Great video Jay! ASUS really needs calling out on this BIOS. SUPER important people do NOT adjust the IccMax amperage upwards from 280A limit IF they've loaded "Intel Baseline Profile" on ASUS' latest BIOS. That profile sets the SVID (loadline) to a setting called "Intel's Fail Safe". This is a misleading ASUS name, as it is neither from Intel, nor safe. "Intel's Fail Safe" SVID can (and this varies by CPU and motherboard model) put up to 1.67v Vcore into a 14900KS! Above 1.5v should only be for short durations. Please always keep ASUS' "SVID" setting at AUTO, unless your CPU is already unstable with all other settings and still needs more loadline to be stable. "AUTO" SVID + 400A/320W/320W results in a safe Vcore and is OK to use.

I won't buy ASUS again due to issues with my current ASUS motherboard and their dodgy warranty support.

Asus "In Search of Incredible" = "In Search of Your Wallets"

im glad to see that even Jay hits the del key nonstop during restart 😂

One of my first PCs was an Atlon advertized as having 1200Mhz, it always ran on 800Mhz. Years and 5 PC's later I found out to get the right speed you had to set a jumper. I never got the full performance, because nobody I talked to knew back then that there is a jumper. That ASUS stuff reminds me of this story.

This is absolutely the least of ASUS' problems. Their borderline criminal behavior regarding warranties (see Gamer's Nexus and Louis Rossman's separate videos on the topic) are more than enough for me to realize this is a company that stopped caring about it's customers a LONG time ago, and it's just sad.

Me in my cheap ASSRock motherboard: "Haha, look at these fools."

Thanks, Jay! I have an ASUS board where I recently updated the BIOS due to boot problems. That fixed the boot problems but I didn't even realize these new limit games were added. I have the new settings in place now.

Been buying EVGA and ASUS the past 20 years. First EVGA ditches Nvidia, and now ASUS going haywire with everything they do. It's sad to see how thing are these days.

If it aint broken, keep making changes until it is.

Hi Jayz,i have this result of my PC with i14700k in Cinebench r23: 400A - 32386 points(AVG Temp. = 96C/AIO 360 cooling)253W 280A - 31964 points(AVG Temp. = 84C/AIO 360 cooling)230W I Stay on 280A 🤓

OMG, that one line at like 00:15 about the sense wires, it makes so much sense now xD I have had that problem on/off for like 6 months, it comes and goes, even without moving the PC, though it was my PSU getting bad, or not handling the load spikes, as that's normally when it happens, on opening or closing games, not while just under 100% static load

What makes this worse is not everyone is tech savvy and will likely not go into the bios to make these changes and cook their cpu. Intel's settings should be automatically default so that nobody has problems.

Jay, I live about 45 minutes from their headquarters, do you need me to hold a sign that says, "FIX YOUR S**T!"

Great video, installed the latest version and tought "default should be intel preset", after the installation my system was extremly unstable. Had to install an older version to fix it. Now I installed the new version again and set everything to intel default (that button is so easy to overlook) and my system is as stable as it could be. HW: 12900k, z690 gaming f, 2x32gb 6000mhz corsair dominator (couldn't run stable with asus settings on their newest bios version)

Nice, TY :) More of this. I would love a complete Asus Bios settings video :)

A company's reputation for their customer service is the key. For years I heard that ASUS's has been going downhill so I avoided them when making my latest system. Then there's all this info about them killing CPUs and being dodgy with warranties. EK I heard their customer service was bad so I avoided them when I water-cooled my system and several months later all that stuff came out. TL;DR: Avoid companies with a bad reputation for their customer service. If they can't stand by their product and fix things when they break it then there's something rotten under the surface.

This is way too many steps! This should be automatic. That's why we made machines!

Thank you for making this video! Hearing this I wish I hadn't gone for an ASUS motherboard when I built the latest computer. Core i9 12900. I had SO many issues with the system being "overclocked by default" and all I wanted was to run EVERYTHING *stock* and within SAFE limits. Building a machine like the one I built is too much money to overclock and mess around with. Had SEVERAL e-mails go back and forth between myself an ASUS before I managed to figure out how to set up the BIOS to run what at least feels like "not overclocked". All I want is for the computer to run reliably for a very long time and not die prematurely because of pushing this or that component too hard.....

intel's actual base line profile is 125w pl1 and 188w pl2. The 253w pl1 and pl2 is the extreme profile.

Hardware unboxed showed where Intel said these boards were in spec in the past and have now changed their tune since it is causing problems for Intel.

I'm so grateful with the platform that you hold and how you hold companies accountable for their actions. Especially love when you call them out on their bullshit. Keep fighting for the working man.

Thank you for doing this fixed a few problems for me! Truly appreciate it

I use since day 1 on my 13900k back Jan-2023 @ 5.4mhz PL1 125w/PL2 253w (Undervolted offset -0.50v) and set TjMax 90c getting Cb23= 38237

nope, should be Intel limits set from when shipped , then have an option to opt out of intel stock. The ROG tax should get their customers the best recommended settings and Excellent RMA service

I don’t blame Jay for being upset. This whole thing is pissing me off too. I ran my 14900k system for months trying to figure out why it kept crashing until I was able to set the Intel limits on my MSI motherboard. This whole situation just adds one more crappy layer to deal with after building a new computer.

Thank you so much Jay, everything you showed in the video happened here, I already fixed it here with your video and now I finally have my i9 100%. :)

It was all fine while Intel wanted the big performance numbers, now it's costing them, the limits suddenly apply!

I love when Jay gets this animated, it means something is legitimately not right. Even a noob can look at a chart and set things up from it, and ASUS is far from a noob. I guess the free range dog analogy is on point.

Yeah Asus is all out of the good graces they earned over the years from me. Back in the XP days I had a core duo with a Asus board and it was rock solid. I still have my 6700k and asus pro board combo (gave it to my mom, still does everything she needs then some) and the strix gpu's I had were always stupid good with noise and temps... until the 30 series anyways. Then my last build... X570 Strix board - Died just out of warranty after I moved from a 3700x to 5900x... ok no big ... one off problem Replaced it with a newer x570s Dark hero,... then like a year ago the LED bar on my Strix 3080 12gb had all the blue led's fail, turns out its a common issue (and FYI, the card is loud and hot by default, had to undervolt it to get it not to sound like a harrier jet, it's a far cry from the quiet 2070s strix I replaced). Tried to RMA, short story was I was basically told the light bar is was considered cosmetic and not covered, they would need 8 weeks and they would send an estimate for repair... No thanks I bought a 2 pack of the LED bars off alliexpress for 20 bucks (canadian).... and spent an evening tearing the card apart and replacing the bar (they either did an impressive knockoff job, but my guess is that it's leftover direct factory sale judging from the stamping on the back). Now if they made one change, had they put the cable connection slot for the rgb cable on facing out... I could have replaced it by just taking off the shroud, but no they mounted it so you have to unmount the entire cooler.... because F consumers that's why. The good news is after re pasting it with some NT-H1 left over from a low profile Noctua cooler I use in another pc the temps dropped a few degrees and it runs quieter. Haven't looked at Asus products since.

I dislike the MSI software, but I have zero complaints about my Z690 motherboard. All the settings made sense, there wasn't any coded or hidden functions. I'm not sure what Asus thinks they're doing.

Haven't been buying Asus for almost 8 years now. Every year they do something that justifies my decision. They used to be good, but the people in charge are really ruining the company.

Running a 13900kf here, I bumped my amps to 400, my under load temps dropped. Asus Z790 Hero, my last Asus product. Thanks Jay!!!

Blink and you’ll miss it: To find these settings on a different Asus motherboard (mine is a ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WIFI D4) running the same bios version, they are under “Ai Tweaker > Internal CPU Power Management.”

1. There's a separate "Intel Baseline Profile" option at the top. 2. This BIOS was released before the Intel's statement with the blue table.

It's really sad because they have a great variety of products and I've used several that I've loved. But this.... Gotta be upper management with their heads up their butts always ruining good companies

You're being too kind to ASUS. The BIOS should be running all parts within spec by _default._ The fact that any user input is required to force ASUS to run the Intel CPUs within spec is absurd. But Intel isn't blameless in this either. They were happy to look the other way because the crazy power limits were the only way they could reasonably compete with AMD's recent offerings. Gotta crack 40k on CB R23 with those flagship i9s during review season! Well, at least they _were_ happy until the chip failures and RMAs started rolling in.

Had a TUF K3 keyboard from Asus and just about 6 months, some of my keys RGB went haywire. tried contacted their local support and guess what, they advised me they have no idea about mechanical keyboard and its warranty and I was advised to directly make my claim from the store where I bought it where in fact, it was actually the store who advised me that Asus do the warranty. 2 years after, my ROG Pugio mouse started to show problem with the middle mouse click button. Take note that Asus mentioned about this mouse can withstand xx million times of clicks based on their stress test. But lo and behold what happened! That middle mouse click didn't even experience 100k times clicks the rest of 2 years.

I've always liked the freedom of board manufacturers letting things exceed specs. As long as there are reasonable defaults and documentation/warnings. I don't want to see things get locked down.

Some people would say: "More numbers mean better".

Republic of Goons

Actually this video saved my machine. I've had my machine for a year (13900KF), and for the past few months, I keep getting random crashes in games, and even random Blue-screens. (Hell divers II would crash within 5 minutes). Changing the settings on my MB made my system stable again. If the problems come back, at least I know my CPU *IS* damaged and what to replace. Thank you ever so much!

A few months ago I built a new computer with a 14900K and an Asus motherboard. I didn't really experience stability issues at default settings, but I noticed it was thermal throttling consistently during stress tests, even with an AIO. Instead of manually tweaking everything, I just turned on the "limit to 90c" setting and I've left it there since. I have no idea if I should be worried about frying the CPU or not, and I just can't be bothered to delve into this in detail, so hopefully that's enough to keep it happy for some years.

Somehow Asus CONTINUES to make it on the JayzTwoCents channel even after being fired

Did I miss something? I thought Asus was fired...

Love the Otamatone interlude xD Who of you played that?

I absolutely agree with you; no end user should have to manually tweak the BIOS in order to get the performance that they paid for. However, I think every end user should educate themselves on how to tweak the BIOS themselves. I am, by no means, excusing motherboard manufacturers for not following the Intel spec, but at the same time, I think part of the problem is so many people use a computer every single day and have no concept as to how the machine actually works.

"Updating your bios will invalidated your warranty" - Asus to all x3d users

Asus got Jay so mad he's turned into Frieza 🤣🤣

Fun (or not so fun) fact: It was way easier to buy computers and parts in the 80s than it is today! remember when back than ASUS was the way to go!

Simple answer is to do what i did. Get a 7800X3D on an Asrock Steel legend board. In game i pull around 25-40w only. No issues. Unlike Asus, Asrock is also not melting AMD chips. EDIT: For me all i did was enable PBO and start at the lowest undervolted. I then worked my way up until it was stable. Literally 1 option only. Super easy and it worked perfectly.

Oh asus.

Im curently sitting in a room with 5 pc's with ASUS motherboards and an ROG Ally. I've used ASUS since I started building PC's. At this point I don't plan on ever looking at them again. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for that info!

Thanks for keeping highlighting this Jay. As you say, the board defaults should be sane so that users don’t have to mess about. I’m so confused on this now (and I work as a software engineer). @asus if you are listening, I’ve bought multiple high end motherboards (z690/z790) from you the last few years, you need to get your management, engineers and comms teams sorted out, and get this mess fixed properly, and quickly. It’s just not acceptable.

Republic of Goombas Reason for this naming? Goombas are the most generic mobs in Super Mario, hence why tagging RoG as Generic might ruin their brand image _even further_ Sincerely, a former RoG Simp

7:33 "SVID behaviour = Intel's'fail safe: Ok". No, it is not. Buildzoid told in a recent video that this is a stupid setting, which increases voltage to an absurd level therefore people should avoid to set it.

Yep, this goes back a ways. It took a LOT of tinkering to get 'correct' settings for my 9900KF in an Asus Prime Z390-A, went through loads of hoops to get it stable and performing acceptably with voltages and current draw that didn't turn it into a mini griddle top. For a while I had it at settings with some of Asus's default voltages which I'm pretty sure would have degraded the IMC had they been left for any length of time - in fact I got a warning that something was up when time to POST started taking longer, took the case cover off and saw the CPU and DRAM debug LED's ping-ponging half-a-dozen times before it went 'beep'.

So the default for years was that the CPU would basically have no power limits out of the box but XMP on the ram was still disabled... because XMP was technically an overclock and might void the warranty of the CPU?

Hi Jay thanks to you I built my first pc a few years ago and followed your video on how to build start to finish thank you so much man

ASUS needs to be renamed to AssUS

Great Thumbnail! Had a good laugh.

Super usefull !!!!! Thank you so much!

I have ASUS in my system but given the warranty issues and their sketchy warranty/RMA that Steve posted about im considering swapping it out.

Although I entirely agree that the situation is a mess, and I have commented on various occasions on this topic on Jay's earlier videos, on this particular item I think there has been some confusion. The Intel statement that Jay is referring to is Intel's second one, a preliminary statement having been made in early April I believe. This second detailed statement was released on the 7th or 8th of May, long after Asus introduced the Intel Baseline Profile on z790 boards (Asus released the revised bios with the Intel Baseline Profile around the 19th April). Asus is therefore yet to react to this new statement. The rumours are that Intel has given motherboard manufacturers until the end of May to address this issue. I would expect new bios from Asus and others over the next two weeks.

I also had a lot of issue with DDR5, especially my CL28 5600 which wasnt listed on most boards for XMP profile.

Intel always knew the CPUs were being pushed way too hard, but they were fine with it while they were competitive, and there weren't problems. Anyone with any bit of sense and knowledge knew this was the case. It's easier to push off the blame now. If it wasn't about that, they would have nipped this in the bud a long time ago.

Great video! You guys should make a video showing the difference between Intel & AMD Bios settings, maybe it's time to switch back to AMD.

Aww yiss. I can listen to you and Steve tearing ASUS a new one all day long. This stuff is my Tech ASMR, gets the neurons firing!

Thank you for this video! I upgraded to 14600KF from a 11600KF yesterday. I have a Noctua U12A and did some Prime95 to see what kind of temps I got.. I pretty much instantly had multiple cores thermal throttling att 100C. Did some checking and my CPU was running at 230 watts when Intels boost wattage is 180(!)... Turned off Asus multi core enhancement and now CPU is stable at 80 degrees max load at Intel specs. ALSO my motherboard is a B760-F which is advertised as not supporting overclocking.. =)

That new line was in there in the 2202 BIOS from April 19. It's also in the description for the BIOS. The update cripples the performance.

Thank God for Jay, we need people like him who are not afraid to call out of big manufacturers like Asus.

Intel deserves a lot of the blame for this too. They issued new limits after they issued their “Baseline” numbers. They have been trying their best to be at the top of the performance charts; even if it burns out consumers’ CPUs.

Jay: ASUS... Why are you the way that you are?! Asus: Because I'm FKing EVIL!!!

Thanks for the video Jay, I'm about to switch to a 14th gen cpu myself as a BIOS update for x570 rather seriously degraded my cpu and my pch now runs almost 10c hotter. AMD AGESA V2 1.2.0.B in the newest rollout from gigabyte's uefi update cause strange voltage behavior to where I opened up HWinfo right after boot and saw my cpu @ 112C. idk how it didn't shutdown or thermal throttle but yeah, fun times. Small side note. While intel is having these current issues, they do seem to have fewer uefi updates. I see this as less potential for irreversible hw damage. My boards dual bios saved me twice before but this time even after switching back to an old bios its too late as the damage has literally been done.

Ahh feeling great I just switched to 7800x3d. Works gr8 out of the box and a 3 click undervolt.

Asoooos! Y U doooo dis?

AMD Ryzen on AM5 is getting better and better 💯🤩

I have an I7-14700KF and cannot find its limits online. Is it also 400A? Intel Defaults puts it at 280, Bios optimized at 511.75, just as in this video. Where can I get the nice lists for processors other than the I9s please?

I did changed the “let bios optimize” (Asus motherboard) to Intel stock and my pc crash like crazy, and usually I never have crashing. I did change back and is again stable. Pc specs - i9 12900k, 64gb ddr4 ram, rtx 2080ti turbo, 4/6 tb m2 nvme ssd. I do mostly photo and video editing.

I wonder if Intel is going to face a class action lawsuit like AMD did over those 8 core chips that weren't really 8 core. I mean if you're paying for something and you're not getting it isn't that consumer fraud?

I will never buy Asus again, every single Asus product I have ever bought has had major issues. Bricked motherboards for seemingly no reason, faulty laptop displays and batteries, buggy keyboard software, the list goes on. It's a shame because from a performance standpoint, they've always been great, but performance doesn't matter if the reliability is nonexistent.

2022 12900k z690 asus extreme = burnt cpu after 4 months (then motherboard which had the reversed component but my model was never recalled thx asus) 2023 13900k z790 msi tomahawk ddr4 = burnt cpu after 6 months asus at least had a "enforce all limits" (that I used too late and I see still was over spec) but msi until 14 may 2024 only had their "homemade" settings nothing else, if cinebenchr23 crashes without oc know that your cpu is dead it's one of the telltales THANK YOU jayztwocents the only reviewer and youtuber who called it...too late but sooner than everyone else

There should be a one click default baseline settings according to the intel/Amd processor users has on motherboard. Rather than overkilling CPU to it's unconditional death due to motherboard manufacturers think they can make the CPU processor more powerful with there own best settings.

Instead of spamming/holding a button to get into BIOS, you can make a desktop shortcut to automatically reboot into BIOS. It is helpful if overclocking CPU/RAM and need frequent access. Here's how: Create a shortcut with the following commands "shutdown /r /fw /t 1". The "1" is in how many seconds you want the command to execute, so adjust as desired.

4:55 NO! it is from 7th gen! i7-78xx and i9-79xx CPUs have exactly the same power/ heating issue!

im 100% with you on this jay drives me nuts

I'm running a 10th gen i9 system with a prime z490p motherboard. Everything has been fine with it, but I'm avoiding asus for my next upgrade.

If I were Intel, now they have reached the point where I would forbid ASUS from manufacturing Intel compatible mainboards, and sue them for trademark damage

Where can we get the intel chart from? I have a 14700k and would like to make sure 8m running in spec

4:47 that same BIOS message has been there since Z170, I know because I saw this on my Z170 motherboard! This is just a generic message, not recently added in.

"Asus cant read 3: Tokyo Drift". Im dead 😂😂😂

Intel is a mess right now. They are pushing their chips too far instead of improving the architecture.

People are so quick to forget all the Motherboard debacle during the 7800x3d release. These Motherboards lately just stopped giving a fuck I think.

Jay you've done 3 videos showing this problem on Asus motherboards! Can we see just how screwed the others are as well?

I bought an Asus motherboard (first product from the brand) and it died within a year. Bought an MSI motherboard and has already lasted longer than the Asus. All of my MSI products from 10 years ago still work great.

Bro you deciphered them years ago. Why the surprise now? Didn't you once say "no more asus"?

Hello everyone

Hey thanks for making us aware of stuff like this you just saved someone's CPU :D Great Stuff 👍 On another note, I want to build myself another PC this year and would like to know which Hardware Manufacturers are making the best Motherboards (BIOS and Feature Wise)

@JayzTwoCents this is the way to enable the intel baseline profile: Under the MY favorites tab there is the menu with the name of the intel baseline profile, at 5:58 you can see that option