you are the reason why i might build him. i think its kinda sad that a lot of people at my store dont play enough valuable reanimation targets though

@@Zerschnitzler77 well the thing is that if your friends don't play good reanimation target, you only have to play good ones yourself! That's the way I go about it. I'm used to play against stupid combo deck that do nothing but tutoring and drawing cards, so after a moment I just decided to be sure to have as many good reanimation target in my own grave!

Teneb is cool

Why are ju Guay? You are Guay!

Same thought. Very noobish play

Well Kiki wont be able to make a copy of diluvian if he did that but then he could have had a better board state. He may have just done it just to get rid of some key spells in the graveyard.

This was one of the best games I've seen tbh. SO back and forth.

yeah i tottaly agree i cant remember why i did it that way but i do remember that i was very tired in that game

I do have a combo in my deck that uses it. LED + Underworld Breach + Wheel of Fortune can win me the game. But if I can't do that, it's still really valuable mana accel considering I have multiple ways of forcing everyone to discard their hands and even without that I'm often in top-deck mode. So more often than not, it's a 0cmc ritual.

Thank you for the compliments! I absolutely fell in love with Chainer due to all the little tech plays and interactions you can do and for a 20+ year veteran of the game like me, it's a lot of fun to pilot because unlike a lot of other combo decks, it doesn't pilot itself.

Tfw you just start the video and someone in the comments saying how the Dimir player isn't doing well.

It's so beautiful. When it appeared on the kickstarter I had to have it

@@Tehnameless1 same. He just launched a new kickstarter too# idk what to get

Bobo is super fun. I made it mostly RG monsters, but there's a lot of crossover for Bobo's pieces

It was an untested first draft. Dom recognizes some of the issues with it and will adjust.

yeah, I was banking on Joel not finishing the game there lol

Hey, congrats on the win :) What's the purpose of the 1 mana 1/1's that can sac themselves to deal 1 damage? Do you run many cards that benefit of your own death triggers like Grim Haruspex and Midnight Rider to have some cheap cycle or is there some combo with them?

No questions, take kiki out. It was a great episode until that shity end

@@ThaChedda the game had gone on for nearly an hour and a half by that point. After the game, JC had admitted he would have cast Rise of the Dark Realms on his turn which would have put an abrupt end to the game anyway. I lucked out with that Wheel of Fortune top deck.

@@TheOneAndOnlyCrawl There's a line of play where if you can bin one of the 1/1's, Kiki, and Necrotic Ooze and then use Chainer (or whatever reanimation spell you have) to bring out the Ooze from your GY. Since it has all activated abilities in GYs, it can tap itself to use Kiki's ability to make infinite hasty tapped copies of itself, then sacs using either of the 1/1's to drain the table. It's a pretty sweet and easy combo to run in Chainer, since you can just cast Buried Alive to get everything, then play the Ooze off of Chainer for the win.

@@TheOneAndOnlyCrawl the main combo in my deck is Necrotic Ooze + Kiki-Jiki (in graveyard) + Mogg Fanatic/Death Cultist (also in graveyard). I tap Necrotic Ooze and target itself with Kiki's ability it now has. Create a copy of itself. Rinse & repeat until you have a thousand copies and then sacrifice them all to kill your opponents. I do not run cards like Grim Haruspex because this is more of a dedicated combo deck than a value deck like Meren would be. So I don't have creatures die often enough for them to be worth it. You could play them in a different build of the deck though, absolutely. But I prefer just playing raw card draw spells like Night's Whisper to draw 2 immediately rather than pay 3 to HOPEFULLY get to draw a couple cards. 2 mana draw 2 or 3 mana and cross your fingers to hopefully outvalue Night's Whispers

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When someone asks me how much removal they need in their deck, I reply "Enough." there is almost never enough cheap, instant speed removal in EDH decks. Yes it's a multiplayer game and yes you get more "bang for your buck" with board wipes. But you NEED that cheap instant removal to deal with problem situations NOW.

i got it on amazon if im not mistaken

@@fairy-nova5455 Thank you, I found it there!

Dom has since updated it, sorry!

I use Chainer's ability to discard Kiki-Jiki, allowing me to cast a creature from my graveyard. However, before I do so, Chainer gets killed. So I decide to cast him from the graveyard.

Optimally, Kroxa works best as an infinite mana outlet. Chainer works best as a Necrotic Ooze combo enabler.

You can always take a look at my decklist in the description. But to answer your question, the core of my deck, the main focus, is a Necrotic Ooze combo. Necrotic Ooze in play + Kiki-Jiki and Mogg Fanatic/Death Cultist in the graveyard is an infinite combo. Tap ooze targeting itself to make a copy. Do that a thousand times, then sacrifice them all to kill your enemies.

Kiki would come in tapped, yes. But it looks like he shortcutted because he knew he was going to tutor for Conscripts, since the Conscripts entering would untap Kiki and enable the combo.

hot damn, good catch. you're right.

Lol yea but it doesn't matter.

ah, right, makes sense regarding him shortcutting

@@chucklesdangerdoom I didn't shortcut, I honestly flat out forgot it brought it back tapped. Thankfully it didn't matter. Haha. Oops!

Yes. But nobody ever does, so I take advantage of it when playing Chainer.

I had the option of tutoring Scavenging Ooze but no G after that

@@Tehnameless1 at least you have something in there :) better luck next time!

@@philllllllll I exploit that in my meta too with Emry.

Anje is a very powerful commander for a straightforward competitive deck. You combo thanks to Worldgorger Dragon and kill a table off with that. Anje allows you to rapidly dig through your deck and set that combo up. It's strong, but too linear for me to enjoy. Chainer is an enabler for a combo deck that has a lot of neat little tech plays and interactions you can play with. It certainly doesn't pilot itself (unless you draw Buried Alive) and really shines when you learn how to play it well.

@@philllllllll If I were to do a rakdos colored deck, I would most likely go with Anje just because I like straightforwardness and just appreciate value and she definitely has both, but I just have no interest in the red/black combo. Chainer definitely seemed like a gross combo enabler in that game, which I think is a big reason why people are so drawn to him, along with the reasons you gave earlier.

@@Devilish420 I honestly dislike Anje as anything other than a competitive build. The only alternative I can see to the Worldgorger Dragon combo is Living Death/Living End (with all the new red spells that allow you to cast spells from your hand, it makes playing Living End easier). If you're not playing either of those, I'd look for a different commander. She is extremely linear and doesn't do much if you're not going for either of those. The new Greven is absolutely insane, violent and explosive and I would recommend it.

@@philllllllll Honestly, I just don't like the rakdos colors because its a whole Lotta self discard and I find it too hard to balance it all out but I give props to people who make those colors work together. I'm more into causing MASSIVE life loss and trapping people in life loss loops, I have 2 decks that can do just that. My vampire tribal definitely can do it in multiple ways, and my flicker for life deck is just so damn gross getting my winning pieces fast, as well as locking people that play decks with most of their non land permanents being cmc 4 or less by flickering Lavinia of the tenth every time on my turn to stall the game long enough to get my pieces and win. XD

@@Devilish420 Greven sacrifices a lot of life to draw a LOT of cards and hit REALLY hard. A common turn can look like: Pay 20 life. Attack with Greven. Draw 20 cards. Kill a player with commander damage. Then gain back that life with Lifelink.

yeah... boring af

yeah I got lucky, our game store had like 2 and I snipped it the moment I saw it

Zealous Conscripts entering the battlefield untaps Kiki-Jiki

Flying Toaster thanks.

@@josiahneese348 you're welcome

Yes but it's irrelevant anyway as Zealous Conscripts untaps Kiki-Jiki on ETB.

"►This game was filmed at Multizone in Gatineau, QC"

Oui.

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I guess so!

Six, according to his decklist.

He didn't search because he wanted to keep the card he tutored for.

@@jaredcovington3930 That's the second time he played Nissa. I'm talking about at 15:15.

I put Kiki-Jiki in the deck because it's THE key card to like, three different combos in the deck. Whether it's Necrotic Ooze, Conspicuous Snoop or good ole Kiki+Zealous combo, he's just one of the best win cons red has even at a competitive level. I'm playing Rakdos reanimator with a commander who is both a discard outlet AND a haste enabler. Chainer was practically MADE for these combos.

A lot of it comes from experience, when you've been playing Magic as long as I have (20+ years) you get better at deckbuilding. Luckily there are a bunch of tools out there to help out as well as whole communities that would be more than happy to help you optimize your decks.

@@thatsPM Dom playing the Atris deck is a very good player and is part of my regular playgroup. His decks are usually of a similar power level to my Chainer. However, his Atris deck was just his first draft and he hadn't actually tested it yet. He noticed some problems with it that day and has since decided to make some changes to it. That explains why it seemed like he was out of his league, it was an untested first draft. Trust me, I'm more than confident he could obliterate me in a couple weeks once he's refined his deck a bit.

Ok i'm stupid the conscripts untap kiki jiki. Very nice move !

Not to mention the fact the game would have ended AGES ago if I didn't consistently deal with BORBORYGMOS throughout the game. I manage to hold him off and stop him from winning multiple turns in a row then win. Everybody: He got lucky!

I have one. It's available to my Patrons and I think I also tweeted out a link awhile back.

@@MTGMuddstah oops

Zealous Conscripts enters the battlefield. I take control of a permanent and untap it. So I take control of my own Kiki-Jiki and untap it. I then tap it to create a copy of Zealous Conscripts, which also untaps Kiki-Jiki. Rinse & Repeat until I have thousands of Zealous Conscripts, who all have Haste. Move to combat. Kill.

@@philllllllll this is why all xBR should mainboard Rakdos Charm: can exile graveyard and insurance against infinite Conscripts

@@tmakalpha1 Agreed. I run Rakdos Charm in every deck that can run it. Artifact hate is ALWAYS useful. Graveyard hate is almost always useful. And the third mode is gravy.

If I didn't have all that instant speed removal I would have lost. Yes that wheel was lucky top deck. But the only reason I even GOT to that point was because I kept dealing with the runaway threat that was BORBORYGMOS.

I was hoping I had baited out enough removal by Terminate. Bedevil caught me by surprise

@@Tehnameless1 Muahahahaha! ...I was lucky.

@@Tehnameless1 Your Bobo terrifed me. He could single-handedly deal with every single one of my combo pieces and as long as he was on the board, I couldn't win. Full stop.

I perfectly understand the sentiment but to be fair, a single counterspell or creature removal would have destroyed my hopes of winning. And any kind of graveyard hate (which is severely underplayed in EDH) would have knocked me out of the game completely.

I agreed! Great time and until that shity ending:(

The ending was fine Joel and Dom were so far behind throughout the game and then Joel lucked into a way to win quickly. The ending wasnt bad but Dom being screwed and Joel being behind was.

Then that's on you for building a deck that can't/doesn't interact with potential game-winning combos. Winning through combat damage is the bottom of the barrel for EDH. Winning through an infinite combo that is compact and consistent is top tier. Run more interaction and you won't be disappointed your deck couldn't compete then.

Charles Maillho don’t get me wrong. I am well aware that I build decks that don’t compete at a high level. I choose to play at lower tier tables so I don’t have to deal with play styles I don’t enjoy.

It's very close to the optimal version of him you could possibly run. What about it do you consider weak ass? Is it the power level? Or just a distaste for the strategy?

I like it very much :) It's a lot of fun to play.

For me it was more that he had tutors and infinites, which seemed on a higher level than what the rest of the table was playing.

@@loganl8440 You're not wrong about the power levels not being equal at the table, but I lose most of the games I play with my Chainer and Dom's deck usually is much MUCH stronger than what you saw in that video.

@@philllllllll Hey man, you do you. You didn't do anything wrong. I'm sure the game was fun to play, but that kind of dynamic just isn't very interesting to watch (for me).

@@loganl8440 That's fine and I understand that. Some games just end anticlimactically. It happens. If I hadn't combo'd out on my turn game would have ended on my opponent's turn with a Rise of the Dark Realms. It's about the journey, not the destination. Game was fun to play up to that point.