preciate that homie

***** no doubt

Apogee Symphony IS an audio interface. Not that "people refer to it as" but that is exactly what it is. - Apogee Support Team

They are important. Everything in my studio is connected to power conditioner and UPS to prevent surges. I've had a surge take down a piece of gear before, I won't let that happen again

@@TheAudioCzar wow. That's sad...I see most studios using ferman power conditioner....it's seems a good buy but I find the connectors at the back very strange. I don't know any gear with those kind of plugs...how do I connect gear to the ferman or do you recommend something else?

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Use spidf/aes out of the burl into the spidf in on the apollo.

@@TheAudioCzar Thank you bro

Gavin Jack same thing I need to know

Just connect the output of the BAE to the A/D converter. The converter will XLR or TRS line level connection

audioczarnet thank you

The dangerous would connect to the Apollo by spidf/AES cable. Then when you select spidf input and your daw, those inputs would be the dangerous

I'm actually doing a video on clocking next

Email me. czar @ audioczar.net

you always need an interface

Never used it before.

Interfaces have converters In them, converters mostly work standalone or connected to a interface

sum out from the 2bus would go to the pure2 in. You would need a AES to spidf cable to go to your interface if your interface does not gave AES.

The Neve would take you a lot further then new A/D D/A converter.

@@TheAudioCzar thanks!

@@TheAudioCzar if you could get one piece of hardware? Go the preamp or compressor MB? One piece to complement you plugins?

Thanks I ended up getting the preamp silver bullet and I got a Clarrett 8pre do you think it's worth upgrading to a Rosetta 800 or there would not be much difference with the Clarrett better to get something else? Thinking Rosetta800? Zulu? or drawmer 1978 bus comp?

You can use all 32 channels on the orion, however to use the spidf or adat you have to sacrifice those channels from the physical I/O. So for me when I am connected with the Pure2 by spidf, which is two channels, I lose 2 channels from my physical 32. If I was use adat (8 channels) on the Orion 32 I would lose 8 channels from Orion 32 physical I/O.

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I''ve never mixed and mastered on headphones so I'm not sure. I've heard a lot people say they like the Lynx, haven't heard anything about the SPL

@@TheAudioCzar thank you

I use to pure 2 for mixing and mastering. The reason I'm using two converters is because I mix using analog summing. Doing this I need a separate D/A converter to monitor whats being recorded back in the DAW. If I was mixing in the box then Orion would be all I would need.

Thanks, bro. You should then do a video on summing, another tricky device

oops you already have

I've got one, search youtube for How to set up Analog Summing in Presonus Studio One

the pure 2 is going into the Orion as digital, for A/D. This means its stays digital to the computer, no further conversion is happening

@@TheAudioCzar coz i was thinking of creating the analog loop and spidf out of orion into pure but then pure to computer by usb. Wouldnt that be better? Or wont matter after the convertion is done? Thx bro.

Great question. This is the number one question for people like us and it’s hard finding this answer. Did you ever find out or what did you end up purchasing and do you still love it after a year

@@ericmcconkey6201 i got an interface, but i have since read around it. the interface has no effect on the sound as it only serves as a connection to the computer. the coverter is what has effect on the sound. But the interface does introduce latency and so for such duties, you probably need something from rme. but the sonic gain is rather minimal given interfaces have come a long way and so it makes more sense to just go for a good interface

I've never compared the two to say for sure

@@TheAudioCzar ok

+Mostafa Negm you can get a pure 2 and connect it to the RME. You don't have to connect the pure 2 to your computer unless you want to utilize the software control. To use the great river pre (great pre BTW) you can connect it to the XLR in on the pure 2, them spidf to RME. In your DAW select spidf input for that channel.

audioczarnet so if i am using the rme inputs and then connecting it to the pure 2 , this way i am bypassing the DA only of the rme ? Or will i be bypassing both AD and DA?

***** if you use the RME inputs and then monitor the output from the pure 2 connected by spidf then your using the D/A from the pure 2 and the A/D of RME. I wouldn'tsay your bypassing the D/A of RME, because technically if your using the spidf out your just choosing note use the RME D/A. To use the pure 2 for A/D then you would need plug into the pure 2

so please let me know if i got this right .. a chain could be like .. Synths>Rme inputs>spidf out rme>spidf in pure2> monitors . and if i want to use the mic directly into the pure 2 to benefit from the high end AD conversion .. that would be like this ... Mic>greatriver> Pure 2 in> spidf out to RME> choosing the spidf channel from the totalmix rme software ....... other wise if this couldn't happen . i guess there is no point of purchasing an AD DA . I could go get a DA only . I'd have to use the AD pure2 to justify it right ? . I guess it wouldn't be optimal to only use the RME as a patchbay for my synths . however RME has great drivers .. how about I can go for a Lynx HILO it has lots of inputs and outputs.. and sell my RME ..I guess both Pure2 and Hilo are at the same level!! this way I can benefit from both AD and DA .. what do you think ? and Thanks a lot for your time man . I appreciate your help Respect

You got the signal flow right. The Hilo and pure 2 are both 2 channels. Between the two I would go with the pure 2 because it's rackable. The form factor of the Hilo is odd to me. Though I guess they probably sale rack ears for the Hilo but that would be an additional cost. Also I'm not a fan of the touchscreen. The pure 2 has software control where I can control it from there. As far as sound I wouldn't one is better then the other. I had a lynx Aurora before getting the Orion and I was pleased the conversion and clocking from it.

Yes.

Yes, along as the converter connects to your computer, which all stand alone a/d d/a do today

What DAW are you using?

@@TheAudioCzar Thanks for responding King. I'm using Pro Tools 2019. I get a 253ms delay. I've tried the buffer on both my computer and interface. It still delays at the same 253ms.

@@TheAudioCzar Peace King. Did you find out anything that may help me?

@@DaGodMoryae Pro Tools 1019 should have delay compensation. if thats on I'm not sure why its not compensating for that. 253ms is a lot, is it telling you that at the bottom of the track of the mixer? And has its always behaved this way, or just started

@@TheAudioCzar Delay comp is on. And it still gives me the delay. Just started using the analog gear about 2 weeks ago and its been doing it the whole time. Ive been nudging it into place and 253 is about where it lines up.

Do you have an interface? You can get rca to 1/4 inch adapters and run to your interface. Or run RCA into a mixer and the outputs to an interface. That way you can control the level.

@@TheAudioCzar . i can simply connect in the headphone jack port on the back of the PC... but im looking for something that will usb into the computer..

interface is the "computer" or the soundcard.

you would connect the A/D D/A converter to the interface, digitally. So for the D/A converter you could go spidf out from the interface to spidf in on the converter. Now you select spidf output on the interface it will be coming from the d/a converter.

+James Cassidy if your using an interface that has mic/line option for the input you want to use it as line if your using a external pre. Most interfaces have a combo jack (XLR/TRS). Usually the TRS connection bypasses the mic pre. So you can go from your pre to the line in bypassing the pre on the interface

yea no i get that! what im saying is if your using all external pres, either hardware or from a mixer, and your using an interface/converter without pres(because all your pres are covered) how are you getting it into interfaces that dont have mic pres built in? know what i mean lol? if not just tell me and ill try reword it! i understand though how to use external pres/eq/comps etc and run them into a line or mic/line in on an interface!i guess another way to put it would be, lets say i had a recording that required a big i/o channell count, like 8-16 mics, and i had all external pres or a mixer, how do you route all those to an interface or a/d/ d/a converter? like they make ad/da converters without mic preamps for people that dont need them or even some like the rme 's that have 8 pres but say you can run 64 channells of inputs..like how lol?

Do you mean how can a interface say 26 inputs for example and you only see 8 inputs? If the interface has adat each adat connection can add 8 channels up to 48k sample rate. higher than that and you cut your channel count in half. So it goes from 8 to 4. If you have a presonus Digi max for example it will let you connect 8 mic/line inputs by adat to an interface. So if you've using all of the inputs on the interface you can expand the inputs by adat. If that's the answer or I'm still misunderstood let me know

yeah you answered half of my question forsure, the thing i was having trouble understanding is if you wanna buy an interface without preamps on it , is there options that have just line ins for if your just wanting to use external pres! i kind of figured it out over the weekend though and realised there is interfaces you can buy that just have line ins and other stuff but no actual pres! i just didnt know exactly how you would connect your pres to your interface if it didnt have combi jacks or pres already! ! so no worries! thanks homie!

my only question know would be whats the difference between a converter/ and an interface that just has line ins and no pres? or is it the same? or is a high end converter, just like a high end clock something you just add on to your interface?

Yes, however your interface is a converter. But you if you had an external converter you would go from that to the line input of the interface

Czar thanks but the also final output(to the speakers) would be the interface as well correct?

@@danielkang7789 yes, unless you had an external D/A converter. But interface out to your speakers would be using the D/A in the interface.

Czar sorry i meant using interface and the converter at the same time since I wanted some better outboard converter on top of the interface im using atm. But according to what you’ve just replied, does that mean I wouldn’t need an interface because i have a better external converter? and is that ok for my recording to final production and mixing as well?

@@danielkang7789 you would connect the external converter to your spidf on the interface, you would still need an interface because most likely the interface has the majority of your I/O, like more example, my Presonus Quantum carries my I/O, but the Antelope Pure 2 is connected by spidf to the quantum

you can use the A/D converter as a clock. Just connect a word clock cable from the out of the A/D converter to the word clock in on the RME.

what is the cheapest audio interface with wc & spidif inputs?

If you go line in into your interface you are using the interfaces A/D. If your using a standalone A/D converter, that would connect to your interface by spidf. Then the signal, say a vocal, would go mic - compressor - A/D, spidf out of the A/D to spidf in on the interface. Because its going spidf, which is digital, it stays digital after leaving the A/D going into the interface.

interesting. Did you find the MOTU conversion colored the sound?

yes, the motu was like having ear muffs on. i could never get my mixes to sound like top 20 music...so my crusade began to get that "sound" the hi and low end were never right, even with neve 1073's, focusrite reds, and API channel strips....Neumann m149 and u87 mics...all sounded muddy and not so hi end. Then i heard a friends recording and my jaw dropped, mind you hes not a good engineer, out the box with no mixing his sound blew mine away. He was using apogee ad16x for AD conversion....and the rest is history! Apogee has that polish sound, natural high end with clarified lows. Im looking to upgrade to orion 32hd but im super scared it wont hold up to apogee. i live in a small city and have no way to demo the antelope converters....perhaps we can file swap to see the difference....im hoping antelope is just as high end....

You can go line into a converter on the interface, just make sure when your interface bypass the pres when connected by line level if your using a combo jack (XLR/TRS in one) Not all interfaces bypass the mic pres.

No.

+James Zadhav email me through my website. Can't post links in KZfaq comments

+Joe Bills room treatment is important. The reason you hear room reflections is because the part of the room where the mic is attached to the camera is not treated and the part of the room behind me is, which is where I mix at.