This content is pure gold. It’s pretty rare to find people like Matt who are willing to put in the time and effort to teach others. I owe you one, Matt. Thank you! :)
@Barbiegirl3423 жыл бұрын
I wish logic was taught in high school. Logic was one of my favorite classes in college. Thank you so much for all of this incredible information. Your analogies/explanations/examples help immensely!!!
@DannyNicholson88 Жыл бұрын
blown away by how well Matt can convey information.
@orinjayce8 жыл бұрын
You have taught me a lot over the past few years. I appreciate the effort.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe8 жыл бұрын
+orinjayce: Hear hear!
@DanielLee13 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@DarknetDude8 жыл бұрын
I owe you, Matt. Seriously. Before I discovered your show, I actually would have claimed to be a theist. That particular breed of ignorance is no longer instilled within me. And I'm grateful.
@ungertron8 жыл бұрын
+Superior Scream Hold on now, the ungodly bible & koran misidentifies God as some male ignoramus getting most everything wrong. The real God has been identified by the 100% secular natural sciences, reason & logic as the laws of nature together with forces of physics, the real big bang creator & law of nature ruler of universe. These laws & forces compose the one & only all natural candidate for the role of the genuine God.
@Azirahaelx8 жыл бұрын
+ungertron We already have a word for 'universe'. 'god' comes with baggage.
@ungertron8 жыл бұрын
Azirahael "The real big bang creator & law of nature ruler of universe." is not the universe, the laws of nature together with the forces of physics big bang created, evolved, maintain & law of nature rule the universe. That's a scientific fact. The word God is absolutely the most important word and the most important reality in all existence because without the laws of nature together with forces of physics composing God there would be no universe.
@Azirahaelx8 жыл бұрын
+ungertron Previous statement still applies. by defining the universe as 'god' you can say 'there is a god, science proves it.' but what good does it do? If i define the word 'tomato' as "the laws of nature together with the forces of physics big bang created, evolved, maintain & law of nature rule the universe." Then i can say the 'universe is a tomato.' And it's logically accurate. But does it do any good? 'Tomato' has meaning to most people. as does 'god'. I therefore contend that you are causing yourself problems by defining reality as 'god'. Because other people have different understandings of 'god'. and not gaining anything.
@ungertron8 жыл бұрын
Azirahael Reality is not God. God big bang created, evolved actualizes, maintains and rules all reality. The source of all absolute truth is God AKA laws and forces that are continually actualizing all future reality that is inspiring, informing, enlightening & correcting the soon to be obsolete partial truth held by the secular sciences. Laws of nature & forces of physics existed before the universe - the universe started 13.77 billion years ago. Laws & forces launched the big bang and that is a provable scientific fact. Read the books "A universe from Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss with after-word by Richard Dawkins and "The Grand Design" by Stephen Hawking & Leonard Mlodinow for the details. It is a free country and you do have every right to be wrong. Now if you have a new form of cosmology that is better than the standard cosmology in the two books above then give me the references.
@tomreeves83708 жыл бұрын
Premise 1: Syllogisms are logical. Premise 2: Matt is logical. Conclusion: Matt is a syllogism.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Reeves. That has the same structure as: Premise 1: Dogs are furry Premise 2: A cat is furry Conclusion: A cat is a dog
@tomreeves83708 жыл бұрын
+tobo86 Yep. I've watched many debates where theists in particular rely on syllogisms (usually to prove the existence of God). Everything may sound logical and reasonable, from the premises to the conclusion, but in the end, they still haven't demonstrated anything tangible. That's why I think philosophy defines what's logically _possible_, whereas science is necessary to prove what's actually _real_.
@Bill_Garthright8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Reeves Recently, I was arguing with a theist who insisted that he had a "logical proof" of his god. Of course, right from the start, I objected to his premise (which was complete bullshit, it really was). All he did was keep repeating it, without ever once demonstrating that it was true, while insisting that his "logical proof" was "valid." No matter what I said, I couldn't get him to demonstrate that his premise was true. I couldn't even get him to respond to my objections. He seemed to think it was enough to just keep claiming it.
@tomreeves83708 жыл бұрын
+Bill Garthright Sounds like the playground equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and repeating, "Na, na, na, na... I'm right, you're wrong... na, na, na, na." Perhaps you should find more mature theists to debate :-)
@EmperorsNewWardrobe8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Reeves: "sticking his fingers in his ears and repeating, 'Na, na, na, na... I'm right, you're wrong... na, na, na, na.'" This is surely the finest tool ever made by master craftsmen
@joaum20098 жыл бұрын
"When you say argument from ignorance, people take that as an insult"
@user-kg2un6qi1q2 ай бұрын
What if both premises are false, and yet the conclusion is true. I love those.
@altaydogahan34222 күн бұрын
Just use "incredulity" instead so it's less direct and comes of more formal and less... "I wana insult you" kinda way
@TheJimtanker8 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome video. Your ability communicate these complex concepts are what made me watch TAE with almost religious fervor. This is a very interesting and important topic and I hope that you make more videos specifically about fallacy spotting. Thank you.
@CSEwens8 жыл бұрын
I personally think Matt is the entire reason TAE is even on the map. The other people are smart, interesting, lucid folks. But Dillahunty is one I consider to be of singular wit and exceptional speaking ability.
@pietrotacconelli83117 жыл бұрын
Personally my favorite episodes are when he's accompanied by Jeff Dee or Tracie Harris. They have a way of cutting down arguments at completely different points from Matt after letting the opposition get some ground, quite intentionally I might add.
@adamweishaupt20073 жыл бұрын
it's funny because TAE means shit in our language. haha
@arewhyinoh85958 жыл бұрын
I gotta say Matt...I'm glad you're on our side. I look at what you describe as a negative mindset, It can almost be equated to what a sculptor does. You chip away at this beautiful piece of marble until you find the truth of what lies beneath. That sculpture was always there, but you have to knock away the crap to get to it.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe8 жыл бұрын
"Reading is the best form of active listening". Wow, epiphany moment. I wouldn't be surprised if reading, a form of active listening, is a highway route to empathy & reasoning skills
@DrayseSchneider8 жыл бұрын
11:47 "Argument from Ignorance" Yes, I don't know how many times people would take offense whenever I claimed that that was their fallacy. They actually thought I was calling them ignorant and, if they knew a little bit about fallacies, would accuse me of Ad Hominem and I couldn't figure out why. lol
@lastofusclips52918 жыл бұрын
+Steven Schneider better to explain what it is instead of naming it
@DrayseSchneider8 жыл бұрын
+Peter L Uh, yes I know. That was kind of why I was bringing this up. Thanks though.
@MikeJones-xl3ti4 жыл бұрын
Just what I needed, Matt. Thanks. You got me started on my truth-seeking journey several years ago and for that I’m very grateful. I’ve been avoiding learning about fallacies for too long, and for some of the reasons you mentioned. I understand now that I need to learn to find fallacious arguments, but I don’t need call people out on them, at least not directly. I disliked hearing them called out because, like you said, it sounds like you’re calling interlocutor dumb etc. Because I disliked that I’ve resisted learning logic. But I do sourly need to learn to progress. Once again you’re helping me progress to the next level.
@gregcampwriter8 жыл бұрын
So many apologists get irritable when I ask them which deity they're referring to. They take it as an affront to their beliefs that anyone might not have exactly their model of god.
@mrvoltar8 жыл бұрын
I have little or no interest in debating theists but I love thinking and this series is a great tool for trying to think more clearly. Thanks, Matt.
@amberjarratt60728 жыл бұрын
"I just saw somebody's eyes glaze over". Woah, Matt... how did you know?!? There must be something supernatural going on here. Maybe you have special powers. XD
@armadyl12128 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate these videos you do Matt. You are doing very good work.
@ciera16474 жыл бұрын
I'm using this video to help with homeschooling. Good job 👍
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr3 жыл бұрын
Indoctrinating with atheism at your school?
@josephparedes56863 жыл бұрын
I saw someone comment about this same train of thought and so i got the urge to do it myself. Matt, you have taught me a lot, more than you can know. If it wasn’t for you i may not be where i am now, on the pursuit of absolute knowledge, your feats of critical thinking and logical reasoning are praiseworthy. Thank you for your noble contribution to mankind, and the pursuit of truth. Thank you so much. Your work... its invaluable...
@DanielLee13 жыл бұрын
What’s your view on absolute knowledge? Always an interesting topic, I find.
@HasseMephisto8 жыл бұрын
Gosh @ spot the fallacies in the media, to train yourself I was watching some politicians talk for an hour yesterday night. I was so shocked to hear so many fallacies in just a few minutes. And the audience clapping and agreeing with it all, blindly.
@ThomasCranmer19593 жыл бұрын
Were they Democrats? Because Democrats never lie or commit logical fallacies.
@Chamelionroses8 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes...thanks. This stuff helps. Especially like this sort of thing without boring lectures.
@TheRationalChannel8 жыл бұрын
The most commonly used fallacy by theists is the argument from ignorance IMO. Fallacy by assertion comes in a close second though.
@TheRationalChannel8 жыл бұрын
FiniteAutomaton That's a good point actually.
@TheMonk728 жыл бұрын
+UnrationedRationale while I have no need to defend Evolution as an atheist, I do have a position on Evolution that is unrelated to my atheism and that position may require defense. If some theist brings up evolution in a discussion about my atheism then I generally point out that the two are not interdependent and move on.
@TruthSausage7 жыл бұрын
All atheists only tool consists entirely of logical fallacy. Refute me. I dare you to try.
@DarthAlphaTheGreat7 жыл бұрын
The Rational Channel the specific version of argument from ignorance, argument from incredulity, is most common I've seen. But also among the pseudoscience community and the climate change denying community.
@DarthAlphaTheGreat6 жыл бұрын
France S Nobody says that, the conclusion is not WRONG because the premise is fallacious. It is NOT RIGHT. Because correctness need to be demonstrated. If the premise is fallacious, assert the conclusion is true is not even wrong--it doesn't even make sense. Matt is all about having good reasons to arrive at truth...if you walked into something true by accident, but couldn't reason or explain it without a fallacy, then you DON'T have good reason to make other people believe i's true, and other people don't have to believe you. But I am sure it fall on deaf ears...
@MarkSiefert8 жыл бұрын
There is another problem that comes up when using logical fallacies: the person who just doesn't care that their argument is fallicious. I recall one theist who posted on the online forum for a certain skeptical "educational association" who insisted that the Argumnet from Ignorance was actually structurally invalid AND was a proof for God's existence. While such logical tomfoolery may be ignored by us, in this age of solipsism where everyone is figuratively allowed their own reality as a matter of tolerance, it is dangerous.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Siefert: The great ball that's currently in the court of the atheists is about the value of honesty. If there's ever to begin a global shift in consciousness where religion loses its primary grip, it's to put this ball in the court of the theists. As you say, the person who just doesn't care that their argument is fallacious.
@JohnCashin8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Siefert Yes, this is in fact the biggest problem when debating with Theists, you see, what you have to appreciate, which I'm sure you do, is that they believe in this magical God/Supreme/Eternal being who can do anything and for whom a thousand years is like a day etc, so little wonder then that when you try to point out all of the blatantly obvious inconsistencies and factual conflicts within the Bible and within even what they are saying and how it doesn't make any sense, they can just fall back on things like 'the natural man cannot understand the things of God' and the age old 'God works in mysterious ways' get out clause. As Atheists who are also Skeptics, we value logic and rational thinking because we don't accept the idea of a God that is above it or who can bypass it or that there are any exceptions to the application of logic and rational thinking, if someone does believe there could be such exceptions, then of course they won't care that their argument is fallacious and this as I say is the big problem, until they can see that there is no justification for believing in this being who transcends logic and what is rational, they won't care about it at all, they won't think it matters like you do, this is how I was when I was a 'Born Again Christian' and it was only when I began to strongly question God's actual existence and the divine authority of the Bible that I began to care about whether the things I was telling others and what I was living for made any sense, prior to that, I just went along with the idea that although I might not understand it intellectually, God understands it and all I have to do is trust him. Believers will tell you one thing one minute and then in the next breath they will say something that completely knocks out what they said before and they will seem to just forget that, if you try to point it out, they will then try and twist it and claim that you didn't understand what they meant, this is why Matt quite rightly gets Theist callers into his show to clarify point by point, stage by stage, what exactly they mean before they get to their conclusion because as he said himself, if he doesn't do that, by the time they have finished, he will then have to go back to that point where there is a problem that undermines their conclusion and they will then claim 'no...that's not what I meant'. What actually happens a lot of the time on The Atheist Experience though is that they often don't get to finish their case because Matt and the other hosts will pull it apart right from that point where it's in error rather than waiting till they finish and he is absolutely right to do that, the day someone can get past all of that and finish their conclusion is probably the day when either they will have a caller who is presenting a very clever, seemingly watertight case for something that is false....or they will have finally got someone on the show who can at least Philosophically demonstrate that their 'A God exists' proposition is correct.
@tacticalwarhead06098 жыл бұрын
go watch stefan molyneux video about what is wrong with athiest a lot fallacy in their spread the word
@bunnybismuth8 жыл бұрын
+Houstonmade1994 Fuck off, basement-boy.
@andrewslattum23964 жыл бұрын
I’m personally theistic, but an argument like you mentioned isn’t valid. I’m sorry you had to witness that. But, there’s intelligent atheists and stupid atheists, same with theists.
@lb64798 жыл бұрын
I know that Stanford university offer a free logic course through the coursera online platform which teaches you a good grounding in logical arguments and deduction. It's fun and gets you thinking.
@cosmocalypse37088 жыл бұрын
If there were a god(s), it wouldn't be discovered through word-salad structured arguments.
@tempusnostrumest5 жыл бұрын
And?
@ThomasCranmer19593 жыл бұрын
If there is not a god which god does not exist and how do you know?
@Froggsroxx Жыл бұрын
Thanks to all this I was able to spot a motte and bailey fallacy while talking with someone, and explain where my issue was in their argument... now it didn't do me any good because they didn't care about representing their point honestly, but I at least got some practical experience identifying and deconstructing the fallacy
@cosmogang7 жыл бұрын
After watching a ton of AE I was hoping to get started familiarizing myself with logical fallacies and I was quite pleased to see MD had just the thing. Thank you
@arjandenbesten67868 жыл бұрын
Man this is just what people need great initative Matt. Untill now i Just watched any video related to the theistic debate. Nice to see that you are kind of embarking on a how do you do it series ;)
@You878 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video so much, I wanted to save a transcript version for future reference. The automatic captions are reeeeally not bad (You almost gotta teach us a separate class on pronunciation that gets so well recognized by YT :) ), but still will have to edit a few things it didn't catch right. So once I'm done, I can hand over the file to you to add as authorized captions to the video (as not being the uploader I can't add them here, and I understand why you don't want to open that feature for any trolls from the public). I also think it might be extremely helpful for non-native listeners from abroad. Huge thanks again for the video!
@Bolgernow8 жыл бұрын
Thanks as usual Matt! Is it your birthday today? If so, hope it's a great one! Most common fallacies I encountered are: Straw Man, Ad Hominem, Red Herring, Special Pleading, Appeal To The Stone, & Argument Verboseum. Looking very forward to running into way more (Ahem, I committed them way to often when I was younger) and learning more daily
@Bolgernow8 жыл бұрын
+Kombo Breaker Holy shit! I did not know that one. Thanks for teaching me something new, and wonderful. As a "student" of Quantum Mechanics I really really like this one ;)
@InteGritti4 жыл бұрын
So so so so so so grateful for this my focus right now is working on understanding all of the logical fallacies cognitive distortions and so on. This is extremely helpful as advice thank you so much.
@tedgrant28 жыл бұрын
1. Everything that exists had a beginning. 2. God did not have a beginning. 3. You got it.
@ElroyMF16 жыл бұрын
ippos_khloros explain?
@yusufhelal13876 жыл бұрын
"Everything" refers to objects or beings that "exist" inside the realm of REALITY because we cannot observe or even know about any "thing" outside the realm of reality Since people asserting the existence of a god , assert along side it the fact that it is outside the realm of reality , then "God" (Whatever that may be) cannot be judged with the same criteria as "everything" that exists inside the realm of reality
@mrdrone42533 жыл бұрын
Valid and sound
@mrdrone42533 жыл бұрын
@@yusufhelal1387 you're invisible magical man in the sky does not exist in reality
@tedgrant23 жыл бұрын
@@yusufhelal1387 God is invisible, so we can never see his back parts (Exodus 33:23)
@apsarator8 жыл бұрын
A great day today - you published 3 new episodes - i am very exited
@TheBuslaefff Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content Matt, may God bless you !
@guillermoch8 жыл бұрын
Having a guy talking to a camera for 43 min. about logic, and still be very engaging an interesting. Always a pleasure listening to tu you Matt :) ! Have you read philosoper Mario Bunge (wiki) is an Argentine philosopher, philosopher of science and physicist(wiki)? If you did't, I think you are going to like him very much.
@davids111311138 жыл бұрын
Slick is such a great study case for logical fallacies, such as one of his main arguments 'We can conceive of the logical absolutes, therefore that means they're 'concepts'...he relies on this fooling people who don't think very clearly because a bit of thought shows we can conceive of all kinds of things but that doesn't make them 'conceptual' only like I can conceive of an apple, but apples are not 'concepts'.
@imDrew217 жыл бұрын
You're the kind of dude I'd like to have a pint with! Thanks for existing, try to keep doin that. :)
@jneuman65586 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your time, Matt. 🙂
@Chic01taliano8 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Matt. For anyone wanting to expand on the topic search for Introduction to Philosophy from Stephan Molyneux that i found very helpful in my rebuttals. Also worth looking for is An Introduction to First Principles also from Stephan.
@OrangeDiamond338 жыл бұрын
I've followed you for years Matt, since the beginning of the Atheist Experience. I really enjoy listening to you speak pretty much on any topic. You are probably the only person I can think of that almost never uses "um" or "aaaahhh" while speaking. This is something I have tried to train myself to not use and I find it very difficult. Are you aware of how you don't do that and did you have to train yourself to get to this point?
@EroticPlatypus6 жыл бұрын
OrangeDiamond33 I know this message is 2 years or so old, but I think there is a good reason a lot of people have the habit of "uuum"s and "aaahs"; when speaking to people or answering questions, many (with me at least) tend to assume I didn't understand a question or something else they said if I don't nearly immediately start replying, when in fact I am just heavily considering what they say or trying to find the perfect words to express most accurately, the concepts I'm trying to convey....the people don't seem to realize this, and continue talking, or get annoyed with me because they don't think I'm listening (this has mostly been family members and old friends), So filling any possible silences in a conversation with umms and ahhs seems to let the other person know that you're listening. Of course when you're the only one who is speaking it doesn't give any advantages.
@sethfullerton14988 жыл бұрын
Not going to faun over your influence in my life, that's just a bit odd. Not sure why so many people do that. HOWEVER, I do really appreciate your videos. Very helpful, consistently practical, and abundantly well informed. Thanks a bunch.
@freshairkaboom81716 жыл бұрын
The fact that Matt consistently references Star Trek makes him even more awesome.
@Frie_Jemi5 жыл бұрын
I love it, you're talking about how we think about claims and their truth value...and say, "We KNOW, from even the purist Vulcans, that they HAVE emotions." totally like everyone watching has to know this. I ask you, "could a Vulcan be a sociopath?"
@originaljayno8 жыл бұрын
1:06 Almost sounded like you said "Argument from Scott Bakula" OH BOY
@LughSummerson8 жыл бұрын
+originaljayno If he leaps from life to life, setting right what once went wrong and changing history for the better, it follows that there is a benevolent force guiding his jumps, thus proving that there is a god and he is good. QED.
@amazingbollweevil8 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you're on the side of reason, Matt. I'd hate to think what you could do if you were working for the other side. ;-)
@amberjarratt60728 жыл бұрын
+amazingbollweevil to think he once was....
@Bill_Garthright8 жыл бұрын
+amazingbollweevil Heh, heh. Of course, he'd be stuck with some pretty terrible material to work with, if that were the case. On our side, at least he can use the truth.
@DarthAlphaTheGreat7 жыл бұрын
Socrates verified them being right in classical logic. In certain modal logic (analogous of "real world application logic") where not (not A) does not imply A, certain things that would be valid in classic are not in this
@darkbunglex8 жыл бұрын
I remember when I first found the Atheist Experience on KZfaq I had a bunch of objections, most statements I can now reconcile but it included Matt saying "That is an argument from ignorance" and I would always comment how rude it was because it sounds intentionally rude to people unfamiliar to logical fallacies. It is one example of many that comes from living in an debating atheist bubble where you forget that for many people the lingo is unfamiliar. I always remember the time it took to understand the atheist arguments on first pass, even as an atheist myself. My point is, it is important to remember the person you are talking to might not understand your terminology you are using and just naming a fallacy may just create more confusion, it is more important to explain why it is a fallacy in layman's terms than being able to identify it by name. I don't even know the fallacy names, I just remember the structure of fallacies.
@TheZooCrew8 жыл бұрын
+DarkBungleX Fuck the kid gloves. This is not difficult stuff to understand. And I don't find discussions with people who take offense in knee-jerk fashion to the word "ignorance" to be productive at all.
@joecerjak97135 жыл бұрын
This has driven me crazy since I started listening to Matt. Validity goes to structure. Well groundless goes to the content of the premises. The argument is valid if the structure is proper. The argument is well grounded if the premises are true. THEN, the argument is sound if it is both valid and well grounded.
@HasseMephisto8 жыл бұрын
+Matt Dillahunty Instead saying _"that is an argument from ignorance"_ and similar fallacies ... if appropriate, I would say _"that is an assumption (and add why I think this)"_ instead. I do this mostly because I can recognize alot of fallacies, but I too do not know them all by name.
@lastofusclips52918 жыл бұрын
+Hasse Mephisto an unjustified assumption is not a fallacy since there is no reasoning involved (with fallacies being defined in terms of reasoning gone wrong). you don't need to know the name of the fallacy, just what the fallacy is about.
@waelben20004 жыл бұрын
Can you make a long video on fallacies? At least the ones you think are most common in the arguements for the existence in a deity.
@piq-dg3vz8 жыл бұрын
i wanna watch more of these lectures! thanks matt!
@zacharycates54858 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could do a series of short videos in which you dissect a popular meme that might be an example of one or more fallacies. That could be useful to explain in further detail what you've said here, it could be controversial and interesting, and it might be fun for you to do!
@tedgrant28 жыл бұрын
1. Everything that exists had a cause. 2. God did not have a cause. 3. Therefore God does not exist.
@skipbellon43426 жыл бұрын
Prove that the Universe had a cause.
@TheTruthseeker12315 жыл бұрын
It's not an argument of any real strength, but it is a valid argument as written.
@bououdenahmed7795 жыл бұрын
hahahaha
@zer-op2gq5 жыл бұрын
I think this went over most of your heads (laugher aside. We're hanging tight). This is the argument given in many cases (it's not a straw man if it's the argument given to you) Above all it's just funny. Sometimes jokes really are funny even if they need to be explained
@gwmcklintock5 жыл бұрын
This was a very interesting video and while I reject much of what you're saying, I did enjoy listening to you and the way you presented your information. Without knowing you, you seem to be the type of person, as I am, we can be in total opposition, still walk away having enjoyed dinner!
@MarkWrightPsuedo5 жыл бұрын
Logic: simply means consistency and coherence, things naturally follow, they are related. That's it. No need to overcomplicate it. Of course you can drill down into logic a lot deeper, but the overarching concept is internal consistency and coherence.
@bhalobangali11793 жыл бұрын
great lecture! but when you mentioned your wife's great suggestion to reframe from pointing out the ignorant fallacy to other people, i think this is something you have experienced with your wife yourself. Allmost all wives often angage in all kinds of fallacys, I know mine does!!
@backstabber7658 жыл бұрын
I'm really stoned, Matt.
@ahouyearno8 жыл бұрын
Can you do one on misusing fallacies? A few examples: - using god as the simplest explanation as per occam's razer - Matt Slick creating a dillahunty fallacy - calling no true scotsman when the definition of feminist is used correctly (anti-feminists are very prone of this) - William Craig claiming that Krauss quote mined Valenkin (probably the most dishonest thing he ever said ...) How do you respond to this? In the last example, Krauss was stunned for seconds.
@Bill_Garthright8 жыл бұрын
+ahouyearno Heh, heh. When I call someone an idiot on KZfaq - which, admittedly, isn't a very nice thing to do (and doesn't advance a debate very much!) - they frequently respond by claiming an ad hominem fallacy. Of course, it's not. I don't argue that they're wrong because they're an idiot. I'm just calling them names (while, usually, arguing against what they're saying, too, elsewhere in my comment). And if I want to be a real jerk, I can point that out. Sadly, I can't always resist. :) That's a pretty simplistic example, but I thought I'd mention it. I really like your idea. I have no education in philosophy, and it doesn't interest me very much, but religious people keep claiming that they have a "logical proof" of their god, so I think it helps to have some knowledge of this stuff. Just recently, I was arguing with a guy who claimed that his "logical proof" was "valid," despite the fact that his premise was complete bullshit. Of course, "bullshit" probably isn't a recognized philosophical term, while "valid" apparently has a rather specific meaning. Oh, well. I've learned a little bit here, at least. :)
@ahouyearno8 жыл бұрын
Bill Garthright oh yeah you're right. Wrongly claiming ad hominem fallacy is very common too.
@brucecook5026 жыл бұрын
it takes someone who formerly believed in false beliefs who found thier way out to know how a person of faith falls for that particular idealogy. Thank goodness for people like matt who understand how to explain these things so precisly like this. I understand it all because I was deep into fundamental religion and remember why i held onto these beliefs so strongly and deeply, but at those times never considered what was wrong with them. I got lucky in that I figured these things out to be wrong on my own because if I had heard arguments from the other side I would have a bias for rebutles from my side and only poison my mind into excusing logical arguments agianst my beliefs. the biggest factor in why I would never fall for faith agian is because I did much research on different religions, and the foundations of these religions like what caused the founders to believe they were recieving instructions from divine spirits, and it all became so clear to me why we have religion in the world, and with the gullability of humans in general it is easy to indoctrinate anyone who doesnt know better. the mind loves to learn and embrace information, and this is easily why people take these faith systems so seriously, and even reject any outside criticism and become defensive even in the facre of factual evidence to prove the religion is just as bogus and manmade as the last one made up or the next. Its clear to me that humans are a very dellusional species and sadly as intellegent as we have become these days that we are still stuck in a primative mindset to believe in superstition when that should have went out the window with our ancestors, but its still a flawed feature we have today. I really hope we outgrow this someday because religion like islam and sharia law that wants to take the world will put an end to the beautifull things we can be capable of.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr3 жыл бұрын
Or an atheist might have fallen for a particular ideology
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr3 жыл бұрын
Yeah so why would so many people think they were getting information from divine spirits if there was nothing supernatural? I think the ancient egyptians really did have their "gods" but they were fallen angels. Above them, yes, but not the God of creation. We have our gods today, those above us that we believe and follow. Government, scientific consensus, the United States is our God now that people will give their lives for. They are martrys for their God the United States. Sacrifices of blood just like in ancient times.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr3 жыл бұрын
Yes people are very easily deluded with beliefs. The gospel is all about belief. Who do we believe and follow? So we're all born into a belief and God wants to know if we want the truth. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Do we want the truth, or do we want to be atheists mostly? What if the truth hurts? Do you want the truth no matter what? If you do, then the bible says that God will give you saving faith. Happened to me. I don't know your heart. Most people don't want the truth, they want what makes them comfortable. Mormons want to be Mormons and Catholics want to be Catholics and atheists want to be atheists. Agnostic seems like the more open version of atheist, one with a heart that would accept the truth no matter what it was. Just by calling yourself atheist on something that you really can't be sure on, sounds like hardening your heart right there.
@calliebriggs90213 жыл бұрын
Matt is the best
@youweechube8 жыл бұрын
awww come on Matt you totally should talk like the opening through the whole video ! (maybe for april fools or something ! ) That laid back approach took me back to watching endless episodes of Bob Ross painting trees and mountains.
@lyndawilliams84348 жыл бұрын
+youweechube and behind him... many many happy little trees....
@CSEwens8 жыл бұрын
I absolutely respect you, sir. In fact, I consider you as one of my very few role models. I just wanted to ask you what your thoughts are on the Atheist Experience's response to the anti-islamic callers. I watch all the time, almost religiously (buah!), and I've noticed some strange trends. When you've been asked about Islam, you've said that Christianity was your primary focus; as that was closer to the center of your personal experience. This seemed like a perfectly rational response. But recently, I heard Russel and Jen take one of these calls. They went the route of, 'all extremism is equally bad.' This bothered me a bit.. I was just curious what your thoughts were on this. I also noticed that you do not disable comments, as they have. I personally consider an atheist program disabling comments to be profoundly disagreeable. I respect them, I respect you. I was just curious what, if anything, you thought of this. Loved this video, btw, and I'm sorry to leave an unrelated comment. Keep fighting the good fight, brother!
@TheSpaceInvaderer7 жыл бұрын
"Credulous bafoon who couldn't argue his way out of a paper bag." he was referring to Matt Slick right?
@JJCage788 жыл бұрын
Great video Matt!
@mikeziter5012 жыл бұрын
Cynicism: an inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest; skepticism. This is the definition I operate with. Why is it claimed that this is a "bad" mentality to have?
@Kyeudo2 жыл бұрын
Because people aren't motivated only by self-interest. Yes, someone who helps someone else feels good for doing so, but that doesn't mean they didn't want to help.
@sleepyd12318 жыл бұрын
Most fallacies I notice very easily, Except equivocation fallacy. Ive really got to sit down and think about that one ]
@charlx89798 жыл бұрын
+Dylan Ost and its a really common fallacy, its real tricky wich is why apologists use it A HELL OF A LOT and i mean a lot, all the time
@Bill_Garthright8 жыл бұрын
+luke V Wow. You're right. I run into it all the time. I guess I just never knew what it was called.
@charlx89798 жыл бұрын
FiniteAutomaton and that is the prime example of a equivocation fallacy the runner up to that is when they equivocate the common usage of theory with the scientific one but yes the faith equivocation is the most common usage of that fallacy in religious debates
@laurabramhall78635 жыл бұрын
charl
@diroxmusic54338 жыл бұрын
I heart u Matt.
@WA-ge3vz8 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, I would like a group of these types of discussions or lectures in audio form that I could have on my phone and listen to like a podcast. I would pay money for something like that and I think others would to.
@CSEwens8 жыл бұрын
I second that!
@You878 жыл бұрын
Why don't you just make/save a mp3 (or other audio format) out of the Yotube videos for private / personal use? Would save Matt any additional work and time ... Unless he really wishes to market a separate product with these (which I doubt, otherwise they wouldn't be on KZfaq but behind some paywall on other websites. So just supporting patreon and enjoying is okay, I hope.)
@CSEwens8 жыл бұрын
You87 I second that as well!
@plaguedoct0r7 жыл бұрын
I got confused on purpose because I don't like being told what to do. ...It was harder than I thought.
@timothymorrisii71654 жыл бұрын
Premise 1; All Matts have a last name. Premise 2; Dillahunty is a last name. Conclusion; All Matts are Dillahuntys.
@DanielLee13 жыл бұрын
Just for laughs, I’ll argue that with you. I don’t accept either premise! Not everybody has a last name, and not all last names are Dillahunty. 🧐
@scienceexplains3025 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video. But cynicism is more specific than just naysaying everything, it is about how you think the other person thinks. It is a disbelief in their belief due to their supposed motivated belief, which, Yes, you implied in your details
@sharonv15488 жыл бұрын
I love you so much, sir.
@jinxy72able5 жыл бұрын
Argument from ignorance fallacies are very easy to spot, whenever a Christian says "What else could it be", or "How else could it have happened" or "How else could it be" or "who else could have done it" etc... those are red flags. The person is more than likely engaged in an argument from ignorance. I actually run into this fallacy being committed by theists more than any other. It is also often a sort of god of the gaps argument. It seems to be at the core (or foundation) of why they believe in god (at least among a great deal of theists I have debated with).
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr3 жыл бұрын
Well if you give me a billion years then I guess it could happen. Why? What magic does a billion years do? What proof do you have that a billion years can do anything at all? You're argument is, we don't know what a billion years can do so MAYBE it can create incredibly complex living things. That's a very weak argument. Billions of years is just your God, but billions of years can't save you, also it's a lie from the Father of Lies.
@BaristaKofiMensah8 жыл бұрын
I come across Argument from Ignorance, appeal to authority and appeal to popularity often.
@thatperson00136 жыл бұрын
That opening though
@scepticchristian7 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt et al. Really helpful, thanks. At about the 37 minute mark, you seem to be critical of someone’s standpoint where s/he believes that God could see into the future but chooses not to and yet can prophecy. As a former evangelical, I had a similar view that God did not see the future or need to (not sure if this compromises his Omni-presence though) in order to prophecy. Consider this. The argument (certainly for humans) may come under the concept of determinism/free will (philosophical and theological) but I’ll just give examples, to enable anyone not familiar with the concept to engage too. You predict that a cup falling to the ground, beaks. The fly trap will catch flies and your baby will wake up and cry at about 3am. A very observant mum/dad can be much more accurate about certain things and the more you know, the more you can know. Of course none of these can be prophesied, only guessed at, albeit with good odds, because they are all susceptible to the unpredictable, outside change and other agencies like the angle dropped, the absence of flies that cold night or an ill baby. The thing which stops the guesses from becoming certainties is our highly limited human understanding of surrounding events which affect all of this. Now God of course knows everything down to the atoms and so all of the mechanical effects, including the weather, the butterfly effect, supposed free will, our thought processes and actions, accidents, decisions, are entirely predictable to Him, when He has such perfect knowledge of all things. This only sounds unbelievable because of our own limited knowledge, as with evolution and how many simply can’t accept it because it seems too impossible. Hence, God can make 100% accurate prophecies and predictions without having actually been there in the future. This isn’t cheating because He hasn’t looked, it’s like card counting, it’s using what you know to make a claim. There are no doubt many scriptural problems with this and varied thoughts on the attributes of God and theological aspects to challenge this, not to mention the problem of a genuine free will. Any thoughts/criticisms welcome.
@hackeritalics6 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm... I think he was criticizing the statement.. my thoughts are that you've just shifted the way in which god predicts future events from simple magic to something more physical. It still wouldn't invalidate arguments where you ask "if god knows, why didn't he stop the heart attack in that child? He knew it would happen before it happened." Yeah, I think you may have just come up with a way of -predicting- the future based on information instead of simply seeing it.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr3 жыл бұрын
@@hackeritalics God allows suffering if you haven't noticed.
@clifflutz1556 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt I’ve always wondered how you were introduced to formal logic and if you had maybe a favorite book on the subject?
@MetalWolfzАй бұрын
Informal Logic A handbook for Ciritcal argumentation by Douglas N. Walton is a good introduction to logic, types of dialouge and fallacies.
@straubdavid98 жыл бұрын
How does your head not explode when dealing with someone like Sye Ten Bruggencate, and would you really want to debate William Lane Craig ( I think my eyes are still rolling from watching him over a year ago)? Aren't the two of them the poster children for the impetus of this video, and perhaps for all your videos?
@Sumiyeco_boutique7 жыл бұрын
Matt! I would love if you hook up with an visual team for your presentation! Can I volunteer?
@MalBishop185 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who is dismayed and disappointed with and by our society (at least in the US) that this is not in the core curriculum along with math and reading in our education system? It seems to me that this should be a class on its own near the beginning of the education process.
@LATEXXJUGGERNUT5 жыл бұрын
As George Carlin once said: the government doesn't want critical thinkers, they want obedient workers. Smart enough to press the button but dumb enough to accept their ever increasing shittier circumstances
@SamGirgenti8 жыл бұрын
brilliant!!!! lost for words.
@vegane_athee6 жыл бұрын
Hi sir dillahunty. Is there an ebook, a PDF or something that you would suggest for a kind of complete list and explanations of logical fallacies?
Maybe their name IS frank but they prefer to go by Joe since it's their second name, my great grandfather went by Al but his first name was John but went by his second name
@Stevevick-ve6kh5 жыл бұрын
What if when u die & find out there is a Hell ?
@rovert464 жыл бұрын
...and it’s crammed with theists!!
@darkphoenix72254 жыл бұрын
Some people really need to watch this video, I had a flat earther the other day try to claim "Oh that's funny, he thinks he hasn't been proven wrong" was a fallacy. The best part to it was he called it a non argument. He was super close to figuring it out XD
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr3 жыл бұрын
I think the earth is flat. It's funny because the logical fallacies are all globers have. Appeal to antiquity, appeal to authority, bandwagon.... no actual proof the earth is moving or has a curve. Amazing but true! We just believe it because that's what we're taught as children. We're ALL indoctrinated with the globe. It actually takes a ALOT to break out of it. It's extremely strong brainwashing.
@christopherrankin14688 жыл бұрын
Theists are world class bullshit artists. I'm sometimes left stunned by the responses I get after making a logical argument. My favorite - "If you're an atheist, you're the god in your universe." That's not even a logical fallacy! What the fuck does that even mean??? My brain just does not compute.
@jaymercha38595 жыл бұрын
Matt saw my eyes glaze over....He is a prophet and soothsayer...Long live the prophet MATT. ....I M A big fan:)
@sunmustbedestroyed8 жыл бұрын
Matt Dillahunty for President 2020.
@ronnieknotts23767 жыл бұрын
Matt growing up! If he gets rid of the 'F' word and keeps calm he may even change the world. He needs to simplify more and get a TV documentary series.
@84Ccate8 жыл бұрын
Nice PoE reference, Tabula Rasa. ;) I saw what you did there.
@TeslaNick28 жыл бұрын
I recommend anyone interested in this should get hold of Steven Novella's series of lectures by 'The Great Courses' called 'The Deceptive Mind'. Essential for anyone wanting to boost their critical thinking skills.
@gilbertramirezpt8 жыл бұрын
For those like Chris McFadden, who don't seem to understand logical reasoning and rhetoric.
@SuperFlanders0076 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend or suggest books for further study on logical fallacies?
@tommylarrett76798 жыл бұрын
Matt's weed pipe is funny looking....how do you carb it?
@PretiumLibertatisEstVigilantia4 жыл бұрын
Thank you spiritual father.
@t1mel1ne-428 жыл бұрын
didn't catch the name, someone Kruger effect, where you overestimate how much you know about something because you don't know how much there is to know. is there a fallacy like that that relates to someone else overestimating what you know, because you know a bit and that's impressed them because they don't know the subject at hand and therefore don't know how little you in fact know?
@TheZooCrew8 жыл бұрын
Dunning-Kruger effect. What you're describing isn't a logical fallacy. It's merely being baffled with bullshit.
@t1mel1ne-428 жыл бұрын
Well not really. I know a bit of computer programming, programmers think I'm OK, my workmates think I'm a genius.
@TheZooCrew8 жыл бұрын
T1mel1ne - ???
@t1mel1ne-428 жыл бұрын
It's not then being blinded by bullshit is my point, they are overestimating my knowledge based on their own
@TheZooCrew8 жыл бұрын
T1mel1ne - Oh. Well, it depends on the motivation. What I posted is the back half of a WC Fields proverb. Religious apologists gamble on their audience knowing nothing about anything, so they insert tiny kernels of fact and then pad them with five feet of outright lies. Either way, it's not a logical fallacy; it has nothing to do with logic. It's just a form of ignorance.
@robloxmodz71996 жыл бұрын
Is Matt dillahunty god?
@jimmajamma20068 жыл бұрын
Yo I wrote this rap from the perspective of Odin a most underrated God imo and possibly my favourite of all the top Gods interested to hear your feedback pls - My is name Odin I'm olden Norse god My noble folk never heard of this holy ghost ya talk of In the morning in the lonely orchard I'm busy wardin off warlorks in the lower portion they get bored up Skull thrust Sword in the mud Bones and blood Conjure up a flood Gushin up in the month of August Lokey marauders Order Thor to turn your boats into saw dust All at odds when your hollow Gods don't listen Got pissed off done put Appolo in a prison Jehovah Catched him slippin on his day off Chucked him in there with him just to see what there both made of I'm in hazy mist when the fog stops you setting sail Feel my grip cut ya jib the wind becomes a gale I'm in the thunder when it comes to rail The one to hail Wodin I run the world!!!!!
@TheZooCrew8 жыл бұрын
+JimmaJamma2006 In my head, the Beastie Boys throw this down. Gnarly.
@cerberaodollam6 жыл бұрын
Oversimplifications aren't always right but there is one thing that has been proven right over the course of my life over and over and that is: people suck!
@vladtepes75394 жыл бұрын
others lay eggs.
@AnHonestApe7 жыл бұрын
Any movements to get this stuff taught in secondary school?