, but one is worse."_

Advertising Fansly is like holding up a pron magazine without opening it. Charlie calling saying it's "bad" is a cop out. He never laid QT out for doing it. A streamer awards event with essentially a pron sponsor is what she was called out for. It was not like it was her personal stream. It was bigger than that. QT was just thinking of the sponsorship where hundreds of thousands could watch giving that exposure to everyone. How many who watched the streamer awards knew there was going to be a fansly ad? "Soft Pron" is a thing. Twitch allows hot tub streams because the money rolls in. They did not allow it at first. Money changed that. Remind me on the rules on men being shirtless again?

Ludwig's excuse maybe works for his events or advertising Fansly on his channel, but he and QT are trying to create a giant event for everyone on Twitch with the streamer awards. Saying "If you're a kid, you probably shouldn't watch my channel" its not enough. That's not Geoff Keighley's stance during the game awards, that is not whoever manages the Oscars or the Grammy's mindset. If they want the "Streamer Awards" to be somewhat respected for what it is, advertising gambling, alcohol, or porn should be the furthest thing from your mind. Honestly just another thing to lop onto the pile of why Twitch is seen as completely degenerate. It's like no one is even trying to combat the image of this site being for perverts and narcissists to prey on lonely people and their wallets. There's good content on Twitch but it's just dwarfed by the amount of grifters and their advertising for whoever pays them the most.

adan ross having a 18 plus indicator before joining stream made it direct. it wasnt out of the blue.

All of the online personalities known for being practical and reasonable will eventually become hypocritical. It's the "influencer" curse. They mentally outgrow their own space and try to have greater influence in another space. When your favorite personality moves to a mansion, founds their own commercial company, or even suddenly starts traveling all over the country/world for public events, social or commercial, they're not "retable" anymore. And they become biased towards their own interests. It's realistically just human nature at work.

I think the difference is that one stream is like “here’s porn” all of a sudden, and the other is “this is a link to porn, but you have to go out of your way to click on it”. Essentially, one stream threw porn at your face and the other tells you how to get it if you WANTED to.

I like it when he calls QTCinderella Queue Tea

Ad encouraging to pay for porn is worse than showing porn imo.

Cigarettes are a weird example because they can’t advertise cigarettes but they’re allowed to be smoked in media.

The laugh was nothing. Charlie is definitely being hypocritical now, though, for not admitting the obvious double standard he's employing. By his logic, advertising for slots is ok so long as you don't SHOW gambling, it just leads to a site where you do. There's actually another layer of hypocrisy to this as well. QT is the one who is always championing "not sexualizing women", but then shows ads on her event for a site that sexualizes women - on twitch no less. Integrity seems to be non-existent these days.

This is so simple. Kids seeing an advertisement for cigarettes is bad, but kids being handed cigarettes to consume is worse. That what this is.

Blaming Charlie for the fact that someone else advertised it seems kind of dumb, he never said he agreed with it infact he did the opposite. Sometimes people just want to blame someone it feels like

Sometimes it feels like those react videos are out even earlier than the actual videos you're reacting to...

Sorry, you're wrong on this one. There is a massive difference between seeing a PG-13 advertisement for a porn site and going to a pornhub while streaming to minors. One is arguably morally questionable. The other could be a felony. No, nobody is saying advertising cigarettes to kids is okay, they're saying showing a child an advertisement for cigarettes is different than giving children cigarettes.

Having 0.5x speed on when starting the video had me laughing to tears.

I think it's the Hollywood of Twitch hypocrisy, that Moist / Asmond would never challenge QTcinderella for promoting the content which lead her to burst out in tears a month earlier. If it's for fellow influencer money it's fine it seems

its like the phrase: give fish to a man he will eat once, teach him to fish he will eat forever. ross showed porn once but directing kids to a porn site will help them get porn forever

People really out here trying to defend a grown adult flashing porn to children 🤦🏻‍♂️

I'm convinced that if you care so much about a streamers opinion that you're willing to write literal essays about why that person is a hypocrite, you need to find another hobby in life.

charlie out of his mind, a stream that's already requiring you to be an adult even showing porn is not as bad as an all ages event showing a porn ad. this argument is dumb

I believe the same rationale he applies to child porn and that Netflix cuties or however it’s actually titled should be the same. Advertising sexual content to children is wrong and should be condemned just like showing It to them on stream in the same way cuties is wrong and should be condemned just like straight child porn is wrong and should be condemned. Just because one is to a more severe degree does not mean being morally congruent wouldn’t consist of mutual condemnation.

There are worlds between directly showing something or showing a site that hosts/streams it. You are no hypocrite when you only accept the latter. A little example would be when parents restrict their children website access and twitch is included. The showed website is not accessible so the ad made no "damage". I want to add that no one said it is good to advertise that website, but it is clearly a big difference.

I thought this might have been exaggeration so I went to fansly to see what it is. Holy holy... Twitch is partnered with that? That's literally a porn site with a fancy name. I hope parents become aware of these sites.

Whats the differnce between praising Marlboro vs showing someone smoking? Whats the difference between telling its ok to beat people vs showing people being beaten? Its only worse by being explicit, but its still advertising.

Advertisement in general is the way to tell people that "Hey we have this product buy it or go check it out" the fansly ad is totally wrong to be there in the first place cause anyone who saw it would be like "hmmmm let me check this out", I know Twitch and any other place could be stupid sometimes and allow this, but at least no one should denie its bad to have that kind of ad in the first place in a website that is not considered a corn site