Attarsiya of Ahhiya - First Mycenaean Warlord who fought the Hittites (1400 BC)

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6 ай бұрын

By 1400 BCE, both Mycenaeans and Hittites were attempting to expand into western Asia Minor. Inevitably, this led to conflict and the earliest recorded battles between the two powers. Here, we record the appearance an early Mycenaean warlord known to the Hittites as Attarsiya of Ahhiya.
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@spinspir1741 6 ай бұрын

Attrasiya as the Hittites call and recorded the name of that man sounds a lot like the Mycenean King Atreus, father of Agamemnon and Menelaus that most are familiar with from the Iliad and the Homeric Epics. So interested to see where that goes

@mercianthane2503 6 ай бұрын

Still hoping for archeologist to find more Linear B tablets to shed light upon this murky period of Greek history.

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

100%! We need some names!

@rovanderby759 6 ай бұрын

@@WanaxTV finding some authentic early greek names would be great indeed! This name Attarsiya looks like it might be a hittite version of the name Atreus

@LuisAldamiz 6 ай бұрын

Much more info hides in the Hittite tablets, which are a huge amount, but lay undeciphered for lack of Hittitologists. Greeks didn't write much until 800 years later.

@Linduine 5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, as I recall from the researchers, the Achaeans had a tendency to throw away their tablets after a while. Only the library in Pylos was used as a real database.

@StMiBll 6 ай бұрын

I can only imagine what it would be like to see what would have been epic battles between Mycenaeans and Hittites.

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

True! They evidently respected each other’s military prowess. ⚔️

@Seventh7Art 6 ай бұрын

The Battle of Megiddo (fought in the 15th century BC) was fought between Egyptian forces under the command of Pharaoh Thutmose III and a large rebellious coalition of Canaanite vassal states led by the king of Kadesh. It is the first battle to have been recorded in what is accepted as relatively reliable detail. Date: April 16, 1457 BC. Around 50 years later, Greeks and Hittites clashed...

@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 6 ай бұрын

His story would make for an incredible television series. If done faithfully and passionately. Think Vikings but it's the Bronze Age and the characters aren't brainless bricks half the time. Or better yet, think Rome or Black Sails, but again it's the Bronze Age. 🏴‍☠🏴‍☠🏴‍☠🏴‍☠

@LuisAldamiz 6 ай бұрын

The Greeks were "the first Vikings", the first Indoeuropeans specialized on seafaring (since very early on), piracy, great heathen armies ("sea peoples", main wave, Trojan War), slave raids, long distance explorations (all the way to Iberia in the Bronze Age itself), etc. They just enjoyed a milder climate.

@SuperCulverin 6 ай бұрын

@LuisAldamiz The Aegean proto-Greeks were the first _to leave a historical record._ But not necessarily _the_ first. The Yamnaya culture preceded them, living between the Southern Bug, Dniester, and Ural rivers of Europe an Asia. They all traveled waterways, engaged in raiding and trading, and the genetic evidence would suggest they took captured women as slaves. War never changes.

@LuisAldamiz 6 ай бұрын

@@SuperCulverin - Nope, they were NOT the first to leave an historical record. Learn HISTORY, please.

@sprc155 6 ай бұрын

We need a video game set at this era

@odysseus5607 6 ай бұрын

Amazing video! It is incredible that a seemingly unimportant vassal like Madduwatta managed to leverage his position between the Hittites, the Arzawans and the Achaeans to that extent.

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

True. He was evidently a very capable political player.

@pseudomonas03 6 ай бұрын

One of the first known great Greek generals in History!!!

@zurgesmiecal 6 ай бұрын

he wasn't greek

@pseudomonas03 6 ай бұрын

@@zurgesmiecal Since he was Achean, Achean is one of the main ancient Greek tribes, so yes he was Greek.

@zurgesmiecal 6 ай бұрын

Greece didn't exist until the 19th century duuuuuuh@@pseudomonas03

@wankawanka3053 5 ай бұрын

@@zurgesmiecal cope some more lol

@zurgesmiecal 5 ай бұрын

you hate facts?@@wankawanka3053

@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 6 ай бұрын

I've waited since the beginning for this one! ❤❤❤🧿🧿🧿

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

I hope it's worth it!

@thomasmalacky7864 6 ай бұрын

Finally someone who doesn't just gloss over the detail we know of in the bronze age and copper age.

@CuriousInquiror 20 сағат бұрын

this was amazing! i especially love the music in the opening scene, do you know where to find a full-length version?

@Rithymna 6 ай бұрын

Great video! So much to be told about this era!

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

True! Thank you my friend!

@tasoskoyt 6 ай бұрын

Attarsiya was the Hittite word for Atreus Ατρέας in Greek father of Agamemnon or Atreides.According to an alternative view presented by Hittitologist Albrecht Goetze, Attarsiya might possibly be a possessive adjective, meaning "belonging to Atreus" (Atreides), which was a typical Homeric term to refer to the sons of Atreus, Agamemnon and Menelaus, throughout the Iliad.The house of Atreus was cursed by the gods, condemned to murder one another throughout history.

@MarcusAgrippa390 6 ай бұрын

I'm fascinated by the Hittites. But they aren't given much attention compared to other bronze age peoples. Of course with the capital of Hatusa and other Hittite cities being almost completely obliterated the archeological findings are somewhat rare.

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Well, you are lucky! 🍀 Because we are working a big Hittite Empire series!

@Kurzhantelrudern 10 күн бұрын

Faszinating Topic, keep up the Great Work

@Insectoid_ 6 ай бұрын

Great content. Thanks 😊for

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@JeshuaZBG 6 ай бұрын

Fan of the mycenean-hittite contacts

@DistantLights Ай бұрын

such great videos you have

@spacebunny4335 6 ай бұрын

Another great video.

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate it!

@ABCshake 6 ай бұрын

What do you think of the possible connection between the historical Attarsiya and Atreus in greek mythology?

@LuisAldamiz 6 ай бұрын

... but Attarsya is from the 15th-14th century BCE (around 1400, Arnuwanda I ruled c. 1390-80 BCE), while the Mycenaean Atreus should be from the 13th century rather, late 14th century at best. So they should not be the same person even if it is the same name and maybe they could be relatives.

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

I think that it’s possible that Attarsiya’s original name in Greek could’ve been something like Atreus, or some similar name. However, like Luis said, Attarsiya lived c. 1400 BC, and king Atreus of Mycenae would’ve been placed to 13th century. Also, it doesn’t look like Attarsiya was the actual king of Mycenae, but rather military commander assigned to Asia Minor or Aegean sea. I don’t think they were the same person, although they could’ve had the same name. It’s also theoretically possible that king Atreus is actually a vague mythical memory of Attarisya. I guess we can only speculate. 👌🏻

@user-gc9gl2fn3u 3 ай бұрын

I think it is possible that Attarsiya is the same name as Atreus, but not the same person who is mentioned in the Iliad. Maybe it was a common name at the time or just a coinsidence

@Sanchuniathon384 Ай бұрын

@@WanaxTV Hey, you exclude one very plausible possibility. Since we have Martin West and Goetze suggesting Attarsiya being a possessive, and linking them to the *Atresias, *Atersias or *Atarsias, it could very well be that there were many preceding Kings or warlords with the name Atreus, that preceded King Atreus of Mycenae. Later as the stories developed, the various exploits were flatted into one mythical character.

@WanaxTV Ай бұрын

@@Sanchuniathon384 Good observation. Very possible 👍🏻

@sevoo1579 6 ай бұрын

Awesome

@klausbrinck2137 6 ай бұрын

I hope, it is clear, that Manduata was on the mycenean side all the time. The mycenean diplomat/chieftain Attarsiya has staged his rumble with Manduata, in order to lure the western hittite army into an ambush... A hell of a plan !!! So, the Hittites gradually lost the control over their western lands...

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Attarsiya really seems to have outplayed the Hittites.

@herculianthegreat 6 ай бұрын

Amazing

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Appreciate it Theseus!

@JonathanRivera-dj6mm 5 ай бұрын

Greetings from Mexico! As a History student, The Mycenaean civilization of Greece is very mysterious and was probably the basis for most of Greek myths and Homeric poetry! When are you going to do a video about the Olmec civilization?

@laurentiupacioglu6555 6 ай бұрын

Briliant work as usual!!! you deserve more credit because you do yourself all the plot and animation !!! unfortunately the fact that you post so rare keeps your likes down!!! i hope you increase in ratings..... Can i give you an advice? Presenting parts of age of bronze without connection is not so good!!! If you want to create a brand try to create a story about the whole region: the megalitic kingdoms of central and western europe, the nuragic civilisation, the pirate kingdoms of ilirians, the micenians, egypt and so on...try to create a fictive person that will travel through this world and tell the story...in the style of Mika Waatari...if you will read his novels you will see that he is the best history teller of the bronze age....start with the beggining and continue like a story,,,that will create followers... you are a great sory teller anyway!!! wishing you a merry xmass and a propserous and happy new year!!!waiting for your new stories my friend!!

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much. My last project on the Philistines took so much time to make, which is why there were basically no videos in November. There will be one more video on Dec 31st, which will come down to 3 videos this month. It is as frequent as I can be with my time availability. The plan for January is to do 2 (possibly 3) videos, 10-15 shorts and a poll/quiz on almost daily basis. Focus will stay on the Bronze Age. If you have any suggestions/ideas, feel free to share! ✅ Happy Holidays! 🎄

@laurentiupacioglu6555 6 ай бұрын

@@WanaxTV i know that is why i think you should make shorter version and posted more often....make it like a series..is just a suggestion..i know how much hard work is behind what you do...merry xmass!!!

@abukharan5774 4 ай бұрын

Nice

@williambranch4283 6 ай бұрын

Seems like Bellerophon

@beepboop204 6 ай бұрын

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

@ecurewitz 6 ай бұрын

Were there any characters in Greek mythology based on Attarsiya?

@odysseasntalias5950 6 ай бұрын

I can't tell much about mythology but if Attarsiya was ATREUS a historically documented for his existence person and father of Agamemnon and menelaos the story of his generation is one of the two basic themes of ancient greek tragedy. The two main themes of tragedies were the "thebean circle" (Oedipus, Antigone etc) and most important the "Atreides circle" with tragedies such as Ifigenieia, Horestes , Agamemnon and many others unfortunately not all completely saved untill today.

@ecurewitz 6 ай бұрын

@@odysseasntalias5950 thanks

@Seventh7Art 6 ай бұрын

Mycenaeans were Greeks, period. Linear B writing script has been proven to represent Archaic Greek, the oldest version of the Greek language. Having said that, Attarsiya of Ahhiya does not sound at all like a Greek name. Obviously the historical record comes from Hittite accounts, therefore the name is a Hittite corrupted version of the Greek name. Ahhiya probably derives from Aheos = Greek tribal name or else it would have to be related to Ahaia which is a region that includes modern day Rio and Patras. Attarsiya is a mystery though.... Maybe it derives from Attarsios, or some name that sounds like that.

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Considering that Ephesos is rendered "Apasa", and Miletos as "Milawanda" and "Milawata" in Hittite, "Attarsiya" could've come from so many different names. It's almost impossible to guess. "Ahhiya" definitenly comes from Achaia (Achaea). It was spelled A-ka-wi-ja (𐀀-𐀏-𐀹-𐀊) in the original Mycenaean Linear B. However, reportedly Bronze Age Achaea was not a small region in northern Peloponnese, but referred to the whole realm controlled by the Achaean (Mycenaean) king. Original native Achaean territories during Bronze Age were said to be Argolis and Laconia.

@realmixalisx8534 6 ай бұрын

Attarsiya is for ΑΤΡΕΙΔΗΣ Atreidas, the father of king Agamemnon.

@dimitri1072 6 ай бұрын

The father (or grandfather through Pleisthenes) of Agamemnon was called Atreus and was a son of Pelops (of Asian descent, hence the possible connections to Asia?). Atreides means exactly that: descendant of Atreus

@stucco76 6 ай бұрын

Exactly my friend..Grammic B words are exsctly same with ancient and modern greeks..nothing else was found at first...nothing..do this guy who post every fantasy senario has,to tell us something historical??

@stucco76 6 ай бұрын

@@dimitri1072what are you talking about??All greek names have etymology,mean exactly sometjing....whats the etymology in Hittites??if such thing ever existed at first..Asia was greek colony..read where Odysseus grandfather was living...before Trojan war..and Troy was ARKADIAN COLONY!!!!

@Shimra8888 6 ай бұрын

Were Mycenaeans an Indo-European people or native to Europe?

@chrisnewbury3793 6 ай бұрын

Indo-Europeans are native to Europe despite the bullshit being peddled in universities at the moment.

@Axxx3l 6 ай бұрын

@@chrisnewbury3793what is being peddled??

@WanaxTV 6 ай бұрын

Achaeans were native to Argolis and Laconia in Peloponnese. They were reportedly the main Mycenaean-era tribe and Mycenaean-Greek speakers.

@chrisnewbury3793 6 ай бұрын

@@Axxx3l that everything "Indo-European" comes from central Asia.

@Ian-yf7uf 6 ай бұрын

Mycenaeans were a Indo European people and likely arrived from Anatolia somewhere in 1700 BC - but just like in the Iliad, Greece was a mixture of tribes and not just Indo European tribes. A lot of physical / material evidence points to Armenia as the homeland of Greek Indo Europeans according to Robert Drews, but the evidence is so varied I habe no idea what's truly correct