ATSC 3 DRM Update: Let's Navigate the Zinwell Player's Arduous Update Process

Рет қаралды 14,180

Күн бұрын

See my prior Zinwell videos: • ATSC 3 DRM Update: Let... - ATSC 3 DRM brings with it frequent updates and a ton of complexity for people least able to deal with complicated technology. The Zinwell player we reviewed a few weeks ago received an update that they say simplifies its update process. Let's take a look.
Links:
IR Blaster: • Blast IR Remotes throu...
The Antenna Man's Video on OTA 4k: • Video
FCC Petition Instructions: lon.tv/fccinstructions
VIDEO INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
02:22 - Update Process
04:28 - Update Result
05:28 - Verifying Update
06:42 - New Update Process
07:55 - Conclusion
Visit my Blog! blog.lon.tv
Subscribe to my email lists!
Weekly Breakdown of Posted Videos: - lon.tv/email
Daily Email From My Blog Posts! lon.tv/digest
See my second channel for supplementary content : lon.tv/extras
Follow me on Amazon too! lon.tv/amazonshop
Join the Facebook group to connect with me and other viewers!
lon.tv/facebookgroup
Visit the Lon.TV store to purchase some of my previously reviewed items! lon.tv/store
Read more about my transparency and disclaimers: lon.tv/disclosures
Want to chat with other fans of the channel? Visit our Facebook Group! lon.tv/facebookgroup, our Discord: lon.tv/discord and our Telegram channel at lon.tv/telegram !
Want to help the channel? Start a Member subscription or give a one time tip!
lon.tv/support
or contribute via Venmo!
lon@lon.tv
Follow me on Facebook!
/ lonreviewstech
Follow me on Twitter!
/ lonseidman
Catch my longer interviews and wrap-ups in audio form on my podcast!
lon.tv/itunes
lon.tv/stitcher
or the feed at lon.tv/podcast/feed.xml
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

Пікірлер: 69

@bizzfo 3 ай бұрын

The fact that they didn’t post your review is reason enough not to buy it.

@leek4994 3 ай бұрын

Right. Not only do we have the FCC giving 24/7 NextGenTV encryption the green light.. now we have to trust these droid clone box manufacturers because TV companies are pulling NextGenTV certification out of their products due to the bullshit. Hard pass.

@charlesdoesmore5488 3 ай бұрын

I don't think any company would wanna post negative reviews anyways.

@bizzfo 3 ай бұрын

@@charlesdoesmore5488 many allow all reviews, good and bad.

@igeekone 3 ай бұрын

Exactly, any company showing just 5 star reviews is always a red flag.

@petermschenk 3 ай бұрын

Interesting video. In a country where consumers love convenience and ease of use of any product, this much required effort to watch local broadcast is absolutely ridiculous. Also, as you commented, interesting to see an elderly person do all this.

@dennisl.7613 3 ай бұрын

That scream you hear is my 90 year old grandmother.

@DavidErato 3 ай бұрын

Another chapter in Lon’s ATSC 3 Saga!

@brmacd 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comprehensive review. I agree that the update process is a little complicated, probably needlessly so, but it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of anybody able to follow directions. (I think it's a little unfair to use the 90-year-old grandmother as the test case in today's world!). To balance things out a little, I just want to say that I love this thing. The ATSC 3.0 tuner works great for me. I'm in CT too, and have struggled with unreliable reception from all the major channels (3, 30, 61, 8), varying from sporadic pixellation to no picture at all. But since getting this box, all signals have been rock solid. It's been worth every penny to me. There may well be cheaper or simpler ways to achieve the same result, but for me at least the benefits of ATSC 3.0 are real and this little box is just the thing.

@LonSeidman 3 ай бұрын

And this is what kills me about the new standard. The benefits are real but they negate all of them by adding restrictive DRM that complicates things for the end user.

@brmacd 3 ай бұрын

@@LonSeidmanI can't disagree. I just don't want the benefits to get lost in all the surrounding confusion.

@bigraysballcards 3 ай бұрын

Great review and explanation LON. 👍

@Sega_is_all_i_cd 3 ай бұрын

Another Great Video Lon! Thank you for the share!

@fatrat6820005 3 ай бұрын

It’s about money,plan and simple! They don’t need DRM

@AAa-qd8hb 3 ай бұрын

Boycott Future DRM ATSC 3.0 DVR restrictions could Include No recording allowed, No DVR controls, No skipping TV Ads, Auto delete after time, only play on same device, No HDMI recording. IMO.

@davidchristensen6908 3 ай бұрын

Thumbs up for your channel, comment to help you but I won’t be buying this product. Thank you for all your time and videos. Looking forward to the next launch, I watch you there too

@davidjernigan8161 3 ай бұрын

It seems that by the time I get nextgen TV in my location I will be the actual 2000 year old man.

@AAa-qd8hb 3 ай бұрын

Boycott DRM 3.0 TV. New "Secure DVR" ATSC 3.0 TV DRM rules say (severe TV recordings restrictions) go into effect after Simulcast testing is over and ATSC 1.0 TV is turned off = no more TV recordings. IMO.

@ericB3444 3 ай бұрын

This should’ve been simple. All television over the air is free, and they could improve their profit off of the more direct ads only.

@n1kkri 3 ай бұрын

I live in the Northwest of RI. My TV antenna is on my 60 foot Ham tower and I can get channel 30 out of Hartford.

@TheMastersAugusta 3 ай бұрын

Hey Lon I thought I would give you an update on this. I just ordered 2 of them after watching this video & Channel Master sent me them with the updated software yesterday.. so I went to go follow your instructions and on both of them the software was updated. I did have a lot of trouble hardwiring it into my router, sound was off, video in slow motion... could have been my router or wire. So, I set it up without the internet on 1 & WI FI with the other, no issues. However, I am picking all the Boston ATSC 1.0 & no Nextgen 3.0. channels. I'm hearing Boston turned off the 3.0 ATSC for whatever reason but I'm not 100% sure. I live in Providence RI but am about about 40 miles to the Boston channel towers that are really not in Boston, more like Norwood. So I think I'm going to keep them.

@XMguy 3 ай бұрын

Nice signal levels. Mine is usually -70dBm and 18dB respectively. I’m 68 miles away, tropo signals.

@mB-hv7pc 3 ай бұрын

So in fact you will always need internet-to keep box updated ..if you keep internet disconnected will box continue to work,or will it stop DRM decode without updated certificates?

@joe10117 3 ай бұрын

can we see a more update on adth zapper box please important to know

@XMguy 3 ай бұрын

I have the Zinwell and had the ADTH. I gave away the ADTH for its lack of tuner sensitivity. Still have the Zinwell. Sadly the Zapperbox is a bit too rich for my blood. Already owning 3 HDHomeRun 3.0 boxes.

@buhidef 3 ай бұрын

Just tried ZapperBox. Don't bother... just as bad as ADTH for tuner sensitivity. Poor. Will wait for HDHomeRun Flex to get proper DRM support.

@XMguy 3 ай бұрын

@@buhidef Really? I figured for its price it would be on par with the HDHomerun and Zinwell. I’m in a deep fringe area. It doesn’t matter what the broadcasters use, if I can’t receive it.

@robertmason7013 3 ай бұрын

How many miles away are you from the atsc towers.how high is your antenna.

@Ockv74 3 ай бұрын

❤❤❤

@DaveNLR2 3 ай бұрын

? Lon did you notice Samsungs 2024 TVs with the exception of the 8K model, has dropped ATSC 3.0?

@TheBigFoot4 3 ай бұрын

Do you have any sources for Kodi info? I took a raspberry Pi and put Kodi on it several years ago because local stations were going off air while contract negotiations were going on with their parents networks. I know my current tuner dongos will need to be replaced. I am wondering if there is code update to allow Kodi to do decryption.

@rzhang86 3 ай бұрын

Bottom line, do you recommend buying this Zinwell tuner?

@AAa-qd8hb 3 ай бұрын

The update for DRM encrypted NEXTGEN-TV tuner boxes is just too complicated. I will stay on simple old school ATSC 1.0 TV with no DRM Encryption and Free unlimited DVR recordings that play everywhere.

@n1kkri 3 ай бұрын

No way the average person is going to go through that. It should be nothing more than download and click, your done. Just like a android cell phone installs an app or updates.

@kumarp3074 3 ай бұрын

I think I'm just gonna teach my 90 year old grandmother how to pirate content. Seems a lot easier.

@impossiblescissors 3 ай бұрын

ATSC 3 is only going to happen if the TV manufacturers start putting it in all their products. If that doesn't happen, I can definitely see broadcasters adopting new codecs over the ATSC 1 spec that most smart TVs can display.

@Jean0987654321 3 ай бұрын

Too expensive to be worth it. Hopefully, the FCC steps in and abolish DRM or end this ATSC 3 charade

@polarvortex6601 3 ай бұрын

the FCC doesnt give a shit

@charlietim3059 3 ай бұрын

Does anyone know if you can now record DRM channels with this new update

@LonSeidman 3 ай бұрын

Negative

@pbartkus 3 ай бұрын

BTW, I went to file a comment on the FCC site and in the Proceedings Search 16-142 returned "No Matches Found." 😞

@LonSeidman 3 ай бұрын

Don't hit enter - make sure any ad blockers are off and you'll see a clickable option.

@scottct1 3 ай бұрын

Looks like it works on WFSB, how did WTIC do?

@LonSeidman 3 ай бұрын

WTIC is not yet encrypted

@scottct1 3 ай бұрын

@@LonSeidman Whoops sorry long day... I meant WVIT.

@LonSeidman 3 ай бұрын

@@scottct1 both are still working but initially required an Internet connection

@jmr 3 ай бұрын

If you like to complain this is the box to buy! 😂

@robertmason7013 3 ай бұрын

I will stick with my adth receiver it cost a lot less and i can record with it.

@timmoss6372 21 күн бұрын

Do you need the internet to update

@LonSeidman 21 күн бұрын

It is possible to download an update and connect through the usb I think…

@ZombieRyushu 3 ай бұрын

It's not. This is the end of accessible Broadcast TV.

@mabbaticchio 3 ай бұрын

I still can't get over how difficult it is t o watch TV these days. It's live the networks don;t want anyone to watch it. I would think that the more viewers, the more advertising dollars. The funny thing is that there is nothing worth watching anyway.

@purplesprigs 3 ай бұрын

They get most of their money from re-broadcast fees (cable/streaming). They DO NOT want you to watch for free with an antenna.

@christophervanzetta 3 ай бұрын

TV died over a decade ago. Not sure why people even bother with it anymore

@danield4559 Ай бұрын

@@christophervanzettaFacts.

@joe10117 3 ай бұрын

I d rather have zapperbox or ADTH TUNER

@robertgaines-tulsa 3 ай бұрын

You still have to initially download the encryption key. It would be better to just broadcast the key over the air. It would be no different that storing the key on a DVD or Blu-ray. Does any of this make the broadcast more secure? No. Funny thing is that I thought they were going to somehow make it so a consumer box could send back data to the TV station over the air. They couldn't, so now you have to bring your own Internet. If they want want to show premium content, they should just stream it over the Internet rather than destroy our public airwaves for it. That could also be what they want to do. Get rid of the competition.

@ThomasGrillo 3 ай бұрын

Wow! All that dog and pony act we have to go through to update the device is going to kill the markets for ATSC3.0.

@XMguy 3 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie. The update process is a nightmare. Made better by the update. I just worry they’ll pull the ability for me to side-load apps.

@OledBurnInKing 3 ай бұрын

I rather get free channels with kodi than have any form of drm since drm will ruin everything.

@kidhickey1659 3 ай бұрын

To me ATSC 3.0 almost seems like a Scam , to try to get consumers back to Cable and Satellite , so they can get that extra charge , that local channels and maybe networks get from those companies , so many people are leaving those companies , because of the high cost . how this is being done is with the encoding of the over air way channels , that makes it all so complicated .