Audiolab 6000a vs Cambridge Audio CXA61 - entry into good sound

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George Dömse

George Dömse

Күн бұрын

0:00 Intro
0:08 CXA61 / Disco
01:27 Audiolab / Disco
02:55 CXA / Female
04:24 Audiolab / Female
05:57 CXA / Jazz-Rock
07:20 Audiolab / Jazz-Rock
08:55 CXA / Metal
10:24 Audiolab / Metal

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@sabresys45
@sabresys45 9 ай бұрын
Today I hooked up a Rotel A14mkii and a CXA61 to three different sets of speakers and tested them back to back for hours, and here are my observations: The CXA61 has no tone controls, so it's gonna play as it was voiced by Cambridge, and news flash, it wasn't voiced to be neutral, it was voiced to be pleasing to most people's ears, i.e. they put listening enjoyment over accuracy. That's the bad news, the good news is that they picked a really nice sound for the amp, mission accomplished, it sounds wonderful! Also realize when amps have different DAC's, that's going to effect the sound to a pretty significant degree, in all these auditions between amps he's not eliminating the DAC, that's huge. In order to even the comparison I hooked both amps to identical DACs with identical cables. Next, in order to "voice" the Rotel similar to the CXA61 I adjusted the tone controls until I got a perfect match. Guess what, you can make the Rotel sound EXACTLY like the CXA61 by doing this (the Rotel lacks a "mid" tone feature, so I was somewhat limited in my adjustments, but for practical purposes I had these two sounding 99% identical). In my test I hooked each amp to one speaker and was able to flip instantly back and forth between the two in order to match the sound perfectly. And of course the tone adjustments for the Rotel were different depending on the speakers, but eventually I was able to perfectly mimic the CXA61 in all three speakers. (I was really surprised by this end result!) Moreover, you've got variations in room acoustics and types of music, etc. etc., the variables are endless. So why did I take the time to write all this? Like you, I always want to answer for myself, how should I spend my money? I think the answer (for me anyway), is to buy something that has a good build quality and has the features you'll use. Consider whether you need a phono stage, or whether you prefer external DAC's (and you can ignore the internal) or internal (because you get what you pay for, cheap amp, probably cheap DAC). Consider your source quality, (if you're mostly streaming spotify then your equipment is the least of your problems lol!) In the end, I think you are best to get something that leans neutral and accurate but has tone controls so you can adjust for speakers/rooms/personal taste. There's nothing wrong going with a brand that colors the sound a little if that's what you like it's fine. Rotel leans neutral for sure, before I adjusted the tone controls it sounded a little thin and flat relative to the CXA61, but once I dialed in the tone, the extra power of the A14 ultimately showed through as the advantage over the CXA61, as they say, there's no replacement for displacement! (That extra power gives you a "full" sound that's hard to describe, but it's definitely there). My opinion is you are better off with as much high quality power supply that you can afford (within reason), I prefer the sound of class A/B but good quality class D is fine as well (class D quality varies widely, be careful). Brands off the top of my head that are affordable, well built, and I think lean neutral are Rotel, NAD, Arcam. When you get into the big box stuff (Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, Marantz, etc.) it often leans colored, but they still make good products if you go to the right spot in the product line. Anyway, hope that helps all who are obsessing. The bottom line is the speakers and your room acoustics make a WAY bigger difference than the amp you pick, so don't think the amp decision is all that critical relative to other factors in the system.
@skeezer180
@skeezer180 4 ай бұрын
Thanks very comprehensive
@sabresys45
@sabresys45 3 ай бұрын
@@99Noodles I would not make that change based on my experience (I've owned several Marantz HT amps), the sonic difference is going to be near zero between an A10 and the PM6005, both have tone controls so whatever small difference does exist, can be matched with tone adjustments. The rotel sound isn't "open", it's flat (accurate). imo "open" comes from boosted sound (loudness boost), that's really the signature sound of mass market brands. IMHO you'll be spending $ and not really moving the needle at all. Hope that helps.
@sabresys45
@sabresys45 3 ай бұрын
@@99Noodles The wisdom I would try to relay to someone who is considering changing out amps (based on my own follies in having done so several times lol), is that for the most part these are going to be sideways moves sonically, the differences between all of them are nuanced and small, relatively speaking. I'm saying that when you blind audition these things in back to back comparisons, the difference in sound character is very small, and mostly due to the different internal DACs more than anything else. You can make the argument that if you have a particular pair of speakers that is especially warm or especially bright, then perhaps an amp that leans the opposite direction can "balance" out the system character a tad, but again, the amp's "sound" is mainly coming from the internal DAC, and again, the actual impact it has on the overall sound is still relatively small. I like Arcam, the SA10 is said to be neutral and perhaps leans a smidge on the warm side. No experience with Rega, but they have a cult following. The reason I settled on Rotel is because when I look under the hood the quality of the parts (transformers /capacitors, boards, etc.) seems consistently good. The fit and finish of the buttons and knobs is also especially good, they feel sturdy and good in the hand (for example the Cambridge Audio volume was hyper-sensitive, made it difficult to fine tune, whereas the Rotel was very smooth and you got a nice metered response when turning it). Sometimes you just want to change the amp compulsively, I get that, been there done that! But if you are going to do it, at least upgrade the power output, because that, more than any other factor gives the amp the overhead to sound "richer". (Audio Advice has an SA20 for more than 50% off.) I have two different rooms I listen in, one is very harsh (large vaulted ceilings, no soft furnishings), and the other is very warm (cozy, small, lots of attenuating materials). My point is the speakers need to match the room both in terms of size and sound character, that's what you should pay attention to when selecting a system, buy the speaker that fits the room sonically (and your tastes), then get an amp that makes sense to drive those speakers, and it's nice to have tone controls on the amp to further compensate for the speakers or the room's acoustic qualities. Hope that helps.
@shortwaver
@shortwaver 7 ай бұрын
Awesome trial between two awesome units. Thank you
@Carl-yx1ww
@Carl-yx1ww 5 ай бұрын
6000a is king over alot of amps even priced over 2000 in my experience. I own 6000a and 9000a and I prefer the 6
@umitahmet4112
@umitahmet4112 10 ай бұрын
I own Audiolab 6000a And the reason i love it is because of the neutral signature and every change you make in your setup makes a huge difference and it keeps the hobby existing You can play around and find what you like It always delivers excitement in a different way
@michbest
@michbest 5 ай бұрын
Do you play with power cords with it? Once I wrote it I know it may sound a bit dreadfull sorry :) No but seriously. Did you?
@johnsanders9688
@johnsanders9688 Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Audiolab 600a, to me less forward sounding with more separation! Better mid-range as well, Thank you for sharing!
@user-tw8qo5dj8h
@user-tw8qo5dj8h Жыл бұрын
Cambridge win for me
@Zoneho
@Zoneho Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this test ! At first I was quickly convinced by the Audiolab, then on the last song, I prefer the Cambridge, it's more dynamic. It's a shame it doesn't have a phono input. I think it's 2 very good amp, but which can be better than the other on a very specific type of music.
@VinnieMoore1986
@VinnieMoore1986 Жыл бұрын
Audiolab👍🏼
@zeroone4497
@zeroone4497 Жыл бұрын
Cambridge👍🏼
@pinkypoohable
@pinkypoohable 11 ай бұрын
Audiolab is livelier and engaging. Cambridge is mellower and refined.
@apmihai82
@apmihai82 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again for this comparison video. I gotta say you kinda read my mind- i was looking for such a device within 1000EUR bracket. I can't help but notice quite some differences sound wise. CXA sounds warmer a bit vshaped, while the Audiolab seems so detailed and flatter sounding and perhaps brings the soundstage further to the front. Which one do you prefer with these speakers? By the way what speakers are they?
@georgedomse
@georgedomse Жыл бұрын
This is a pair of Falcon RAM Studio 20's, kind of a large british monitor speaker. Indeed the CXA is a bit moe V shaped with all its pros and cons. It has stronger bass but less clarity in the midrange (especially vocals). At the same time the vocals have more texture with the CXA. It's kinda like paper - the Audiolab is a sheet of A4 sketching paper. Clean, white and smooth. The CXA is more of a grit of grit1000 sand paper - rough, dark but interesting.
@AlexAlex-nh3zx
@AlexAlex-nh3zx 6 ай бұрын
Gdzie można kupić falcon20
@michbest
@michbest 5 ай бұрын
​@@AlexAlex-nh3zx Jak zapytasz chłopie po angielsku to moze sie dowiesz ehhh
@robinkleinsteuber5217
@robinkleinsteuber5217 Ай бұрын
The Cambridge tried to caress me, with seducing tonality, and it did, but the AudioLab grabbed me by the collar and rammed the music in a most unapologetical and unabridged way into my earholes, with all the beauty and warts present. Totally gobsmacked! Well, between the two, I would have bought the AudioLab on the spot! Thank you, sir, for the video! 😊👍🍺
@doifeellucky
@doifeellucky 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comparison. I have the CXA60 with some Dali Zensor 3’s. I actually can’t fault it for the money, especially as it’s used more for film and TV audio, but I’m wondering how much better a £1500 amp and £1500 set of speakers would sound by comparison.
@koonek
@koonek 4 ай бұрын
Great demo! Which one of these amps will pair better with Dali Oberon 3 in your opinion? And which amp in general you liked the best with Oberons? Thank you in advance for answering, cheers!
@matox4865
@matox4865 7 ай бұрын
i own cxa61 and sf lumina 1 speackers and they sound amazing together
@belamischl3956
@belamischl3956 Жыл бұрын
Nekem jobban tetszett az Audiolab. Mindenből többet adott szerintem. U.I. Tetszenek a videóit. Köszönöm
@user-te6vk3cd2o
@user-te6vk3cd2o 9 ай бұрын
A Cambridge lényegesen jobb, teltebb, ütősebb, természetesebb és zeneibb, részletesebb, jobb a 3Dképalkotás és a hangszín. Főleg a CXA-81-ben. Az ilyen youtube-os tesztek nem érnek semmit! ŰDV!
@mahredha
@mahredha Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this test I've the 6000A and happy with it. I would like to know which set of bookshelves is used here?
@georgedomse
@georgedomse Жыл бұрын
This is a pair of Falcon RAM Studio 20's. Really nice british sound with some added top end clarity.
@mahredha
@mahredha Жыл бұрын
@@georgedomse never heard them nor heard of them before, but they seems really good.
@34332
@34332 8 ай бұрын
Overall I prefer the Audiolab for it's detail and 'neutral' presentation, owned one too. Voices and guitar 'pop' , with clarity, and good pinpointing within the soundstage. However, it isn't the most dynamic amp and dislikes less sensitive speakers. Btw, didn't know the speaker brand, but they sound quite good.
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 8 ай бұрын
Falcon is one of the oldest and most renowned british manufacturers, sharing some history with Kef and ProAc.
@34332
@34332 8 ай бұрын
@@georgedomse Never too old to learn, tx!
@jianboo
@jianboo 9 ай бұрын
I must have missed it but what speaker brand model was used here? Can you also share the speaker cable and power cable used for the cambridge audio? Thanks in advance.
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 9 ай бұрын
I used a DIY power cable (3 Titanex cables in a braided fashion and Viborg plugs) and Hidiamond D3 speaker cables.
@jianboo
@jianboo 9 ай бұрын
@@georgedomse Thanks, what speaker was used in this video?
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 9 ай бұрын
@@jianbooFalcon RAM Studio 20.
@jianboo
@jianboo 9 ай бұрын
@@georgedomse got it, thank you
@rupertherbert594
@rupertherbert594 9 ай бұрын
Audiolab seems to be more neutral and more midrange, opening the stage, even if itś a bit less controlled on low frequencies, but absolutely it don't perform well with metal. Remember a bit the tube sound to me, probably very good for jazz or similar. Then, Audiolab has a phono stage but not USB type B port, while Cambridge has USB B but not the phono input, With both of these one have to purchase either some external apparel if both are used. Thanks for the comparison test :)
@garypalmer5031
@garypalmer5031 2 ай бұрын
Hi, I love your sound of your speaker. What brand of speakers where you using if I may ask
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 2 ай бұрын
Falcon RAM Studio 20 speakers.
@ramipo1
@ramipo1 6 ай бұрын
which speakers?
@rayfordham9230
@rayfordham9230 8 ай бұрын
As usual with Audiolab for me it's all there but comes over as if any musicians are not very interested in what they are doing just going through the motions, as if to say ''well there it is take it or leave it '' and over the years the presentation seems to be the same, mind you i haven't heard their present range of amps in the flesh as it were. But I've nearly always finished up looking round the room at demos interest being lost. I once listened to the Planet Suit at a Demo using their amps playing Mars the bringer of war it came across as so matter of fact nobody was in the mood for a punch up, back at home on my rather more modest system with small stand mounts playing the same thing it sounded like the Martians were really out to give someone some grief. So the Cambridge gets the thumbs up at least it tried.
@eamonndoyle4753
@eamonndoyle4753 10 ай бұрын
I have to give it to Audiolab.
@handokosetiawan2803
@handokosetiawan2803 Жыл бұрын
I prefer CXA, it sounds balance. Audiolab sounds a little bit boomy and bright.
@leonsamsworth9957
@leonsamsworth9957 9 ай бұрын
Probably a stupid question, but how did you get your TV to show what's playing?
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 9 ай бұрын
That is the Spotify app running on the tv, which is connected via optical cable to the amp for sound.
@michbest
@michbest 5 ай бұрын
A fckin spotify? Wow. No comment...
@basiema.4185
@basiema.4185 8 ай бұрын
Sorry but do you really believe that with this set-up of the loudspeakers (much too close to the side walls and the rear wall, distance between both speakers to narrow in relation to the listening position) even a halfway realistic sound judgement would be possible? I doubt this very much...By the way, it is also not the best idea to stream music via Spotify to show sound differences, because Spotify still does not offer lossless audio.
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 8 ай бұрын
All I hear is a bunch of random fake audiophile gibberish. You my man don't listen to music, you listen to components, and that's f*d up. Also, as stated already at least 200 times, this channel is not for you. Not for anyone. Not for anybody to compare sounds. It is for me, myself and I to document what I had here in the room. I coudn't care less what you hear and think.
@DougMen1
@DougMen1 11 ай бұрын
The Cambridge is significantly better, fuller, punchier, more natural and musical, more detailed, better imaging and soundstage, and the Audiolab just sounds thinner, more closed in, more artificial, more veiled, and more like a recording and less like real music.
@18yearsoldnot
@18yearsoldnot 3 ай бұрын
It depends if you have a system already and you wanted a secondary system that sounds a bit less creamy and “British” I.e. not forward or dynamic enough to some people’s taste say if you listened to heavy metal music
@janpagsberg6551
@janpagsberg6551 7 ай бұрын
Audiolab 💪🏻
@josedominguez8131
@josedominguez8131 9 ай бұрын
Cambridge!👈
@Ionknomen
@Ionknomen Ай бұрын
From what I can hear, the vocal seems to be more forward on the Cambridge vs on the Audiolab, can you confirm this :D just wondering if this is true from a real listener perspective.
@AlexAlex-nh3zx
@AlexAlex-nh3zx 9 ай бұрын
Witam ile kosztują te głośniki?
@jack09101
@jack09101 6 ай бұрын
A masz któryś z tych wzmacniaczy ?
@Julian-el3fd
@Julian-el3fd 6 ай бұрын
El Cambridge es un poco más impactante y el Audiolab me suena algo más natural. Podría vivir con ambos.
@Cephas144
@Cephas144 6 ай бұрын
the magic is from your power cord I noticed that there's a thick cord in the outlet.
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 6 ай бұрын
I've been using DIY power cables and a HiDiamond D3 power chord at that time.
@TuomasRauhala
@TuomasRauhala 6 ай бұрын
Audiolab takes it all the way!
@dmitriygarcusha3399
@dmitriygarcusha3399 3 ай бұрын
Audiolab - Vocal, Jazz. Cambridge - rock
@46dude41
@46dude41 27 күн бұрын
for my tastes, clearly audiolab.
@AdiMaco
@AdiMaco 5 ай бұрын
On Disco, Jazz/Rock, and Female Voice, AudioLab 6000A is way, way better than Cambridge CXA61. On the last heavy metal song, CXA61 was better, I mean, I liked it more, which proves the point that I make on the audiophile forums that there are no universal amplifiers, there are no amplifiers that sound the best on every musical style, even if from an electric point of view, it should be. All the best!
@luigiwhite5201
@luigiwhite5201 3 ай бұрын
no matter. the audiolab is far superior. more image, space, cleaness
@tonyreitbauer6026
@tonyreitbauer6026 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, George, for going into great lengths with these comparisons which are always interesting. Equally are the evaluations of the listeners. As far as I am conccerned, I preferred the Audiolab, but would have to listen to both amps under real conditions to make an ultimate judgement. While listening to your sample of "You and Your Friend" by Dire Straits on the computer, I thought I'd like to listen to the record on my living room system. Mark Knopfler is one of my favourite composers, guitar players and especially arrangers. My system consists of a Linn LP12 with a Goldring Ethos MC (replaced a Linn Klyde and took an eternity to run in), a Naim Nait 5i amp (which is getting on a bit), a REGA Fono MC Mk4 pre-amp, and Linn Saras (the orignials and I love them). I hadn't listened to "You and Your Friends" for quite a while and was blown away. The bass rendition, the detailing and separation, the room-filling volume without being overly loud: simply fantastic!. I then decided to download the tune from Tidal and have it played via the Bluesound Node X- still with the Naim Nait 5i etc.- and was a bit disappointed by the lack of body, three-dimentionality and depth compared with the tune played on vinyl. "Brothers in Arms" and "Sailing to Philadelphia" played via the Node X had sounded fantasttic. This leads me to the conclusion that "CD quality (Flac 16/44.1)" streamed isn't the be-all and and end-all.
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 2 ай бұрын
That album sounds awesome, especially the Japanese version. A good record player, a well built phono stage and the Japanese pressing of You and Your Friend and you can get prepared for an awesome time.
@tonyreitbauer6026
@tonyreitbauer6026 2 ай бұрын
@@georgedomse I've only got the run-of.the-mill Dutch pressing, but even that one is good. By the way, thank you for replying. My Naim Nait 5i is getting tired and I am looking for a replacement, but being a pensioner .... . The problem are the Linn Saras which need a bit of power to get the best out of them. I just love the sound - what am I saying? - the music they still produce after so many years! I like your comparisons. Unfortunatel , my Mac via an old Marantz PM50 and Ruark Epilogues cannot replicate any of your comparisons properly. That is very unfortunate!
@jari121
@jari121 Жыл бұрын
Audiolab is better with these speakers.
@maxpetros
@maxpetros 5 ай бұрын
audiolab is clearly more musical!
@igoriusdickens3725
@igoriusdickens3725 3 ай бұрын
Hello. Cambridge is better! The audiolab lifts up the upper middle and sounds brighter.
@sensualandu
@sensualandu Жыл бұрын
I think for metal audiolab is better... and more cheaper.
@Reinh4444
@Reinh4444 4 ай бұрын
Sorry to say but no optimal speaker position, speakers tend to boom and rumble unprecisely due to be positioned in the corner
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't care. Don't linke it? Don't watch it. So simple, isn't it.
@Reinh4444
@Reinh4444 4 ай бұрын
@@georgedomse Vloggers are always touchy and hypersensitive to justified criticism 😃🖐️Don't do vlogging if you can't stand this... So simple, isn't it?
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 4 ай бұрын
@@Reinh4444oh, so I ama "vlogger"? :D Listen here dude, I don't give a flying crap about what you think or what you call me. I stated on thiss channel at least 20 times, that this channel is not intended for you or anyone else to watch. Also, on numerous videos I posted room measurements (again, not for the viewer, but for my own reference later). Yet, you come here, without educating yourself on this info, listen to the video, try to take advantage of work someone else has done for free and criticise with something that has been said by dozens before you AND has been known and posted by myself. AND you come back a 2nd time spewing you BS. Asshat.
@vonjuergen
@vonjuergen 9 ай бұрын
0:40 1:58 9:29 10:57 9:44 11:13
@badhusband1902
@badhusband1902 21 күн бұрын
The volume is different huh, the audiolab is slightly louder than Cambridge, so people are going to like audiolab more.
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 21 күн бұрын
I really wish people would care to read the descriptions, comments etcetc before they comment. This would spare them looking dumb and me a lot of explaining. EVERY SINGLE ONE of my videos are volume matched at 1kHz, being the frequency least affected by my room. If you care about music and sound in general you'll know, that this does not mean anything though, because perceived volume depends a lot on the EQ curve of the components in question. Every single amp, speaker etc that has more mids (2.5kHz to 8kHz, approximately) will SOUND louder but still have the same measured dB value. This is how all of music mixing works and has worked for a century. This is how you mix your instuments in a band setting. So no, one is not louder than the other; it just has a different frequency response, and this is EXACTLY what you would want to hear from a comparison video.
@petrvodkin5001
@petrvodkin5001 2 ай бұрын
Speakers have plasticky sound. What's the point of comparison?
@georgedomse
@georgedomse 2 ай бұрын
To find deaf assholes. Look, I found one!
@petrvodkin5001
@petrvodkin5001 2 ай бұрын
@@georgedomse No offence, my friend, just find good speakers with paper cones, and then hear same amps, and deafness will go away).
@tiborkusi4944
@tiborkusi4944 2 ай бұрын
cxa61 hrá skvelé a audioláb je z iného sveta pôsobý rušivo.
@khawfang12
@khawfang12 9 ай бұрын
Audiolab สดใส กว่า
@RPSartre01
@RPSartre01 5 ай бұрын
The CXA61 bluetooth is atrocious!!!
@khawfang12
@khawfang12 9 ай бұрын
ลำโพง อะไร
@musiconvinylisbetter.1449
@musiconvinylisbetter.1449 4 ай бұрын
Audiolab has better pace, linearity and the lyrics are better on it.
@PaoloGenziniCremonese
@PaoloGenziniCremonese Ай бұрын
L'Audiolab ha il palcoscenico ampio e piatto, il Cambridge stretto e profondo.. sono uno l'opposto dell' altro.. per me Audiolab batte Cambridge 10 a 0...ma sono gusti..
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