I love when Linkara gets more serious when talking about things like this. I always feel it's Lewis at his most genuine.

Not only is nostalgia toxic, it can lead to you thinking that screaming on KZfaq that cartoons and movies from your childhood don't quite hold up is the mark of a good critic. And that's terrible.

I kinda felt what Geoff Johns was trying to do with Superboy-prime was not meant to mock DC fanboys but a Cautionary Tale how People like Superboy-prime see themeselfs as the victim will blame others for their actions or faults or not showing any hope of moving on or taking any blame even Superman of earth-two did this but pulled back after realizing his own mistakes

Great speech. Lewis is right about Nostalgia. Sometimes, it can be toxic.

This is how I feel about "Restore the Snyderverse". Also, demand for various non-MCU Marvel films to become MCU expansion packs. Tom Holland is Spidey, Mahershala Ali is Blade, get over it.

So basically Dan Didio trying so hard to get comics back to the Silver Age that he'd probably destroy ALL kid heroes (Teen Titans, Young Justice, etc.), legacy characters, or even just anybody. He's like if he got the Deathnote book of DCcomic's existence. Some are spared, given mercy or even his blessings, whole others... are so destroyed that he'd make sure that they die and never existed... EVER.

Its weird that linkara gets so much hate for disliking parodies when he's gone out of his way to be as non-toxic as possible.

This can perfectly be applied to the Star Wars fandom...

This is how i feel about DC fans wanting the Snyderverse restored, Marvel fans getting triggered when you mention Marvel Netflix, Agents of Shield, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, and Agent Carter as part of the MCU, and now DC fans calling you a traitor if you support the new DC movies being made.

This can certainly apply to many fandoms. RWBY, He-Man/She-Ra, Transformers, any video game franchise that goes for a long time, you get the point. People can be so hyperfixated on what came before, that they ignore all the good that certain IP has done now. They let their nostalgia for the old poison their perspective on the new.

No offense to WWE fans or haters, but this is how I feel when I see or hear "we want the Attitude Era back" comments. While it had memorable characters like Stone Cold, Triple H, The Rock, and Mankind, along with compelling stories such as Stone Cold vs Mr. Mcmahon and the rise and fall of DX we must remember that the Attitude Era was a product of it's time. Women were nothing more than fanservice, Wrestlers cut themselves on razor blades to simulate injury and hit each other on the head with steel chairs, Crude stereotypes for Black and Asian Wrestlers were abundant, and stories like the Brawl for All, the Higher Power, and Mae Young were abysmal misfires. While not everything since then has worked and some Wrestlers weren't given their dues like we had hoped, to ask for an older era to come back would undo all the good that came after it ended, at least in my opinion.

*slow clap* Well put, Linkara. This is something guys like Doug Walker could learn from. He's lived as NC long enough to become the Superboy Prime. Oh yeah, I went there!

I always love when Linkara gets serious for a minute regarding a certain topic whenever he does his reviews (in this case, the toxicity of nostalgia and how "it wasn't like this back in my day"). It kinda makes him out to be a thought-provoking and talented throwback reviewer.... or a.... classic connoisseur.... nah, that's not it...... aha! It's sorta like Linkara is a... nostalgia critic, if you will. ..............Nah, that will catch on. P.S. Linkara is way better than him.

Note: this is my future self saying this. In my present, I haven't read or watched Misery yet, but I will let you know when I do either of then.. In the book and movie adaptation of Stephen King's Misery, it exemplifies this problem perfectly. The character of Annie Wilkes is the perfect metaphor for what people become even when they don't realize it. A toxic fan. And people like Paul Sheldon can be caught in the middle of it all. It's his idea to kill Misery, the main character of his book series, and people should learn to accept it. This is not the case with Annie. She doesn't want Misery to die, people can understand that. But it's Paul's own decision of what he can do with his character, not her. It is also prominent when Annie tries desperately to force Paul into retconning her death, she does everything she can to make him do it, going so far as to break his two legs to prevent him from escaping. Same case with Superboy-Prime in this book. He gets so caught up in the good old days he doesn't realize that was all a long time ago, and he should look forward, like how Annie should've accepted her favorite character dying. They both want to relive the past and don't realize it should stay in the past, instead look forward to living the future. IS nostalgia toxic? No, absolutely not. It's okay to think about the past from time to time. CAN nostalgia be toxic? Yes, especially when people have a future to look forward to. Wife, children, jobs, those are things to look forward to. Thinking about back then at the wrong place in the wrong time can effect you deeply, as in the point where Suberboy-Prime 'accidentally' harms a few of the Teen Titans. It's like Ferris Beuller said "Life moves by so fast. If you don't stop to look around once in a while, you may miss it."

"Nostalgia's a hell of a drug"

Why do people keep comparing fandoms to this concept? Do people not get what Linkara is saying here? There is good nostalgia and toxic nostalgia. There is nothing wrong with liking something that was from the past. Earlier seasons of a show are often times better than later seasons. And by that same token, earlier movies are often times better than later movies. I don't think anybody is going to try and convince anyone that Star Trek V was better than Star Trek II because it came out later. Same thing with Jaws. I don't think anyone is going to try and convince anyone that Jaws 3 was better than the first movie because it came out later. That's not the point he's making here.

This is the She-ra fandom in a nutshell. For the record, I’m referring to both versions, but the original series fandom is VERY guilty of toxic nostalgia.

The book doesn’t have an answer to this, because there isn’t really one, beyond just writing a universe where every character and story gets the justice the fans want to see, which isn’t realistic. You can’t please everyone, you can only do what you think will work, under the purview of your editor and publisher. Sure Johns pushed characters over other characters, he’s not the only one guilty of this, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth discussion within the narrative of the text. You can be guilty of something and still be critical of it, in fact that would be better than if you were not guilty admittedly, you know firsthand the problem of doing that. Just my two cents.

I'm so glad that Linkara stayed cool and escaped the Channel Awesome disaster

Thinking about it now I can't help but wonder if this speech was also about him reflecting on the time where he ironically almost ended up becoming like Superboy Prime when it came to getting rid of the things he can't stand about comics at the expense of everyone's elses opinions and memories of them before realizing this and came back to his senses in time to face off against Holokara who was basically what Linkara could've become had he not taken on his personal journey. In a way Linkara himself was delving into toxic nostalgia before coming out of it in time.

I do admit and feel him making superboy a clone of superman and lex it shows and meant to tell what would happen if someone with a good heart and someone with a dark path was made into one person and what if that person wanted to be something more something young justice and even astro boy got right

Nostalgia Blinds Perspective.

Mortal Kombat Twitter in a nutshell

Nostalgia is a key element of Fascism, of course - frequently nostalgia for a past that never existed at all (the Nazis built a full-size Camelot to hang out in on weekends).

So, in a way, Superboy Prime is the Darth Treya of DC. A character used by the writer to voice their criticisms about how other people use the world. And people fixate on the wrong thing; Prime's whining and Treya's, nihilism. Taking what the characters say at face value without considering the idea behind it. Leading to one being mocked and the other (In my opinion) unjustly praised.

Hopefully I don’t become that. Yah know a toxic fan.

The Star Wars fandom in a nutshell

Wow this explains Jim cornette now in every way.

It's funny that while Superboy Prime became VERY HATEABLE! He's the perfect model of what "Toxic Nostalgia looks like" LOL I mean as a Fire Emblem Fan since playing it as a punk teen when it first came to america on the GBA and playing every new entry on release day and even the old ones once I learned how emulators worked! I use to look down on the 3DS Fire Emblems and acted alot like Superboy Prime when it came to the GBA FE games....then me and my little brother shared a WiiU and I re-bought the GBA FE and alongside playing the old games via emulator, and while I had fun! I didn't have as much fun as I did with say FE Fates (Story was Average to below average, But Gameplay, More Conquest really is top tier!) Basically that was my first taste and encounter with "Nostalgia Vision/Goggles" where it was grand and good and I remembered it as such as my memories of the games were protected from scrutiny and I had a need to protect them from such because those were the best memories of my life....but then when I replay them with far more experience as a Fire Emblem Fan in my belt and older, I started to notice the flaws, and realized many of the things I thought I liked and felt never should have been removed in Future FE starting with the 3DS Era were not top tier as I thought they were and the designers of the new game made a good call removing to fixing them! Not every new choice was a smart one! But lets just say I was surprised as someone who loved Archers in the GBA Fire Emblem and found them as useful as everyone else that I was surprised just how HATED the Archer class was! Most of the hate came down to some of the haters just not understanding how Archers worked or in the end hating any class that wasn't a One-Two Shot Killer who can potentially Solo! Yeah I'm of the "play the game as intended over Trying to break the game" (That's warranted to a bored drunk future run out of boredom AFTER a legit playthrough to see what I can get away with LOL). Just going to say I have a love/hate with Tier lists and sometimes it's not because a good amount of my favorite's are made low tier(I'm mature enough to understand "My OPINION" and they do give legit reasons that I can understand their point even if I don't agree). But I guess the hate comes from the smug assholes who act as though it legitimizes ALL AROUND hatred! You know the idiots who act like Superboy Prime to bully fans of "Low Tier shit" The difference between Nostalgia and Toxic Nostalgia isn't that hard to note! One should keep an open mind less they become a non-powered Superboy Prime! A perfect scary example of a Toxic Nostalgic fanboy/girl who abuses their great power to force their viewpoint on others! Even to the point others pull "Everyone has standards" on just how bad that individual can get! But yeah, funny how Superboy Prime ended up being an example of Jeff's poor attempt to make him a model of insulting Nostalgia critics.....and ended up fitting the example of what he represents himself LOL

this scene changed after the end of death metal. prime's redemption was a good one

I still don't get why Batman was so upset about some of those heroes wiping the minds of said villains because the villains figured out who the heroes were. Yes, I understand he got caught but that was an accident. Ok heroes should be allowed to have normal lives if they want to. Also, why is everyone so upset about Diana killing Maxwell Lord? HE LITERALLY TOLD HER THAT HE WAS NEVER GOING TO LET GO OF HIS HOLD ON SUPERMAN!!!! What was she supposed to do? Keep Superman prisoner until Batman got a hold of his Kryptonite? How long would that have taken, how many more innocent lives could've been hurt or lost while they were waiting? Ok, this is Batman and Superman's biggest issue? Is that they are so focused on their codes, that they won't see what's in front of them? Yes, I understand why Superman and Batman don't kill. But Wonder Woman wasn't raised that way. The Wonder Woman that I know is someone who can be as gentle as a summer breeze, but as dangerous as a typhoon.

The main problem with this mindset in general of the idea of Toxic Nostalgia is that it always comes as a counter-criticism to downplay or pick apart the negative criticisms of modern things, implying that we should give in to the modern lowering standards that happen in society and trying to be like “Well the past had problems too, stop pretending it was all perfect.” when nobody ever says that or implies it at all. When people say; “This thing was better in my day”, it is always in response to something that can be measured and objectively pointed out as missing today. Case and point; the recent Star Trek shows have been quite benal and lacking in conplexity and depth of social commentary. While the special effects and acting itself may be better comparatively; it sadly cannot hold a candle to the old stuff no matter how many exploded planets they throw in as a dramatic plot point. This doesn’t even necessary apply to fandom criticism either, it can be easily applicable in the political and philosophical world too; Democratic Republics before the age of enlightenment were considered passe and not viable to be a successful form of government because of the failures of it in Ancient Greece, and people who criticized it were following the motif of “You are living in an antiquated fantasy.”

Apply this to politics and it because particularly devastating.

This rant still works nowadays.

People who prefers Old Smosh with Anthony, even when having Shayne, Courtney, Olivia, Keith, and Noah as their members. People who prefers Old Smosh Games, even when having Boze and Damien as their members. People who prefers fighting games always being in 2-d. People who prefers anime shows and movies always being 2d animated. People who prefers the Classic Avgn, before Kyle Justin, Bootsy, and Kevin Finn leaves Cinemassacre. People who prefers Cartoon movies always being in 2-d. And people who prefers the classic Cartoon Network shows. That's what I think of right now.

Wwe 13th doctor Frozen I have no comment linkara is right that about how things can be toxic.

Basically, this is one of the many reasons why we have grifters on the internet bitching about everything sucking because it's woke now. Too many Superboy Primes in today's society they can exploit. Even they themselves are very much poisoned by a glut of nostalgia.

0:58 Rebirth and Doomsday Clock in a nutshell.

Pretty much summed up the "Luke would never! The Last Jedi ruined Luke Skywalker!" crowd

Also just going to say it right now. Basically N's story from Xenoblade Chronicles 3.

Nostalgia is nostalgia. It isn't toxic. People can be toxic.

Also known as: "Why Ready Player One is bad"

This thing I like isn't the same as it was 20 years ago! Reeeeeeeee!

Hence why some people prefer Marvel to DC.

Ya listening doug?

I just want a new 3D F-Zero game :(

So is ready player one an example of toxic nostalgia? Heard that book has other issues

Original Jurassic Park fandom in a nutshell.

Genwunners in a nutshell

Smash fans

Which episode is this clip from?

I miss the Lightbringer

What about someone whos trying to keep the love of nostalgia alive and being open to both past and future...whilst also trying to say that you dont need to bring up sensitive topics like PC and woke Does that make you more toxic than the topics youre trying to get people to not focus on?

this makes zero sense but I can see why idiots would be impressed with it

If only he actually believed anything his 'heroes' stood for.