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Sometimes war is necessary, but only after literally all other means have failed. This is the message of the Doctor... before you fire that first shot in anger, sit down and talk. If war is preventable, by all means prevent it.

War never changes

@@christianalanwilson434 I think the point the doctor makes here is that war is never the answer. Because the wheels keep turning. The next enemy of your ideal world will always appear.

@@tom4465, and the worst part is that it perpetuates its own self. Of course, that doesn't include those who seek war for their own selfish reasons and are gladly willing to send others to war and die for their own power. And sometimes it is hard to talk to someone who will not talk with you, either because they are insane or just too emotionally torn.

Is that actually true, cause if It is, this is one of the best speeches ever in doctor who no matter who played the doctor, I still love this as one of peter cappaldi's speeches and is so true

Bravo Vince

@@AlexrsGAME yeah no read about it in a Vouge magazine

@@AlexrsGAME this better be fucking sarcasm

Thank you Peter for saving us from nuclear holocaust. What an actor

totally agree. this speech still makes me tear up espically with the shit going on in the world today

Moffat isn’t even bad

@@brobro9169 yeah I feel that he's a fantastic script writer, but he's not the best at showrunning

@@Maisonikkokufan Bingo. Episodes he wrote fully were incredible, but towards the end you could tell he was running out of steam as showrunner.

@@monkeyman767 Can you blame him? from what it seems, being the showrunner is so exhausting.

It's coming from the hearts. :)

Again

He's desperate and vulnerable here, begging others not to make his mistakes.

He's unsure, because as brilliant as he is, he can't make their decisions for them, and he has no control over their actions.

@@MLaak86that’s honestly his entire career. Trying to get people to not make his mistakes.

I think the only reason why people don't like Capaldis Doctor is because they were so used to a young man who was the Doctor. When it was revealed that Peter would be portraying the Doctor I was excited because I think older actors capture the part better but I guess I'm the minority

I didn't like him at first but when I saw Heaven Sent and this episode I changed my mind about him rather quickly.

Exactly what I was going to say.

I like Capaldi as the Doctor I was just put off by season 8's atrocious writing that didn't suit his new Doctor, Season 9 was a vast improvement but it still didn't capture me but after Heaven Sent, I am so ready to give him a proper shot.

+Riain Biehle I agree there, it just works so much better when he's played by an older man and Peter Capaldi is proof that.

@Evi1M4chine no, the point is that after the war, people from Palestine were taken from their homes, placed elsewhere and told "your home belongs to Israel now, because we, the almighty USA, who know *nothing* about this land, its culture and people, but need to export our 'democracy', have decided so; now off you pop".

"In the words of the late great Nat King fucking Cole, unforeseeable, that's what you are."

@@BetaDottore That's flat out wrong. Palestinians were relocated by the Allies as a punishment because they sided with the Nazis during WW2. Look it up.

@@Tantalus010 "Violence doesn't end violence. It extends it". Two wrongs don't make things right. Separating Germany after the war was an act of violence. "Relocating" Palestinians was an act of violence. And look how well it ended up.

@@BetaDottore This speech also equally applies to bullying

It's possible Peter experienced real pain in his personal life that he doesn't feel obligated to share with the public...

@@marknorth8904 that's kind of my thinking. I mean no doubt he's a phenomenal actor, but the way he portrays that level of pain makes me think he's recalling an experience, not just acting it out.

When the Doctor talks about still hearing the screams, many of them were people screaming and running from him 😭😔❤️❤️

@@daveedmundstown6372 and are. He can't change it, but the time war, by definition is still happening, every moment of every day of his life, there is still a time war, in his past, but in everyone else's present.

@@reganator5000 That's the horrible thing about a time war. Any war that could possibly exist as a truly temporal war, has always existed and will always exist. Temporal defense must be perfect and unbroken throughout the path of time, or it and its belligerents never happened at all. If victory, negotiated peace or even mutual obliteration were possibilities the war would be retconned out of existence before it ever started, as would all but one of its groups of belligerents.. who knows how many ambitious timefaring species the Time Lords of Gallifrey victoriously never fought.

But then again too I don't think he remembers if he saved it or not which would also add to the pain if that's the case

I think at this point he knows Gallifrey is ok, as the Time Lords gave him a whole new set of regenerations. In regards to the other things he did during the Time War, the name "Butcher of Skull Moon" must mean something.

Heck, you carry many many years of believing you did it on your shoulders - especially because you were willing to -- I'd say that makes the quibble of retroactively learning you had to fool yourself a bit less of a mitigation.

Agreed. His 10th and 11th selves did stop his war self from blowing up Gallifrey and the daleks, but the siege of tenzalore did happen, and it was only the ending battle of the last great time war. Who knows how long the last great time war went on?

Also, although in the end Gallifrey DID get saved, the Doctor would still have memories of him burning it down, and the centuries of him having that in his head would be equally traumatic.

And all it takes is one to set the world on fire.

Doesn’t matter who wins, once one goes off, both are consumed by fire

And yet they’ve kept the world secure since 1945 Look at the stats in war death after the invention of the bomb. Nukes save lives. It’s just plain. It’s counter intuitive but it’s incontrovertible.

jimmy2k4o exactly

@@jimmy2k4o Because they are not ment to be used

Thinking about it, definitely

I mean, _he already has one..._

@@davi0121 nice didn't know that

@@adrienbayre9898 He got in the late 90's for directing the short film _Franz Kafka's It's A Wondeful Life._ It's a great film that definitely deserved that win.

@@davi0121 thanks I'll probably watch it

Unforseeable*

That line was so good that I used it in a D&D campaign once. There was a character that betrayed the party and doubled down when confronted about it because they shouldn’t forgive her for it. I responded with that

It looks useful until he makes it relevant - this isn't a war, the time war that he both started and finished, was FAAA...AAAR worse.

"No one can forgive me." "I do. Knowing these things, I forgive you." "No one can judge me." "I do. Knowing your crimes, I judge you." "-No one can approve of me." "If I cannot approve of you, then I shall reject the you that cannot forgive yourself." "---" "If you accept your crimes, then I reject your crimes." Echidna to Subaru Natsuki, Re:Zero Vol 12

same here 💔

I knew people would come back here.

I am Russian and I came here. No one is going to win

Agreed

To quote Firefly ..... boost the signal

Is she just stupid? :D thats the last timelord for a reason

@@thelittleagustus.2292 Well his response clearly showed he doesn't understand. The only reason she couldn't completely wreck him in that exchange is because she's a blatant straw man.

@@CorneliusHDybdahl ya serious

@@CorneliusHDybdahl he fought in the greatest war in the universe, stretching across time and space, and you think he doesn't understand what is like to be in a war?

@@longps9528 Remember he is a fictional character and he can only understand what his writers understand. They have not fought in the greatest war in the universe. Setting that aside, you are putting words in my mouth. I am simply saying he does not understand the plight nor the motivation of the Zygons.

She's brilliant in The Serpant.

Nah you could replace her with better actresses and you wouldn't notice

@@symbolitical4158 So in other words, you could also replace those other actresses with Jenna and you wouldn't notice. Thanks for complimenting her talent!

Clara Oswald was second only to Sarah Jane Smith.

@@jooie444 she has a small cameo in Captain America First Avenger

10 and 11’s personalities were formed as a defense mechanism from all the trauma caused by the Time War. 12 was a personality formed by working to heal those wounds.

The man who regrets. The man who forgets. And the man who wants others to not cross that line.

Yeah, every other time it was only bits and pieces let out when the doctor was trying his hardest to Bury it. This is the first time since that fateful moment on gallifrey that he's let all his pain and misery out without holding back or dodging details.

Disagree. Rings of Akhaten. That's when he showed his true pain of the war and his life

The time war, the worst thing that ever is happening- presumably the worst part is that it is still going on. The Daleks and the Time Lords did mostly stop appearing in new places after it, but given it was fought over all time, it's not even in the past. It's just in places he can no longer go. Entire star systems and civilisations can't be visited at one moment or another, because that's where they ended, when the time war devastated them, be it future or past (as he's said before, he can't really interfere with his own past safely, even with it not being linear)

They hired "The crossest man in Scotland" for a reason.

​@@bigdrew565 to play the best emotion the dr has held from us. His resolute and absolute anger and frustration.

And this was the Doctor who DIDN'T have any emotion at first. Which is a lie: he's nothing but emotion. And he's trying to come to terms with it.

He's almost incredulous at first, he fought in the Time War - something that's practically beyond the imagination of any species that survived it to conceive the horror of, then the self loathing and rage of the Time Lord emerges before he begs them both not to make the same mistakes he did.

And also to hear that the hero themselves has done even worse things than the villain is doing

That's because The Doctor has accepted, after many long years fighting against it and denying it, that he isn't the hero. He's the villain. Like he tells Bonnie, "no one else will ever have to feel this pain. Not on my watch." He tries so desperately hard to give people a chance to change. It's almost the only thing he cares about. It's his selfish way of feeling better about what he has done. He has a really deep need to stop others from screwing up the way he did. The Doctor has some pretty big issues he's working through.

Naruto talk-no-jutsu?

@@ghostspartan0182 Villains never think they're villains.. that's why we have the Master. Discuss..

@@mycroft16 Yep...that's why the Doctor is a 'dark' hero.

And who when they read that doesn't hear it in Peter C voice

Well, yes, a peace treaty, but one always find that the side who has the upper hand always can make the more favorable terms.

@@DarkAdonisVyers it doesn't matter. Greater terms whoopie do that completely makes up for the children who lose their parents shattered family's and lives sniffed out before they truly live. War is a horrible option and the means never justify the ends

@@thelittleagustus.2292 The world is an arena, and humanity's true nature is that of the hegemony of destruction.

@@DarkAdonisVyers I don't believe that. I believe we let stupid people make stupid decisions way to often in the world

Oh god, that does feel eerily reminiscent of them

New headcannon, humans get the word die from the darleks.

I mean, he was told that he makes for a good dalek.

Woahhh, good catch bro. I couldn’t imagine it’s intentional, but boy do I love it.

You're right, but I think it's the natural vibrato or something in his voice

Sadly, some people would never "sit down and talk". For some people, war isn't about idealism, liberty and anything like that...war is just another method to obtain power. Whether it's putin desperately clinging to power by feeding nationalism and nostalgia through imperialist expansion, or hamas and israel keeping their people desperate, afraid and angry by constantly provoking the other side, nobody in control wants to sit down and talk. Because then they lose their power. So then, it falls to the people. The angry, afraid, and deeply propagandized people, to sit down and talk, because nobody else ever will. I can't say I ever see it happening but I hope it does, because the alternative is just more pointless, stupid death over the ambition and ego of a few psychopaths.

​@@lunareclipse8573I think he says it's "what you always had to from the very beginning" because the only other alternative is everyone dies. If those in charge are fine with both sides obliterating each other, or blind to the fact that is what is going to happen-- so convinced of their own victory and superiority-- then yes no one will ever sit and talk. It is what ultimately has to be done for anything to end. Most are too cowardly to ever get there.

​@@lunareclipse8573as an Israeli, I can confirm that this method sucks.

@@Whofan06then it’s what the doctor said afterwards when she wouldn’t change her mind «Then you’ll die stupid, alternatively you could step away from the box.» No war has to be done, but when they have decided they will do it they won’t back out from it until all the supposed «bad» people are eradicated. The first thing he said «How are you gonna protect your glorious revolution from the next one? The troublemakers?» This scene alone writed by Moffat just shows two things at the same time for both in the show and irl, this scene will continue to be forever relevant.

@@lunareclipse8573 this is so true...

2326_543337 it is amazing isnt it :)

It's Huey Green.

you mentioned it. and maybe that's enough.

Harry Flashman Well , at least somebody else knows who Peter is impersonating .

@@jooie444 he was the Host of Truth and Consequences wasnt he

Yes. That's a strong parallel.

Agreed. I also think the 'I fought in a bigger war than you will ever know...' part could work just as well for a WW1 soldier giving ISIS a piece of his mind as it does with the Doctor giving Bonnie a piece of his mind.

An interesting philosophical dilemma is whether it's okay to do the right thing for the wrong reasons or the wrong thing for the right reasons. Hindsight is wonderful - albeit terrible thing. I'm unsure whether someone can be morally responsible for doing an action that unintentionally sets off a series of unforeseen unfortunate events that hurt people - especially when nobody could predict it at the time.

A single assassination that both directly and indirectly resulted in the Earth's two deadliest wars, at least two genocides, a race to develop nuclear arms, and a look into the darkest aspects of humanity when they are let into the light. I completely agree. That is a perfect analogy.

Hope we have another one so we can sit and talk again. lolz

“Lines on a map”. I don’t know why but this hit hard for me

tbf thats oversimplifing it a bit but realistically they shud just sit down and talk

@@mayfairbeats4965 Germany (3rd Reich): "So hey can I have all of Europe?"

@@SocksFC "Forward!" he cried from the rear And the front ranks died The generals sat and the lines on the map Moved from side to side Pink Floyd - "Us and Them"

​@LavaSqrl Hitler, We have decided to let you into art school under the most famous artist in all of Europe. More than a world famous artist you will be the man who had the keys to the empire and gave it back. A hero that will inspire nations for generations. All you have to do is give the power back to the people.

The current situation just shows how much this quote leaves out. What if you have two groups that want full control of one territory and don't want to compromise?

@@GTA5Player1Humans are an us vs them species. The only relevant questions are who’s us, who’s them, what are we arguing about and what should we do to resolve the argument. Canada and Iceland have a very nice little one going on over who gets a tiny rock, so every 6 months one side invades the rock, swaps the flag over, picks up some beer left behind by the last lot and leaves some beer for the next lot. Humanity on Earth will never be united together against a common enemy until we find or create one somewhere else. We won’t even work together to save our planet because there’s a part of us that thinks making things worse is convenient for themselves. We are willing to make our own species go extinct rather than work as a team all because it will always be us vs them.

@@GTA5Player1 Isn't that exactly what he's talking about though in the speech? Spilling blood constantly until, eventually, at some point after all the death and destruction and pain and suffering, people are still going to have to talk to find the solution. I'm not smart enough to pretend I know what that solution is, but I do know that at some point or another, talking is going to have to happen to come to any resolution

@@Shotgungunshot1 Youd think so but what if both sides seem content continuing their holy war another couple thousand years?

​​@GTA5Player1 because the worst enemy is the one who thinks they are fighting for what's right. Look at our fictional media and fictional characters who believe they and their allies are doing the right thing

are you available for bar mitzvah's?

That's like belittling the Sontarans. Honestly.

I'm sorry, doctor who are you talking about?

Just A Pug Roll opening credits.

+The Doctor Allons-y

And no music, no explosions, no anything. Just 12th in a basement. 10th and 11th couldn't top this.

@@jeckjeck3119 speech to akaten comes close I'd say

I always point this out to everyone and how he tries to make it good at first but when they ask him why he did this he finally gets more serious and it just portrays how powerful the doctor feels about saving people There’s also the voice crack in the “I forgive you!”

I think he went to Gallifrey after this. For his first scene. Eyebrows attack.

Not just horrors he has seen... atrocities he himself has committed. Her murdered every single person on Gallifrey. And knows exactly how many there were. He was on the front lines of the Time War at some of the most horrific battles, leading. There are reasons the Daleks fear him so specifically. The Oncoming Storm. He brings death and destruction.

After the end of WW1 was agreed upon everyone was informed about exactly when it would end, so everyone could have simply stopped right then, but the last casualty of the war was just a moment before the end, hence people died during it after everyone had chosen that it would end all because there was still some time on the clock to get some kills in.

fun fact: Peter Capaldi won an Oscar in 1995 :)

Damn didn't think of it like that, that's deep

Especially when you consider that before the ceasefire even started, Kate was about to make the same decision the Doctor did to end the Time War. She thought it was justified, and that he was too, but in this moment, this *exact* moment………she realizes how much it truly, *truly* hurt to be a part of it. How much it hurt to be the one to press the button, and to fail to save innocent lives. To be the Doctor……..and to fail, in saving people.

@@Jack-zx3lx I'd imagine that's exactly what's playing through her mind at this point in character) too.

@@Jack-zx3lx Except they didn't. There's an audio book version of Day Of the Doctor and in the end after he's timelocked Gallifrey they all go there to save people. I'm sure there are still Gallifreyans they couldn't save, but considerably fewer than if they hadn't all turned up.

@@misskitty285 But in the TV series, he didn't even remember that he saved Gallifrey. It's specifically mentioned in Day of the Doctor that they won't remember, and you also see it later in the show.

This truly was one of the great shining moments in the long life of our vagabond Timelord.

He channeled every doctor in this scene

It's hard for me to hear this speech and remember that this isn't real. That the Time War didn't happen (yet...just in case). That's how amazingly it was delivered. That's how great of an actor Mr. Capaldi is. I can feel the pain he's speaking.

That is a magnificent way to put it.

1-Oh, will you? Well, maybe, maybe you will win! But nobody wins for long. The wheel just keeps turning. 2-Because I want to get you to see, and I'm almost there! / So, come on. Break the cycle. 3-No, it's not a game, and I mean that most sincerely. 4-Listen to me. Listen, I just, I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind. 5-You're all the same. You know that? Look at me, I'm unforgivable. Well, here's the unforeseeable. I forgive you. After all you've done, I forgive you. 6-I don't understand? Me? Of course I understand. I mean, do you call this a war? This funny little thing? This is not a war! 7-So, let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers. How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one? 8-??? War-When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn! How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! 9-Then you will die stupid. Alternatively, you could step away from that box, you can walk right out of that door and you could stand your revolution down. 10-And do you know what you do with all that pain? Shall I tell you where you put it? You hold it tight till it burns your hand, and you say this. No one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will have to feel this pain. Not on my watch! 11-And we're off! Fingers on buzzers! Are you feeling lucky? Are you ready to play the game? Who's going to be quickest? Who's going to be luckiest? best interpretation i got of what line came from what doctor - it's definitely not perfect and i had to edit some lines, but i can at least hear all these lines in these doctors' voices

‘When elephants fight, ants die’.

Bullshit. The Armenians wouldn't have averted the genocide against them by talking to the Turks. The Jews and LGBTQ and Romani wouldn't have saved themselves by talking with the Nazis. The Indigenous tribes' destruction by colonialism wasn't done because of a failure of communication. Talking and negotiation has worked in history only up to a point. When one group is uninterested in communication, then standing up against tyranny and cruelty doesn't make you cruel in turn. And people who wilfully live complicit with that tyranny aren't innocent. To hell with this incarnation of the Doctor. I ascribe to a far better Doctor's words, which were written just twenty years after the end of WWII: "There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things! Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought!"

Hatred solves nothing and creates nothing. Only love and kindness can create and bring positive change

War, war never changes

@declanhugors There are no good wars, simply unavoidable ones.

Unfortunately, the brilliance of Capaldi and his fantastic ability to deliver high level drama and whimsical humor was largely wasted by a terrible writing team that didn’t give him quality material on a consistent basis … it was a tragic waste of potential by a creative team that simply led the actors and actresses down in this era …

like any of them. if you let them shine they certainly will.

Justinhulk good character=good acting + good writing ,peter is a good actor so all thats needed is good writing

@@LorddexGAMNG too bad there wasn't much good writing

I am your 666th like. 😈

Brighter than the sun.

This really highlights how much better he is than Jenna Coleman

agreed. this really is one of his best scenes and he just does it so perfectly. This kind of scene would never have worked with 9-11 except maaaaaybe with 9, but it wouldnt have been nearly as good.

Did you know that he was the leader of a doctor who fan club and then got kicked out because people hated him and he's the doctor

Seriously?

Agreed

I thought about this scene quit a bit when I saw videos of people talking about the glory of war

"They might not be war heros, might just be a small detail in someone else’s war story." "The young man dreams of the old man's nightmares."

fuck off david tenant is way better and this is coming from a guy who prefers most of capaldi's episodes, no one will ever embody the doctor like david did

Lol There is no war. lmao

@@joetheblu3 Tom Baker is my favourite, then David, then Capaldi. Loved the writing for Capaldi, I'm a big Moffat fan. David was the first doctor I saw and his acting blew me away. Tom Baker will always be my ultimate favourite though, there's just something about that guy.

"You've waited long enough!"

+Doctor Who "and it's about time!"

+Doctor Who one of the best 12th doctors moment's

+Dank DUC is the newest season out yet?

+Dank DUC No. It is his best moment yet. I hope they'll be more.

Considering what Belgarath saw during the war with Torak and the massacre of the Marags

Love that book

G_Rock agreed

Belgariad > Mallorean

They're both good, but I prefer the Belgarath the Sorceror and Polgara the sorceress books.

Brother?

Don Boss i agree wholeheartedly

That voice crack makes me choke up!

@@shawntco Bingo...

In a fan event Capaldi actually talks in character about the 1st Doctor's granddaughter Susan and how he promised to return to her but never did, and you can see the pain in his eyes. This is a guy who knew the character in and out, and the writers/network kind of did him dirty.

This almost made me cry.

I introduce you to Waters Of Mars

@City Watch Guard Or The Day of the Doctor where, in the brief moment, in the jail the doctor confronts himself.

Same.

Even when he saved Gallifrey, the pain never left.

Cold War was also a great episode for that.

This assumes both sides want to talk.

@@misskitty285 Both oor just ine side thinks that they will easily win. They got plan. And then war starts, all plans go too hell...

@@gbat If this war proves anything, it is that human kind's nature to disdain and look-down on those who you see to be lesser than yourself, is VERY　dangerous. Because, nobody REALLY wants to fight anyone who's your own size, no, you wanna bully someone who's FAR smaller than you. And when they fight back, you can't really step down, can you? You don't wanna be beaten by a supposedly small, weak and shy nerdy kid, FUCK NO. Now you have to PROVE that you're bigger than them. You just HAVE to prove that, you've got bigger dick and balls and can punch harder. From the school ground to geopolitics, NOTHING really changes.

@@misskitty285 One side did. Funny enough they're the ones winning now.

​@@gbatno plan survives contact with who you declare as the enemy

GRAMPS how do you not have more likes

That's what I like about Calapdi's doctor. When the doctor regenerates, he develops a new face, and a new way of thinking to go along with it. But his previous selves are still within him, trapped until they have the right time to sparkle. That's what made me love this scene dearly, that even as basically a whole new person, he still remembers the values and feelings that he once felt before he wore the face that he does here.

@@damian9303 The fact that this very specific face was chosen from 10th Doctor's memory just makes this scene even more meaningful.

You can also hear Ten in ever bit of this. The pure regret in his voice...

Take notes number 13

was he speaking about the Time war ? But didn't the 11th doctor know that he didn't blow up Gallifrey ? Then what screams is he talking about now ?

Nisha Shirodkar he is talking about the time war and though he didn't destroy it, I'm pretty sure he killed a bunch of daleks and couldn't save a bunch of children and other gallifreyans.

Neelsen Bugayong Well, he basically made millions of Dalek ships shoot at each other when Gallifrey was frozen, and a lot of those Daleks might have been "converted" Gallifreyans (although I'm not sure Davros was allowing those transformations, as it would have ruined the Dalek race's "purity")

The Fangirl Doctor saves the Gallifrey in his every regeneration but he still thinks he burned gallifrey down i guess

The Fangirl And also he lost a lot even without the time war

May it never die.

My mom and I were discussing the situation in Gaza and I was like there's a really appropriate Doctor Who scene let me send it to you. It was this one of course

Sadly it's always relevant. Every single day of every single year. There will probably never be a time when it won't be relevant, and that breaks my heart.

You can thank Biden. Sorry, but I don’t want to hear you try and say “BUT TRUMP!”. No new wars under Trump. One under Biden.

@@danielespitia1776 When did I bring politics into this? I didn't - so why are you? Also, are you aware of countries outside of America existing? What does your president (or even your ex president) have to do with me? Don't bother answering, you are clearly an imbecile given that you're not even on subject. It's a Doctor Who speech, for gods sake 🤣

AS THEY SAY "The rage of the Doctor can scare a Dalek to the other side of the universe" THIS IS WHY

“NO NO JOHNSON DON- and there it goes...”

@@thedalekprince6118 Demons run...

Agreed

Bonnie: You will never understand. Also Bonnie: Why do I hear boss music?

@@dragmaXE what are you on its a shapeshifting extremist how is she backstabbing a person she was never on the side on

@@shnoozezzz9752 What do you mean "what am I on" pal? I don't remember asking for your opinion from the God damn start.

​@@dragmaXE It is the go to response and last bastion for all extremists or just men and woman who no longer have a legitimate argument. After deploying to Afghanistan and seeing first hand the oppression of women who I wasn't even allowed to speak to no matter how mission critical without a man of the family present with them to speak for them and reading reports on women executed for being raped and much much worse I felt similarly when my more radically left wing cousins told me how it didn't matter why I would never understand why it was sexist that she had to work in an office that was perpetually at 68 degrees and too cold for woman since I was a man. On the flip side, my grandparents basically thought I was a sinful heathen because I didn't go to church but bringing up clear teachings stating that god is suppose to be everywhere and also omniscient so I can worship where ever I want only got me the classic remark that I didn't understand properly. So to answer your question, yeah, I can imagine the nerve quite easily.

Capaldi: So, you have chosen the doctor of War...

The oncoming atorm

I hope Moffat was right when he said he thinks he's not going to write Peter's exist.

+Ionut Maris castiel out of nowhere(I have a problem help)

+Stewart Seyfried matt is my favourite doctor but this one is one of the best

Capaldi's awesome!!

He's one of the acting legends in my eyes.

Daniel Craig I know right I was so fascinated with the facial expressions in this clip.

Yep, she did a great job playing Bonnie.

Hot Dog not just that. Look at Kate. She has a full moment of character growth in the background with even less lines. This scene is very well acted

Oh yes, absolutely agree with you there.

Jenna’s facial expression when The Doctor told her that he forgives her was heartbreaking. She’s quite a fantastic actress and did spectacular as Bonnie in this scene!

These are good but they're no "But it's the best I can do!"

The sad reality is that it's often when at least one side stops even coming to the table that war breaks out... and they won't until they've realized they're going to lose everything.

You've got my vote

Nah, I'll vote for Saxon

@@szabm3179 Dun dun dun dun.

Szab M My votes for Harriet Jones...

He is

James?

LazerzZ And the Doctor didn't even purchase the Nightmare pack

this scene more or less turned me into a pacifist because of the message it brings

Well that i didnt expect

well this I didn't expect, lazerzZ watching Doctor Who? Then again Doctor Who is like a religion in the UK

Just misses some tiny points. That some wars are worth fighting

​​@5678sothourn No war is truly worth its potential cost when diplomacy is always a free option. That is the whole point of this speech. 1:19 No matter how "right" you feel when it starts, all the suffering could have been avoided with diplomacy.

@@ChoasXrunneR Tell me how WW2 could have been avoided with diplomacy. Cause Chamberlain sure as hell tried

@5678sothourn If the Japanese had considered talking things out ahead of time before Pear Harbor or even any point before the nukes were dropped, they could have spared themselves. I'm certainly not a historian, but I feel like if they had backed down or publicly requested a diplomatic/temporary cease-fire for negotiations, the US may have obliged.

@5678sothourn As for the rest of the world, perhaps a certain amount of mercy post ww1 could have reduced the negative attitude to Germany.

exactly, he's gone through so much and the fact that even now he still forgives people just proves that he IS The Doctor, not a Doctor, THE Doctor, the definite article you might say!

definite article followed by the name he chose. because he is THE but he is also the DOCTOR, a title he chose to live up to, a title he chose to be. and with every face, the War Doctor included, he has always been THE DOCTOR.

Too True! And Did you ALL see WHO decided to give peace a chance? The Human..Not The Alien...You all can see WHY The Doctor Admires Humans...THEY believe in GIVING peace a Chance!

When he said “I forgive you” it reminds me of when Ten said to the Master the same thing, because he’s the doctor and he will always be, and he will always forgive.

This truly solidified my love for 12. Honestly, though, at the end of his first season when he told Clara, "Did you really think I cared so little for you that betraying me would change anything?", That's when I accepted him at the Doctor.

Eh. While he did a fantastic job, his style wasn't the style of the others. The others had their moments and their Quirks and if given this scene would have taken it to that level in their own way.

I think Tennant could he has the emotion and range for it

It's the Attack Eyebrows. 😅

I think ‘The Man that Regrets’ would have done a much more heartbreaking performance. But I’m sure that capaldi’s performance is so goooooood.

Sylvester McCoy could of. The most underrated Dr of all time. Also a trained (and brilliant) Shakespearean actor...

You have good morals 👍

Well the doctor may be a bit biased here becasue in a civilized universe he would be locked up for warcrimes. But it's not a civilized unitverse he lives in and the doctor is needed. Also for someone to be forgiven they must also be willing to change. Take trump is he was willing to walk away I see no reason why we shoudl ever think of him again, and I have no problem with Putin taking the money he stole from the Russian people and retiring to some island far away, but neither is willing to change and this they chain themselves to a path that will end in tragedy.

Forgiveness is a tool of cowardice more times than not. Also, ppl shouldn't start anything they can't finish.

@@theothesir that thinking is partly why we're still fighting wars. True Forgiveness isn't cowardly, it is probably one if the hardest things to do. Say something in your life destroyed your life or took the life of someone you loved. When you meet that person again they are legitimately regretful of the wrong they did to you, even then it is our base nature to never want to forgive someone like that. Forgivness goes against our nature. Human Nature gets us into trouble more often than helps us. Morality fights against Human Nature

PinkiePone same here

Even if the doctor changes at the end of the day he wants to see everybody live

We all did

What's ur favourite one from David tennant?

the doctor doesn't have one continuous personality its always changing never the same its what makes this show unique

All eras have flaws even RTD isn’t perfect. This is actually one of the reasons I prefer Moffat over RTD as he knows how to show character development whilst RTD didn’t.

This is indeed a master actor...

Not just British television. I have yet to see a moment in any television series match the emotion of this scene.

Indeed.

Agreed!

Sometimes you have to fight, when one side doesn’t even believe you have the right to exist

@@5678sothourn and then what? The point stands in this scene of how they would protect their fancy little revolution until the next one comes and tears it apart? Just mentions «we will win» No one is winning and people will always continue to suffer. That’s where the point comes where both parties should close the damn box, sit and talk. Like the doctor said «you die stupid»

@@Plotpurotto When all they say is "I want you dead", then there is no alternative to suffering and dying.

@@5678sothourn which again still proves the point of the doctor of this speech. «When you’ve killed all the bad guys and when it’s all perfect and just fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers? How are you going to protect your glorius revolution from the next one? Proceeds thereafter to say «we’ll win» There is no side winning, the wheel always keeps turning and starting all over again. Human calls themselves the most evolved species? I call it unevolved if both parties can’t sit down and talk to work things out instead of letting war happen. Nothing of war fixes and we already seen and known that from the history how bloody world war 1 was and how world war 2 also was as well.

@@Plotpurotto that glosses over the times talking has happened over when it hasn't. You pick the bad while ignoring the good.

Snubbed just like Queen was with the Grammys. -Carlos

@@CARLOSSAVANT The Bafta judges for that year have been excoriated by the public for passing on the "The Zygon Inversion" and "Heaven Sent"....

"You f***in don't tell ME what to DO!!!"

@@Seej1982 ....?

You're talking to the man who ended the Time War by performing an act he believed would result in double genocide. He's not only the greatest warrior in all of time and space, in a odd sense, he's also the greatest war criminal in all of time and space.

@@Seej1982 crazy you are man

pretty sure putin did try and talk at first but Ukraine werent having it

@@joetheblu3 Because invading first and asking to talk after a failed blitzkrieg is clearly for peace, right?

@@buratz9665 he never even had any men in the country when he was asking. i aint defending putin just sick of people saying shit that isn't true

@@joetheblu3 Officially no, only unofficially russian-backed soldiers within Donbas and Lugansk. I'm not saying there were not tries to communicate, I don't know with certainty. But it's clear given recent requests such as "total demilitarization" that peace negotiations were not and are not a priority of his. (Especially since nuclear demilitarization was already a point of the Budapest Memorandum of 94' which Russia clearly broke already)

@@buratz9665 theyve broken more than just that

Capaldi's delivery is what makes it perfect.

The problem is they never listen.

Mmhmm, war is so often completely avoidable and utterly unnecessary if we could just sit down and talk in a pragmatic open and honest way

When you've killed all the bad guys, and it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you?

Its sad that this is relevant.

i could believe it, some of his other scenes are just so great, he's also got great comedic timing. "now you're probably wondering. 'where'd he get the tea.' I'm the doctor, just accept it"

Doesn't matter if its one take or 100. Still a legendary performance.

he did do it in one take!

Same with the regeneration speech...Peter was that good...

It's also a tie back to the 50th anniversary episode where 10, 11, and War Doctor are discussing exactly how many people were on Gallifrey when they destroyed it. The arc from War Doctor through to 12 is astounding and incredible. 12 beings his run by questioning if he is good. It's one of his big worries. Am I a good person. He's admitting to himself that he may just be the bad guy. He isn't running from it any more. He's working through it. And this speech goes right to that. You hold the pain close, you don't forget it, you don't let others make that mistake that you made because you know exactly what it turns you into.

He is the one I've been crying over since his last episode. Every time I see this Doctor, I cry.

@@VereskVeil I feel similarly, although I chalk that up to Chibnall. I cry because I remember when these speeches could make me feel the way this one did.

Tennatnt and Smith were good too, but I rather would have seen that black lady as the Doctor than Whittaker.

@@theforumspecter6680 Yup. When talking about the modern Doctors- Tenant had the best material, but Capaldi did the best job of capturing the role. And what I would give for Whitaker to have been given anything to work with at all. There's plenty of moments where she "almost" feels like the Doctor- but they just won't give her the chance.

Ngl I was expecting a war in this reply section.Pleasantly surprised there is'nt one.

Kids will hear this, and at least some of them will remember when they grow up. A lot of us who loved sci-fi young took good stuff away from it.

*Mahatma Gandhi

Mahatma Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

@@johnangus2650 riiigght

@@johnangus2650 talking crapshit about the guy who inspired Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr. And the guy who fought to get equal rights for all castes and religion... and the guy who tried to bring the poors and underprivileged up into the well-to-do fold... okay.

@@johnangus2650 Way to take history out of context dude. Was he a racist by present standards? Yes. Did he do much to promoted non-violence and racial equality as a whole? A big, fat yes. These hottakes just show your surface level knowledge.

Chocolabtastic Smith umm, the 9th doctor

Chocolabtastic Smith Cough Cough 9th Doctor Cough Cough

Capaldi's issue had nothing to do with him, he is AMAZING! He was just unlucky to get stuck with some utter shit tier writing, and Moffat trying to cram Clara Sue down every one's throats as the greatest, most awesome perfect epic greatest thing to ever happen to him or the show.

He was always immense. The writing was the problem.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nah dude

@Zel Zwrd I felt Whittaker's first scene on the train had yes this is the doctor but agree doesn't really seem to be any proper moments for her which is shame as feel she has great potential to be *the* doctor and to let that out but is being let down by poor episodes

Seeing how this new season has begun, i feel like we might have such a scene in not too long. at least i hope so.

I feel it was the speech she gave about humanity having a chance to change the world on global warming and consequences of it

As long as Chris Chibnall is the showrunner, you will never get that moment. He couldn't write for the Doctor if a Dalek had an exterminator beam aimed at his head.

Justin McCurdy i was thinking the exact same thing

I think the problem with this idea is that you’d have to find actors of the same caliber as Peter from each country

lettertech 1993 impossible 😂

This would be awesome

100% agree. The BBC and Steven Moffatt know how to have a “pop” at the world and the politics that goes on in life

The only thing holding Capaldi back was writing. Man is a great actor, and his stuff wasn't bad at all. Writing team for Smith was just hitting every episode out of the park though.

@@Vort23 imagine if RTD had written Capaldi's episodes. They would've been goated.

That's one of the blessings of fiction, I think.

Yeah I come from a similar place and that stood out to me too. Break the cycle. That's how I escaped....

I’ve met lots of others like us, who’ve suffered, & they seem to choose the high road or the low. Not many in between. The ones who take the high road, eventually, end up truly serene, & somehow spread that kind of goodness. The others, sadly, turn to the dark side, and just keep paying damage forward.

I've been perusing the Doctor's speeches because they have taught me oh, so much.

What a beautiful comment ❤

DearFriend 13th- The WoMAN who...kills the franchise 😯😅

Given we saw the ring fall of the 12ths finger that feels very appropriate for what 13 likely is meant to be. 12 was the final one of what we can consider the post-war doctors.

So whats the 9th? The Man who survived?

@@xxdudeyydude5106 i like that lets go with that

@KenshilmmortalWolf: The last time we saw a ring fall from the Doctor was after the first regeneration. We get the words that it doesn't fit because it's no longer appropriate. I think that was a deliberate echo of that event. In other words, the 13th is something new. So, yes, I think you're right.

i second this. I am so upset he didn't get another season. Series 10 was even better, and i just get so sad that he didn't live up to his potential. I still love him regardless.

He deserved a run to eclipse Tom Baker's legendarily long run as the Doctor.

We really needed at least one more year of Capaldi.

This speech is actually what made me stop bullying in year 11 I was having my own personal problems but kept taking it out on others but never realised how my actions would affect others including myself and never opened up. Once i did things started to get better.

@@leov91 Well he had an average time as the doctor they all had around 3 series and I think he did live up to his potentially with exception of Chris Eccleston (9th) should off been able to live up to his potential (he only had 1 series and most fans seem to forget about him for this reason)

I don't get it.

Nice pfp

@@christopherbravo1813 Changing your mind is a form of thinking, if you don't "change your mind" from time to time, it will stay the same. It will stay stupid.

@@KiraAsakura14 I don't see how it's a play on words, though. and people with constantly shifting viewpoints aren't exactly reliable.

@@christopherbravo1813 if thinking = changing your mind then saying "I will not change my mind" is like saying "I will not think"

They should show this scene (or even this entire episode) on Palestine and Israel's borders.

@@AccipiterSmith leave your liberal holy war out of my show and fandom, you apes and your wars have no place here.

That'd be awesome, Peter Capaldi wouldn't ask to leave too, cause he's the biggest dr who fan ever

agreed. It would suck if he left with Moffat

according to moffat, theres a good chance that Capaldi is staying for season 11

Moffat says he doesn't expect to be writing Capaldi's leave for Series 10 so it's very likely he'll be staying since he loves the role too much!

Capaldi is awful

galaxyedits Yeah, but you can't beat the Rings of Akhaten speech. It did fit really well with the 11th Doctor's character though.

Yeah definitely one of my favourites, I mean they all have incredible speeches, most of which fit with the doctor who said it. Whereas, I find Twelve's seem to apply to all of them as a whole

That was a beautiful moment! He is one of the best actors to play Doctor Who. What a legend!

Surfboarder4 if only it weren't made completely null and void when it doesn't work and Clara has to take over the moment lol Also, I feel like this is better because the rings of Akhaten because although it was amazing, it was basically the doctor moaning about being old lol, this has a message to be said, one that can be taken into real life, which makes it have more meaning to me.

They don't call him "One Take Pete" for nothing.