I agree the Minoans most likely weren't pacifists, a civilization as prosperous as they were would *have* to have a good warrior culture to protect it, as there would've been much interest from outsiders to invade. As to whether they were highly militaristic we don't know. But to quickly refute those who claim "there's no depictions of war", lack of depictions of war in artwork is not always evidence they weren't. It could simply mean that being highly religious, all art depictions were of spiritual nature and not of a documentation matter.

Αγαπητοί συνάδελφοι Ιστορικοί κάνετε ένα τεράστιο λάθος στις εκτιμήσεις σας. Αγνοείτε τούς Μινύες τού Ορχομενού στους οποίους οι Θήβες ήσαν φόρου υποτελείς μέχρι τα μέσα του 13 ου αιώνα π.Χ. όταν τούς οδήγησε σε νίκη ο Ηρακλής τής Αλκμήνης. Η κυρίαρχη πόλη στην Ελλάδα από το 3.000 π.Χ. μέχρι τότε ήταν ο Ορχομενός.

Thanks Odysseus! Was thinking of doing complete mythology of Thebes, from Ogyges to Trojan war. We will see.

@@WanaxTV Can't wait!

@@WanaxTV the most mysterious and wonderful first Greek race with amazing works were the MYNIES make a video about it

True! Glad you enjoyed it!

@@WanaxTV Phoenician is a writing system. Phoenician and cuneiform are writing systems like exactly the linear scripts I II in Greece It does NOT count as an ALPHABET in the classic scientific sense of the term because it has an incomplete structure. it does not separate letter-phoneme but syllables

It is likely that whoever destroyed Thebes did not have an ability to conquer & govern, but rather destroyed it on their way to somewhere else. Thebes survived because while the citadel was destroyed, not all inhabitants (especially around Thebes) were completely annihilated, apparently. The city continued to be somewhat inhabited allowing it to be slowly rebuilt.

@@WanaxTV Perhaps its location could also be another reason of why Thebes was rebuild? Comparing it to Mycenae, Thebes is basically in a good position.

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@@WanaxTV Cadmus was the son of Agenor, king of Argos who founded Phoenicia so it is in Greek mythology

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The answer is simple. Thebes in Egypt was named by the ancient Greeks. The Egyptians did not call it Thebes.

Yes the Egyptian name was something like Taba which meant "The sanctuary" and the Greek visitors thought this sounded a bit like the name of a Greek city they were familiar with though there are many Greek myths and legends that associate the foundations of Greek cities with Egyptian visitors like Cadmus and others. Zeus is supposed to have kidnapped Io and somehow she was associated with the Egyptian goddess Isis.Argos is supposed to have very strong Egyptian connections.@@Seventh7Art

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Yes! You can take a tour of the Cadmean citadel and visit Thebes museum. A portion of it is the Mycenaean palace.

@@WanaxTV thanks for the info. I've been fascinated my Mycenaean history since I was 12. Perhaps we can meet when I visit Greece.

Good point. The main focus of was just the Mycenaean historical record and archaeology. I do plan to make a separate video (or series) on Theban mythology. It is very rich!

@@WanaxTVOK, then in future, I won´t spoiler... If you understand german, watch Michael Köhlmeier´s "Sagen der Antike", he´s a great narrator. 80 episodes á 12-13 minutes.

Good question. I’m doubtful they did. Dorians themselves preserved many Mycenaean traditions and were loosely related to the Achaeans. The emergence of Dorians as ruling class in Peloponnese is very vague when it comes to comes to history. Spartan king Cleomenes I famously said “I am no Dorian, but an Achaean”.

@@WanaxTV then why did the greeks seem to have basically been magically brain-washed into having no idea there was a forogotten script before the greek characters, yet the memory of other bronze age stories remained?

@@Massimo2.0-zj1qy Probably due to lack of scribes and very low percentages of literacy in general during Mycenaean Greece. Chances are that ordinary population even during the Mycenaean times had very low knowledge of Linear B, instead having strong oral tradition. Similar things happened in some other cultures in different time periods, where only a tiny amount of people in the administration knew how to write and kept records just for accounting and few inscribed laws. When the state was conquered, nobody was literate. However, to add to your question, Spartans did report to finding “ancient bronze tablets” in Boeotia, but they had no idea which language was inscribed on it and they couldn’t read it. They called those letters “ancient” and “barbarian”. Spartan king then sent them to Egypt to be deciphered, apparently with no success. They more than likely encountered Linear B, but had no idea what it was.

@@WanaxTV maybe the only people to survive the collapse in Greece were the ones who did not know about linear B?

@@WanaxTV In my humble ignorance, I don't think the dorians preserved Mycenaean traditions. Could they be the ones responsible for the sudden change of greek artstyle and armor during the archaic period? Also, why did all of Greece during the dark ages simultaneously decide that wearing boar tusked helmets and having long hair was no longer trendy?

Tiny bit of ancestry.

It’s not impossible, although I doubt that king of Thebes ever had power over major Peloponnesian citadels or Crete. Mycenae and Pylos for example were both significantly bigger than Thebes, with Mycenae and Tiryns both being heavily fortified & held control over Isthmus of Corinth. It is unknown whether Thebes was actually independent from Peloponnese. If not, then references to “Wanax” in Thebes may had been references to Wanax of Mycenae who was above any local king. Another possibility is that any ruler of a major palace center would’ve been called a “King of Ahhiyawa” simply because he was a king from the country of “Ahhiyawa” in a geographical sense. Just a few theories to think about.

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Thanks for the correction. ☑️

There are still remains of the major Mycenaean era buildings within the citadel, several cemeteries including a large chamber tomb (in the nearby hill), remains of wealthy residences and several workshops. Location of all of the 7 gates is unknown. A lot of Classical era buildings were built over Bronze Age remnants, so they can’t be really fully excavated.

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So according to linguistics we can see the change within the Phoenician alphabet to the Greek alphabet, so Phoenicians, went and colonized a large portion of the mediterranean from Espana to Carthage even parts of Greece. the other thing I would like to point out is carbon dating and specifically carbon 14, carbon dating is already a hot topic within the archaeological community there’s lots of evidence to show that many times it doesn’t work that’s not to say it can’t be used at all, but it Has to be used in very specific situations even the guy who came up with it said it has some major flaws. So although it can be used, it can’t be used for everything in this case I don’t think it can be used because we can look at the linguistics of the Phoenician, as well as the Greek alphabet as well as other influencing alphabets on the Phoenician language it shows that yes Phoenician did influenced Greek. The letter A will be my example. now within the Phoenician language the letter A actually stems from the Hebrew which is really weird in my opinion specifically the letter ‘alep within Proto, Hebrew the Phoenicians, adopted that letter and much of the proto Hebrew alphabet actually influenced Phoenician alphabet the Greeks took the Phoenician letter and basically flipped it on its side creating alpha later it influenced the Romans so basically all of the Latin and acrylic, alphabet. And this isn’t just one letter this is much of the Phoenician and Greek alphabet. The fact of the matter is that the carbon dating is simply flawed, and the actual archaeological linguistic evidence points to the fact Phoenician did, in fact create the Greek alphabet. Also, I don’t know if it’s just me, but the fact Proto, Hebrew influence the Phoenicians, and basically all of the modern “Roman culture” is absolutely mind blowing to me. the people in the place in the Middle East that is geographically the worst defensive place without oil and they have been consistently persecuted throughout history for thousands of years somehow influenced basically all of the linguistic and religious understanding within eastern and western “Roman cultures” and even outside of that understanding of cultural context.

The greeks had linear B, but then lost it and then a period of iliteracy folowed until they adopted phoenician Script...why even say "alphabet" does alfa or beta mean anything in Greek? No, it comes from semitic "Alif" meaning an ox (it looked like an ox head) and bayt, meaning house...than gimmel and dalit meaning camel and door, which became gama and delta...phoenician is not related to Greek, but thats not necessary when all you want is to use the phonetics (just like you could perfectly use Arabic script to write modern Greek, if you wanted to) these letters are preserved nowadays in Hebrew which was almost identical to phoenician...i dont think its a shame to adopt good ideas, and this guy and all of us are in this channel as admirers of Greek history

What part of his presentation would you call “misinformation”? These are frankly some of the best videos concerning Mycenaean Greece ever produced.

Zeus and Io were the ancestors of Cadmos

@@user-cc8ii9os1e Thank you.

You know you and your kindred don't belong there. That was built by black Africans