Astro just Launched.... Could it be the ultimate web framework?

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Жыл бұрын

Astro version 1.0 just launched giving developers a way to build server-rendered websites with any JavaScript framework. It uses the islands architecture and partial hydration to deliver fast apps with frameworks like React, Vue, Svelte, and more.
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@kamadoori Жыл бұрын

They decided endless amounts of JS frameworks wasn't enough. Now we have endless amount of framework-frameworks.

@alexxx4434 Жыл бұрын

Abstractions: "We need to go deeper"

@ajiteshmishra Жыл бұрын

introduction blitz js a framework for next js which is a react js framework which is a javascript framework

@lloydatkinson8030 Жыл бұрын

This is a really poor take. It's a framework that doesn't force you to use any particular framework, or even no framework at all.

@igoralmeida9136 Жыл бұрын

meta framework

@Darth_Bateman Жыл бұрын

I mean, why not have framework-frameworks? Since some frameworks do so many things better, why not enable the ability to have multiple benefits with fewer trade offs?

@winken2666 Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to rewrite my unfinished hobby app for the fourth time 🥰

@jmcw Жыл бұрын

I feel attacked.

@hiryuimajin Жыл бұрын

😭💀

@kornflakesss Жыл бұрын

HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DEAD😂

@zaurhasanov5458 7 ай бұрын

Haahhahaha

@hewrchelsea6622 Жыл бұрын

"The last thing the world needs is another Javascript framework"

@herrbanane Жыл бұрын

Maybe "just another".

@unpatitoRU Жыл бұрын

Nowadays it has changed quite a bit: "The last thing the world needs is another 'comment complaining/copy-pasting' about JS frameworks each time new JS content is released"

@kenthankgod2619 Жыл бұрын

@@unpatitoRU lol

@feritperliare2890 Жыл бұрын

To be fair this is less a new framework and more of a tool case of other frameworks

@herrbanane Жыл бұрын

@@feritperliare2890 a metaframework

@thenightguy6816 Жыл бұрын

Another Framework that goes in my list of "Will use it soon".

@08-harshpathak36 Жыл бұрын

For real man a lot of cs technology is in the same list for me

@weavis2446 Жыл бұрын

I tried it out and I can confirm it is very nice to use

@ba8e Жыл бұрын

Thank FUCK for Svelte! I don't care about anything else anymore.

@phucnguyen0110 Жыл бұрын

It's pretty nice actually - I am using one of its base template for my own personal blog :D

@zoladkow Жыл бұрын

oh boi, i remember i had a list like this, back in the days of "isomorphic javascript" (or whatever the buzzword was) when nodejs was gaining momentum, but as usual the tech stack was already predefined with most of logic in PL/SQL - for reasons 🤷‍♂

@johnadams6249 Жыл бұрын

100 years past and my brother and I discovered the new JS framework, a framework named Astro. And although it’s already at version 1.0, there’s a lot to be done before it’s ready to be deployed anywhere. But I believe Astro can save the internet.

@gethermedel3620 Жыл бұрын

@Richard Müller I need a 10 damn seasons for this.

@cubeofcheese5574 Жыл бұрын

@asandax6 Жыл бұрын

I see you've been watching the anime Avaframe.

@praveengopu9325 Жыл бұрын

Vampires developer

@joshuarowe8410 Жыл бұрын

Love this

@Wielorybkek Жыл бұрын

Wow, instead of doing something with one framework now I can do the same thing using two frameworks!

@ratulsaha9487 Жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@user-ny7rn7mh9e Жыл бұрын

@@johnodonoghue651 vanilla is always the best flavor

@Jubinmail Жыл бұрын

@@user-ny7rn7mh9e butterscotch is not that bad.

@igorswies5913 Жыл бұрын

@@johnodonoghue651 for a mostly static website or for a web app?

@OP-hw4xj Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of that guy on Dragon's Den, who's startup idea was that people call him on the phone when their car breaks down just so he can tell them to go to a mechanic

@DreckbobBratpfanne Жыл бұрын

Long ago, the webdevs lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Frameworks attacked. Only Astro, master of all Frameworks, could stop them. . . EDIT: Funny how 1 out of 4 comments make the same joke

@aweaweee430 Жыл бұрын

Avatar, the legend of astro

@Way_Of_The_Light Жыл бұрын

Brilliant 🤣🤣👏👏👏

@peterlogo1193 Жыл бұрын

ok this is amazing😂

@MaxMalm Жыл бұрын

"EDIT: Funny how 1 out of 4 comments make the same joke" Because it's an overused joke because repetition = funny, yawn

@DreckbobBratpfanne Жыл бұрын

@@MaxMalm sadly yeah xD

@iclx613 Жыл бұрын

Added 5 years Astro experience to my resume

@IStMl Жыл бұрын

amateur, I have 10

@ahmed-ll3kk 25 күн бұрын

@@IStMl nah , i have 79

@quinten01 Жыл бұрын

Astro be like: Yo dawg I heard you like frameworks. Here's a framework for your frameworks.

@daleryanaldover6545 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, a meta framework, one might not even know they are already using meta frameworks, api, and libraries on a daily basis.

@ayushvyas3401 Жыл бұрын

Another web framework, much needed indeed.

@anonymgamer3416 Жыл бұрын

Did you even watched the video? It's a framework, that will end the framework war. You can use it with every other framework you want. It's not just another JS framework. Some people really just see red and are fully of negativity these days...

@Nubb_ Жыл бұрын

@@anonymgamer3416 *might

@Jorgeee Жыл бұрын

@@anonymgamer3416 Nobody needs this

@cryMoreLoL Жыл бұрын

@@anonymgamer3416 right, because all the other frameworks NEVER said that 🙄

@cabanford Жыл бұрын

@@Jorgeee says a guy who's never used Astro - or??

@konstantinh.9417 Жыл бұрын

Another "ultimate" web/js Framework, much needed indeed

@wtho Жыл бұрын

Then don't watch a KZfaq channel whose connect consists by 30% of (new) JS frameworks

@xorinzor Жыл бұрын

@@wtho Just because he might have many videos on that doesn't mean it's the goal of this channel, nor the reason we subscribe to it.

@ChaoticNeutralMatt Жыл бұрын

@@wtho nor is this strong reaction really needed. It's not like this was a personal attack.

@wtho Жыл бұрын

My comment was meant more sarcastic and ironic than attacking, but I can see how it can feel attacking.

@johnyepthomi892 Жыл бұрын

@@wtho the point is to bring the new to light and it’s up to us to try it or ignore it. It’s silly to complain about new frameworks. I’m glad there’s people trying different things and we get to pick and choose what we want, if you’re clever, you’d shut up and be a keen observer or contributor or user or IGNORE IT and move on.

@dputra Жыл бұрын

The first thing that comes to mind is a documentation site. Perfect fit for static MPA, more extensible than mkdocs (probably), and the ability to structure things with components instead of writing duplicated part of documents in markdown over and over again.

@LordOfCake Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a perfect use case for Docusaurus TBH.

@bronzekoala9141 Жыл бұрын

Hugo already does this very well though. I use it for the the documentation of my course at university.

@cotneit Жыл бұрын

I decided to judge FE framework by its docs in this case, and Nuxt ones are much more responsive than Astro ones Astro is still amazing though and AFAIK they're working on a client-side routing solution

@HyuLilium Жыл бұрын

The problem with multi page docs is that i cannot use Ctrl+f to search the whole documentation.

@unformed Жыл бұрын

@@HyuLilium thats why they have a dedicated search

@alister_ Жыл бұрын

I could easily imagine a lot of frameworks like Astro competing with each other, and frameworks being built upon those frameworks that are built upon frameworks. Just like today, but... with more frameworks and complexity.

@JorgetePanete Жыл бұрын

"With this new component language, you only need to make and deploy a new service, in just 1 second. This has been AI.js in 100 seconds"

@dylanjesus1552 Жыл бұрын

That's it. Back to being a caveman.

@bonbonsweetness Жыл бұрын

@@JorgetePanete I'm literally gonna make this right now

@vaiterius 6 ай бұрын

@@bonbonsweetnessDid you make it?

@nielskersic328 Жыл бұрын

I think Astro is gonna have a big impact on how we write apps in future. This framework agnostic approach using island architecture is really exciting. I'd love to see a Qwik in 100 seconds at some point too, because that seems very interesting too

@ChaoticNeutralMatt Жыл бұрын

That's probably on the list tbh. Have you heard of Tauri?

@msdhaliwal Жыл бұрын

i tried tauri as alternate to electronJs, it still needs lot of works. but tauri is still great for some very specific use cases.

@min-of8cv Жыл бұрын

then there will be another astro

@msdhaliwal Жыл бұрын

there will be 10 more astro and then they will launch super-astro or astro-plus as framework for them

@GeekGamingOffic1al Жыл бұрын

Seems like a framework that actually offers something new and doesn't reinvent the wheel. Good stuff.

@SoloElROY Жыл бұрын

Said every new framework

@Ephicx Жыл бұрын

Lets be real, it does the exact same shit people did with html and javascript a decade ago. maybe some jquery components at most. lets see... client load, idle, visible... yeah lets just do some document domcontentloaded, and some inline scripts... woaahhhh amazing.... lmao, dead on release. webshit in 2022....

@Phasma6969 Жыл бұрын

@@Ephicx ayy lmao

@tomebundalevski1872 Жыл бұрын

@@Ephicx well put

@tecnoPTY Жыл бұрын

Reinvent the wheel? what about simple INCLUDES like old days in ASP or PHP or even DHTML?

@ratulsaha9487 Жыл бұрын

Yay now I can spend hours setting 2 frameworks in my project instead of just one like always has been!!! Thanks Astro!!

@FryuniGamer Жыл бұрын

Actually 3 frameworks, that two that will actually make the UI plus Astro itself. Ain't that great?

@lloydatkinson8030 Жыл бұрын

This is the dumbest take imaginable. Did you even bother to watch the video or look at the docs? If you honestly take hours to type "npx astro add react" perhaps reconsider your career.

@kinstar Жыл бұрын

😅

@chrisnorthfield2119 Жыл бұрын

"When these rich companies wage JavaScript framework war, it’s us poor developers who die" - this is great 😂

@ankushchaudhary9228 Жыл бұрын

That was THE BEST code report I saw about Astro framework, awesome job @Fireship.

@hafizmohammed6536 Жыл бұрын

Scientists have predicted that by 2025, every person on earth will have their own js framework

@alfred8167 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that will be a general human right as well.

@IStMl Жыл бұрын

thats right, i started creating mine last week. Version 1.0 out in 10 years

@AbhinavKulshreshtha Жыл бұрын

This feels similar to the very old days when ajax was hot buzz word, and we used to build a page where every single interaction was separate from entire page. It was a lot of code and possibly the reason why jquery was so handy for us. The feel of the page was very SPA like, except for the url change that the current navigation and history api makes available to us. We just used to have a # on url and let each section of page update itself using ajax, by downloading snippets of html blocks that we inserted into the section.

@baka_baca Жыл бұрын

Wow! The thought that we don't need to commit to 1 framework/library but still get pretty much all of the things is amazing! I've seen plenty of times where 1 framework might work better in some situations and then another in other situations. Or sometimes it would be great to just gradually port over code from one to another instead of needing a full rewrite up front. If Astro can handle this, then I really want to check it out!

@otockian Жыл бұрын

I got to be honest, Astro shocked the hell out of me, which doesn't happen very often.

@FaizanAnwerAli Жыл бұрын

Same feeling

@macjabeth5073 Жыл бұрын

Awesome. Now I can put 5 years of Astro experience on my resume.

@abdullatifthe1 Жыл бұрын

Always love your Updates, and it keeps me informed and highly entertained!! Lot's of Love to you FireShip!!

@glencarpenter3144 Жыл бұрын

The sheer amount of videos you put out makes me realize how insane the web framework ecosystem really is

@phucnguyen0110 Жыл бұрын

Yay! I am using this for one of my basic personal blog, love it :D

@Nameru26 Жыл бұрын

But how does it solve the framework-war? In my head there are a bunch devs working on a project, everyone in their favourite framework, becaus astro's intercompatibility. This results in even more unreadable and mixed code inside a single repository. Making it even harder to maintain.

@tommorello3871 Жыл бұрын

Shhh, you're not supposed to have good ideas on a fireship video

@somascope1834 Жыл бұрын

For sure a good question. We probably all know that nothing in the frontend is ever really "solved" - heh - but, maybe the point of this video's statement there is that it doesn't require a singular choice, and gives the dev the freedom to choose their own UI framework. I think that's the level the idea was on. But I get what you're saying, too! There for sure would be huge problems if a team used multiple JS frameworks/libraries on an Astro project.

@smilefriend7171 11 ай бұрын

Now front ends will have to learn react+angular+svelte+vue and Astro

@clouis906 Жыл бұрын

Seems great, simple enough to use for static sites, extendable enough for larger applications & you really only need to learn one framework.

@terribleprogrammer Жыл бұрын

I will stick to jQuery for the next 30 years and wait for JS frameworks to mature! :)

@natouche68 Жыл бұрын

You're amazing ! I just started a new project using Astro. Perfect timing, like with all your others videos !

@carldrogo9492 10 ай бұрын

Always jumping on the hype train. 🤦🏼‍♂️

@natouche68 10 ай бұрын

@@carldrogo9492 There is nothing wrong with testing new technologies and frameworks

@theohallenius8882 Жыл бұрын

Astro + Svelte is every developers dream, even if web development is still a nightmare.

@IStMl Жыл бұрын

is it a good stack for large, backend-heavy web apps? Im completely new to the JS ecosystem

@adreto2978 11 ай бұрын

@@IStMlI think these frameworks are very nice but are not used widely professionally. If you're trying to get a job, stick with React.

@whynotdean8966 Жыл бұрын

So what I'm hearing is that we can technically all say we have 10 years of experience with a brand new framework, because the framework is just a bundle of frameworks.

@pechupechaairukkattum6986 Жыл бұрын

To generate static sites, I use gulp with gulp-nunjucks-render plugin and gulp data plugin. Has been foolproof for a long time now.

@SlimyFrog123 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video as always! Keep up the good work!

@chris.dillon Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update. See you in the next JS framework release video.

@DaneRossenrode Жыл бұрын

After the Astro in 100 seconds vid, I rebuild my agency site in Astro. Some parts were a bit tricky, and I still need to implement full site search... but it was a fantastic experience. I now love Astro!

@sciuresci1403 Жыл бұрын

How did you manage it in 2 hours sir ?

@aquiveal Жыл бұрын

@@sciuresci1403 he is talking about the ol video.

@bakedbeings Жыл бұрын

@@sciuresci1403 He has 2 years of Astro experience, just like us.

@rubennijhuis Жыл бұрын

I do think Astro will change how we view front-end libraries. But I don't think Astro will be the final tool that will set up this split version of web development. Interested to see where this goes!

@AndreyRadchishin Жыл бұрын

isn't every tool "the final tool"?

@abdurrehmankhalid2290 Жыл бұрын

At the very end if we have to add interactivity we have to use an existing framework. SO, Astro is another "JavaScript" Framework mainly helping to generate the Static Websites using the any other specified JavaScript framework. That looks really interesting!

@oussama-jabrane Жыл бұрын

Nice video. Now we need more frameworks

@CyberQuickYT Жыл бұрын

There's also a library that allows embeding svelte components in other frameworks like React and Vue - because svelte doesn't bring any framework code with it, it doesn't slow down the website like bringing react to svelte.

@IStMl Жыл бұрын

great, so now we don't just have to choose between frameworks, but also framework-hybrids

@dmitrykulakov662 Жыл бұрын

We are currently using astro on a quite huge project. Interesting yet a bit raw stuff

@sofianealloui Жыл бұрын

Yesterday I was watching one of your videos that you mentioned Astro !

@dawizze1 Жыл бұрын

I just wish the community would put half the effort they put into js frameworks into making css not suck.

@dacam29 Жыл бұрын

Amazing content! Very inspiring! 🚀💯 Im thinking of making that kind of video, but in french. The template is very good! 💯

@elephant_888 Жыл бұрын

I’m enjoying Remix JS very much today, so I’m just going to give Astro a thumbs up and keep on Remixing for now.

@cantTouch948 Жыл бұрын

Astro be like: F it, just merge the 3 nations

@UGPepe Жыл бұрын

Gawd so many new and innovative ideas that had never been tried before

@AmusedGrape Жыл бұрын

I've used (and contributed!) to Astro, and it is by far the best JS framework I've used.

@AlexanderSuraphel Жыл бұрын

Have you used SvelteKit? What do you like more about Astro?

@ISHak2119 Жыл бұрын

Finally! Yet another js framework to replace all the other frameworks. Can't wait to forget it when another framework comes out

@nathanashe3770 Жыл бұрын

See as the only rookie here by the looks of it, these frameworks are making it really easy for people like myself to get a grip and work backwards... It took looking into React for me to start getting a gist on how these websites I was looking into were using things like Livewire. I feel like Astro will do similar, like WordPress does for helping figuring out front end structure I feel like this will support research into backend structure. Really interested tbh. :)

@alper Жыл бұрын

thank you so much , it worked 🙂

@cmnweb Жыл бұрын

Astro es la onda, lo uso para proyectos estáticos y next para sitio mas dinámicos.

@addanametocontinue Жыл бұрын

What do you get when you create a framework to replace 12 other frameworks? You get 13 frameworks.

@AtulVinayakS Жыл бұрын

wow great video. Let's see if anyone remembers astro in 6 months.

@danisob3633 Жыл бұрын

Slow descent to madness from Fireship to Frameworkship

@duppy404 9 ай бұрын

Dude this is perfect for me because it allows me to mix static html with React components. Asteo is amazing!

@XerosXIII Жыл бұрын

nice, always want a middle way framework than choosing a side

@alii4334 Жыл бұрын

I expected you to make an additional video about it but not so fast 🤩

@sibusisobuthelezi9587 Жыл бұрын

10 years of experience working with Astro , no exeption.

@bigmistqke Жыл бұрын

10 years of no more telling this joke for u!

@mohamedamineayadi7290 Жыл бұрын

fresh and this framework looks attractive

@alichamas63 Жыл бұрын

Finally... I have tools available to build... a website.

@ironmancloud8882 Жыл бұрын

Every day I woke up & deal with new js framework

@user-pc7ih3cb4y Жыл бұрын

Our team will meet today to discourse about when we will start to rewrite whole our projects on Astra. It's really complicated cause we already started to rewrite them on Fresh. Damn, if only there was an easier way...

@LinkEX Жыл бұрын

This seems pretty ergonomic in terms of resources used: Rather than loading huge amounts of JS like most frameworks, it restricts itself to just the animations you really need. If nothing else, this might reduce C02 emissions by virtue of fewer files being sent across the web, heh.

@Winnetou17 Жыл бұрын

And less time parsing code that is not used

@coolsai Жыл бұрын

you should start video series specially for frameworks

@SimplyMerlin Жыл бұрын

new upload every hour!

@dankelly Жыл бұрын

You had me at "multi-page applications".

@maitreya3220 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos. Hope to see a video on WebAuthn

@JavArButt Жыл бұрын

I must say, I really appreciate your humor. The way you use images that match what you're saying is very clever and it ~ always makes me laugh. Thank you for the entertainment.

@perhapsyes2493 Жыл бұрын

As a frontend dev that develops a software that by definition by how our security model works, we will never be able to do (full) SSR. It kind of warms my heart that I'm bypassing so many issues. Sure, performance lacks sometimes. Sometimes, that doesn't matter as much. :)

@jaysonbunnell8097 Жыл бұрын

sounds blazingly fast to me

@prettykool9641 Жыл бұрын

"So, what's your go-to framework?" "It's complicated."

@shegsdev Жыл бұрын

Jeff: Astro could be the ultimate web framework Michael: Or is it 🤔?

@bootbhai Жыл бұрын

Wow, every month I have new JS framework. Already 3 dozens of JS. Now, frameworks are like my childhood toys

@scottwilson1620 Жыл бұрын

Fireship, please make a video on EdgeDB! What they are doing is a paradigm shift (ok maybe not but close). I think your viewers would be greatly interested.

@uhmarcel7417 Жыл бұрын

"As asap as possible" I'm stealing that one lol

@xN811x Жыл бұрын

This confirms once again: Frontend dev is about reinventing the wheel while creating an absolute mess of domain-specific languages, footguns, and hidden magic. It's so exhausting to keep track of all the projects, it makes you wonder why we ever departed from PHP...

@Ghibliite Жыл бұрын

ok boomer

@xN811x Жыл бұрын

@@Ghibliite why so mad bro?

@ba8e Жыл бұрын

Svelte did it for me. Nothing else matters.

@Firzj Жыл бұрын

New framework suggestion in the near future: AstroPhysics 🚀

@mektrode Жыл бұрын

And finally Astro the Avatar framework!! Harnessing the elements of Fire (Angular) Water (React) Earth (Vue) and Air (Svelte?) 😂

@adomelka Жыл бұрын

At one moment I was shocked Ubisoft logo would come in at 3:05. :D By the way my latest project was made with Astro, really nice framework, used Svelte with it and it was so easy, although it had some little quirks that I hope will be fleshed out in the future. Cheers! :)

@gyros9162 11 ай бұрын

I see stuff I have no Idea about - I go to the Fireship

@alessandroscimone5463 Жыл бұрын

I definitely agree!

@NuncNuncNuncNunc Жыл бұрын

Only thing missing is an Aero framework so you can have and Aero/Astro site. I'll have to settle for Astro with an AstraDB datastore. You can go from the stone age to the space age with a Deno/Astro combo.

@wlockuz4467 Жыл бұрын

The AAAAA stack Aero Astro AstraDB Angular Apache Server

@kaibe5241 Жыл бұрын

Oh shit, this is awesome :D

@VarunGupta3009 Жыл бұрын

Re-built my resume over 5 times, first Vanilla, then Tailwind, then back to Vanilla, then Svelte, then Astro + li'l Svelte. Looks perfect now... doesn't it? ... _doesn't it?_

@stevemcwin Жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff, could you do a video on the Nim programming language please?

@alexxx4434 Жыл бұрын

Finally, "a JS framework to end all JS frameworks"!

@soundofprice 3 ай бұрын

This is getting nuts

@freelearningcode1936 Жыл бұрын

Cool🔥

@miklschmidt Жыл бұрын

MPA's is kind of the entire point of Astro, and it makes it a whole lot easier to use ye ol' random third party marketing tool which typically assumes the whole world still runs on wordpress and magento. If you want SPA's with SSR, go for next.js. It's OK that it doesn't do everything, in fact i'd argue it's better like this, limited scope usually makes for a better tool when you use the right tool for the job. Astro is great for marketing pages, don't use it to build products, there are better tools for that.

@edhahaz 5 ай бұрын

Said every dead js framework. The whole reason people flock to new stuff is because they CAN do everything.

@unstable8968 Жыл бұрын

I suggest covering the nim programming language

@willinton06 Жыл бұрын

I just went Blazor and never looked back

@user-ny4yt1kf9v Жыл бұрын

So can I center a div with it?

@CarKiller92 Жыл бұрын

So fashionable companies will start using this over their regular framework which will still remain there forever and it just adds 1 more tick to job applications. Nice.

@vaisakhkm783 Жыл бұрын

i am making my first app for production with svelte... 🙂 i would have conviced manager to use astro, but it is a single page app

@RusuTraianCristian Жыл бұрын

So if you need interactivity and state, you can opt in. Most of us do need it so most will opt in. Which means javascript is back and performance drops again which means there’re no point in using this in the first place. Unless you really want pure html which I can’t see why someone would want that.

@ikeako Жыл бұрын

Marketing pages, blogs, etc. Astro's really good for webSITES. For webapps though, other, more javascript heavy solutions would be more desirable.

@YNA64 Жыл бұрын

I can see it being really useful for sites that need SEO and at the same time needs dynamic data handling, search, etc. You could inject JavaScript to portions on the page that needs these stuff.

@EnSnut Жыл бұрын

As always, the best and most secure way to ship applications is to write no code and not deploy anything.

@YuriG03042 Жыл бұрын

Astro is a good medium if you are transitioning from one framework to another, as you don't need to finish the new before abandoning the old. Just one use case example out of many.

@pjos6406 Жыл бұрын

@@EnSnut what's the starting salary for these gigs?

@equinoxx8221 Жыл бұрын

I leave for like 1 month and you're already at 1+million subs😭♥️❤🔥

@h_maina Жыл бұрын

A big thank you to the astro devs, job requirements now expects one to have 10 years of astro experience. lol

@majorhumbert676 Жыл бұрын

We need a lower level API in the browser, not new frameworks that build upon html and css. Then we could use an existing framework like React to target that new API instead of the DOM. WebAssembly is nice, especially for the server. More work should be put into here. I guess we need some lower level API that can target the CPU. Then we wouldn't have to build native apps just for improving the app's performance. And we could render really beautiful menus; no need to be limited to plain borders, gradient backgrounds, text, and drop shadows.

@qm3ster Жыл бұрын

Solid.js is enough for anyone, it supports all of the deployment and delivery modes described. Allowing multiple frameworks just leads to pain and suffering further down the line.

@AlexanderSuraphel Жыл бұрын

The meta framework for solid(solid start) is not mature enough yet. Next or SvelteKit are good options at this point.

@qm3ster Жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderSuraphel with all die respect, that doesn't matter at all. If you're doing a hobby project, you can deal with it. If you're a mega corporation, just dedicate a single day of work and contribute the missing pieces. It will *always* be easier to migrate to the next version of solid.js vs migrating from SvelteKit/Nuxt/Next. Furthermore, you don't actually need a framework to deliver a good product in either of these delivery categories. There's enough in the library itself, and you'd probably want to tweak the wrapper anyway.

@AlexanderSuraphel Жыл бұрын

@@qm3ster I think frameworks are underrated in the amount of stuff they do for you. Can you dedicate a day and figure out session management, shared route state, client side navigation, prefetching etc..? These projects are done with a lot of contributors over months and some who are really good at what they do and working on it full time. Even Ryan is reserved to recommend anyone use solid start now..