+SpawnRevenge92 Nonononono, you got it wrong. "Screw you Quesada" is what you should have said.

+SpawnRevenge92 it is Quesada who is to blame, but yeah I am just, oh my god, astounded. hell Spider-Man is the reason I got into Marvel comics, and this comes along, and I just weep. I pretty much ignore this thing completely as far as continuity. it's just, wow

+Sasuke Uchiha I got into comics via Spider Girl, a character wiped out of continuity by this stupid story.

darthkrypton123 i feel for you bro

+darthkrypton123 i feel you bro i really do because i love spider-girl aka mayday parker she is one of my all time favorite characters

Sean Maguire Fucking. This.

Sean Maguire YES!!!!!! I don't think we've had a Spidey/Ghost Rider team up in years!

the only question is how would they beat him?

Sean Maguire That is an intriguing question. Perhaps some sort of powerful seal or Ghost Rider giving a heroic sacrifice in order to save the happiness of a fellow hero?

I was thinking more Peter outwiting Mephisto in some fashion, although erasing the contract will cause Aunt May to die. But then again Peter could speak with her and spend "one more day" with her.

ChibiGeeBee **sniff** That was beautiful

Spidey View awwww... Thank you!

I applaud you.

*speechless*

+ChibiGeeBee that is beautiful

+aderose The story does not need only need it to be marry Jane. All the extra bs and stuff needs to be taken out. Which would result in one issue and then it would be done. Peter meets mephisto and he is offering to save Mary Jane. Peter in his fucked up state says yes right away.

Agreed

Hate to say it, but I'm with you. Aunt May needs to go. she's virtually pointless these days.

+Astrithor aunt may should have stayed dead a long time ago since issue 400

+Josh Miller you got a ponit there a bullet wound wow that sad.

+Josh Miller or just warp back to before the bullet and kill the sniper

+Josh Miller that's actually how uncle ben will die in the next reboot, Peter will then spend his life fight the terror of stairs, there will even be a crossover where stairs and rock n roll will joine together and spiderman will team up with crazy steve to defeat them. NO I AM NOT DRINKING!

+pipo berber Perhaps stairs, rock music, and burgers will join together and takeover the world

+bloodstone ore Or they could use one of the dozens of characters that are healers.

Karen Lin This whole story was probably Joe Quesada's take that at an ex wife of his.

Xehanort10 I think so too.

Karen Lin And since the character of Carlie Cooper is based on his daughter that must have been Quesada's way of pairing a fictional version of her with Spidey.

Xehanort10 Also a good point.

Karen Lin Thanks.

Kalain Reinard I know, right? Ever heard of "House of M"? By the end,the heroes have to return reality to the way it was; and when it's restored, they still have ALL the memories of their "perfect" lives, aware that that can never happen. THAT is torture.

ZoanBlade90 And yet Joe Quesada didn't bother to think of that. Joe, go to hell!

And that would have made that whole "Deal with the Devil" thing pack more of a punch.

ZoanBlade90 EXACTLY!

Kalain Reinard That's not even mentioning his rant in the book,basically calling anyone that enjoys escapist fiction...are losers! Screw you, Jemis!

Jenifer Joseph i would had reallyt been interested in seeing that posibility

Yeah. But you see it wasn't going to happen because Joe Quesada and the other heads of Marvel are all old farts who are mentally stuck in the 1970s and wanted everything in Spider-Man comics to be like that era. Hence why Mephisto went the extra mile to bring Harry back from the dead as well as Aunt May. Also something that was a result of this comic I wasn't aware of til a few years ago, that Linkara has never mentioned was that Black Cat's entire history was erased in the follow up comic to this so that she is now a complete stranger to Spider-Man. That's what is dumb. This whole thing by Joe Quesada was about way more than just getting rid of Spider-Man's marriage. It was about getting rid of everything every person growing up in the 90s liked. I grew up in the 90s and got into older 90s Spider-Man comics in 2001. I liked Black Cat being Spider-Man's good friend who knew his secret identity. I enjoyed the results of Harry's death. Peter moving on from it. But Joe Quesada and the other heads of Marvel hate me and anyone else who grew up on comics like that because they are selfish jerks.

shadowspider9 Wait, really? They turned Peter into basically Tony Stark?

***** Pretty much. Peter now owns his own tech company, which wile not as big as Stark's, is still worth a few mill, is single with his usual 'relationship problems', and has his own version Pepper Pott's. A female dwarf super genius who helps manage the business, and knows and help's Peter keep his secret identity. Just this last issue Parker Industries was attacked by a tech villain looking to steal Peter's new inventions and use them for himself.

shadowspider9 ... can Marvel just undo the deal with Mephisto already? This is getting ridiculous.

***** I'm waiting for their current reboot, Secret Wars, to be over. Then see what the new status quo is for everyone and decide if anything is worth picking up. During Secret Wars there will actually be a double sized one shot what if issue that shows what Spidey's life would have been like if he hadn't made the deal. With him still married and with a kid. It's the only Spidey comic I'm planing to buy until I see what the comics are like post reboot.

He was like an evil tony stark. Oh what we already HAVE one!

also, in the next couple issues he pretty much immediately goes onto a new girl, making any drama the writers may or may not have been proud of null as well! This comic sucks!

Jenifer Joseph maybe mary jane was feeling stale and they wanted an excuse to boot her out. I feel like the same has happened with superman and lois lane. Lol. she isn't even the love interest anymore is she? Then again, maybe we should support reinvention? murp

eartianwerewolf I'm fine with reinvention so long as it makes sense. This does not. A deal with Satan........really?

eartianwerewolf I can support reinvention, of course. But I read some of the pre OMD comics written by JMS, and they wrote her incredibly well. She gets some good lines, she cares, her arc with Petey feels complete, and it felt like years of work taken to developing her had been just thrown away, in a very convoluted and inane manner.

eartianwerewolf If its along the lines of that POS story and The New 52, then fuck reinvention. Hell, the two are an embarrassment to the word

This is where taking two steps back and analyzing something makes for more interesting talks then the subject itself.

But I think someone would notice if Doom suddenly got all that info. sorry would make a better argument but I'm a bit inebriatwd.

MrGMoney1944 Trust me. Doom can play it off as easily as he can cure cancer.

And they deserve it

@@TheMasterQuests of course

It would be hilarious seeing the Devil walking, like 40 souls as if they were pets. Would souls be cats, dongs, or something else? Like An owl?

The Owl God Hopefully dongs, just imagine Devil walking 40+ floating dongs

Oh my god. That's so perfect.

One of the central concepts of Christian mythology is the idea of spiritual warfare between God and the Devil. Since, as you say, both combatants (and all of their underlings) are eternal, it makes no sense to fight over material things. Thus, the only things left to fight over are the souls of humans (which are also immortal). Another central concept is that God is infinitely powerful and thus His victory is inevitable. The Devil's motivation, then, is essentially that every soul he can take is a big 'f u' to God. Obviously your point about multiple universes still stands, but this is where the trope of the deal with the devil comes from. Although it could be that while parallel souls are still souls of the same people, they are different enough to still be interesting. So rather than saying "oh, I have 40 Spiderman souls already" it's more like "Ooh! I have Spider man 1-23 and 25-40, I'm just missing the one where he's married and might have a daughter in the future!"

JoshTheOther hence why i said there more like trading cards to them, just imagine: God: Oh come on Satan, ill give you a Spiderman 780 for your Batman 420 Satan: hmm, throw in a Iron Man 89 then we'll talk. Even all mighty, eternal, beings act as school ground kids over superheroes.

Fingers Crossed

I'm hoping Linkara will review Civil War to coincide with the release of Captain America: Civil War which is two years from now.

***** That'd be pretty cool. I'm planning on starting up a Let's Play channel and I'm thinking Ultimate Alliance 2 might be one of the games I do down the line to coincide with the film.

it does

I'd like that. But has Linkara even ever said if he dislikes Civil War or not? I mean sure, its probably *the biggest* example of heroes being out of character in modern comics, but I'm not sure if he'll do it.

SnowyWolborg. i just think it would be perfect if his second 200th episode would also focus on something related to one more day. after all civil war made one more day possible.

Zettabeam62 also it would be topical seeing as civil war is getting a film.....but it seems the films actively drop the comics and only use their ideas.

SnowyWolborg Well he did say it had many problems in this review

SnowyWolborg He doesn't seem to be a fan... atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2009/01/these-guys-shouldve-done-it.html The only question I can really see is if he thinks what we were given was bad enough to warrant it being review worthy... I'm kinda wanting to guess "Yes" as it has a lot of things that Linkara doesn't seem to like in comics in general (strawmen, OOCness, Darkness Induced Audience Apathy) but you can never be too sure.

+Garrett Knisley Yes! Loved it!

Thank you, I was worried I was the only one that thought that

I’m from the far future of the... future, and I have you know, that this entire subplot is now officially alluded to in Spider-Man No Way Home, and the rest of the Marvel Cinematic Universe starting with the lacklustre, What If... (not to be confused to the amazing anthology comic book series of the same name)

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Except it was done well NWH. Say what you want about Holland!Parker, but at least he knew that he needed to grow up.

@@marygonzalez2472 Why did I say Lackluster wrong? And why did I say What If’s a lackluster? The show sucks.

Because Joe Q says so :(

Lazy writting

Hold up for Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows. Let's see if they make a creative reason to undo this.

NARATO0 Him and Axel Alonso

The universes are merging now so maybe its getting retconned now

both Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 and Captain America: Civil War were much better.^^

Shadowbrohogany Oh Hi Generic troll, Hows the weather wherever you are?

its cold and shitty hbu?

Shadowbrohogany EH... It's fine Like the song "Let it go" The cold never bothered me anyways.(For the most part.)

I lost count after 30

Oh yeah, because making deals with the devil is sooo identifiable.

SMAXZO Again, Joe Quesada HATED Spidey being married. Hated it so much, he was willing to end it in the stupidest manner possible. He didn't care if the story was haphazard, insane, how bad it was done, as long as it ended Spidey's marriage. It's essentially comics' version of the scorched earth strategy.

Loy Turns Except given how time manipulation works in the Marvel Universe it was NEVER scorched earth. The Time Variance Authority, Delubric Consortium, Kang-Immortus, the Time Twisters, the Time Keepers, and several groups or individuals who oversee the timelines should have all shown up to see what was going on and more importantly either take advantage of or *fix* it.

The idea that young readers can't relate to Peter if he's married is utter BS. I started reading Spider-Man comics when I was a kid, during the time he and MJ were already married, and still he became my favorite superhero, along with Batman. Even when I could read comics that took place before that era, Peter was already dating MJ more often than not (I didn't learn about Gwen until I was 19, but that's another issue), so as far I was concerned, Spider-Man WAS a superhero MEANT to be married. And that didn't make him less identifiable for me in the slightest! On the contrary, it made him even more engaging! Plus, MJ is a lovely character, and their romance has some of the most heartwarming moments I remember in a comic book. So yeah, Joe Quesada. Way to make BS excuses.

XanderVJ Joe Quesada says marriages suck, stay with your grandma forever, status quo is LIFE, and Spiderman should date my expy or captain ersatz of my daughter!

i never read the comic book...but i did play it's video game version...and all i can say is that it explains it a lot more then the comic. btw i chose Anti-Registration in the game.

***** Pretty much

CaptainUniverse100 Captain America died? huh...i guess that explains what Spider-Man was talking about.

Or use her loss of their baby. She has ideal dreams that seem tangible, and Nightmare morphs them into ironic hells that use her past to tear the family from her. The strain of it along with no one ale to help her ( not sure if she still knows of Dr. Strange’s magic) drives her to drink again. Mean, yes but Mephisto plays with Pete so why not go for broke.

The problem with that idea is the fact that though he wouldn't age physically, he would still age mentally and fact the problem of the characters around him aging. You can't keep a 17 year old mentality for long even with a body that can't age, simply due to the fact that it isn't a result of your body aging but you gaining experience over time. Compounded is the fact that even though he's physically 17, everyone knows his real age and he would still go threw the motions of life like university and a job afterwards. It wouldn't be until his mid-20s anyone would even notice something's odd since most people in the 17-25 range aren't the easiest to distinguish.

dave19941000 Good points...then I guess one of the main problems he'd have in this case would be trying to get someone to take him seriously as a 30 year old when he looks 17.

What about ultimate Spidermam? Does that not count because he's not operating in the main marvel universe ?

So, far Perlmutter has yet to fire him since he's still at Marvel but no longer EiC (Axel Alonso is). Thankfully Quesada has 0 say regarding the movies so there's a small comfort

That's the kinda stuff siding with Iron Man in the Civil War was supposed to iron out.

Angel isn't some obscure show.

Heh, I thought the same thing!

Wildstorm's The Authority not only has one of the most noteworthy gay couples, but they are also married, kick ass and have an adopted daughter. Seems to ahead of the curve then what marvel does now.

MrTaurenshaman I loved Appolo and Midnighter! And then the New 52 came along and completely ruined them. In fact, they eliminated a lot of the classic relationships: Clark and Lois (and no, I do not like his relationship with Wonder Woman!), Barry and Iris, Green Arrow and Black Canary, Nightwing and Starfire/Batgirl, Batman and Catwoman (I'm not a big fan of that, but still...) and recently they had Batwoman and Maggie Sawyer break up as well. Really, the only relationship that survived the reboot was Aquaman and Mera (but they're not married, for some reason!). They're not against gay relationships, they are against relationships, period! And that is really, really sad. A married couple that I love in comics is Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. Those two show that not only that relationships between superheroes can work, but also that interracial relationships can work as well. And they have the cuttest baby ever!

My favorite part of the video, and thing about Lewis in general- he can merely emphasize a point to make it stick permanently. I wonder if any bullpen staff watches AT4W.

@@idongesitusen5764 Can I just say I love the fact that you found my comment from 11 years ago?

(That was supposed to be Aunt May LIVES, but I'm on mobile and it won't let me edit comments)

or it was just a dream like in Stan Lee's newspaper comic strip hahahahaha He obviously loves the Peter/MJ marriage

Would it mean that the real (intentional or not) villain of Spiderman or any comic book ever created would be the writer?

It depends on the writer and common sense. You don't appoint someone to write a story about The Flash when he doesn't know or doesn't even CARE to know the first thing about him, and you do not appoint a writer whose sole motive is to wipe out large sections of a character's history because he is blinded by nostalgia.

***** And somehow, they get appointed by Marvel and DC as editors or other members who work on the lore while other potential writers and editors (though make fanfiction) are shot out of the shaft.

Yeah he probably acted more grown up than this peter parker lol

Harry Bell yeah. When that Peter had to deal with the clone saga, there is literally just one panel of him whining about it, and it's 100% justified. In literally less than 12 hours, he encountered a deranged clone of himself, found out MJ was missing, met a clone of Gwen, found out his long dead father is actually alive (though is later revealed to be a clone aged up), was attacked by SHIELD for doing literally nothing wrong, and came across a female clone of himself. All of this was before the one panel of him yelling about how he's shocked he hasn't gone comatose after all of this. And it literally gets worse from there

Yeah, as linkara already said the 616 peter is always depressed and pessimistic and even though i am often depressed peter always bitches about something unfortunantly i dont live in any of the american states and here in austria there are no comic shops near by...do you know any other way where i can read comics......?

TheSuperiorSpiderman If you've got internet, you can pay for digital comics online on either Marvel or DC's website, and probably for a bunch of other smaller companies like Dark Horse Comics.

I think my favorite incarnation would be the spectacular spiderman cartoon.

Comics by Stan Lee, while goofy and very silver age-y, are a lot of lighhearted fun.

TheWolverine1987 Really? Thanks!

BrickBoy1894 No problem. I'm happy to recommend stuff to fellow geek ;)

TheWolverine1987 Well, Mark Millar (the author of Superman: Red Son), has written some Comics that are a tie-in to the Superman Animated Series. I've been thinking about purchasing some copies on iTunes.

BrickBoy1894 Can't really say anything about those, since I haven't read them (not big Superman guy), but Mark Millar is pretty good writer.

Marvel ( or Joe Quesada for that matter) made a sequel... and it was pointless and more implausible than broken video game in 2042.

Tony Davis yeah, he did, but still I need that deal undone. or hell, do the tragedy he told us

It actually did "crush" my childhood. Haven't bothered to pick a Spider-Man issue since Brand New Day, I tried to give Quesada a chance after this, but Brand New Day was just the biggest pile of garbage ever. So many plotholes all over the place.

marvelfannumber1 Well now Marvel is starting up a reboot of the Amazing Spiderman comic. I searched for SpiderHam like Linkara said and I laughed a bit. I guess Spider Pig from the Simpsons Movie was late on the joke.

***** In many versions, Bruce DID cause their deaths, be it by being too scared to stay (a few times), or by pestering them to go (semi-often).

Like 70% of Spider-Man's problems writing wise, it all comes down to trying to keep Peter 17, whether it be physically or mentally. With the amount of time that has gone by, Peter probably would have, or at least made more of an effort, to move past the deaths of his loved ones, but since the writers don't want Peter to reach that point because it would "ruin the character" and seemingly age him (in their minds) Peter may never reach that point. Hell, Batman is probably lucky that he was an adult in his original comics and in most spin offs. Had he not been, there is a chance he'd be in the same situation...

REALLY? I would like to read that comic! Do you know which issue it is?

BrickBoy1894 Batman & Robin #1 by Peter J Tomasi and Patrick Gleason

galactic85 Thanks! Are there any other GOOD comics that you'd recommend?

No, it's actually a What if kind of thing. It will show what his life would be like if they had stayed married.

Karen Lin crap...

Spaceboomer Darkchaser If you say so...

Karen Lin I just wanted One More Day to be erased from existence...

Spaceboomer Darkchaser Oh, OK. I misunderstood you. Sorry. I'm with you. To me, that is the worst comic book storyline of all time and a big middle finger to Spiderman fans.

Yeah, I think that's what really bothers Linkara, not that Peter's marriage was undone, but that nearly every chance the writers had to make this a good story was completely botched. And Linkara isn't the only fan who walked away after 'One More Day', as shortly after this comic finished, sales for Spider-Man dropped to their lowest since his creation in the 60s, and don't look to be improving any time soon. Way to go, Joe Quesada.

kradeiz Well atleast there's the ultimate series, fans seem to have warmed up to Miles Morales well that's what I hear anyway. To be honest I don't actually read that many comic books, I just like Linkara's style.

***** Same here. I've tried to get into the Ultimate universe, but all I've read is too dark and brutal. Miles Morales is one of the few things I like about it, but it's still offset by all the other characters acting like jerks.

***** Miles Morales is a great character! I would dare say that he's actually more interesting than Peter.

The Richards along with Aquaman and Mera plus Animal Man and his wife.

kory stephens I forgot about Aquaman and Animal Man but it kind of proves my point. IIRC Aquaman is "separated" from Mera and Animal Man's wife (and kid) were killed off and then brought back after the book went down the rabbit hole via the Twilight Zone which for all practical purposes it remained in even after the New-52 reboot. So the only other examples you can find of married characters is one who might as well not be married and the other whose entire book can best be described as one drug induced trip after the next.

Then there's Aunt May and J Jonah Jameson Sr. but that doesn't count since neither one's supposed to be alive

So I guess the pitch on Superhero comics is " Heroes don't get married, if they do, their family and marriage will be killed and destroyed by out of character villians, contrived storytelling, and disregard of continuity. Don't like it, well buy our crap anyway."

***** reminds me of Justice League Cry for Justice near the end.

This is where that old comic book rule of 'only magic can heal magic, not moral wounds' bullshit just plays itself out to how fucking stupid a concept that is. So if a character is burned by a supervillaina fire magic can heal them, but if a flame throwing does the same magic can't do shit? Yeah I call utter bullshit on this. This is where I feel so removed from these stories, instead of being drawn into them. Super heroes can do amazing things like save the world, turn back time, stop god like beings from absorbing the universe.. but you have a character dying from a very realistic condition like cancer or a bullet wound, and suddenly all these powers can't do shit for them? This is like the difference between telling a child about santa clause and his magic siege and reindeer and how he gives presents all over the world, and the reality of how its the parents who do it, and not all children around the world get presents because they have no parents or they do but they are broke and can't afford nice things for kids. This is where I hate modern comic writers, they write stories that are so far into the real world, there is nothing to remove us from the shit we want to escape into.

Plus, if Spidey was willing to ask the help of Doctor Doom and DOC OCK, why didn't he ask the Jackal for help? Just ask him to clone Aunt May (since he can create clones that even share the same memories).

Iron man lost his heart and he is IRON MAN why can't he do anything