absolutely this!

Or, at least one quarter of such a huge budget. 🤓

Good advice, but a 7.2.4 HT with a 77" OLED is nice too.

This is me. I've never had a house that had a dedicated music or HT room. With three kids, it just wasn't practical.

@@toddlee2571 I finally got my theater when I retired and it was well worth the wait.

I managed to setup a 5.1.4 system in our 14’x18’ den. We love it.

@@rafacq Thats what matters. Mine is in a 12x20 room, nothing really "professional" but putting it together was at least half the fun

This isn't an audiiphile channel?

@@musicman8270 I thought I pointed out that it is both.

You'd be better off with two Rythmik E15HP2s

@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah But, I can't get 2 Rythmik E15HP2s for $499 US each. If I could I would.

@@dungysphincter7974 lol just get a pair of RSL Speedwoofer 10S MK2 when they get back in stock... they're a limited commodity so you always have to be refreshing their website on when they get stock

Here's a simple "getting started" trick... Sit in your intended listening position. Clap your hands together once. Listen for what happens after the clap ... echoes, sustain, vibrations, etc. If the room is basically quiet... it's probably okay for most setups. If not, repeat the test, taking note of where the after-sounds come from. Don't start with ludicrously priced audio panels... that's a sure way to waste a ton of money and get a really ugly room. Start with the stuff you've already got and try rearranging the furniture to solve some of the problems... Furniture, carpets, drapes, etc. soften a room to reduce reflections. Bookshelves, media stands, knickknack displays etc. tend to break up echoes. Yes it's mysterious and the explanations are basically useless... but a little bit of experimentation can likely get you an enjoyable result.

@@Douglas_Blake_579 Thank you, Douglas. That is probably the most practical and low-tech advice I have received. Very few people discuss the impacts or importance of furniture.

@@jamesmorse6486 Take a look at some of the "audiophile" room plans... Simple question: What furniture?

It can be but you need to scale the space accordingly to maximize the performance. Shoot for a higher RT60 decay time between 500-700ms instead of 300-500ms in a larger room. In other words, don't over treat the acoustics of the room with absorption. Choose speakers that give you wide dynamic range but good cohesion sitting at closer distances (6-7ft away). A concentric speaker like a Kef of Mofi or Perlisten would work well in this space.

I have heard a 7.1 system in a bedroom 12x12 ft sound shockingly good with proper treatment. I don't know how to explain but the space sounded bigger.

RBH Sound SFTR/AX active speakers. Absolutely amazing and I will be doing a review. They replaced my Revel F328be as a significant upgrade, especially in the bass department.

That will mess up the bass in the first row, which is the most important location for sound in many multi row seated theater rooms.

my mother-in-law seat has an ejector spring... she is always curious as to why I always tell her to sit in the same place. LOL!!!

Mother in laws r like Vampires. Don't invite them in 2 your home. Eat plenty of garlic. And definitely don't do eny d.i.y work 4 them. 😂😂😂 You have been warned

I did that too. Oil canvas art paintings that a 2" deep foam 1ft sq panels fit perfectly (with minor trim). No need to buy a fancy acoustic panel.

@@SgtMjr . Sorry for being dumb. So it works pretty good? I understand it's not a bass trap.

. Bean bag chairs are now filled with memory foam chunks. Might make a better looking, dual use bass trap if stacked. I'm gonna' try it.

@@TriAmpHiFi Correct not a bass trap. Oil on canvas paintings will work as diffusor panels as is but the addition of acoustic foam behind the canvas enhances the effect.

@@SgtMjr . Thank-you.

And what about the dac in the denon 3800h? How good is that compared to say an anthom receiver? Or an eversolo dmp a6?

Yeah, the guy in this video, Gene. Go-to his website and there should be a pop up with an offer for consultation.

​@@williamkramer9069walked right into that one! $200/h is quite steep, but it's not like the actual construction of the space will be cheap, either. I already have most of the media equipment, at least (for now).

Yeah Gene's website

I would even say room and setup first and speakers a close second. Cheers

Sonitus

@@jamiet74thank you

The cost of the speakers in that range is truly, utterly, irrelevant. 3300 is a good amount and can get you crappy speakers or insanely good speakers... The cost means nothing the model and it's measurements is what matters.

I disagree insanely good speakers for 3k. No good yes. Irrelevant no again. Again my opinion. ROOM ITS NO1 FACTOR and then speakers are no2. Everything else it's Everything else.

@@Skyshakerrrr you're just objectively wrong that great speakers don't exist at and BELOW 3k. Above that price range you're already starting to get into higher markup and prices based on name brand and aesthetics and not inherent quality or performance or build cost, but instead they have increasingly higher markup and profit margin and marketing bs. This is not universally true across the board but certainly represents the overall trend. Few 5k speakers are worth it, especially if you're talking about a basic design - like a bookshelf or thin tower with some 6.5" woofers. If the design format and class of speaker is different, maybe you've got something there, but there is only so much you can do within a given format, and the raw driver cost only goes so high. There's no room to improve a 2 way 6.5" based speaker past a certain point. DIY would teach you this, as you can spec out the best performing drivers available on the market and see that even the higher priced ones (before you start spending money that doesn't actually increase performance) can't possibly even cost you more than a few hundred bucks, and often significantly less - depending on size. So show me the 3.3k or 8.8k speaker you're referring to. If it's large or unique in it's driver arrangement etc. maybe there's a justification and a real performance advantage. If it's just another speaker with a tweeter and a couple small drivers, then I regret to inform you the driver arrangement and format itself is the limiting factor and you're paying for brand name and aesthetics and "build quality", but there is no economic force preventing someone from having top level drivers and crossover and adequate cabinet build to produce 99% of the maximum possible performance in the typical size/format bookshelf or small tower speaker for 3300 bucks. Nothing that can be done for 5k or 8k that can't be done for 3k. You're dealing purely in markup and design CHOICES at that point, not what can be built for the money. How are we evaluating their quality? Objective metrics, or the subjective impressions of audiophile reviewers and yourself? There is no consistent trend towards better objective measurements going from 3k to 8k. What is better will vary completely from model to model and if you showed me a half dozen from each price category, it would be a flip of a coin to say which is objectively better between any 2, I guarantee you, that is objective reality. And boy you would really flip a lid talking to DIY guys... Virtually any speaker you could name could be matched or beaten in performance for less than half the cost, very often 1/4 the cost. I don't think people understand how little money is actually spent building speakers compared to what they retail for. If you're spending more than a few grand on speakers, they should not look like typical bookshelf or tower speakers, because that format is limiting and the performance has absolutely peaked. You should be getting unique designs with larger woofers and different kinds of tweeters/drivers. I can build a 2 way with a 15" pro woofer and an exceptionally good medium format horn and compression driver that will stomp ANY speaker that utilizes 1 or 2 small woofers and a 1" dome tweeter, for 2-3 grand for the pair, using bi-amping and DSP to get the exact response you want, and having way more dynamic output capability. If you prefer a waveguide and 2 12" or 10" woofers in an mtm you could do that. If you prefer a top tier AMT and 4 8" drivers in a 2.5 way you could do that as well. Literally you name it. Speakers over 5k are very rarely worth it unless they're doing something unique, like KEF or Mofi, genelec, anyone with a unique driver design or arrangement, or active electronics. If you show me another boring standard speaker with a dome tweeter and a couple/few small drivers in a box and it cost over 3-5k, I'll just tell you you got ripped off, it's nothing special, and the retail markup is in the multiple hundreds of % vs the build/design cost. If I didn't want to do diy, I'd buy the new Mofi 888. That's a unique speaker you can't exactly build yourself that's actually objectively awesome, for 5k. And if you use a sub and/or aren't concerned with high bass output and low extension below 40-50hz, you could just get the sourcepoint 8s or 10s for 2-3k. There's many other great speakers in the 3k range too depending on what you're after. If you spend more than that and aren't using DSP equalization, you're most definitely doing it wrong, since almost no system should not employ DSP eq. Never buy a speaker merely for frequency response curve preference, that can be fixed/tailored to suit any taste. Only thing it can't fix is dispersion characteristics, resonances, and maximum output/compression/distortion.

​@@Artcore103 I guess it's you opinion a long opinion dyi guy. I didn't learned anything from you rant.just that you have a strong opinion,so do I. Who cares what you think truly not me who cares what I think,it's just an exchange this thing you said will not help me in any meaningful way. You build, I buy. Think about it for a minute. If you do reply make it shorter thks in advance.

I don't want a listening space that looks like the inside of an anechoic chamber either. A listening room or space should be inviting and comfortable... and the typical audiophile's room is neither of those things.

@@Douglas_Blake_579 That’s reasonable, it needs to be a balance between performance and aesthetics without doubt. It is, after all, a home and a place of relaxation

@@michaelwilliams4086 Given that it's my living room, I definitely want my guests to feel comfortable and welcomed. I've never been fond of the "man cave" thing... music should be for the whole family.

I also have a 2.1 system in my own living room and it's definitely more than good enough. I am fortunate enough to also have a separate dedicated TV room with a nice 7.2.4 atmos setup. My man cave. The others in the house are content watching movies with the built in TV speakers. Go figure. At least I have my man cave all to myself, and can dial up the audio in living room when needed.

And what's more, you can hardly find anything sounding appreciably worse. 😉

Zoom works internationally as long as you're awake when I am. 😆

There is a coat closet in my living room. Any time I want a bit of extra bass, all I have to do is open the door. Stuff like this is unavoidable.