August 26 - Queen Anne Boleyn takes her chamber to prepare for childbirth

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The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society

The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society

4 жыл бұрын

On this day in Tudor history, 26th August 1533, Queen Anne Boleyn, second wife of King Henry VIII, prepared for the birth of her first child by "taking her chamber" at Greenwich Palace. This child was of course the future Queen Elizabeth I.
"Taking her chamber" was common practice in Tudor England, and in today's talk, Claire Ridgway, author of "The Fall of Anne Boleyn: A Countdown", explains all of the rituals and traditions involved, as well as describing what Anne Boleyn's chamber would have been like.
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@iTsEfFiNsTePhh
@iTsEfFiNsTePhh 4 жыл бұрын
I have so much respect for our ancestors for being able to go through such painful things before modern medicine. I don't know if you've heard of Fanny Burney she was an 18th century author i've been reading a book about her it's her journals and letters, I just got to the point where she talks about being diagnosed with breast cancer and her mastectomy. She was the first recorded woman to have it done before anesthesia was invented. It's mind blowing that people were able to live through such things and cope don't think there's anyone now a days who could handle it we're so used to everything being pain free. Good job on the vids Claire ❤️
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Without anaesthetic! I just can't imagine what that would be like. It is definitely mind-blowing. What's the book you're reading?
@gidzmobug2323
@gidzmobug2323 4 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles Packard's "Victoria's Daughters" records that Victoria used chloroform for the births of her two youngest children (Leopold and Beatrice). She was heavily criticized by some for it.
@lacouerfairy
@lacouerfairy 4 жыл бұрын
John Adams' daughter Nabby also had a mastectomy and survived it. But eventually died from her cancer.
@juliedurden1320
@juliedurden1320 4 жыл бұрын
Katheryne Koelker this reminds me of a scene in the 1970’s BBC TV series “Edward the King” about the life of King Edward VII. Annette Crosbie played Queen Victoria in the series. There is a scene where she had just given birth to one of her younger children with the aid of chloroform. One of her advisors said,” But the Church condemns the use of chloroform.” Queen Victoria replied, “The Church is run by MEN!” LOL I don’t know if that is historically correct, but it was certainly amusing! LOL
@shelleygibbons1065
@shelleygibbons1065 4 жыл бұрын
Can not even imagine
@chiaroscuroamore
@chiaroscuroamore 4 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how stuffy it would have been in the room in Summer! Anne must have been pleased that she didn’t have to spend 4-6 weeks in confinement. Must have been stifling and gloomy in the room, Anne and her companions must have been wishing they could get outside. Thanks for the in-depth description of the chamber and how it was decorated. Can’t wait to see what tomorrow’s video will bring! And I hope you’ve been able to keep cool in the hot weather over there 😁❤️
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
I would have been at that window all the time, breathing in the fresh air! It's a little cooler now - mid to late 20s rather than mid to late 30s (degrees celsius). Thank you!
@aimee2234
@aimee2234 4 жыл бұрын
I have read so many books where women gave birth in such stifling conditions and with the style of the period it sounds miserable even for a couple weeks. Thank you, Claire!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
At least they had company, it would be awful being by yourself.
@aimee2234
@aimee2234 4 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles so true!
@daughteroftime8047
@daughteroftime8047 4 жыл бұрын
I've always thought she went into confinement late so as to not be away from court for too long. She knew how much her presence held sway with Henry.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps so.
@thereseo6008
@thereseo6008 3 жыл бұрын
Anne and Henry had only been married since January 25 of that year so the earliest that baby should have been arriving was October 25. In real life Ann was almost certainly pregnant at their wedding but to keep up appearances the baby’s official due date could be no earlier than late October
@6falconsue
@6falconsue 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to hear about Anne's confinement. I'm feeling a little claustrophobic!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@Story-Voracious66
@Story-Voracious66 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Claire, that was so informative. Again I have been given a view into a room which has long since disappeared. You bring history to life for us. I am glad that Anne's confinement was fairly brief, as I suspect that she would have hated being cooped up.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
It must have been hard being cooped up like that.
@cocola485
@cocola485 4 жыл бұрын
So hard to grasp that things turned out as they did for Anne.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, everything happened so fast.
@cherylreed7523
@cherylreed7523 4 жыл бұрын
Poor Anne...poor anyone to be shut up like that in a room to have a baby...the trappings of the room sound rich & luxurious...but imagine just being in one room..heavily pregnant for weeks before the birth..with just one window...it sounds like a blue cocoon!.! It's sweltering today..I hope it wasn't this warm & stuffy for Anne & her ladies....thankyou Claire as always for this great video😁
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
August can be a hot and humid month in the UK so it could have been very hot and stuffy for Anne - poor woman!
@maryh4650
@maryh4650 4 жыл бұрын
The poor lady, it must have been quite an ordeal, it's hot tonight and I've got the window open!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it must have been stifling. How hot is it there at the moment?
@dianelloyd7464
@dianelloyd7464 4 жыл бұрын
Claire it’s up to 32 degrees today...too hot! Lol
@kathrynelliott3469
@kathrynelliott3469 4 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to return from a UK holiday recently and I was able to include Hampton Court and Hever Castle on my itinerary. I enjoyed these locations even more since becoming a subscriber to your channel, and it was incredible to be able to finally put a visual reality to my mental understanding of at least part of my Tudor obsession. Thanks for your insights!
@Patrick3183
@Patrick3183 4 жыл бұрын
There was an ad for “Sandals Luxury Resort” offering a “honeymoon special” sorta interesting ad to have to see before watching a video about Anne Boleyn. Hardly a happy marriage. The “confinement” was a shocking thing IMO. It was almost like imprisonment. No wonder they were so ill and dying etc. if I had to spend the final weeks of my pregnancy (Speaking hypothetically ... I am a man) in a crowded, hyper upholstered room , staring at baroque patterned bed hangings, totally bizarre and unhappy , how did that practice develop?
@Clarke22303
@Clarke22303 4 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I found your channel! I find all the daily information so enlightening. It gives so more depth to what I already know. Thank you!
@spencersfarm
@spencersfarm 4 жыл бұрын
I presume Anne and Henry wanted to delay the taking of her chamber for as long as possible, to avoid emphasising that she was already pregnant when Henry married her.
@phyllisruthmick5391
@phyllisruthmick5391 4 жыл бұрын
You've made a very, very good point. I couldn't agree more with you. 👍✌🏻😺💟
@CherylGormanAuthor
@CherylGormanAuthor 4 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos today! Thank you!
@loriwatters8661
@loriwatters8661 4 жыл бұрын
Could not wait today, your posts are usually my bedtime treat! Thanks Clair xo
@TheRimbaldine
@TheRimbaldine 4 жыл бұрын
Same!🙂
@peachypossum30
@peachypossum30 4 жыл бұрын
Same 😍
@Manuelrrrrrran
@Manuelrrrrrran 4 жыл бұрын
just got your book , the fall of anne boleyn a countdown, and IM LOVING IT, amazing book
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Aw, thank you! That's so wonderful to hear.
@rycoli
@rycoli 5 ай бұрын
So interesting Claire ❤thank you!
@loisb.5814
@loisb.5814 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Claire, love your videos as always
@charlottebruce979
@charlottebruce979 4 жыл бұрын
My daughter was born on the 7th September 1999, one of her middle names is Elizabeth as it's a family name but after Elizabeth the first too, I'm a massive Tudor buff. She was my first born also. Luckily my husband didn't kill me but he did get rid of me years later in divorce.
@shizumaakiyama3129
@shizumaakiyama3129 4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, love your voice. Keep it up.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@barbaraconnolly9000
@barbaraconnolly9000 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Claire. Have you done any research on the possibility of Henry having Kell positive Blood, causing losses of babies after first pregnancy, and possibly McClouds syndrome, which may have caused his awful behaviour as he aged?
@gidzmobug2323
@gidzmobug2323 4 жыл бұрын
Anne might have had a disorder that might have resulted in future pregnancies resulting in miscarriages.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
I've read Kyra Kramer's work in it and it is very interesting. It is frustrating that we'll never know.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think we can make a judgement on Anne as she had one successful pregnancy, one miscarriage and one mystery pregnancy (we don't know what happened), whereas Catherine really did have problems as she was pregnant at least six times, and out of them only 2 resulted in a living child, the others were stillbirths.
@barbaraconnolly9000
@barbaraconnolly9000 4 жыл бұрын
@@gidzmobug2323 hi. He got many women pregnant once, but there were all ways issues after first birth. Katherine of Aragon had many pregnancies, with typical miscarriages etc, that goes with a problem. I do think the problem laid with Henry, not the women.
@barbaraconnolly9000
@barbaraconnolly9000 4 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles it really is. Read up bit more on K ell and Mclouds and he is quite typical, it's a great theory. Especially as he went from an ok personality to a quite barbaric and unreasonable one.
@Lyndell-P
@Lyndell-P 2 жыл бұрын
🇭🇲🦘 Wonderful video explaining Queen Anne Boleyn taking her chamber (with her ladies) in 1533 prior to what would be Elizabeth's birth. Most interesting! "Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
@kimmaried.7313
@kimmaried.7313 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you ❣️
@dorothywillis1
@dorothywillis1 4 жыл бұрын
We should remember that such extreme behavior was limited to those who could afford it. I imagine there were many, many women who thought, "Two or three months of doing nothing? I could manage that!" It is true that the stuffiness of the rooms must have been terrible. Perhaps Anne said she expected the child to be born a month or so later so she wouldn't have to be in the Margaret-Beaufort-mandated isolation so long!
@territ7952
@territ7952 4 жыл бұрын
I was pregnant myself during August, living in Florida, oh heavens, I can only imagine poor Anne, in a stuffy room, wearing all the heavy clothes etc. such a interesting video, thanks lady clarie, always mistreating to see every day sort of things such as what the birthing practices were, thanks again for taking time out to share🇬🇧🥰🇬🇧🥰🇬🇧🥰
@dianelloyd7464
@dianelloyd7464 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting me know, Claire. I trust your judgement and authority in all things Tudor. 👍🏻. X
@paulaloud65
@paulaloud65 4 жыл бұрын
Another fascinating video. Thanks, Claire! "Taking to her chamber" sounds stifling. The bells tolling seemed to confirm that. 😉 I ordered your book and it arrived today so I can follow along each day.
@Cate7451
@Cate7451 4 жыл бұрын
I was just watching the British Museum channel season 2. It is about Elizabeth the first and a couple of miniatures, a gold ring with carving of the Queen in profile. White for the face and black brown for the onyx background. It's that full lower lip that draws my attention as it looks like It's from the drawing of Anne Boleyn by Hans Holbien the younger. To my eyes Elizabeth has her mother's mouth!
@peachymeechie1844
@peachymeechie1844 4 жыл бұрын
I have always wondered if these period of taking to the chamber may have caused some of the sicknesses for mother and baby after she gave birth, because just imagining all the stale air in those rooms and also I would imagine after being in there with a ton of people around and not being able to open windows could have trapped in bacteria or the darkness and maybe even damp air could have worsened these types of bacteria because they like dark and damp and imagine them all sweating in there. Ewww just unimaginable, and then to not know about hygiene like now. So they touch everything no soap with antibacterial properties and then touching momma's to deliver the babies. Did they ever notice that infant mortality rates or mother's mortality rates change after they stopped this practice? Or did any doctors of that time notice anything like this veing the cause of sickness or disease or even death in those times, or was this the norm in all of Europe at the time? I know that's a lot of questions to answer, but I can just imagine that the confinement may have been worse on baby and mom instead of doing them good. I can understand doing this if only a few people were coming in and out, but since this was a social occasion and the queen being the queen you could just imagine how many people wanted to see or be a part of the royal birth in some way shape or form. Heck I would have even liked to see what they did then, even knowing what we know now. It's just all so interesting!! I love Tudor history, well all history, but Tudor history is the best! Lol! Thank you Claire for always sharing something interesting with us.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes and a common woman would have a midwife in attendance, a woman experienced at helping women give birth, whereas a queen would tend to have male physicians who weren't so experienced. I think they understood being clean, but not the need for everything to be sterile. Sad!
@peachymeechie1844
@peachymeechie1844 4 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles yes it truly was such a sad time for mothers and babies! What I've always thought was that poor Jane Seymour died because she was a queen and didn't have a midwife. If they had only known what we know now. She may have survived and been able to give Henry many more baby boys! It's all so sad! 😢
@maggieholland8202
@maggieholland8202 3 жыл бұрын
@Hannah Dyson jane seymore had a royal midwife and a male doctor. Royal midwifes actually did less births than common midwifes (common people did have midwives) so they were less experienced and it is believed the midwife didn't properly deliver the placenta causing Jane's death. So birth was more dangerous for the royals simply because their midwives got less practice
@prarieborn6458
@prarieborn6458 2 жыл бұрын
@@maggieholland8202 Midwives who attended the nobility and especially royal births risked their own lives if all did nonot go well.. I have read so many historical novels and historically it was the midwife /wise woman/granny goodwitch who had the skills and knowlege. Physicians did not “take over” the practice until later centuries. Sometimes if a very important woman, ie a duchess or wife of a powerful man was approaching confinement, the local midwives would find a reason to be unavailable, such as reporting her hands and arms had a rash, or leave the area to visit elsewhere. If a baby died, or was deformed, the midwife got blamed and she could be suspect, imprisoned , tried for withcraft. The stories of babies being switched at birth probably came from situations like that. A healthy infant was smuggled in and the sickly or dead one smuggled out. One novel with an incident like that. is “ A Vision of Light”. One of the herbas used was rosemary oil. The midwife would dip her hands in it before she touched the female parts of woman in labor. A midwife had to often reach inside to bring a baby out safely. Woman’s hands, being small were best instead of a man’s larger hands
@Ladybug-uf7uh
@Ladybug-uf7uh 4 жыл бұрын
Carpets, tapestries, walls lined in arras cloth. What an unsanitary room. Imagine common women giving birth with next to nothing; it is no wonder so many babies didn't live, so many women died in childbirth. Amazing how things change but stay the same. Thank you, Claire, this amazing upload.
@trishayamada807
@trishayamada807 4 жыл бұрын
smartoldlady that’s why as tough as times can be today, I’m still thrilled to be living now. Then I think we all came from really strong people who survived childbirth, childhood, plagues, leprosy, sexually transmitted diseases, terrible working conditions and wars. I always wonder who my relatives were back then.
@6falconsue
@6falconsue 4 жыл бұрын
@@trishayamada807 I was at the dentist last week to have an old crown replaced and I felt quite grateful not to be living in Tudor times when just about everyone had rotten and/or missing teeth at some point, I imagine. Don't forget to floss--lol!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
And the fact that the queen was attended by royal physicians, men with little experience in childbirth, whereas a common woman could have the village midwife, an experienced woman.
@darlenefarmer5921
@darlenefarmer5921 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@iamagoogler3324
@iamagoogler3324 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@tracyh8537
@tracyh8537 4 жыл бұрын
It is possible that she didn’t enter her chamber early. If traditionally this took place 4-6 before the due date then perhaps she entered at the correct time? I don’t know what people in the Tudor period considered to be the “due date” but now, we consider the due date to be 40 weeks gestation. So, if Anne entered her chamber 4 weeks before the due date that would have been at 36 weeks. However, only 5% of babies are actually born on their due date. Nowadays we know that “full term” in a pregnancy is considered to be anywhere between 37 and 42 weeks gestation, with the due date being given to women as the date they are 40 weeks and 0 days gestation. When Anne gave birth on September 7th, she may have been “full term” at 37weeks, having entered her chamber within the traditional 4 weeks prior to the due date. Kind of depends on how the Tudors calculated their due date??
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
IIt's more that she entered her chamber late, with Elizabeth coming on 7th September. There's no evidence that Elizabeth was particularly small or there being concerns about her, so I expect that she was on time and that Anne had conceived before 25th January marriage. However, I can't see Anne and Henry risking an illegitimate child, so I go with Hall's account of a secret marriage taking place on 14th November 1532. That makes sense to me, in that they started co-habiting after that point.
@almontepaolilli4909
@almontepaolilli4909 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you for the insight into preparation for birth taken by women of this time.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
That's ok, it's something I'm really interested in.
@sassytbc7923
@sassytbc7923 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Claire, was the birthing room usually a part of the Queen's regular rooms, or a separate room in a different area used only for births? you mentioned birthing equipment... that actually sounds somewhere between interesting and terrifying
@theresecatalano4017
@theresecatalano4017 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I would have liked confinement in a dark stuffy room...not matter how pretty the tapestries were! Ugh! Anne didn’t have the benefit of knowing what we know...for her the birth of a healthy girl might be a minor disappointment...but not a concern...the next one would surely be a son. Thank you for sharing Claire!
@shizumaakiyama3129
@shizumaakiyama3129 4 жыл бұрын
Therese Catalano if anne could had known that Elizabeth was going to be one of the best rulers of england.
@peachymeechie1844
@peachymeechie1844 4 жыл бұрын
Even though she wasn't a son, she was a King of England too! She had the heart and the stomach of one! I love Elizabeth she was such a strong and powerful woman and leader!! So in a sense she did better than having a son!!
@ladyv5655
@ladyv5655 4 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth may initially have been a disappointment, but there is evidence that at least her mother doted on her. Henry was probably fond of her as much as he was capable of, considering his preference for a son.
@theresecatalano4017
@theresecatalano4017 4 жыл бұрын
I wasn’t really thinking so much about Elizabeth’s future as I was of Anne’s & how she didn’t know in less than 3 years she would be charged with treason. But yes she does have the last laugh because Elizabeth becomes a great queen.
@lindadillon3061
@lindadillon3061 4 жыл бұрын
This was the first time I have seen an ad during the recording.
@marymackenzie7283
@marymackenzie7283 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Anne pregnant before she married Henry? If so, perhaps she delayed her confinement to make it look like she was due much later than she actually was.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Well, she was pregnant before their 25th January wedding, but Edward Hall gives 14th November 1532 as the date of a secret marriage and they did start co-habiting after that date, so I expect they did have a wedding or betrothal then.
@aliciatucker3713
@aliciatucker3713 4 жыл бұрын
I gave birth to my youngest son without any pain meds at all but it would have been the confinement that killed me, lol!!!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Ha! Yes!
@theresapierce3934
@theresapierce3934 4 жыл бұрын
I too gave birth without pain killers and came home later that day. I would have gone stir crazy In hospital God knows what i would have done in a birthing chamber.
@lisabelmontage
@lisabelmontage 4 жыл бұрын
I like how hopeful Anne and Henry were. Even after the birth adding an extra ss showed what a happy time it was for the couple. Less than two weeks was a short confinement.
@nancybeveridgetaylor3256
@nancybeveridgetaylor3256 4 жыл бұрын
Love your lavender shirt!
@susannestein3955
@susannestein3955 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Claire!! I always thought it would be so smothering to be locked away to give birth! I don't know how the queens did it lol, but then again, I suppose not going into confinement just wasn't an option.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
It was the ritual of the day, the norm, so Anne wouldn't have seen it as optional.
@regina3743
@regina3743 4 жыл бұрын
If only Anne could have known this little bundle was going to be so important! Elizabeth was a Virgo, btw...
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, if only Henry had realised too!
@lucypokes
@lucypokes 4 жыл бұрын
I found this video randomly, and as I'm Anne's great fan, I'm your fan now, too!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yay! Welcome to my channel. As an Anne fan, you'll enjoy my playlists of Anne videos: Questions about Anne Boleyn - kzfaq.info/sun/PLepqWJ7TpkrKpzoJ8DPHBLgzGr0Gg2IcU The Fall of Anne Boleyn - kzfaq.info/sun/PLepqWJ7TpkrIov3Augf3dy9QDBFL1yViK
@peachymeechie1844
@peachymeechie1844 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Claire I was just curious about the ad I got in the middle of the video. Does it help if I watch it all the way thru!? I heard some where that if you get an ad and it's one of your fave KZfaqrs to watch it to help the channel out, and so if this is true I won't skip anymore, because this is my all-time favorite channel! So if it helps let me know I'll watch it!
@maryannlockwood7806
@maryannlockwood7806 4 жыл бұрын
Michelle Godoy 🇺🇸I’ve been wondering the same thing myself. However I hate it when there’s an ad in the middle of a video. 🇬🇧
@peachymeechie1844
@peachymeechie1844 4 жыл бұрын
@@maryannlockwood7806 I had never gotten one until today, but I would watch it for her channel if it helped, but I can't say the same for but a few other channels, but I love this channel!
@maryannlockwood7806
@maryannlockwood7806 4 жыл бұрын
Michelle Godoy 🇺🇸I agree 100%. 🇬🇧
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 4 жыл бұрын
I have an ad blocker. I like to support favorite channels too and am willing to turn it off. Last time I did that for a channel that is supposed to help third world orphans, the ads came about every minute and a half and the program was unwatchable. Guess I'll let that series run all night sometime when I want some sound but otherwise plan to sleep. How many ads are on these videos? (Sorry, Claire, looks like I have not been properly supportive.):(
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not quite sure how the advertising works, but I think it does help KZfaq and me if you watch the ad rather than skip. Thank you for asking!
@purplepeace2188
@purplepeace2188 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your wonderfully informative video. Ann Boleyn is such an interesting person. Today women have relatively short labours due to modern drugs. In the 1800's and before labour would last 3 to 4 days!
@joannedavis1991
@joannedavis1991 4 жыл бұрын
Purple Peace just like King Henry’s third wife.
@kellyel8646
@kellyel8646 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Maybe she entered confinement later than usual because of the hot summer weather.
@pritibanerji8587
@pritibanerji8587 4 жыл бұрын
It does not surprise me that it was predicted that Anne would have a boy as the king would not be pleased and Anne knew that if she did not than her days would be numbered as was shown later
@elisabethbuckley5725
@elisabethbuckley5725 4 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling from Margaret Beaufort's instructions that when she gave birth herself in January in Pembroke Castle that it was absolutely freezing, you always over compensate when youve you've been very cold. Unfortunate if you were giving birth in a warm summer.
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering when this occasion would be presented. I had forgotten it was this close to the birth. Personally I favour the idea of a November wedding for Anne an Henry, St. Erkenwald's day or whatever. A September birth indicates conception in December. The official wedding in late January could/would = a late October birth. By January, Anne should have had an idea if she had gotten pregnant in late November or early December. I have never read that Princess Elizabeth had the appearance of a premature baby. Any way the days are counted, an October birth would be necessary to support the idea of conception after January marriage. Figuring from that date, there is little chance Elizabeth could have survived in those days if she was nearly two months premature. So, it would be interesting to know how Anne and Henry decided when she should enter confinement! Was Elizabeth kicking heartily by late August?
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. They started co-habiting after that November date so it makes sense to me.
@triciadeverese522
@triciadeverese522 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Anne was worried about going into her chamber as she would not be able to keep an eye on her husband. The king would take a mistress at this time and Anne could not turn a blind eye like Katherine had done throughput their marriage.
@TheAuntieBa
@TheAuntieBa 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! There is a documented link between stress during pregnancy and much higher rates of autism. Since autism can be severe, disability, which would be noticeable.
@peachypossum30
@peachypossum30 4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t the spiced ale stall the births?
@cmcruz86
@cmcruz86 4 жыл бұрын
Wine & Spices..? what would a lunch like that look like?
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
These would have been comfits, which tended to be strips of cinnamon coated in sugar syrup. Spiced wine, i.e. hypocras, was often served as well.
@dianaperrault2869
@dianaperrault2869 4 жыл бұрын
Hi from NC USA. I caught that Anne was given a spiced drink but was she also given other "medication" for her childbirth?
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
If Anne had had an experienced midwife then herbs and oils may have helped, but Anne would have had royal physicians with little experience of childbirth - poor woman!
@cindyrobinson3077
@cindyrobinson3077 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You Lord for what we have for child birth now
@shadrach6299
@shadrach6299 3 жыл бұрын
The deal is women want to go back to home births. It’s nuts!
@nancybeveridgetaylor3256
@nancybeveridgetaylor3256 4 жыл бұрын
Lady Margaret Beaufort was amazing. My mother had 16 pregnancies, my mother delivered us mostly in hospital, I, however, was delivered in an elevator!!
@edithvanderbol4839
@edithvanderbol4839 4 жыл бұрын
Well, a lot of women give birth in a hospital now...... that is also not so nice if you think about it. Birth is after all a normal thing not a medical emergency always. A woman is lucky if she can be in an environment that is safe and known to her. Relaxation is important during birth. I think that you have that in a birthing chamber.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
I was able to give birth at home with my third child and I was so much more relaxed. It was an amazing experience.
@edithvanderbol4839
@edithvanderbol4839 4 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles me too, with our only daughter. I planned to go to the hospital, but during labour changed my mind. Midwife was very supportive. A good experience.
@zumurudlilit
@zumurudlilit 4 жыл бұрын
Edith van der Bol childbirth is ALWAYS a medical emergency. This is a very dynamic proces and anything can go wrong in matters of seconds. My friend had a very light labour - in fact when she came to hospital expecting it to be an early stage she was almost done and gave birth in like 10 minutes. There was a lot of fun, smiles and jokes, she didn’t even sweat and then - a Niagara of blood. She lost consciousnes instantly, the OR was seconds away as big supplies of blood but they just couldn’t stop it and had to remove her uterus. At the age of 25. Had she been at home she would be dead. And her husband would have had a lot of cleaning.Blood is very hard to remove you know. Or maybe not? She wouldn’t have make it till the arrival of the ambulance. Let alone all way to the hospital. I am from the not so rich country - poland - but - one of the safest to give birth. Only three women in 100 000 die here. In Holand - 7 . In UK - 9. In USA - 12. How is it possible ? Well, probably we don’t mess with homebirths. Btw i have two sons and probably wouldn’t even need a midwife to have them, very easy deliveries but ... i was lucky.
@edithvanderbol4839
@edithvanderbol4839 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to make the point that Anne might have felt safe in the birthing environment she was in. It was the best since there was not really something better to get at the time....... What people choose nowadays is an other matter. I am happy to hear that your friend survived. For me the homebirth was a very good experience. People must choose what is best for them and accept that accidents happen. Even in hospitals.
@christinegatto7426
@christinegatto7426 4 жыл бұрын
What is that tattoo on your left arm?
@joansmith3296
@joansmith3296 3 жыл бұрын
I still remember a science class I had as a child where we learned that the sex of the child is actually determined by the man and the woman actually has nothing to do with it. It just so happened that right before this science class we learned about Henry V111 getting rid of several wives because they only gave him girls. I still remember thinking if had he known this would he have accepted this as scientific fact? Or still blamed his wives as the source of his disappointments? Given Henry's gigantic ego I doubt it.
@anna-karins1176
@anna-karins1176 4 жыл бұрын
It means Elizabeth was expected in late sptember or early october. Imakes one wonder when Elizabeth was concepted ?
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
II think she was probably born full-term. Anne and Henry had been co-habiting since their return to Calais, and I think Edward Hall is probably correct in dating an earlier secret marriage to 14th November. I can't see them holding out for all those years and suddenly sleeping together unless they'd had some kind of betrothal or marriage ceremony.
@daughterofpatriots3165
@daughterofpatriots3165 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think her mother was there as well?
@maryh4650
@maryh4650 4 жыл бұрын
probably. IF there was any room, with ALL the people that needed to be there as well
@marionarnott750
@marionarnott750 4 жыл бұрын
The 'confinement' always gives me the shudders. No fresh air to speak of, no exercise to help bring the baby on, playing cards etc in dim light for weeks on end. They must have longed to go out in the sunshine and stroll a little.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
There's no mention of her mother being in attendance but she may well have been as she did act as chaperone for Anne prior to her marriage.
@anna-karins1176
@anna-karins1176 4 жыл бұрын
Do we know which women "taking to their chambers" was in just queens and noble ladies" or did other women do it also ?
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
It was a ritual for everybody, and ended with a churching ceremony. However, a common woman who had a household or business to run would have "cheated" somewhat. She wouldn't have gone out in public though until she had been churched.
@thepeptalkplace
@thepeptalkplace 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder about fetal alcohol syndrome. An occasional glass of wine is considered safe, but they drank it all day, every day.
@Patrick3183
@Patrick3183 4 жыл бұрын
Annette Hamel interesting question ... I think the beer they drank was super low alcohol content , like 2%. They did of course know that alcohol makes you drink which is disgusting. Perhaps women were dissuaded from drinking strong wine or beer during pregnancy ... stick to milk Mayer
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Water was not safe to drink at that time unless you had access to a natural spring, so ale and wine were definitely better options. Samll ale, the ale enjoyed by pregnant women and children, was very weak, so wouldn't have caused any problems. Wine was stronger so could definitely have been a factor in infant mortality.
@AirQuotes
@AirQuotes 4 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles well no level of alcohol is safe for babies/children buuuut at the time due to the lack of access to safe drinking water, it was better then nothing. But the constant consumption of alcohol may explain a fair amount of the health issues people had.
@wendychavez5348
@wendychavez5348 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the wine often mulled? Heat nullifies the alcoholic properties, and sometimes they would plunge a hot poker into the mug just before drinking it so they got the flavor but killed the alcohol and boiled away any surviving bacteria. I forget where I heard that, possibly from a friend when we were discussing rum cake years ago, but it makes sense.
@AirQuotes
@AirQuotes 4 жыл бұрын
@@wendychavez5348 heating wine will mean alot of the alcohol will evaporate eventually but you'll never get rid of all of it.
@dmgib5239
@dmgib5239 4 жыл бұрын
I have so much respect for all the women who had to deal with the perils of childbirth at a time when they had such a primitive level of medical knowledge. Giving birth during the Tudor era was just as dangerous as fighting in the front lines at the battle of Bosworth field. They weren't even aware of the importance of hygiene when it came to preventing infections. Look at the disastrous effect this lack of knowledge had on the life of Henry VIII. He lost his beloved mother and his favorite wife (though I realize she may not have remained his favorite if she had lived, considering Henry VIII's track record with wives) to childbed fever, which I believe was a condition caused by lingering infections of internal wounds incurred during the actual births. That's no different than a soldier being wounded in battle, and eventually dying because the wounds became infected. Women who gave birth during the Tudor era were basically soldiers in their own right.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it was so risky at that time and I would say that it was even riskier for a royal woman as she was attended by royal physicians, men with very limited experience (if any!) of childbirth. Far better to be a common woman attended by the local midwife, a woman who would have been attending women on a regular basis.
@dianelloyd7464
@dianelloyd7464 4 жыл бұрын
I have read that Jane may actually have died from food poisoning and DVT (deep vein thrombosis). She was seemingly quite well after the birth and not suffering from infection but then ate fish and became very sick. The long periods of lying around and not moving may have caused her to develop a blood clot which, added to the weakness caused from severe sickness, was too much for her heart. It’s an interesting theory.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
@@dianelloyd7464 I haven't seen any source that states that she became sick after eating fish. From the development of her illness, it points more towards a retained placenta, or partial placenta. In "Tudor Life" magazine, we had a midwife write an article on it for us, and it was excellent. Like Anne, Jane would have had royal physicians, men who wouldn't have known the ins and outs of birth and who would not have known what a complete placenta should have looked like. A midwife probably would have spotted the problem adn may have been able to help. Her symptoms and progression of illness definitely fit with a retained placenta. Poor, poor woman.
@gidzmobug2323
@gidzmobug2323 4 жыл бұрын
Only one window to be open? Good grief! But that was 15th-century medicine..
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
I know! But they thought they were doing the right thing.
@tammielynne4089
@tammielynne4089 4 жыл бұрын
Henry the 8th , mother was a Elizabeth of York.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and Henry VII's was Lady Margaret Beaufort. Interesting women, both of them.
@yolandasizemore923
@yolandasizemore923 4 жыл бұрын
Was this Anne first born?
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, her first pregnancy.
@jeanfish7
@jeanfish7 4 жыл бұрын
She can be thankful she didn't have to give birth in August in the Mojave desert...103F today...
@jeanfish7
@jeanfish7 4 жыл бұрын
Kind of miss your red hair and braids :)
@sharoncole8249
@sharoncole8249 4 жыл бұрын
💖👑👑💖xx
@christinacharland1525
@christinacharland1525 4 жыл бұрын
How terrible to be locked up in that stuffy room that pregnant ugh poor Anne
@shelleygibbons1065
@shelleygibbons1065 4 жыл бұрын
Can not imagine hot and sticky and stuffy!,,
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