Arrogantly stupid. So annoying.

Anytime I hear someone saying the Kalam Cosmological Argument is evidence...philosophical arguments are not evidence of anything.

@@exodiathecoolone The problem I have with Kalam (and its application in secular science) Is the statement "Something can not come from nothing". The honest statement is "AS FAR AS WE HAVE DETERMINED.....". The statement is NOT a fact and is as dishonest as any God claim IMHO.

don't say that... they have just, less knowledge

Yup. You instantly know they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. And this guy debates ! How embarrassing

im always surprised by what comments will break me and make me actually laugh out loud.. but when I read ~Special Pleader I lost it

This one made me laugh good. When he said he wasnt special pleading while he was really specially pleading something had me dying. But its really sad that these apologists utilize so many presups, fallacies, and dishonest debate tactics to move on to the next subject.

holy shit didn't catch that. hella irony

@@bprocks07 they probably didn't either, with me, alarm bells start ringing: do they actually care about people being miraculously healed, or do they only care about that when they use it in an argument for their apologetics?

It’s hilarious that you think walking from a wheel chair rather than changing a God hating heart is miraculous..what’s even more comical is you think the judge should give evidence to the criminal.. You need to read the Bible in context instead of demanding The judge to bow to you.. Miracles were to establish his word.. Not to prove something to you, that you already know, but suppress because you hate the God you know..

@@angieh4534 nobody's demanding the judge to bow to anybody, they're demanding the judge merely to show up.

@@angieh4534 atheists aren't non-believers because they hate god. We don't believe because we don't have a good reason to. You need to read the Bible in context and see that your god isn't worth worship if he even is real.

Go for it!

I don't know if he did it on purpose but that's a pretty well known tactic con artists and cult leaders use, he's basically reassuring you that whatever you've heard that might have just created a tiny bit of doubt in your mind isn't really important and you should forget about it. He majorly manipulated almost every Christian in the room turning the whole debate completely pointless

Even worse, imo, his story and the repeated turns towards Matt, he did the exact thing that Matt said was the most insulting - implying that when Matt did his "searching" for God at that "fork in the road", he just didn't do it right or good enough or whatever, and then went a step further.... If you listen close, he slipped in after his own part about fans and pencils about "scientific proof" (with another half turn in Matt's direction), as if he completely ignored the part of the story where Matt specifically said that all he was looking for was that same "still small voice" (not in those words exactly, but he definitely implied something more like that than pencils moving or fans turning on or anything else that would qualify as "supernatural"). So, if anything, this preacher is saying that because he asked for something God wasn't willing to do, he got the thing that Matt had asked for, and Matt didn't because....??? Abhorrent. That's the only word for it.

The worst part about all this is the brainwashing of children. Assigning a religion to them at birth and teaching them that they may go to hell if they misbehave or don't believe properly.

Totally inappropriate rant from the preacher at the end; and to use the debate as his springboard. Wow…total disrespect!!!

I think you meant to write "was once."

YY4Me133 I did, ty

Thought the same thing. You beat me to the punch.

Christians love dodging questions and shifting the goal post

You reach...to answer your own understanding of what is real...Sorry if no one has the answers that couldn't make you annoyed. There are questions that aren't currently answered, and we as humans need to understand that, not reach for answers that are fiction based in an ancient book.

Omg, I think I love you

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

stahhp

HAH

NICE!

I know what you mean. I'm listening to it right now and scrolling the comments to retain my sanity.

I loved how he claimed "if it ain't broke don't fix it", I'm like if anything has been "broke" it is kalam, what a crap argument, kalam doesn't even get you to a god

Right? Total nonsense. If this thing I can’t prove exists, then this other thing I can’t prove exists. I have no evidence on how they’re tied together or how one proves the other. “If free will exists, no God exists” is an equally plausible statement.

Its ridiculous right

nothing wrong with that, wagering your eternal soul may be an important thing

@@ceceroxy2227 Yea if you presuppose this shit is real. You still have to account for all the other faiths who once stood and will stand in the future.

@@frisco9568 true, but see which one you think has the most evidence

@@ceceroxy2227 None of them have any good evidence. They’re all similar when it comes to “evidence”. People will point to anecdotal evidence or hearsay and think that’s empirical evidence.

I gave you the thumbs-up not for your time-stamps (which I was going to do myself!) but for your translation into plain English of Braxton's phrase, "recalibrated plausibility..." :D

@Ag21 Keep your scape-goat ritual-cum-human sacrifice! I'll have none of it! Such rituals are abominations which can ONLY EVER perpetuate evil, by punishing the innocent so the guilty can go free! Only the extremely immoral or the extremely gullible could ever believe in such nonsense! And your fairy-tale 'heaven' and 'hell' are just the 'carrot' and the 'stick' in the oldest form of mind-control known to our poor, benighted species: RELIGION!

Please, don't look for evidence, because you won't find it; listen to the voice in your head that says the good things you want to hear, because THAT'S how you're going to KNOW god exists!

@@joshua.merrill I listened to the voice in my head,and due to the nature of my brain which your "God" gave me,it tells me that I need to have a factual evidence before believing in something.

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

@@kuwandak Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse," General revelation reveals the existence of God and makes known His attributes. No matter where a person is in the world, God is speaking to them. It is the very nature of God to be revealing Himself to mankind. The fact of God’s existence is not hidden from the human race. No matter where a person is on planet earth. God has created a world, which is perfectly equipped to punish or reward the living entities according to their activities. We should look at what is visible around us in nature, what God has made, and arrive at some obvious conclusions about what is not visible. Adding one and one together, we should understand from nature that God has eternal power and a divine nature. If a person denies the existence of God, then there is no reference point for correctly understanding themselves or the world around them. If human beings do not "work out" the basic nature of God from what is seen in creation, and seek Him from there, they are simply "without excuse." They are willfully ignoring the obvious. God insists that He has made it plain to human reasoning and that to decide otherwise is to suppress the truth we know by nature. It is inexcusable to deny our Creator God for His invisible attributes, eternal power and divine nature leaves man defenseless. God also reveals to mankind in the way to know Him. This saving revelation is found exclusively in the written word, which alone tells us about the living Word, Lord Jesus Christ. What we know of the person of Christ and the plan of salvation is found in the written word of God. The ultimate goal of this process is union with God characterized by pure love of God and other people as well as personal holiness or sanctification. Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Just as our physical eyesight is the sense that gives us evidence of the material world, faith is the “sense” that gives us evidence of the invisible, spiritual world. Through faith, guided by the word of God, the things unseen are brought to the proof; what that word teaches, though future, or though belonging to a world beyond human sight, is received with full conviction. The eye of faith sees beyond our present reality and places its feet firmly on divine revelation given by almighty God, through the Word-made-flesh. It believes God's Word of truth in the pages of Scripture, which was written for our learning, instruction, encouragement, and hope. Only an eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing being could prove the existence of the God described in the Bible. Keeping the word is the work of sowing a seed, allowing it to take root. Faith only makes sense to the one who hears the word. We must place our full trust in Jesus Christ as our personal Savior and repent. As Christians we understand that Jesus Christ is the founder and perfecter of our faith, the undeniable evidence of God’s faithfulness to His word. If God does exist, then rejecting His existence and desires for how we live is the height of foolishness. Yet it is also foolish to claim to believe in God, but to live as if God is absent. The wicked man believes that God “will never see” his evil deeds. How sad that so many reject the one Who loves us so much that He sent His only begotten Son to die on a cross to pay the price for our sin. May the hope we have in Christ and the faith we have in God be built on the truth, of His Word and grounded on a sure conviction. Psalms 1:1-6 "Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful; But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night. He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper. The ungodly are not so, But are like the chaff which the wind drives away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the ungodly shall perish."

excuse me wtf

He was pretty angry too which was bizarre.

And then went on with his own definition, basically telling Matt he's lying about his. The sheer arrogance!

The guy was just stupid. He thinks labels are more important than the actual position 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. Morons come in many different shapes and sizes

@@TheNewPatsyBailey Seems like a follower of Jordan Peterson.

Yep. Completely shooting the very idea of a fair debate in the foot by openly promoting one side's arguments as being absolutely true regardless of anything the other side had said in the debate. When the debate was over. And no one could challenge him anymore.

He really did... Embarrassing, and proving Matt's point lol

@@WeirdWonderful well in a way pershaps but in reality why not let a man follows what he knows and why should it upset anybody otherwise one is as guilty as the supposively guilty one .

@@Crashawsome being French speaking I would say yes ,however if it lacks reasoning to your intellect please point out where and I will elaborate.

for anyone wondering it's 2:05:31

Which should lead to Braxton, if he was honest to becoming an atheist and admitted his cognitive dissonance, which is all throught his presentation.

@@mattmaloney2445 lmfao

It's a Shame. God is the Existence of Love. Everyone Obviously Believes Love Exists. Atheists Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it. It's Unfortunate

@@damianedwards8827 it's not a shame it is a CLAIM...first prove god is anything

@@Crashawsome Naw. God is Love. And You obviously don't see Love as Nothing. Love is the most important thing in your life...And it's Invisible. Your Ego will try to ignore it But Emotion is the very reason you JUST REPLIED Without it... you'd literally be a Robot 🤖. You can't Touch it, Taste it, or Smell it..But you know it's real. LOVE... IS THE INVISIBLE FORCE THAT IS THE SOURCE AND MOTIVATION FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO Thats... kind of a Big Deal. Haha GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION I repeat... GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION Love is inescapable. That's the reason Atheists say a higher power is useless and pointless...but Atheists CONSTANTLY talk about it. That's AWESOME.

Last time stamp.... Preaching, nullification of the point of debates, and then prayer. Yeah, i was a bit beyond words as well with that.

Thank you for posting this

@@adamheywood113 Thanks for posting. I wanted to help anyone who might want to watch it. Be it Matt for reference in a possible follow up video or someone else. Be that now or x time in the future. It's a shame I didn't get to the video faster though. I checked my phone with another account of mine and I'm shown as the 11th ranked comment.

@@amadcarrot Thanks for posting. It's not the preaching and prayer in and of itself that I have a problem with. It was more the host undermined his role as a host, which undermined the entire point of the debate/discussion. I wouldn't find it acceptable if any host said their personal beliefs after an extensive debate/discussion. What he SHOULD have done for his role as a host at the end: -Thanked them both for coming -Tell the audience that he hopes this has given them some things to think about -Maybe asked the audience for a round of applause for the two speakers coming here today. The reason I personally don't think you should state personal beliefs at the end of a discussion, it being regardless of your beliefs as a host, is because it creates what I'm going to call 'Vacuum of thought'. The discussion allows for a more open environment for people to think about the ideas of the debate more so they might begin to develop the start of critical thinking. It takes that entire environment, and narrows it down by someone telling people how they OUGHT to act in regards to all this information. It seems like it is more likely to shrink a person's ability to think than expand their ability to think. In a sentence, a 'You can think, but I won't let you think for yourself for too long' kind of social structure.

Thanks for posting, I would've fired that host on the spot for that stunt

Essentially "Please don't be swayed by the blasphemy you've heard from Matt tonight, cuz I have no faith you won't be..."

I would never let him moderate a debate again for that little stunt.

It completely defeats the purpose of having a debate to begin with if he's going to jump in at the end and preach to the audience. It's clear that he knew Matt made some hard-hitting points and so to prevent any seeds of doubt or questioning, he slides in when the debate is over to butter the audience up with a sermon. It's pathetic and dishonest.

That showed a lack of class.

Dude...you can't blame him ( Braxton) dude...in fact he is not Wrong and right at the same time... Cause we all come from a single cell ( our humble single celled ancestor,very humble indeed)and we are just chemical molecules with no soul ( because no God, and big bang didn't bang to give souls).. What he says must be an outcome of chemical reactions in his brain just like how chemicals work in yours and mine ... The chemicals in His Brain can't be blamed cause you or I have no right to say or determine how reactions of molecules of our body and brain should occur...only big bang should or our humble ancestor ( Mr. Humble bacteria ) should say cause only they know how they determined the chemicals to work... I will let you know soon cause my scientist friend is working on talking to singularity (AKA nothing ) and our humble ancestor, I hope the latter responds.....well simply put you can't blame the chemicals in the lab( braxton's brain) that causes a "KABOOM"( proving Christianity, something you disagree ) in the lab ....you also can't blame the scientist (God)because you don't believe in the scientist in first place... So the KABOOM happened by itself........well big bang made him ,you and me and you have no right to call him wrong because it is the chemicals of his brain like it is in your brain

That guy should not be allowed to moderate again.

He was trying plug a hole in a leaky boat.

It is my, or he mixed in the pascal's wager in his preaching?

Even worse, he had this planned out in advance, knowing he'd sandbag Matt with no opportunity for rebuttal before even knowing how the debate would go. And yet....probably because he did know how the debate would go...

@@Julian0101 Yeah he did a little bit.

😁

"Wow, look at that sunset!"

Or my sister is dead in a fire -- the bible survive....... it a miracle! Your sister is dead by the way. The real positive aspect of it would have been that she has survive at least. Not that a book have survive in a fire. Believers are more and more weird. They don't know what to say anymore. Go Matt your the best.....

@Ryan Lee I don't.. so that's not true. One requires faith, one can just by chance have bad reasoning skills

@Ryan Lee I'm not saying anything about absolute truth, just greater certainty than zero

Clearly Braxton's bar on miracles is fairly low.

it is a part of god’s plan that the poor guy can’t walk, because god doesn’t want people to be happy 🙏🤗🙏

@@angelman906 when was it gods plan to make people unhappy?

@@thatoneguy4420 I mean if it didn’t want people to be unhappy, then people would be happy, yeah?

@@angelman906 people are happy like I am :)

@Ag21 How do you know all of this happened? And why was a magic blood ritual the only way to go about it?

@@daghul4785 Never question the human sacrifice and zombie cultists. They’ll just throw more scripture at you.

They have to trying to SAVE all of our unbelieving souls, they would feel extreme guilt

I disagree, it’s his church and his prerogative. He probably also paid Matt. That’s not disrespectful to Matt personally. Preachers preach.

He was rude. I have seen countless debates & the damn moderator or host never closes with preaching and prayer. This was a debate not no fucking church. Get out of here with the BS.

@@darkstar4494 his role is moderator not preacher during this debate, it is unfair, he is supposed to be neutral as the the moderator regardless of what his opinion was

Came here to say exactly this…. Quite pathetic.

He’s Kellyanne’s husband.

I find it odd that apologists are always coming up with these kinds of terms, like this one, or Ken Ham's observational and historical science, or pretty much anything Kent Hovind says

@@dematar Waterrr lol

You know what I call recalibrate plausibility? E V I D E N C E because that's all he offered to change the narrative in his hypothetical.

@@denverarnold6210 he didnt offer any evidence, physical or scientific

Believe in the Humanist religion you mean, and the gospel of Universal Human Rights?

@@a.brekkan4965 universal human rights? Like weman being owned by there fathers and... slaves. Yeah okay there

@@Jeremy9697 Oh, but in Ancient Rome, women owned men as well.

@@a.brekkan4965 umm OK? The point being? Cool subject change there

@@Jeremy9697 Slavery can be and has been gender neutral!

Ha Matt makes no points lol just false information

@@CravenM1980 that doesn’t even make sense. You make an assertion(baseless one) and the above guy summed the end up perfectly. So explain how. By allllll means

I couldn’t help wondering after the concluding preaching; since without god we have to wonder “what is the purpose of our life”, does god ever wonder what is the purpose of his life?

@@CravenM1980 I'm on the other side and I think they both made points, some better than others. But you think Matt made 0 points? And just gave misleading information? What false information do you think he gave?

@@CravenM1980 go troll somewhere else you idiot

@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom hey bud there is no need to spam post, but i hope you agree that having a reasonable standard of evidence is a good idea.

Otangelo Grasso Please stop putting my god down !! My god Thor is better than your god .. 2 reasons why !! It’s in my book and I had dream when I died and came back to life and he told me and showed me the way !!!

Hell yeah

I'm incredibly curious as to why he even bothered to be there, people like him already "know" everything they need to know and don't care if they've been proven wrong thousands of times. That, and just looking at him you know he's a nothing more than a punk looking for anything to rebel against.

123rockfan : It's the Jordan Peterson trope = Because matt haven't yet killed or raped or murdered someone = then he's not really an atheist.

123rockfan he is going on what he has been told by believers atheism is. Not surprising he would get it wrong.

I think people don't really understand how words work... Gnostic=knowledge; agnostic=no knowledge. Theist=belief; atheist=no belief. Just because people think atheism is anti-theism doesn't change the roots of the word. Sure, it could be argued that the meaning is changed, colloquially, but that's why you define things when they aren't clear. The fact that it was defined, and the question asker still rejected it, shows his adherence despite evidence to the contrary, aka delusion. That's like me saying a Christian doesn't have faith, because they don't live their life as if good has complete control over what happens. You have to definite what faith means to them. Basic conversation principles: establish common ground.

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

Final statement: i used to think logically, now i just believe in rubbish on zero evidence and no good reason.

imagine what would happen to the legal systems around the world if we did that all the time

@THE PEOPLE SING : "If we relied on atheists to invent the CAR, we'd be in big trouble...." Cars weren't invented thanks to faith in any deity. It only required faith in the methods that uncovered the physical principles used to build a working car, which does not rely on any god. I completely fail to see the problem with atheists inventing things. I would, however, see a problem with anyone trying to invent a working device based solely on faith in a god.

God made science!!!

He never does!!!!

Well of course, we just cut out a good chunk of bullshit, there is still plenty but it would be a good start I think

Babble and complain much? A good way to live life.

All looking at something convinces me of is that said thing exists. I can't conclude where that thing came from.

“I see evidence of god everywhere” Great. That means coronavirus is evidence of god. Literally a virus for which there is no vaccine for that’s killing people left and right is evidence god exists

Same logic applies to every cultures creation mythology, the myth matches observation, and that match is taken as evidence for the myth.

Exactly, religious people can't seem to grasp this concept. If you're trying to convert a non-believer, you can't just use sermons meant for your congregation. I'm not going to just agree that a banana is proof of God. You need to talk to ME, not your followers. I think most atheists come from a more neutral position, seeing as the majority of folks are raised religious.

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2:10:55

Sure. It's at it has never happened o'clock

The timestamp is timeless

That time stamp exist outside of space and time

A a majority of divorces in the country are Christian. “Christian broken marriages”

You could always go lower and proclaim that Jesus was a bastard refugee turned convicted felon.

@@PhrontDoor Whose father was a rapist pedophile murderer.

@@joshua.merrill would be true.. though

round and round and round......stop ...i want to get off this thing

@Gods Servant prove it. Show evidence or shut up. Without evidence your words are just a pointless waste of time.

@Gods Servant God is fake news

Correct answer is: who cares.

Phobos Anomaly agreed. Theists have no point to their nonsense nor do they have any proof. They hate you and me for their stupidity

but can't you also say "if I drink water, god doesn't exists. I drank water, therefore god doesn't exists."? I mean it's just meaningless phrases, trying to confuse people and seem to look "smart", I guess. Haha! These "debates" are starting to get boring tho. Heard all the arguments so many times already and debunks to them so many times. I really don't understand faith at all nor belief.

I'm 1 minute into Braxtons bit and I'm already rolling my eyes. Not sure I should waste my time watching the rest, maybe I'll get a good laugh though.

Takoja : it is a fallacy known as "affirming the consequent" in case you didn't know :).

@@roqsteady5290 Thanks..didn't know..there are too many fallacies these religious and FE'rs use. Can't keep track em all :(

@@roqsteady5290 I'm fairly confident this is not affirming the consequent. His formation is "If P then Q. P, therefore Q." Affirming the consequent would be Q, therefore P.

@Ag21 Citation needed

I agree. It could also be a timetravelling being who decided to play pranks on us and we wouldn't know it . Singling out god did it seems like a personal bias.

Unfortunatly they'll claim miracles or something similar. Especially something you can't debunk on the spot.

Theist: of course, but you won't accept testimonials, or the Kalam so I won't bring those up, there's plenty of evidence otherwise, obviously, more than I could bring up right now, such as miracles. My time's up now, I think I made my case.

@Edward Moran and the counter argument is THEIST: AN ALL POWERFUL JEWISH RABBI WHO EXISTED FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME CHOSE TO INVENT THE WORLD SO THAT JEWS ON ONE TINY PLANET COULD RULE NON JEWS FOREVER THROUGH USURY AND RELIGIOUS FAITH. ANY PERSON NOT BELIEVING IN THE INVISIBLE, ALL POWERFUL, ETERNAL RABBI WILL BE TORTURED IN HELLFIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY. PLUS, THE ETERNAL, ALL POWERFUL, INVISIBLE RABBI LIVES IN AN ALL MALE HEAVEN, SENT HIMSELF TO EARTH TO FIGHT THE DEVIL-- WHICH HE CREATED AND SENT TO EARTH TO RULE THE KINGDOMS OF MAN. AFTER BRIEFLY DUELING WITH THE DEVIL HE CREATED, GOD SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO HIMSELF, TO CONVINCE HIMSELF TO OFFER PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THIS ( on faith) TO POSSIBLY ESCAPE AN ETERNITY OF HELLFIRE AND TORMENT. HOWEVER, IF A HUMAN CALLS HIS BROTHER A FOOL-- HE WILL BURN IN HELL NO MATTER WHAT HE BELIEVED.. 🤷‍♀️

@Edward Moran Adding "magic" to that creation does not add anything that is persuasive to a non-believer. And I have never heard of a mechanism that a magical non-person-deity could use to create matter and life that doesn't equal "magic". Nobody has ever been able to demonstrate even the existence of the simplest of supernatural phenomena without being a superb stage magician who knows how the trick works. In short "I don't know how it happened" does not lead to the conclusion "god did it".

@Edward Moran Well, somtime in late 1942, my mother and father had sex, and ...how old are you anyway? Do you really need me to explain this to you?

Atheism is more of a 'defense', as one does not believe in any specific deity on the lack of proof, therefore atheists are more about disproving theist arguments. Its like parrying and riposting in dark souls

He's awesome. When I first started seeing some of his work, it was like he was speaking out what I was thinking internally about religion, then expanding on it and making it insanely logical and coherent haha. I've learned a lot about philosophy and atheism in general by watching a lot of stuff by him and the ACA

@@lisalisa3635 riposting, lmao epic

@@lisalisa3635 defense against being persuaded by bad ideas, bad reasoning, bad philosophy, illogical, irrational, wrong meanings. Education give you tools for greater decision making capabilities.

Watch the Atheist Experience, watch his debates with Peterson or D'souza. He can do even better.

@Ag21 you do realize your bronze age sheep herder books means nothing to me. Let's look at the first part. How did God give his only begotten son? Nonsense. The birth of christ isn't the birth of christ. It's the birth of an avatar. Son and father are one being and aware of their own existence. Their very existende is non corporeal. Humans cannot be shown to have an awareness of spiritual self or existence before our birth or after our deaths. According to your book there is no death for the son. There was no sacrifice, no death.

Yes it was a pathetic closing statement based on feeling upset and defensive that their beliefs had been made to look stupid

I felt braxton did a great job pointing out matt’s flaws

@@jw-rx8gn Too bad it wasn't a debate about Matt's flaws..

Jesus can save you!!

@@joakkley9659 Where is he?

@@FuckFascistKZfaq Well right now He is with me but you can call Him He'll be with you too. You see He is omnipresent.

Amen

@TheEsotericZebra I missed the part where he disproved there is a God maybe you can time stamp that since the debate is about the exist of a Christian God or he could just completely ignore that and just persuade people away from God with his experiences and ideas like he tried and failed to do with me. I lived with an atheist family. So I heard it before. They still did not believe back then even when they saw miracles from Jesus.

@@mikejr8604 What are these miracles? Are they like in the debate, where doctors couldn't explain it, so it was attributed to god, or is it something substantial, like a limb growing back?

@@joshua.merrill @@joshua.merrill referring to miracles is what Jesus Christ has done and no need to explain that everyone heard them before that's because the word of God is already in us and written on our foreheads. The debate don't matter the sides don't matter there's a bigger picture then these wrestling shows. Stop looking up to idols and listening and think for yourself those in limelight get paid to push a certain agenda. Its clear to see it. The same stuff collages push along with everybody else on KZfaq n tv.

@Joy Bradford everybody knows Jesus miracles. That's what I was referring to.

No but he really wants people to cut the skin off of the ends of baby penises.

Dude. I lost it when I heard him say that. 😂

Nobody knows what God wants as everybody lies.

Check out Tom Jump, you won't be disappointed.

I would have LOVED to see Scott Clifton/Theoretical Bullshit tackle this particular debate. He has a great series of videos on the Kalam cosmological argument and is incredibly well spoken in general.

@@LordHengun : It is my belief that a debater's duty is to sharpen his wits and dust up his tools before a major encounter. Thanks for the name, I'll look it up for my own pleasure.

Mr.Teacher.McC check out Dan Barker if you haven’t. Goes for the jugular at all cost.

@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom Logic, reason, skepticism and humanism.

First, you have to know how it written. Reading it like a story book or novel, it wont make sense, and is quite unbelievable. It is not a surface level reading. Its mostly metaphors. Which has had the most important parts edited out. One example of a misunderstood would be, the Bible says Jesus is Gods son. It also states “We are all Gods children. “You prayed, but most likely incorrectly. It tells you to pray. How was edited out. God has no audible language and doesn’t read your thoughts. Another mistake people make(Because of reading only at surface level) is thinking God is some magic man in the sky. Giving him human characteristics. He is not a decision maker. This applies to any religions book. Bible, Quran, etc. They are the same. Teachings with human additions and edits. They were meant to be spiritual books. Not religious books. This is why it doesnt matter what religion you are, or if you call him God, Allah, or Billybob for that matter. They all have the same core beliefs and say to do the same things. Basically, dont be a selfish prick. Lol Could it be a coincidence that they all include some form of meditation ? Even tribes in South America, Africa with little to no interference from the outside world do the same things. The rituals being the only difference. Christianity does too, if you read the edited out parts. You were correct going internal. Because hes not in the sky, hes not a being. Hes in all beings. Hes in your subconscious. What they call supernatural is actually the most natural thing on earth. Its just not completely understood….yet. So it seems supernatural. Take what religions have in common. Understand what that means beyond surface level, and live that way. Religion itself is a human invention. Which millions have killed each other over the man made parts of their scriptures. Watch this. Seems like rhe first few mins are boring. Theres a lot of explanation though. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lcCBY5aczp2RhYk.html

@@91GT347 what an arrogant comment "yOu Did It WrOnG" if god existed you shouldn't have to jump through random hoops just to get in his favor and if he did exist then hes no just god for playing games with christians or anyone for that matters proclaimed afterlife because they "did it wrong"

@@kylebooth4948 Your speaking as if its a human. With thoughts, beliefs, an actual judgement like a courtroom. Literally watching with eyeballs. Kind of the whole point is, you dont have to jump through hoops to get on his good side……if it were a him and he had a side. Its not and it dont. Its not arrogant at all. Im definitely not the first one to see it. It doesn’t make anyone any better than anyone else. In fact, not understanding completely, doesnt even matter. You apparently may have difficulty, but most any person of any religion, understands their teachings at the core say “Dont be a dick to anyone or anything.” Which is really all thats important. Self awareness, try it. You cant do it right, without all of the instructions. Was the point. Not comprehending my simple comment, it’s understandable why you still have this “magic man in the sky” thinking. Its much more complex than anything I could write.

@@91GT347 "ObViOsLy you werent a true christian!!!" There is so much wrong with this. But I liked the part where you admitted the bible isn't the word of god!

@@allan4210 I didnt say I was a Christian. What is wrong with it ?

Did you listen to his whole response?

It doesn't matter whether he has an explanation or not... The article of Faith is an article of Divine Science... Not only perfectly defined in the Bible Hebrews 11 that's the definition of Biblical.

That moment may have made me shoot coffee out of my nose😂.

@@zer-op2gq well...?... What the fuck? Did you?

I actually haven't seen it yet it feels like a chore. But I know that verse... And it's actually the definition of faith.

Yeah those types of gods are boring... I'd prefer one that was a good dancer and could provide me with free pizza forever!

But not having free will sounds bad so god must exist or else I’d have to face an uncomfortable truth. I feel like it, therefor it’s true

THE PEOPLE SING that’s silly. It’d be like saying my hand belongs to me not you, therefor my hand is part of my reality but not yours. I can observe the effects of your love based on the actions you take because of it. I can verify you exist. You and your love are part of the one reality which we both share. I don’t posses your love, but I share a reality with it.

This is when Anselm’s “now an imagine an existing Greatest Conceivable Being” syllogism gets torn to pieces

Frances Snowflake wait, what?. There is a difference between existence, as a concept, an abstraction, that which we think about. And existence as an act, as being, a feature of reality. That which is defined, is but a concept. Material reality is objective reality.

A staple argument! Gets resurrected time after time after time, just like Jesus on a toast.

Anyone that claims they became a believer because of Kalam is a lying pile of crap. Every single one of them was a believer first, and are desperately trying to find a reason for it.

Kalam is not a useful argument to bring up in any debate. The best it does is suggest that the universe is not infinite (had a cause). You can call that cause "god", if you wish, but then what does that have to do with an actual theist god (the kind that has a relationship with mankind)?

To his credit, I thought the Christian speaker presented the Kalam in a more-compelling-than-usual manner.

Yeh, I agree. What a dead donkey that one is.

It allows both parties to clearly establish their positions and provide plenty of material for cross examination. Remember this is modeled after formal debates which can be on any topic.

I believe that's known as the Ben Shapiro fallacy lol.

Darko Leskovsek : It's that the; Either or thinking. :-(

@Christopher Mayer : And how is your response serving any purpose?

WHAT IS THUH PROOF AND EFFIDENCE THAT ATHEISM IS ACCURATE AND CORRECT ATHEIST HEATHEN

@@andnowwevibe270 are you for real? If you are you clearly have no idea what the term means. Theism is making a claim which is rejected do to insufficient evidence. So yeah it's a correct position to hold and most atheists are pretty accurate when examining evidence that seemingly supports the god claim.

@@darkoleskovsek2558 SO YU HAFF NO EFFIDENCE THAT ATHEISM IS ACCURATE AND CORRECT. TYPICAL AYTHEIST AVOIDING THE QUESTION! WHY DO YU HATE THA LAWRD AND LOGIC?

not all theists claim to have absolute knowledge, they have beliefs about something just like you. Do you believe god doesn’t exist.

I hold as few beliefs as possible. I do not believe "god(s) exist" I do not believe "god(s) do not exist." I hold the neutral position of "the burden of proof has not been met, so I lack a belief in god." So no, theists do not have beliefs 'just like me'. By the way. I was not saying that ALL theists claim that, only this one specific theist.

Having serious issues.

right at the beginning when he presented his "syllogism" of "if you have an illusion of free will, that means that my particular god (out of thousands others) exists". I just couldn't take it anymore after that. There's a limit to how much stupidity I can take without negatively impacting my mental health.

Yup. Just painful. This is why syllogisms are so great at saving time.

You don't like philosophical word salads and then declarative statements that have nothing to do with each other? Lol

So many logical leaps and hand waving. Only a believer could find any of that bizarre nonsense convincing

Tbh, I found Matt's use of the I Don't Know card just a tad bit obnoxious. (EDIT: this statement has been retracted. See the comments below.)

@@piotrgraniszewski8544 So being honest is obnoxious ? lol

@@piotrgraniszewski8544 Good for you, doesn't mean he knows. Should he just make shit up that he doesn't even believe, just to give Braxton a semi-satisfying excuse of an answer?

Do you know everything? Can I ask you just about anything and you would just know? Would it be a guess or shot in the dark? Saying idk is better than “Because magic did it.”

Piotr Graniszewski But believers pretending to know things that they don’t isn’t obnoxious, wow, what’s more obnoxious, the people claiming to know things or the one saying he doesn’t know. Not for nothing but your obnoxious.

I never imagined how foolish I was to imagine Mother Nature existed...to change a sea plant into a fish...that a fish plopped on the beach and developed lungs... That the first human/ape male developed in the same era as first human/ape female... That the first cell developed cell division within it's lifetime.,

Too true!!!

in many forms of martial arts its a legitimate move, its called dodging and weaving... hey wait, this isn't a martial arts competition, this is a debate...

Satyasya Satyasya it can only go this way since there's zero evidence of the existence of such a thing

@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom do you believe in heaven?

They talked about what might potentially support the yay conclusion. Pay better attention.

@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom What's my positive claim about naturalism?

Exactly Matt's position!

yea, his "syllogism" was pathetically laughable. "You have an illusion of free will, therefore my god (out of thousands of others) exists". And he has a degree in something? That sort of faulty logic would get you a round of laughs in a high school. Btw, there is no free will. Laws of nature (physics and chemistry) explain everything, including the brain. The way neurons fire and regulate the actions of the organism is perfectly explained by natural laws, free will cannot exist.

I can prove not only that God exists, but also that you believe in him.

Can you fit Infinity into a finite space?

No, you can't. Therefore the universe did not create itself.

now to prove that you believe in God. First of all let me ask you a question, do you believe in the creation or do you believe in the universe in which all things are time space and matter? This is the scientific definition of thethe universe. That everything in the universe is time space and matter.

@FACE GALLON LOL! Me too, the argument is too powerful. There's no way around the fact that "feelings" guide me towards truth/knowledge and my actions in life. Without the right feelings guiding me I'd just rape and murder and rob people. How could i tell right from wrong without feelings communicating to me that things feel good or bad, how would i know what to avoid doing? I must allow my feelings to tell me what i should do. Yay Believing in God/Jesus gives me such good feelings therefore Jesus/God exists!

@heelercs This is the huge problem with people who are religious. Most of the time they don’t ever factually state anything. I don’t like the reputation atheists get, of being obnoxious about their atheism and saying it to everyone they meet. Which is not true atheists are usually smart and nice people and I love to debate them. The reputation with people who believe in god is that they are in average less intelligent than a atheist. Which is true (if the study I looked at was correct)

@@koreaface I am not of the opinion that religious followers are in fact less intelligent, aside from it being demeaning even if it is true, it's not helpful,useful or caring or considerate towards them as people/individuals. They're just trying to make sense of things while getting emotional. we do too. bad ideas transcends intelligence/IQ, plenty of strong minded people can succumb to bad ideas, my beliefs is its through emotional reasons, which are incredibly strong. Look at what Love get us to do, or narrow our thoughts, act irrationally. It's very very powerful.

@Ignirium yes and that’s where both parties fall. It does not matter how smart you are if no one wants to listen to you because you annoy the hell out of them. And no one wants to listen to arguments that don’t even make sense. We need to be very open mined for us to gain respect, and with respect comes listeners. You need to have a moderation of both having a good personality and intelligence.I try to convert my atheist friends to Christianity by making sure we find something we can both agree on and then I build my argument off of agreement. After time and time again that middle ground is going to get much bigger. Resulting in one party converting, or the other party is now more educated.

​@@koreaface I'm all for Compassion, people needs, individuality, caring, consideration, rights and wellbeing of people. I don't use it as a tactic, or with intention or as a means to an end; to kindly share beliefs between each other. i just believe people should be treated as people. Bad ideas have a right to be criticized, shamed, made fun of. You can't criticize good ideas, or shame them or make fun of good ideas, which lends to its credibility and authenticity. This is why Humour is truthful, a joke that is blunt or cultural is funny because it's true so we laugh! we don't laugh if we know its false, immoral. It takes bad ideas/beliefs to get a good person to do bad activity. Not athiesm, just wrong ideas, wrong beliefs. Your intention is to convert?"I try to convert my atheist friends to Christianity" I wouldn't even try to convert a Christian to anything else, that's very aggressive of you. I find that distinctly controlling of you to decide to do this for other people. it's about your benefit, not theirs. That's not what Compassion and Understanding and a good Listener is about, its not for you to soften the ground to better win them over. I'm nice and open minded, very agreeable, caring, compassionate person(i love that), and i would agree with you IF you only made logical sense. If you are swayed by emotions, you're believing for the wrong reasons. This is the thing with religious people, some decide to use Emotions as weapons, weaponized emotions. they target people, like you admitted you do to your atheist friends. An ingratiating face + pseudoscience or ambiguous questions to make you think about spirituality should not win anyone's mind. There is no middle ground, either its true or it isn't. Saying Jesus raised from the dead is a claim about Biology. Either Jesus didn't raise from the dead and Biology is true, or the laws of Biology and Physics and the natural order of the universe was suspended to just favor him. What's more plausible? Why is it so easy to find fault with the Bible lol. The bible really does have some good in there though. but it's a mixed bag where people pick and chose what suits them. or you can take it literally and stone people to death if you like.

Nah I think Michael egnor was

I've had to sit through many sermons like that.

I'm more than sure that Matt doesn't care anymore since he's sat through hundreds of sermons before. lol

To be fair, he’s getting paid to be there. It was totally condescending, and defeated the purpose of the the evening.

Even Braxton looked uncomfortable, everyone could see it was in poor taste

Haha, I know. I felt uncomfortable at the end due to these muppets.

atam mardes Mark Twain should have said “The best cure for Christianity is The Old Testament and The New Testament”. But I gratefully accept Mark Twain’s intelligent conclusion.

@@luciadelia5607 Trouble is, the Sickness that Christianity is dealing with, is the Sickness of our Human-Race at war with itself, robbing itself, raping itself, making brutality & misery upon itself... a.k.a. Sins... We are all Sinners, nobody has the solution to the chain of Evil running through this world ; anybody who becomes free from Evil and takes the stand for Innocence, gets Crucified... not Crowned...

Not too sure about it. I have witnessed religious people reading the bible for the first time and making excuses for their god making immoral decisions. Also, in ambiguous passages they interpret things to their convenience. They read the biblie with "open mind."

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Why would god allow them to write about him imperfectly? Now people will think god is immoral when supposedly isn’t. Looks like either God doesn’t care enough or god doesn’t exist.

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who created vampires?

@@robertbrown7917 Vamps are the result of the Original Sin. Don't try to put the blame on me.

@@jesusinskyrim3770 i didn't try and blame you for anything....i was just wondering who created vamps.....some novelists i believe...from europe way back in 1600 ??

When you found Ahzidal's Boots of Waterwalking did you laugh and leave them behind?

You win the Billy Madison reference award. Your prize is being awesome.

@Ay Ok, he's doing the same thing parents do when they claim Big and Jolly exists, to satisfy their crying child who got told otherwise in 3rd grade.

Why? It’s called church, dude. They were at one and this is what they do.

@@Mailman316 Sure it's his church, but its as shady as when Christians hand out food at shelters but do so with the caveat that you have to sit and listen to them proselytize to you first. A debate is supposed to be an attempt at a civil discussion on equal footing, doing what he did violated that.

@@Mailman316 well, it was a debate set up to discuss the very idea.. it's just cheap to preach the very idea when the other side has finished the debate

I do this everyday before work.

god works in plainly stupid ways, much like its followers!

I prayed to a jug of milk once that I would find my sunglasses and I found em! Lol

@@bms77 Your jug of milk must be Divine! There is no question about it, you gave enough and proper evidance!

Because you were still looking for them like a DICKHEAD.

It’s not too surprising. They accept assertions from their holy book all the time!

Can you give me a quick summary of libertarian free will. Im not familiar.

Nevermind. It came up in the video. 👍

Libertarian free will is the contention that we can make decisions that are not determined by our character or our experience or some combination of those. Quite how we could possibly do that without such decisions being random is never made clear by its proponents.

Close. It's the ability to make decisions AT ALL that could have been otherwise. Nothing to do with character/experience necessarily. It's not a psychological phenomenon. If the universe is consistent and causal, then every interaction that every particle makes could be calculated theoretically. Therefore, the illusion of self and decisions is why people think free will exists. And secondly, randomness plays no role. If some things are determinately random (like maybe virtual particles), that just introduces randomness. Basically, if you went back in time and pressed play, things might be different, but still, randomness does not equal free will. Hence, libertarian free will does NOT exist, it is just a very convincing illusion.

Matt defines it in the video. I just hadnt hit that part yet. Thanks though.

Hahaha I did the same thing!!

Just did the same thing lol

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