It's a shame that early access has essentially ruined what peoples perception of a alpha/beta/tech test is supposed to be. It makes it incredibly scary, and somewhat unworth it, to allow people to try games until they are basically done, because first impressions are just so impactful. There's people that STILL think ESO is like it was when it first launched.

"People are dying and you're mad about a video game" I mean, why does he get mad about anything in WoW with that mindset.

On the rant on FOMO, what i would consider an anti-consumer part of it would be that the company promises that the limited edition thing or whatever will never return because reasons... And then proceeds to sell it later on the line at a premium or again using the FOMO.

"All companies do fomo" U played elden ring but u learned nothing

For the longest time I'd contemplated that in order for a perfect MMO to be created, it has to be done by a player who has enough of his own money to invest in the development, at a personal risk. This seems to be the only game like that in development at the moment and I haven't personally seen anything yet that would reassure me, but I wish them the very best and I do hope they succeed. The toughest part is that it takes some genius and a lot of luck to create a gameplay loop that will be enjoyed by many for years and that is the number one thing that they need to get right in order for this project to succeed, imo.

I was on a call with my grandma and she kept trying to bait me with FOMO. "I don't know how long I've got left" and "I just want to see you before it's too late." Seriously, these manipulation tactics are getting out of hand. Stay strong boys

When Narc talked about Ashes being a BR, I think the general outcry wasn't that "Oh its a BR game, BR games suck". Its just that the market was SO saturated with every game being churned out over those months primarily being BR games, people were just sick of it. People wanted something new, not another BR game.

holy shit the amount of times he just contradicted himself "fomo is manipulation and it's okay everyone does it, fomo isn't manipulation, the level of manipulation that fomo uses is not bad, I don't like fomo in some circumstances, fomo is not a big deal, there isn't anything wrong with fomo."

fomo when it comes to cosmetics sucks because you might see someone with a cool item and ask yourself "how do i get that?" and instead of being drawn in to go get the item, you are told it's been unobtainable since 2016 before you even started playing. It degrades the experience.

he's right about 99% of things he says, but not about fomo being okay. This is "creating a problem and selling the solution." which he's very much against

My main problem with the "People show be more responsible for themselves and show self control" is that where you draw the line is arbitrary. You can say the same for gambling or any other addictive activity. Now you could maybe show through a study that this thing is actually addictive, whereas this other thing merely seems so, but if we just take it at face value that people are addicted to getting limited stuff, then that is that, they are addicted, saying they gace no self-control is just redundant. Going back to the arbitrariness thing, I feel just like you said there's nothing really bad with FOMO, one could say gambling isn't bad either. It's entertainment at the end of the day, and those who get addicted have themselves to blame for not keeping themselves in check. One thing you are right about though is that this isn't something so big that people should be outraged the way they are. Although it may mostly be because they didn't expect you to have a different opinion from them. However, it doesn't seem smaller than p2w, shop skins, loot nerfs and all others things you and others complain about. It's easy to call others out when they want to take the moral highground, but you don't seem to notice the high horse of "responsibility" and "accountabilty" you sit on. I have no problem whatsoever with disagreement and I personally don't care about this matter, but calling others stupid and neurotic because they don't agree with you doesn't seem productive. (Ironically I'm doing the same by preaching this "democratic discussion" and "everyone is entitled to their opinion" bullshit, but that's just how it is.)

Why on earth would you listen to a guy whose been hardcore shilling Ashes of Creation for years now without barely criticizing it in any form when the developers barely have a game to show case?

It's hard to say it's a scam when you can see the work they've done. While I still have my doubts, I'd say it's past being a scam now.

“The scam is getting them to buy a complete game” instantly reminded me of the Key and Peele bank robber sketch

The problem with Asmon's take on FOMO is that most FOMO isn't created artificially, while removing something from being bought in-game is completely artificial. In most cases where FOMO is inevitable it's because there's production costs and labor costs, telling a company to create everything they've ever made just because people might miss out is unreasonable in these cases. Meanwhile when you add something to a game, it is in the game and it'll cost them no extra money to keep this thing available until the end of the game, once these products are finished you can essentially infinitely print them, so removing them from the store only creates artificial scarcity and FOMO. To be fair, I don't really get why people buy these rip offs, but allowing them to artificially pressure people because of FOMO should be flat out illegal.

My main problem with FOMO in terms of items is that sometimes you just dont know they exist. It's particularly bad when something is retroactively taken away forever like some random obscure item just stops dropping for no reason and so now everyone who happened to run that side dungeon and explore to kill that one mob that drops it eventually get far more value out of it than they should have. You can kinda see this the best on Hypixel (top Minecraft server) when the ability to dye certain armor sets was taken out of the game randomly back when no one really cared but then over time those dyed sets became extremely valuable and the richest people in the game were the ones who had those dyed armor sets, up until the devs reintroduced the dye feature years later intentionally or unintentionally.

asmongold being anti consumer is within character for him

I’ve thought the same thing ever since I learned the real mechanics of this game, and Steven’s mindset of what MMOs should be: the forced open world PvP and dropping your items and gear and losing xp when you are killed by another player will keep this game extremely niche and not anywhere near the potential of what it could have been. Some people who love pvp will enjoy it, but a vast majority of mmo players do not want this playstyle and will not play it after a couple months at most.

I feel like AOC will either become a really complex game like EVE and not be for casuals or it will be a disaster. Why? Because of the player driven economy. I know only of Albion (which is not nearly as complex as AOC) and EVE (which is a hardcore MMO) that succeeded in this type of thing. I don't even want to talk about how hard it will be to manage all those nodes and tax mechanics.

13:40 "making people do something / buy your product" - simply informing people about your product isn't the same as manipulation. Manipulation is utilizing psychological tricks like FOMO. "Everybody does it, so it's fine" is an incredibly weak argument, and you are basically saying principles shouldn't exist when they are not the popular or profitable thing to do. Imagine one day all games become P2W crypto games or something. At that point you won't be saying "everybody does it, so it's not a problem". "It's just how games are now, you have to pick your poison at some point" - nobody is telling you to stop gaming altogether, or even not to play WoW or AoC specifically. But you can still criticize them for bad practices or bad aspects. Especially when you love something, you should want it to be the best it can be. You see it developing in a bad direction? Give feedback.

He may not want to hear it but FOMO relies on the same psychological hooks. It’s not 100%, but it ain’t zero either. As for marketing tactics, loot boxes are also a marketing tactic. Yada yada. Zack is a smart guy who’s unfortunately fallen in to the bad habit of dismissing and name calling any time he’s challenged on his less solid perceptions. I get it, he’s deluged with peoples BS but not everyone who disagrees is wrong or a moron.

My problem with fomo in video games is the fact that everything's digital there's no reason for anything to be limited. Why can't I someone who paid money to play this game access content and rewards from years ago just because I started liking the game later than other people.

it's not about the annoyance of being advertised to. it's the fact that the core of the game is almost always undermined by it. they carve out chunks of the game and sell them back to you at a premium, they introduce mechanics specifically to encourage people to pay to avoid them. They give unearned advantages to players who give them large amounts of money. The store is about the only thing guaranteed to be working on day one. It is like if someone had a carwash, so they decided one day to take buckets of dirt to the parking lot next door, cover every car in it and then put a card under their wiper that says "this dirt sure would be a whole lot easier to get off the car at the carwash across the street. Today only, you get a 50% discount. just ask for the I'm a sucker special."

As soon as I noticed that his background is made up of empty pizza boxes I immediately wanted to topple it, plus the pepsi cans. That would be fun.

I love MMORPG games, and even suffered through a few of the copy paste ones of late just to get that fix. But this one is EXTREMELY on my radar. I really really hope this works out AOC is the first one in a long time that's captured my imagination again like the old days off the MMO lifestyle

I played the dungeon and multiplayer AoC tech demo at PAX East 2015/16. The combat was unresponsive, abilities were sloshy, weapons felt horrible, and the tab targeting (no hybrid back then) felt awful. I’m glad they’ve updated it to this new combat system, but they need another major combat revamp or overhaul before this eventually releases.

I know a few people that dropped a few hundred dollars on the kickstarter, if it turns out to be a scam I'll never hear the end of it.

Steven said 15 dollars a month is more than enough to support a game of this size. So get rid of the cosmetic shop? That's the absolute worst thing you could do to a game like this

My fist thought with any MMO is can i play with lots of people on my screen at 60FPS and not feel lag . Many MMO's failed that test for a fair period of time . I was in the WOW beta and that set a minimum standard for me as it felt really good for a beta.

The amount of hype for this game is the most concerning thing about it honestly. People and content creators are hyping it up again and it really feels like its another set up for a faceplant like New World.

When it comes to cosmetics, in fact, when it comes to any progression, for the sake of this example, Warframe does this best. You can get premium currency for cash and purchase close to anything with that currency. However, you can also play completely free, farm the premium currency and obtain everything for free, reasonably.

WoW has good reason for SOME of it's asset reuse, because originally it appealed to Warcraft players and one part of that was seeing the same copy/paste buildings FROM THE RTS GAME WARCRAFT 3 but instead frome the perspective of one character.

I usually agree with what Asmon says, and I even to a degree agree with him here but what I dont agree with is saying everyone that is arguing with him are stupid...give me a break man.

The Battle Pass quests was impossible to achieve after the changes they made due to lack of players. The gameplay was 50% playable and 50% unplayable. Even tried contacting them but got no response. This is the only thing preventing me from trying the game at launch. After being scammed once there is no way I will walk on a second mine field unless anyone else path a road for me.

My thoughts on FOMO are this; make a tier system. Tier 4 is basic game price ($60), tier 3 is $40, tier 2 is 20, tier 1 is $1. Instead of fomo, have the new batch of cosmetics start at tier 4, and every month, drop them down a tier. It gives people the option of how much to spend on a cosmetic, and the longer you wait, the cheaper it gets. The people that want to support the game and are able to fully support can. Those who can’t afford tier 4, can simply wait until it hits a price point that they can afford.

biggest issue i see with ashes is the fact that i understand that once the artists who make the game their job"ends" and they are on hold they create these skins mounts armors etc. the biggest issue i have is that these skins should just be in the game as the game isnt even out yet and after the game comes out they should start only after that start creating new skins for the shops, day 1 skins dlc etc etc is so cancerous and abusive

I feel 2 things are facts, not a scam but also not "the next big thing" I feel it'll be borderline between standard decent MMO and Niche nonsense with the "only the best get flying mounts" or can be whatever the mayor or shit is. I feel the difficulty will end up on Wildstar levels but with a less fun factor. Visually it could rival Black Desert but I feel overall it'll end up mid tier. Also side note there's a cure for "fomo" just don't be a nerd and if you don't want to spend don't spend I've never spent a dime in a free to play or any mmo, I just play the game...it's not complicated.

Zack is truly the king of double standards.. "Don't give them money if you don't agree with them" says the guy who to a large degree rose to internet fame because he's constantly bitching about World of Warcraft, which he keeps playing....

These seems like a great idea for a pvp mode tho - medium sized map, drop in and last man wins, great idea for more pvp modes & content.

Id rather have a shop for cosmetics than a montly sub, than some pay to win mechanic or the devs selling gold. People want the perfect game for 0 dollars, it just doesnt work like that....

I am a kickstart backer and that cash grab battle royale made me lose faith in the project. I almost sold my kickstarter package off. Now, I am happy I didnt sell it. but at the time, it was really a cash grab and made it feel like yet another scam.

I might have missed on some points, since I didn't watch entire video, but just wanted to share my thoughts. Gambling is exploitation of cost sunk fallacy. Selling level boosters is exploitation of peoples desire for convenience. Fomo is exploitation of peoples, well, fear of missing out. All 3 are different types of exploitation of different aspects of human psychology. So it is not unreasonable for people to put all 3 into same box and call them bad. As for an argument "no company can have a promotional offer", it is very important to take context into consideration. When it comes to selling objects that have real life physical presence, it is not the same as with video games. Here's an example. If KZfaqr or Twitch streamer decided to sell, lets say plushies. They told their audience, "I made 1000 of those, once they are sold, you can't buy anymore". Technically, that is a fomo, but there is a big but there. Each plushie has a cost to make. So if they continue making more, at some point there is a risk people will stop buying them and they will loose money. Same logic can't apply to video games, because once code is made, it is there. It actually takes additional effort to remove something from a game that is already there. So if game developers added a skin to the game and said "it will be there for a month and then we remove it", that is predatory, because there are no practical reasons to do that, other then them manipulating their player base to earn more money.

“ No one is too good to drink normal Pepsi “ . This is Asmon’s BEST take yet .

I bought the basic “Closed Beta Access” kickstarter for this game and I’ve been waiting almost 10 years for my access code… they’ve been in closed alpha 1 for almost 8 years now like wtf

12:40 no one is mind controlling you and making you go to the liquor store and buy liquor either, yet we still regulate who can buy it, how much they can buy, and when they can buy it.

Making a game that's good, so everyone wants to give you their money to play it is the biggest brain scam I've ever heard.

I think it may be a really expensive way to alter search results. Like torrent in Elden Ring. Maybe a certain government official wanted to dilute their prominence on Google. Maybe.

i remember back in Archeage there was a dude (whale) in our guild and he used to talk about making this game im not sure if hes a dev or the owner.. crazy to think 3+ years later he did it...

The kick starter is optional. Steven has said he does not need any of them money from it to develop the game. The kickstarter/pre orders on in game time, currency, cosmetics is there to purely give the development more fuel to get the game done sooner.

If this were about just about any other game Asmon would be all about putting it down. But because he wants this game badly he'll simp for it until it's dead.

Early acces is like a bad relationship in the modern world. Your partner leads you on telling you, they love you. Throughout that relationship problems would stir up, and they would give you gifts and beg for forgiveness. You both then would try to keep the relationship going. But eventually the relationship becomes toxic and your partner ditches you to deal with the mess left behind. When your eyes meet up randomly in public, they are with someone else. While you are left to feel anguish. = Early access gives you the game - you play- find bugs- they try to fix- apologies for bugs - more and more bugs- they give up- you are left to play a useless game , while they are using the Kickstarter money on another project.

i do get some fomo to an extent, but when it comes to streaming, i always wait for vods. i rather be able to skip ahead if there is a part i dont like or find boring. like with gameplay streams. or with like the current gamescom. if i find a game super boring i can skip to the next announcment

Spends 20 videos trashing FOMO in Diablo Immortal, spends half the video trash talking viewers and defending FOMO in this game he never played. Pretty sure Asmon's remaining hairs are just his braincells running away from the black hole he has for a brain.

There's different levels of FOMO There's rotating sales, extremely common, everyone knows about it, but it's socially acceptable. There's rotating item availability, this is extremely annoying, but you just have to wait. There's one time items, literally have had people I know stop playing a game because they started playing after seeing a cool cosmetic, that they wanted, and then stopped because there was no point without that cosmetic. Sometimes appearance and character thematic are extremely important to some people. But still not _that_ predatory. Then we start to get into the stuff that starts to get properly predatory. Battle Passes that expire, like Seasonal content in Destiny 2 for example. "I've paid you money for these cosmetics." "Okay, you have this much time to grind the ever living crap out of the game and if you don't make it, too bad." This is the deal breaker for me, want to play a video game because I enjoy playing a videogame, I don't want to play a videogame because a developer put a carrot on a stick in front of me. I stopped playing Destiny 2 entirely because, while I enjoyed actually playing the game, before I could pull out my scout rifle and play void subclass I had to first spend 2 hours doing bounties because there was no other way to progress. I work a full time job I don't want to come home and work another full time job to get something that I paid for, that's the whole reason that I worked to make money... To pay fo rthings.

People really need to learn to deal with their FOMO. Was having a discussion with another player - the player complained that the devs introduced a drop on a very rare spawn. The drop wasn't significantly powerful at all, but just kind of a small reward for encountering the rare enemy. According to him, because the spawn was too rare to farm out a high quality version of it, that the item shouldn't exist because he personally wasn't satisfied with it. When told that he doesn't need to get everything and that other players were happy with the enemy having an interesting drop, he asked "I want to have everything. Why are you trying to hurt players like me?". I don't even know what to say to people like this. Like imagine building your identity around having everything in the game while simultaneously trying to devalue that identity by trying to remove things that are unique or interesting from that.

“It’s not fair to criticise fomo because every business uses fomo” also “monetisation in mobile games is not ok even though all mobile games are monetised like that”.

Asmongolds response to every criticism: "They are just saying that because they are arrogant and don't know how the world works, I'm right, end of conversation".

As long as there's plenty of armors earnable in-game that look similar or higher in quality, there's really no problem charging a shit load and giving these people alpha/beta/beta access and $260 worth of sub time and cosmetic store coin. It gives these people an opportunity to grab something unique for supporting them before the game is anywhere near ready. I think when alpha 2 comes around, a lot nay-sayers will start to really reconsider their opinions.

MMO's are not truely done until no more content can be made or they run out of funds

His point about cosmetics is why I hated transmog. Back in classic wow or everquest you could look at a character and know what dungeons and raids/ bosses they've killed and it visually told a story of what they've done or what they do. Idk I just miss the fun of killing a boss and finding a cool item you havnt seen before and showing it off in town. Only one that did it different that I liked was eso with sets. The build diversity and depth in the sets. I hope newer mmos would bring more uniqueness to their drops. Like even in destiny everything just feels like a number except for rhe guns .

The root of this guy’s anger is the monetization of cosmetics. As a result, he has a pretty broad interpretation of the word “scam”. The fact that Steve has sunk $45 million of his own $$$$ into this game tells me it’s not a scam since he will lose some serious money if the game never comes to light.

It's not about self control. Just like you can simply dislike it on principle, when they add a new mount to the store, instead of as an in-game reward, you can dislike on principle something that is FOMO, instead of permanently added to the store. It's dislike that something that could have been available in a better form, isn't. Also IRL FOMO is mostly about discounts and even if something is produced only in limited quantities, you can still buy it later from those who resell it. Digital goods are worse about that, just like loot boxes are worse than trading cards.

Did you know, sales are essentially, the epitome of fomo. Buy now because it cheap, dont miss the cheap. Many people buy stuff they wouldnt normally simply because its on sale, and they dont wanna miss the opportunity of buying it with the sale in case they may want it later.

I didn’t know the bodybuilding judge Asmongold also had a twitch channel and played mmorpgs. Really shows you can do anything you put your mind to!

Just dont fking pre-order, wait for real gameplay footage and reviews and then vote with your money. Everyone who preorders and gets scammed deserves it and shout stfu for ever.

The hate for Apocalypse was way over blown and a lot of it came down players being confused thinking AoC was supposed to be an MMO and instead they were playing a BR. I actually thought Apocalypse was fun for what it was, despite all of the janky and buggy gameplay and apparently it provided valuable testing data for Intrepid. My only gripe with it and the major mistake Intrepid made with Apocalypse was that it was monetized at all. It should have just been a test environment for people to mess around with devoid of any monetization. That's the main thing that's hounded them about Apocalypse even after like 3 years.

I have pretty close to no impulse control which is why I pick what games I play carefully. I am also fully aware that there is literally nobody but my own fault. When I buy a skin on a game I don't cry that the game put me in this position.

Battle Royale is a new genre that brought a certain community of players and devs with it. Most free download battle royale games have gone down a certain route of "a year after release we will release as many cosmetics as possible to ruin immersion and make more money. If a player says the pink diamond skin pack that shoots pink bullets ruin immersion, they aren't a true fan/gamer"

This might be some of his worse takes ever. I know he is suffering with pain from time to time, but one doesn't need to play devil's advocate for all things.

Not gona lie. Asmon has some bad takes in this video. Its good for him he isnt prone to FOMO. BUt many are not and those companies are are playing with teier fears. Tell people with phobias "Just get over it" and they will hate you. Because its not that simple. Fears are often diseases that need therapie and cant get turned on or off. "Dont get mad about a game. There are thousands more problems out of the word." Yes. But it wasnt the topic of this video. SO with that mindset you basicly cant get mad about anything because there are worse things in the world?

Make cosmetics craftable/tradeable. Then kind of play it like the D3RMAH and take a cut off the top. Then at least some players are still profiting and it offsets the feel bad of a company cash cowing cosmetics.

I never buy early access or kickstarter funded games anymore, devs tend to bail on projects when enough funding has been raised.

asmongold has clearly moved from the "has not" team. and good for him. but he's no longer a champion for you. and do not expect him to be one for you. this was the first vid that i have seen his thought process moved to the "has" team tho. 60$ + sub should give access to 100% of the game. "has" team dont care if a game stands by that statement or not. imo

In terms of Asmon's opinion with FOMO I don't entirely agree. He gives examples in the real world of FOMO such as watching a stream, but watching a stream does not include a direct exchange of money to make a purchase, so it's a bad example. A better example could be going to see a live concert. Although you can always listen to the artists music later on KZfaq or Spotify. Some limited edition items will Never again be seen. An exception to this rule are simple re-colors of an exclusive or easily obtainable item, made limited. Which I would say isn't nearly as bad as locking full items behind a limited time offer. Depending on how FOMO is used by game devs it can be either neutral or bad, preying on one's addictive or 'must have' tendencies. The one thing I didn't like was when Asmon called his audience out and called them "Pathetic" for giving into their urges with FOMO and lacking self control. Although it seemed a little rich coming from him, seeing as many new games I watch him play, he'll impulsively spend to get the highest tier item or weapon. Yes, you could argue it enhances the gameplay content for the stream, making the overall experience more fun, but in his own way he's still being just as impulsive, only for a different reason. We might spend to further boost our character and brag to friends, especially with FOMO, whereas Asmon would use it to boost his character and increase the quality of his stream. Edit: Generally speaking Asmon has good insight but I think in this matter he wasn't entirely correct. If something overall is has a negative lean I would consider it bad. It's hard for me to ever justify FOMO in a positive light. You can argue that in a game, a limited time event can be used to draw player retention but even then I would say that's neutral in it's own right, neither here nor there. On the other hand, it can be considered negative when-ever it is used to manipulate people into buying gear or items you'll never see again, even through typical gameplay means. It's like "800% value" You'd be a fool to miss out, see what I'm saying?

I remember something similar being thought of with a dragon survival game called Day of Dragons ._. It seems as if this is becoming a trend.

Do I hear at the background the music from Valheim?

You can't be mad at this thing if you're not mad at these other completely non related things* Every company psychologically manipulates you so why worry about this time* I dunno Asmon just said some pretty badly thought out stuff, lost points in my book.

There is an argument to be made for fomo, but Asmon, when was the last time you ever had to regulate yourself about getting something you wanted? It's pretty easy to talk down to people about wanting cosmetics in a game, but I don't think it should be done by you. It is an effective mechanism of coercing people that otherwise wouldn't pay. If it wasn't, it wouldn't exist. Them not being able to control themselves is not an argument, the topic is not gambling or other addictive substances or activities, it's the fact that you are guaranteed to miss out on something. And you also would not really understand it, as you've admitted previously that you don't care about cosmetics, but there are people that do, and the entire genre of gacha games is built on limited availability to maximize profits within those windows. So yeah your opinion might have weight behind it, but you're not qualified to properly support it, because you can't have experience as someone that fomo mechanics would impact.

How much pizza do you need? Narc: yes!

The difference is the product. "Its FOMO because you want to see streamer live" - true. But streamer can't be live 24/7 unless he's Zizaran. But digital thing that always will be in game files forever being limited sale is not the same as fresh bread selling out, or even only 5000 diamond watches or 500 cars being made. Someone still has to put time and effort and materials and space to make these. It takes no effort to sell people more digital shit.

To be honest I am more excited about Ashes and the Riot MMO than I am for Dragonflight, and I love wow, but I haven't "liked" wow for a very long time, unfortunately. Anything out there is worth trying imho. I played ffxiv and it was great but just not my cup of tea. More choices for my favorite genre the better.

I love getting lectured about being responsible for yourself by a guy who can’t even clean his own room consistently and lives off soda.

Had to explain to a buddy back in the day when dlc was just starting that no the content wouldn't have been free with the game the content either wouldn't exist or would be released as a sequel

The annoying thing is every other showcase they're flying on a mount. When they themselves Said flying mounts would be something a very small select few would have

FOMO is inevitable in life, and it's up to you to make critical choices that impact your life, and there's no escape from it, I am with Asmongold on that 100%. However, when it comes to cosmetics in the video game industry, I will never tolerate FOMO as long as I am alive, and I despise everyone and or company/studio that utilizes the practice in their digital products/games. Unlike the real world with limited resources, digital items are literally just lines of code that can be copied and distributed an infinite amount of times, it will never cease to exist as long as the original source code is maintained, secured, and properly archived for later use in case of an emergency. The FOMO introduced is predatory because the scarcity is artificial, there will never truly be a shortage of any digital item unless the source is either corrupted or permanently deleted purposefully / accidentally.

I still hate fomo no matter what. It sucks cock, just because it exist around me doesn't mean I have to like it. Yes almost every business in the world uses manipulation and fomo to some extent it's unavoidable in this day and age. Still very interesting to see you point of view tho, I don't agree but I like that you never hold back from saying your opinion. The only thing I like about ashes monthly cosmetic packs is that they are complete outfits so you will always know when someone just bought a set. Makes the unique transmog people put together themselves cooler.

Only thing I care about the FOMO thing is the fact that the game hasn't even released yet, and they're already FOMO:ing cosmetics... Perhaps wait until after release? Because I fear it might take up resources from production of the end product. But, like you said. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. I'm easily swept into the FOMO in many games, it all depends if what is marketed is actually something I want, like cosmetics or mount or whatever.

They were able to do Battle Royale, where another project would have lost all funding and died from bad feedback... huge advantage firca company that actually is motivated to make a game they want to play

"Learn to control yourself" If it's that simple, why are you against gambling and for FOMO? Why do you spend thousands on both anyway and encourage your viewers to do the same? Learn to control yourself.

I mean the studio proven nothing in the gaming world. Just don't give them more money and wait until they actually release good gameplay and not a bunch of empty maps with a couple monsters and a swing animation.

I mean, he can say he "covered" the cosmetics argument only if we take as granted that the devs' statement about the game being "funded to completion" is true. Alternatively, it could be that they are saying that so people keep buing the endless cosmetics for a game that, for intents and purposes, could never see a full release. It's sort of a "yeah, you can safely buy those, the game will be releasing 100%, pinky promise" - and there is no way someone could be able to tell if it's actually true or not. If anything, it makes little sense - because they say the game's already funded, and at the same time they sell cosmetics to cover the costs of more cosmetics, which are "not just cosmetics but world populating assets." As if the phrase "funded to completion" all of a sudden doesn't mean every aspect of the game, including graphcs. In other words, you can't just say it's funded to completion and then, at the same time, claim that you need cosmetic item sales to fund art for the game. Two points are directly contradicting each other - something's simply not funded to completion when it needs more funding for some part of it. There's simply no way around it. Even if someone tries to argue that it's "extra content, for content diversity, so that the game doesn't feel empty or repetative, and so they do it as cosmetics" - it means that they need all this extra content for the game to be good on release, but don't have money for it. I.e. it's NOT funded to completion, and they gather extra funding needed with copious amounts of cosmetic sales. Like, if it actually was funded to completion as they claim, wouldn't it make sense to have all those artists focused on release content? It would push the release to a sooner date and, once the release content is already covered and there's only stuff like QA and bugfixing left, they could safely switch to cosmetics and post-release content.

i find it funny how people are so quick to slap the SCAM label on a MMO project. its almost like making a large scale MMO is not something you just slap together in a afternoon. mean while, im sure some of those people calling Ashes of Creation a scam will then hype up Star citizen.

Asmon's "points" are always ad-hoc. I know he likes to jump-through hoops to not be wrong, but this video was ridiculous.

All this waiting and copium for another flavour of the week mmo that's going to soar briefly and then turn into ashes (heh) with a couple thousand people playing consistently. The game fatigue is real.

I think people's kneejerk reaction when they see Developer XYZ is releasing Yet Another Battle Royale(tm) to an already saturated market is simply for that fact. That it's an already saturated market and it looks like a lame cashgrab. Especially from a developer that doesn't have a release under their belt. Yes the individual team members have years of experience, but as a team they do not.

Star citizen has set a terrible precedent for crowd-funded games.

I have more faith in Ashes of Creation making it to market as a fairly complete game than, say, the whaler known as Star Citizen.

You were a bit oddly defensive and angry during this. As people might say in your sphere. It seemed like you were malding and also coping a bit. IF it is the case hope you feel better soon! Note: as an outsider who never really formed any opinions on ashes even though I've seen a lot of the videos about it. it is kinda weird to sell cosmetics before you even release your game. Like I understand a pre-order bonus or foundation supporter pack or something, but it seems like they're just doing a Star citizen and banking on the fact that they might ACTUALLY release SOMETHING eventually. It's weird that businesses expect to operated in perpetuity (and furthermore it's weird people with business sense expect them to) when they haven't released the thing they're making. Like I get "a company needs money for operating costs" but if I haven't GOTTEN the thing from them....why the hell am I suppose to pretend like these "operating costs" are just NATURALLY justified. Businesses deserve to continue to operate if they make the money to justify themselves. IF we're applying these "truths" of capitalism anyway. Begging for more donations to continue is flat out saying you failed as a business and you're begging for an emotional redo. Purely fact. It feels like a digital cybertruck.

I can't believe Asmon is talking about video games when the entire universe is moving towards a heat death in just a few billion short years.

"learn to controll yourself" as he drinks a can of sugar yea okkkkk