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Do Expensive Speaker Cables Sound Better than Cheaper Cables?

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Do expensive speaker cables sound better? In this video, we explore if price determines the sound quality and objective performance of speaker cables. We compare inexpensive cables to some of the exotics to see how the cheap stuff fares. The results may surprise you as we are all about applying real science to audio, not the marketing fluff.
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@RobTi
@RobTi 4 жыл бұрын
Respect Gene for giving the answer at the beginning of the video, and then elaborating on the topic, instead of the other way around!
@Abrikosmanden
@Abrikosmanden 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! That's when you know the content is actually worth your time :)
@michaelpiotrowicz6100
@michaelpiotrowicz6100 4 жыл бұрын
"The answer is no." Subscribed.
@robert71457
@robert71457 6 ай бұрын
B I N G O😂
@ramencurry6672
@ramencurry6672 4 ай бұрын
I think especially for short lengths, the cheap crappy speaker cables normally won’t degrade the sound.
@DaveJ6515
@DaveJ6515 2 ай бұрын
Unsubscribed. The answer is yes on hi-end systems, otherwise don't bother.
@Chez114
@Chez114 4 жыл бұрын
I love that he gives the answer to the question right in the beginning. Now I actually want to watch the full video just out of respect
@rtg97229
@rtg97229 4 жыл бұрын
What is really special is that some people spend more on audio cables than I do on RF cables for 40 GHz testing. I really admire Gene's stamina on being wiling to address this issue for the people with amnesia about the last time they asked about audio cables.
@richardelliott8352
@richardelliott8352 7 ай бұрын
every time I see an investigation of cable reality, I am reminded of the very famous audio reviewer who used the six figure cost of his system wiring to enhance his credibility, as in, too bad not everybody can experience a super expensive system built by the expertise and experience I possess. My curiosity sparked by this channel , I went over to refresh my memory about the cost and features of his cables and interconnects. Now I couldn't find the dollar amount of his cables nor even any mention, on the last KZfaq exploration of his super expensive system that I viewed . I thought that odd for a guy who unfailingly pushed fancy cables as so necessary that they should get a a good slice of the audio budget, on par with components.
@Jeff-fc7nf
@Jeff-fc7nf 4 жыл бұрын
After getting the straight up answer, I stayed to listen to the entire video. Tell me the answer and then explain, perfect format. Subscribed!
@UNLKYHNTR
@UNLKYHNTR 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that this is even worth a video is just sad, man. This industry is full of shit sometimes. you and your team put so much love and effort into your videos and website. It's the first place I check when I want information on a specific product. Always honest, in depth and just filled to the brim with knowledge. You need a lot more subscribers.
@mrcheezle6
@mrcheezle6 4 жыл бұрын
Audioquest is a prime example of a company profiting off of B.S. terminology.
@berthacdellasala
@berthacdellasala 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you UNKLY. We love promoting the knowledge for consumers to make an informed decisions and enjoy their home audio.
@tonys4396
@tonys4396 4 жыл бұрын
With SO much proof about this over the years, you would think that EVERYONE knows how the pathetic snake oil cables are all about.
@UNLKYHNTR
@UNLKYHNTR 4 жыл бұрын
@@berthacdellasala thanks for that. Love you guys/gals ❤️❤️❤️
@tonys4396
@tonys4396 4 жыл бұрын
@@ianjohnhorwood2605 You must work for AudioQuest.
@lordw9609
@lordw9609 4 жыл бұрын
Love how you're still giving the middle finger to these scam artist cable companies. Wish more people would wake up to them. Thanks Gene!!
@russellbradley454
@russellbradley454 2 жыл бұрын
GEORGE ORWELL said advertising is the cesspit of capitalism, getting people to spend money they can't afford on things they they don't need. 🤣
@chrismonterubio9475
@chrismonterubio9475 Жыл бұрын
His speaker wire is literally $300 for 10ft. He’s a hypocrite at best.
@jasonwebb6484
@jasonwebb6484 Жыл бұрын
@@chrismonterubio9475 I thought he said the stuff he uses is $1.20/ft (Blue Jeans Cable?)? Obviously have to add in cost of terminations (banana plugs or whatever) and labour. Is he selling cables for $300 - just wondering.
@volleyballjerry
@volleyballjerry Жыл бұрын
@@russellbradley454 - It is better than communism when people cannot get the things they DO need.
@joes3800
@joes3800 4 жыл бұрын
I am a big fan of Audioholics. That said, I reluctantly watched this video thinking this was yet another rant of Gene's about a bad experience he had with a cable vendor or manufacturer. Not that that is not interesting; I was shocked about the situation he encountered at a recent audio show last year. But I thought this video was going to be redundant... On the contrary, I instead got a lot out of this video as it was a good summary of the science. Thank you once again for another informative and interesting video, Gene. Keep them coming!
@laurentiudinca9606
@laurentiudinca9606 4 жыл бұрын
If you want better sound, invest in better speakers.
@torea6084
@torea6084 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to spend some money on room acoustics as well :-)
@pking39
@pking39 4 жыл бұрын
@@torea6084 Also some money on the preamp/amp. With these 3 combo. Then u will all set:-)
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 4 жыл бұрын
I agree because the number one priority on your system where your money goes is the pair of speakers themselves. You absolutely cannot go wrong with Paradigm Persona 5f and a vintage Pioneer SX1980.
@laurentiudinca9606
@laurentiudinca9606 4 жыл бұрын
You definitely cannot go wrong with that setup, IF you can afford it. You can buy a small house with that money, but I get your point. That amp, however, is an absolute jewel.
@travis1240
@travis1240 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. Start with the speakers and (unless you are made of money or have really bad components) stop there too.
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 жыл бұрын
Gene!! You should win”Audiophile Truth” of the decade award !!!
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 жыл бұрын
Don't be silly. Gene has just moved on from snake oil that costs hundreds of dollars to the extra virgin snake oil that costs thousands of dollars in expensive amplifiers and receivers. Funny that he actually uses the word "audible" in this one in pointing out that half a dB is not likely audible. But in the amplifier video the word is never used. We are supposed to believe that measurable minute differences in distortion, noise, and frequency response are somehow audible, without any evidence supporting that conclusion. For something to sound "better," it first has to sound different in a reliable test.
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 жыл бұрын
@@gregworrel2623 Look, The guy takes time to provide measurable evidence and truth.. I have also watched some of his "amplifier" videos and he speaks of "Audible" differences regularly. There are huge audible differences in amplifiers, one from the next. I find him one of the most honest and upfront guys in the industry!! he literally got excluded from HiFi shows because of his promotion of truth. Lets give the guy some breathing room....
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 жыл бұрын
@@abxaudiophiles Measurements don't tell us what is audible. In the amplifier video, he mentioned that one amplifier sounded "smoother" and "more composed." Which measurement shows us "more composed" on a graph? What does "more composed" even mean? How can two amplifiers with ruler flat frequency response have one that sounds "smoother"? He showed a graph in that video of an amplifier that had a 2dB variation at 20KHz but failed to mention that there is almost certainly no way anyone can hear 2dB variation at 20KHz in actual content. It is ironic for someone with "ABX" in their screen name to say that there are "huge audible differences in amplifiers." Are you unaware of the ABX testing done by the SMWTMS? Are you unaware of the $10,000 amplifier challenge that offered $10,000 to anyone who could correctly identify different amplifiers that were level matched and not clipping in a double blind test? At what level does amplifier distortion become audible? .01%? .1%? 1%? How well equipment measures and the engineering to get there is irrelevant once a minimum standard is achieved such that the noise and distortion become inaudible to humans.
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 жыл бұрын
@@gregworrel2623 He Actually said that .5-1db is basically unnoticeable...As we all know 2-3 db increase can easily be perceived as an increase in quality or other characteristics. Your diatribe is pointless, as there are MANY more issues that are more relevant than someone saying AMPS sound different.... AS THEY DO
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 жыл бұрын
@@abxaudiophiles Yes, he said that in this video. But in the amplifier video, one of his reasons why more expensive amps sound better was "impedance invariability." The graph showed a 2dB variation at 20KHz. Please tell me you can hear a 2dB variation at 20KHz. That is absolutely inaudible to anyone over the age of 30 and likely inaudible in actual content by anyone at any age. If you think level matched non-clipping amps sound different then prove it in a double blind comparison. I've yet to hear of anyone who could. People spend thousands on amps when a simple experiment would show they are throwing their money away when a much less expensive amp would sound exactly the same.
@theejoeylee
@theejoeylee 4 жыл бұрын
People freaking out over speaker cable quality must have never seen the cheap a$$ wires going from the circuit board to the terminal inside the amp
@andershammer9307
@andershammer9307 4 жыл бұрын
Not in a good amp.
@knusern666
@knusern666 3 жыл бұрын
Or the wires inside the speaker. I must confess that i bought expensive wires for my system 25 years ago. Then i had a midrange speaker go bad and opened the speaker to change it. Inside i found tiny wires with rubbish termination. That was my wakeupcall i have not bought expensive wires after that. I still have my wires and they still work so the quality was good, but even if i had bought the cheap ones and i had to change them 10 times it would still be cheaper
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 жыл бұрын
Gene! I just shared this on about 15 audiophile Facebook groups and disabled commenting ....🤣🤣🤣. Truth can be such a weapon to some.
@fabiozagoo
@fabiozagoo 4 жыл бұрын
Do the same vídeo about standard power cord vs other high quality power cords.
@brentelieson1527
@brentelieson1527 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a Belden 83803 based power cable in a power cord comparison.
@rogerhalt3991
@rogerhalt3991 4 жыл бұрын
Or fiber HDMI vs regular
@thisrocks
@thisrocks 4 жыл бұрын
Why? PS audio already did it :D :D :D
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 жыл бұрын
You need a video for that nonsense?
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 4 жыл бұрын
@@thisrocks his intro was basically referencing Paul's intro lol
@a0r0a7
@a0r0a7 4 жыл бұрын
Audiophiles still won't believe this. Great video and spot on information through testing 👍
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 4 жыл бұрын
There's a reason the owner of Audioquest lives in a 5 million dollar condo in a beach town shopping center.
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 4 жыл бұрын
Bill Low's condo is IN the Fashion Island Shopping Center. He paid 3.3 million in 2014. It's probably doubled.
@GSPirosaki
@GSPirosaki 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone aspires to live in a shopping center.
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts 4 жыл бұрын
And I bet he can't tell the difference between cables in a blind trial either :)
@rogerskoff5746
@rogerskoff5746 3 жыл бұрын
You're right. Businesses should b e ashamed of selling things good enough that lots of customers want to buy them and their owners get to live nicely. All businesses should run at a loss. That way everybody would be happy and morally correct. Show everybody what a noble soul are by giving all your possessions to the poor. Of course, the you would become one of the poor, and would demand it all back, screaming "EXPLOITATION!!!!
@noself1028
@noself1028 3 жыл бұрын
Gene, thanks for this video and others like it. It’s refreshing to get explanations and analysis based in science and engineering rather than audio fantasy. You perform a vital service for the audio enthusiast community.
@volleyballjerry
@volleyballjerry Жыл бұрын
"It's dynamic, involving, accurate, detailed and harmonically pure," raves Todd Warnke in his review for SoundStage "The Silver Streak sets a new standard for me." -- from Stereophile magazine in their review of Kimber Kable's Silver Streak which cost $2576.00 for a pair of 3-meter cables. Audio Fantasy? Oh yeah! But Stereophile takes Kimber Kable's advertising money so you are probably not going to get negative reviews for this BS. But Gene said it best towards the end - cables due to their electrical and engineering simplicity of what they do and how they do it do NOT require that much thought into their design to get right. They just don't. But people with extreme disposable income need to justify how they waste their money and Gene's comment about bragging rights was spot on. Even if you spend $20,000.00 on an amplifier and you have Andy Singer trying to convince you that *these* cables are the perfect match for this amplifier and speaker combination, you are an idiot if you feel that you ALSO need to spend $10,000.00 on cables. Cables are cables!!!! It's like a Ferrari owner believing that $30.00 per gallon gasoline is the ONLY fuel for his car because he blew half a million dollars on it! No. Gas is gas; cables are cables. As for Andy Singer, he is an ex law student with zero background in acoustics, electronics, or engineering. But he *is* a successful salesman in that he has made a lot of money convincing other deep-pocketed idiots in New York City to spend 100 times what they actually needed to get a decent sound system.
@Peter_van_bjork
@Peter_van_bjork Жыл бұрын
Kimber Kable looks fantastic, so in terms of aesthetics, they are clearly the prettiest
@boeing757pilot
@boeing757pilot Жыл бұрын
WOW! What an outstanding explanation and recommendations! Just incredible and such a refreshing presentation. Bravo!
@62thomasnguyen
@62thomasnguyen 4 жыл бұрын
I have been using low voltage garden cable from Home Depot and they work terrific. Short is 14 gauge and long is 12 gauge (20’ and more than 10’). Work like a champ.
@mohammadwasilliterate8037
@mohammadwasilliterate8037 2 жыл бұрын
LOTS OF COPPER IS ALL YOU NEED AS YOU ARE CONNECTING A LOW IMPEDANCE UNIT.
@Steve-GM0HUU
@Steve-GM0HUU 4 жыл бұрын
Good video thanks. I have had discussions with a few audiophiles over the years who told me (who has a background in electronics and RF) I didn't know what I was talking about when I suggested they may as well use thick gauge mains flex instead of the fancy expensive speakers cable they had shelled out a small fortune for. Tried explaining basic transmission line theory and that at audio frequencies for short runs they didn't need to worry about capacitance/inductance or skin effect. They wouldn't believe me, said the expensive stuff sounded noticeably better. I gave up in the end.
@richardelliott8352
@richardelliott8352 7 ай бұрын
a quick analysis of the mechanisms of human hearing might have made your point. The human brain has no self awareness , and since human hearing is a process of the brain, everything is right that it hears. It will report what you expect to hear as real, even if it hears nothing . Hearing tests have a built error percentage, you score within a range, not on absolute accuracy. because people trying to hear test tones will report hearing tones that weren't there. much like the famous wine tests where taste was influenced by the expectations of the switched bottle labels it all goes back to human development, when we first came out if the trees and into the tall grass. Keeping off the menu by suddenly scattering like birds for no reason turned out to be a stronger evolutionary path than the guys who wanted to stop and consider if they heard something. But we can do which way to run remarkably well , being able to tell distance, location and speed of a distant sound through and open window. It's just the original reality that you can't trust, much like the brain processing optical illusions .
@nachowifi2181
@nachowifi2181 4 жыл бұрын
He's educated and does his research. Ill save my money and get cool gear instead. Gene, youre a savant.
@xprettylightsx
@xprettylightsx 4 жыл бұрын
Ian john Horwood lol
@Billy-rr7re
@Billy-rr7re 2 жыл бұрын
the more you pay, the more unicorns will come out of your sound system.
@slerched
@slerched 4 жыл бұрын
Blue jeans all the way. My wife doesn't get near my system so what it looks like.... Doesn't matter! Of course she married me so...looks must not matter to her either! :-D
@junior-OG
@junior-OG 4 жыл бұрын
lol
@Abrikosmanden
@Abrikosmanden 4 жыл бұрын
I bet you have a beautiful soul, Stephen :P
@tonys4396
@tonys4396 4 жыл бұрын
I have Blue Jeans cables in white. They look fine to me.
@bareknuckles2u
@bareknuckles2u 3 жыл бұрын
lol! me too! ;-)
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov Жыл бұрын
Has anyone read the Stereophile article "What a Difference a Wire Makes" (June 12, 2020, First Published: Dec 1, 1995)? It shows that low inductance plays much larger role than low resistance. And they do provide real waveform distortion mesurements not just "I am telling you guys...".
@VintageLuxmanStereoCollector
@VintageLuxmanStereoCollector Жыл бұрын
I watch this video from time-to-time to better appreciate the Blue Jeans 10-white speaker cables I use. I really appreciate your effort, testing and honesty👍👍
@boardertrashtv8638
@boardertrashtv8638 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Gene, after watching the show for a year or two now I’ve seen the light and eBay’d my QED Bullcrap speaker cable with equivalent of 16awg lathered up in snake oil. Replaced it with some Van Damme UP-LCOFC 6mm which is around 9.5 gauge. Even when I bought the QED cable I didn’t think it sounded quite as good as the bottom of the range zip chord 14 gauge plain OFC cable from the same brand but I still bought it because of the marketing. It just sounded a bit lifeless despite being ‘silver’ plated. Looking at the specs now the resistance was way better in the cheaper model. What an idiot. I will no longer worry about cables, decent gauge shotgun will do me fine until I die. Thank you Audioholics 👌🏻
@markfreedman2470
@markfreedman2470 3 жыл бұрын
I got into this hobby around 60 years ago. Stereo itself was the big thing. No solid state components existed. During that time and for many years afterwards there was no such thing as a speaker cable company. Zip cable of a thick enough gauge was what you used and that was it. Now after all these years Gene’s research and testing has validated my observation. I have never been able to tell the difference. Thanks again Gene for an outstanding video.
@thegoat164
@thegoat164 Жыл бұрын
It's Gene not Jean old timer.
@markfreedman2470
@markfreedman2470 Жыл бұрын
@@thegoat164 you are absolutely right! However, I was dictating the response and KZfaq decided it was Jean. Thanks for letting me know, I edited it.
@timbathras2660
@timbathras2660 4 жыл бұрын
Based on your reviews, I splurged on a pair Kimber 8TC about a year ago as I only needed 5ft, so I figured why not.
@wa4aos
@wa4aos 3 жыл бұрын
As an electrical engineer and audiophile, AKA; audio-FOOL, I have tried to help others understand the basics of audio cable measurements/ohms law to no avail. Most will go out and spend more on their cables than they do on some of their nicer audio components. Which is foolishness unless, like you said, they enjoy their bragging rights. One company will charge you north of $20K for a pair of amp to speaker hookup cables; thats CRAZY !!! Another well =known company in Colorado will lift over $30K from your wallet for the same cables. Thanks for putting up the basic electrical theory which most people should be able to grasp. Great presentation !!! Personally, I enjoy putting the money into components and media.
@blueflame0003
@blueflame0003 4 жыл бұрын
Monoprice cl2 in wall 14 awg is what I use,great job gene,
@grahambinge4601
@grahambinge4601 4 жыл бұрын
Gene I bought a Yamaha Aventage receiver in 2015 which is when I starting watching Audioholics. I am a mechanical engineer but did do some electrical subjects. When you dropped the snake oil bomb on cables I laughed so much I was crying and I nearly fell off the couch. Then the 1kHz 10% distortion power ratings 😂 . Well let’s just say “I’m here to testify, snake oil is real and is out there!” Love your work
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 жыл бұрын
GENE!!!! We are missing a huge portion of cables and interconnects!!! Please do a video regarding XLR and RCA Interconnects as well! THANK YOU.
@andrewskaterrr
@andrewskaterrr 4 жыл бұрын
The “ABX Audiophile” this covers those, they use copper cable.... the ends don’t matter too much
@Abrikosmanden
@Abrikosmanden 4 жыл бұрын
Well, the same goes for all cables - unless they're badly designed trough incompetence or deliberately, there are no audible difference between cables in an audio system.
@nathanjones4039
@nathanjones4039 4 жыл бұрын
Blue Jeans Cable 10 gauge here, with locking bananas
@Sinnernine
@Sinnernine 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh 😭
@davmar9923
@davmar9923 4 жыл бұрын
I use 12 ga speaker wire from Home Depot. The cables are terminated with soldered-on gold-plated banana plugs.
@mrwilliamwonder
@mrwilliamwonder 4 жыл бұрын
I think that cable is just copper plated, the cable will turn silver/grey over time.
@mrcheezle6
@mrcheezle6 4 жыл бұрын
That wiring is CCA (copper clad aluminum)While it still works fine, it has more resistance then OFC (oxygen free copper). Not knocking ya just giving you some info. I used to use CCA wire all the time with no issues.
@davmar9923
@davmar9923 4 жыл бұрын
Don't know what you use for a source of information but the product description for the 12 ga speaker wire sold by Home Depot states that it is 99.99% Oxygen Free Copper. You are apparently not the only person who is misinformed on this product, based on other comments.
@mrwilliamwonder
@mrwilliamwonder 4 жыл бұрын
@@davmar9923 Must have changed then, in the past it wasn’t. The stuff I bought there turned silver after time.
@ixfxi
@ixfxi 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, I too use stranded copper wire. Everything else is straight BS. FYI... easy test to confirm copper vs copper clad aluminum is to take a razor blade to it. The razor blade will easily remove the upper layer of copper and expose the alum.
@lordsagat2503
@lordsagat2503 4 жыл бұрын
Please do one on RCA cables. Love the work Gene!
@JaZK825
@JaZK825 4 жыл бұрын
I tried Gene’s 14 4 “hack” and have been really pleased! Not sure what vid it’s in but involves using a cable with 4 14 AWG conductors and joining each pair to make two conductors with an effective gauge of about 11 AWG I think. Some slick cable pants and terminators and you get some pretty decent cables sans snake oil. Thanks Gene! Love Audioholics!
@povertime6381
@povertime6381 4 жыл бұрын
I am also on the 14/4 bandwagon. Sounds great to me.
@gregworrel2623
@gregworrel2623 4 жыл бұрын
Why go to all that trouble when 14 gauge is more than adequate on its own for almost every home application?
@trevorm574
@trevorm574 4 жыл бұрын
100% right. Combine opposing conductors for a star quad setup and you're untouchable. We use 16/4 bulk cable in our installs like this for residential room sizes. Star quad is really great and cheap to deploy. Highly recommended.
@thebarfle
@thebarfle 4 жыл бұрын
To reply to Gene’s request about what cables I use - My fronts are studio monitors, so they don’t have cables in the sense that most speakers do. For my surrounds and ceiling speakers, I use 16/2. The requirements for those speakers are quite a bit less than for the fronts, and over the lengths of the runs (all under 20 feet), I don’t detect any issues.
@stevesneed56
@stevesneed56 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! Straight forward info with no unnecessary bs ! Using 10' runs of 8pr with hybrid tube amp with Salk monitors! Great affordable system with immense sound stage depth ! Been listening to audio for over fifty years, and I am satisfied with this one !!
@mattmcdade2284
@mattmcdade2284 Жыл бұрын
I use two runs of CAT 6 wire per post (2 positive and 2 on the negative).It cost me $63 for a thousand foot spool. My speakers definitely sounded a little brighter than the monster cable it replaced.
@allanwhittle3041
@allanwhittle3041 Ай бұрын
As usual Honesty backed up by science and good knowledge of the subject matter . Thank you !!!
@bareknuckles2u
@bareknuckles2u 3 жыл бұрын
Some cable companies don't even report what gauge the cable is. Imagine that!
@hermannmaischatz2695
@hermannmaischatz2695 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Gene. I have handcrafted my own cable with a total Awg of 6, more or less, which outperforms a solid core silver monocrystal cable of 100 times more expensive. I wanted to prove the expensive high end Audio industry wrong and yes Gene you are right. Exotic speaker cables are pure Snake Oil. These Snake Oil designs take a lot of people for a ride. Even I fell for that, but at least I am over it and know the truth now. Now I only use my Snake Oil cable as a comparison test against my design's. You are right Gene, it's all about resistance and what I found out is that a big part lies in linear frequency transfer of the Audio Bandwidth in a cable design I had a lot of fun designing that cable.
@stevenjackson8226
@stevenjackson8226 4 жыл бұрын
Again, sober, well-documented/supported, cogent discussion. I have a number of different types of cabling, mostly to explore and experiment. Most of it around or under the level of the Kimber 8TC; and I do use Kimber 8TC. I wanted to see whether cables might make a difference I would notice. I don't find much, if any sonic difference among different cabling - speaker, interconnects of different types connecting among different components. Of course, I'm already at the level of using what most folks would call very high-quality, if not over-the-top exotic, cables. A couple of things to share. I've had the situation where over time some OFC copper will begin to develop an oxidation layer inside the wire jacket. It will turn that green/brown color. It seems to be from an interaction between the copper and the materials used in the jacket. Not all OFC copper wire seems to do this. This green stuff doesn't help move a signal down the wire. When I was in high school, just getting into the audio hobby, I had just spent a big part of the money I'd earned from my summer jobs to buy Dynaco's best transistor electronics kits at the time - an ST-416 amplifier and PAT-5 BiFET preamp. I loved building them. I was so excited to hook them up. I grabbed some wire I had on hand and connected everything - and OMG, it sounded AWFUL. Nothing but distortion. I had connected the speakers using solid core copper bell wire. Well, I learned long time ago what wire doesn't work. Some 12AWG lamp cord and problem solved. Not so much to single out Blue Jean's - for a good thing , in this case. They are also straight-talking about cabling, and perhaps mixing this straight talk with some opining (which can also be useful). The wire/cable that they use is fine quality to start - lots of Belden and Canare. No issues there. For good-value basics, you can easily grab some some Belden or Canare, add some nice terminations, and DIY some very nice cable variations quickly, easily, and affordably.
@oriorb
@oriorb 3 жыл бұрын
Still find it hilarious that audiophiles spend more on cables than retro gaming enthusiasts do on cables to transmit analog video (which is notorious for being prone to interference).
@mechtheist
@mechtheist 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like zip cord is all you really need for the great majority of systems. Zip cord should always be in comparison tables so you can see what the premium price is buying you, if anything.
@volleyballjerry
@volleyballjerry Жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome video. To answer Gene's question, I use custom handmade cables out of 12 AWG THHN stranded copper rated at 105 degrees C at a maximum of 600 volts. Twelve twists per foot, 10 feet in length. [Since I built them myself, I made them the *exact* perfect length so no looping on the floor!] The cost was nearly zero since the company I worked for was doing remodeling and throwing wire in the trash right and left before recycling was a thing. My system sounds absolutely spectacular. Yamaha receiver pushing 130 watts x 2. Speaker cabinets I also custom built with Pioneer and Focal drivers - and Dayton three way crossovers and L-pads - hand tuned with RTA. The entire system probably cost me under $1,000.00 and after 20 years I would stand it up to any of the systems Sound by Singer sells for ten times as much. Most of the real cost is the long hours building the speaker cabinets. The cables took me *maybe* five minutes each including tinning the ends and soldering the terminations on.
@gerard6771
@gerard6771 Жыл бұрын
I once bought a secondhand Audioquest Gibraltar cable that performed much better than my QED Revelation signature. In the end, I discovered the QED where flawed or badly designed. Nowadays, I use SVS cables , several times less expensive than Audioquest and there is no difference in sound. By the way, they look nice and are more flexible and easier to use.
@Adamhc75
@Adamhc75 4 жыл бұрын
I have had the same Monster cable XP for years. It has always served me well in both my car and home audio. I got it from a friend who got it with a gift card he won in a contest so.... It was "technically" free. :-) I have so much of it that I doubled it up for my high powered car audio system.
@ntnt1965
@ntnt1965 4 жыл бұрын
Big Yessss from a non believer, Western Electric WE16GA VW-1 which are made with a mix of tin and cooper (tin is better conductor than cooper) is like adding a new dac to your equipment, also glass toslink cable with 400 or 200 strands are way to better than any top sales cable at Amazon.
@khagaroth
@khagaroth 4 жыл бұрын
That reminded me of the blind listening test, where some golden ears "audiophools" couldn't distinguish between some expensive Monster cables and 4 soldered together coat hangers.
@zaoria123
@zaoria123 4 жыл бұрын
I use Nordost 4 flat speaker cables. They were recommended to me by a man with ears I absolutely trust. He's a respected audio engineer and uses Nordost cables himself.
@acutube50
@acutube50 11 ай бұрын
My secret ritual for getting the best out of my cables? I watch videos like this, and then play some music and relax...
@Rometiklan
@Rometiklan 4 жыл бұрын
Companies who make these expensive cables must hate you, Gene. You inform and educate the masses and I'm sure those companies would rather have people kept in the dark about the truth.
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts 4 жыл бұрын
Remember folks, speaker cables are not gain stages. They are a method of final drive to speakers. They have very little to do with sound at all. Back at the amplifier inputs is where you can make *some* difference in sound with your cables since you have so much gain there and small differences can have larger effects (shielding, twisted pairs etc). Save your money for better speakers and you'll hear the most difference
@dante19890
@dante19890 4 жыл бұрын
Dont know about speakers cables but different headphones and iem cables does change the sound somewhat
@vpconcepts9838
@vpconcepts9838 4 жыл бұрын
Andreas Tzimboukakis correct, and so do speaker cables. These naysayers don't have the time to get a pair & listen for themselves.
@icabodpsillycyberman414
@icabodpsillycyberman414 4 жыл бұрын
Change or improve?
@dante19890
@dante19890 4 жыл бұрын
@@icabodpsillycyberman414 change. But different cables can improve certain headphones.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics Жыл бұрын
It's amazing to me how people fight me over this on my channel. Thanks for making this video!
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 4 жыл бұрын
In the snob-o-sphere, they hate treble. If a 16" Paiste signature crash cymbal has that crisp attack and silvery decay it's just too bright and harsh. They need cables with built in filter circuits to gently roll off the treble so it's nice as "musical" , that is if you prefer a cymbal that sounds like it has gaffers tape on the edge.
@jamieslater8991
@jamieslater8991 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Gene. Once again brother, another good honest video. Saying hello from the UK. ✌👍
@aussie8114
@aussie8114 4 жыл бұрын
The technical stuff goes over my head. We used a speaker cable made by a British company called Chord. The product was called Odyssey 2. It looked really nice and good material quality, I think it was about $20 per metre. It is silver coated oxygen free wire. It seems to be good.
@veetour
@veetour 3 жыл бұрын
A cable is a cable is a cable. I use wire from broken toasters or appliances. Smoothest and clearest sound ever.
@russelhaxby6194
@russelhaxby6194 4 жыл бұрын
As usual, I watch a video about audio gear, and my good stuff is that guy's cheap stuff.
@Wizardofgosz
@Wizardofgosz 4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe we live in a world where cable cosmetics matter. MADNESS. But my cables are blessed by the Pope.
@alexanderbelov6892
@alexanderbelov6892 4 жыл бұрын
Blessed by the Pope... This is new word in audio cables marketing... 😄
@Wizardofgosz
@Wizardofgosz 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderbelov6892 Indeed! They're a little cheaper if only a Cardinal blessed them. But you can save money by buying less expensive cables and having your local priest perform an exorcism.
@ishkabibbledib2729
@ishkabibbledib2729 4 жыл бұрын
@@Wizardofgosz Lol this is crazy.😆
@zogzog1063
@zogzog1063 2 жыл бұрын
Here we go again. It is almost spooky how someone can just give you the engineering without an angle. Thanks dude and best wishes from NZ.
@biteme263
@biteme263 4 жыл бұрын
I just use 12 or 14 guage zip cord with cheap banana plugs. A long run for me is 20 feet though for surrounds and normally under that. I have tried other kinds of wire from cheap lamp cord to housing wire to Monster cable back in the day. Never noticed a difference with listening or using test tones and a spl meter. I even tried some nice pre made cables once. My local high end store talked me into trying them by letting me taking them home to test them. I left a small deposit that I could get back when I brought them back. They were not super expensive though, I think like 90 bucks a set back in the 80's. I couldn't tell a difference so I took them back. I under stand poeple getting nice pre mades though if they want something well built and/or looks pretty. Nothing wrong with that, just not someting I am spending my money on is all. The only thing I really spend extra money on is antenna wire for my police scanner or something. Because that is going to be over 50 foot runs and have splitters and stuff in it. And then that is just nice RG6, not fancy expensive stuff the HAM guys use. I didn't know about the inductance issues with having the leads too far apart though. Thanks for that info. I never saw the point in having huge expensive wires when you pop the speaker open and see the small cheap wires they use inside lol. I always loved it when I saw the car guys using battery cable to wire up their subwoofer that was 2 foot away from the amp lol.
@MrTmax74
@MrTmax74 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video, thank you.
@retroforce6919
@retroforce6919 4 жыл бұрын
I use Monoprice 14 gauge speaker cables, it's reasonable in price and it works.😉👍
@berthacdellasala
@berthacdellasala 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it does
@WarthogDoctor
@WarthogDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
And just Bi-wire it for long runs or high power situations.
@midevil1980
@midevil1980 4 жыл бұрын
Monoprice 12AWG wire has done me very well over the past few years! 😉👍
@UnworthySubject
@UnworthySubject 3 жыл бұрын
Try looking for something else. Bought a set of banana plugs from them and they have already started corroding. Didn't even use them for a week. Just had em laying around. I also bought some cheap Amazon speaker cable that was supposed to be pure oxygen free copper from Germany. Made my speakers sound awful. Used some speaker wire I had laying around and it brought back so much life into my speakers.
@j.t.cooper2963
@j.t.cooper2963 Жыл бұрын
@@UnworthySubject You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because you had their banana plugs tarnish on you doesn't mean their speaker wire is bad.
@totalbliss1
@totalbliss1 4 жыл бұрын
Have you tried the Purple Rain cables? Nothing compares to it. They're purified in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. It makes your speakers sound like doves crying.
@mrwilliamwonder
@mrwilliamwonder 4 жыл бұрын
prince should’ve sold his own line of cables...it would be cool to have some purple ones.
@rb032682
@rb032682 4 жыл бұрын
I have eliminated all issues regarding speaker cables. I use powered studio monitors.
@animalmuppetmonster664
@animalmuppetmonster664 4 жыл бұрын
I am with you men, but we are killing the audiofilia world by saying this.
@eran1081
@eran1081 4 жыл бұрын
@@animalmuppetmonster664 Same here. sound is way better and it also eliminates all the amp vs whatever endless bullshit.
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone who gives this a thumbs down is a jackass !!! Gene!! Well said brother. You are a man of trust and character. It takes a real person of value to stand up against an industry that he’s so integrated in!!
@grahamserle7930
@grahamserle7930 3 жыл бұрын
I respect my opinion Gene because that has been my experience as well. There are some and you probably know who they are that obsess over cable differences and I'm not suggesting that there aren't, but as you say, picking an audible difference between a reasonably priced quality cable and a supposedly high end expensive one is like splitting hairs in my opinion and I have a good ear for that stiff. Apparently you can pick the difference if everything about your system, placement and room is perfect. Do we believe that the earth is flat as well or am I missing something?
@John_Merrick
@John_Merrick Жыл бұрын
Bought a Rogue Sphinx v3 and Klipsch RP8000 speakers and a schiit Bifrost dac. I was using plain old speaker cable and then bought a cheap used set of Audioquest Rocket33. I'm new to stereo equipment but a lifelong musician with a trained ear. The difference was stark. My wife noticed the improvement, and I hadn't even told her I'd done anything different. I'd prefer cables to not make a difference and save money, but it seems that to me they do. Perhaps it depends on the system.
@paulb.3227
@paulb.3227 4 жыл бұрын
YES THEY DO. At least some better cables in some systems. In my system there is a clear difference between a budgetcable and a more expensive one ( of the same brand). Which makes perfect sense. And no, I'm not a snob or an audiophool or a placebo victim. Just using my ears, like everyone should..... And don't you hear any difference? Perfect! Saves you a lot of money :-))
@chriss881000
@chriss881000 4 жыл бұрын
Well made Nice cables does sound better. For me. Becouse i know They are expensive, and rly Nice looking. So i will feel that the sound is better.(witch is not) but placebo works in many forms. :)
@Audioholics
@Audioholics 4 жыл бұрын
Very true my friend. Takes a humble person to admit that.
@chriss881000
@chriss881000 4 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics Also, when you have some high end speakers and amp, it gives you the right feeling when the cables Also is "high end", but ofc the sound does not get any better. Rly love your videos, you are one of few onest audio guys out there. There are to much bullshit in the audio world going on. Watching your vids every day, keep up the great job:)
@chris-non-voter
@chris-non-voter Жыл бұрын
One of the many benefits of being 67 years of age is my Tannoy Cheviots that I've owned from new since 1975 sound as good today as they did when my hearing was a lot better. i.e. the Tannoys sound better than my ears can hear. I just enjoy the music.
@2wrdr
@2wrdr Жыл бұрын
While I've worked in Electrical Engineering for 25+ years, I only have a diploma in Electronics Technologies focused on in the RF area and always had a passion for audio. For what it's worth I'll back this guy 100% even exceeding how little is needed in what's stated when I consider what's necessary in HiFi audio for cables. All of this because we are referencing . To put it bluntly, hi-fi cable companies thrive on the ignorance of the average "Audiophile". They know they can take 1% truth and fool the average audiophile into buying their products. IF, we were talking Radio Frequency cables more of which these companies try to sell folks on could be taken a little more seriously. LISTEN, to people who have real education in such subjects and not folks who stand to profit from potential deception. My rule to average hi-fi listeners is 70~80 percent into speakers, spend the rest as you see fit. To those with $$$, start with your room, then your speakers, then the rest as you see fit. In both cases high dollar cables are simply a waste of your hard earned $ because good quality cables are actually very cheap in the big picture.
@phil393
@phil393 2 жыл бұрын
So glad youve cleared the cable thing for me. Im an absolute beginner in this and ive been umming an arring bout buying expensive cable, money which i do not have or would want to spend on cable,for your honesty youve got a new subscriber.
@G.W.G.3
@G.W.G.3 4 жыл бұрын
I always felt that gauge and material are the determining factors over exotic claims...
@asadhafeez7713
@asadhafeez7713 4 жыл бұрын
Nice, helpful video. Just like any other segment of our lives, companies are desperately trying to do what they can to profit, even if that means keeping us misinformed and confused. It really is a HUGE roadblock in our quest to achieve the best in audio performance. Components and speakers are the real difference makers.
@phototechchannel229
@phototechchannel229 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I need o go to a AA (cAble Ahoics) meeting. I know they don't make a difference, but I'm still making my own exotic DIY cables. I'm mainly about how they look and not expecting any audio gains, but I've spent way too much time and money on my cables. They do look sick and I don't spend a fortune on them, so all in good fun. Seeing the data confirms everything I already knew.
@babu981
@babu981 4 жыл бұрын
So, I'm a noob. I bought 100 feet of 16 AWG cable because the seller told me it's more than enough... Am I really missing sound quality ?
@Philitron128
@Philitron128 4 жыл бұрын
What distance are you running?
@mauben1
@mauben1 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Gene, on my Meridian / MBL pre-power / Dynaudio system I (still, after many years) use A.R.T. branded Yamamura Churchill Millennium cables, for both line and speakers. I chose the YC’s after a dealer allowed me to test in my home a box of “esoteric” cables from many brands. The YC’s added an additional bass layer compared to my previous Nordost Red Dawn / Audiosynthesis / VdH 352 mix and smoothed sibilants out. YC’s really made the difference, even though price was borderline to astronomical for short runs of cables. A few months ago I moved to a new apartment and I have to replace my current 2 x 4 meters speakers cables with 2 x 5 meters and I am not anymore in the mood to make expensive experiments. Friends advised for Dynavox or Bespeco cables based on optimal price performance ratios, also given that testing cables before buying is not an option anymore. Since I live in Rome, US shopping is very difficult and I have to source within the EU. Your video was highly informative, I took notes about some key passages on awg vs length and resistance parameters. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@EpicureMammon
@EpicureMammon 2 ай бұрын
I used to get a spool at Radio Shack (or whereever) because it was cheap-- you know, the stuff with a copper wire and a silver (aluminum?) wire. It worked, but it usually was pretty poor quality and would break, it was thin, etc. etc. I eventually started buying extension cords that were at least 12 gauge and cutting them to fit. Some of them are even designed to look decent or can at least be relatively easily color matched. Because I have relatively nice equipment, people think they're going to get me to say that I have some kind of crazy expensive cable (I don't know why else they'd ask unless they did honestly want to know what I thought was good) and are usually surprised when I point to the extension cord that I got at a hardware store. My thinking is that if it can safely run 12-15amps through it without a problem, it's not going to provide any noticeable resistance for an audio signal. I don't know why I've never seen your channel before. You make me feel sane in an insane world :D
@oleplanthafer7034
@oleplanthafer7034 2 жыл бұрын
So, when people say: Expensive cables matter (although we don't know why), don't let ANYBODY tell you differently - that somebody is Gene. I'm gladly letting you tell me! Thanks, Gene!
@lilmangofast
@lilmangofast 4 жыл бұрын
Always irritating to see people unliking an informational video. Don't want to learn from a logic point of view? Scroll on!
@j.j.hunsecker3009
@j.j.hunsecker3009 2 жыл бұрын
So great! (just picked/bought cables last week and chose the blue jeans you started with, before I saw this, love it). Thank you for doing these.
@T_B_C_L
@T_B_C_L 4 жыл бұрын
I soak my speaker cables In Holy water 😂 🤣 😂. Another awesome informative video Gene, ty sir!
@fonkenful
@fonkenful 4 жыл бұрын
The Blue Collar Life that only works if the Holy Water was cycled through cryogenic treatment process, otherwise just use albino unicorn tears.
@Richard-bq3ni
@Richard-bq3ni 4 жыл бұрын
Holy water only improves gospel.
@danisoful
@danisoful 4 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of cable companies saying that cables need at least 100 hours of burn in? I couldn't believe it, there are people out there who thinks a metal gives a damn if it's being used and not overheated? But you should put their claims to the test just for lolz, you probably have some hundred hours on some cables at home.
@DrPhanster
@DrPhanster 4 жыл бұрын
One question I'm always left with is, if I don't want to make my own, what IS a good price for cables? At what point price point does it become about style and fluff over performance?
@j.t.cooper2963
@j.t.cooper2963 Жыл бұрын
👍🏻😎 I use Monoprice Choice 12 gauge speaker wire in 10' lengths. I got a 300 foot roll for $69. Thats about half of what the MSRP is. I'm more than happy with it. It would have been nice to have it in 10 gauge, but for short runs it's more than adequate and you can't beat the price for 100% OFC speaker wire.
@tommyK7282
@tommyK7282 23 күн бұрын
Knukonceptz are what I use. Kord Ultra Flex 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - over sized Oxygen Free Copper speaker cable provides superior frequency response compared to smaller, conventional speaker wire. Each conductor is composed of 462 strands
@anklebar1
@anklebar1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for not dumbing this down too much. Some of it was over my head but that’s how you learn. Great video!
@runetech
@runetech 4 жыл бұрын
Finally a reasonable video about speaker cables. One thing about testing and comparing speaker cables. Before you take out your original cables and put the new ones in. Reseat your old ones. Clean the contacts and reattach them first! Then switch in the new cables. The majority of wow-factor difference between two pair of reasonably good to great speaker cables is just because the termination is different now. Do this reseating and cleaning regularly and you get to enjoy the "wow"-factor several times a year without spending anything.
@alfredoltinocol
@alfredoltinocol 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, clear facts and a money saver. Thanks Gene!
@pepeltoro444
@pepeltoro444 4 жыл бұрын
Im using 16 and 14 gauge Amazon basics wire with installgear banana plugs on a RC70 and Martin Logan HT set up...Im happy :)
@HiFi-JV
@HiFi-JV Жыл бұрын
Measuring electrical signals with electronic equippment on cables is like comparing the top speed of a Ferrari and a Fiat Uno in a traffic jam. It makes no sense. You have to measure the acoustic waves, that is what our ears listen to.
@michaelpaul9672
@michaelpaul9672 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Gene, does this apply to Interconnects also??? What about balanced vs. single-ended? Thanks for your hard work!
@stevenichols5708
@stevenichols5708 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I wonder if one day we might see a video renouncing your position on cables like we saw on digital amps and turntables;) ?
@steveo4141
@steveo4141 3 жыл бұрын
Y would you.... as long as the cable is the right gauge that's it.....the speaker requires enough power to be driven that's all... anyone saying they can hear a difference in quality based on cable expence is FOS.
@DarthChainsaw
@DarthChainsaw 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. BJC sound just fine in my system. Would be great if you did one on RCA cables also!
@86Ivar
@86Ivar 2 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see a test with the cheapest scrap cable you can find vs some hifi ones. Matching the resistance of course.
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