Terminators also have the benefit of the Rule of Cool

Teleporting assualt centurions with blood angels librarian dreadnaught is really fun. Doesnt always work but it is funny.

I wouldn’t risk buying centurions with the whole getting rid of first born units thing we got going on right now

I'm in the minority I know, but I've always hated how the Centurions look. I don't care how good they are, I can't stand them!

So many factions are dying of thirst, while the Space Marines are over here drowning

Oh boy a video about Aggressors, including a damage comparison! Surely the Flamestorm variant will be part of this disc-oh. No yeah that’s cool too.

Space wolves not only have their funky Terminator squad with some interesting weapon combinations, they get a lieutenant equivalent for lethal hits access. They can also be built like standard assault Terminators, but with a much more useful ability.

I love running a Spartian in casual games with my 6 Assault Centurions. with its 28 troop capacity it can transport the full squad of Centurions and 5 Terminators

Aggressors are the unit I learned to love. I had never heard of them before and they're just so, so fun and strong! I kinda feel like they outclass everyone else in gladius.

I've personally found taking a brick of aggresors and calgar works pretty well

Love the concept of this breakdown

Flamestorm aggressors with Salamanders with the Firestorm is great

great thing, also talking through the synergies and transport.. good work, thx!!!

We still don't have a Gravis lieutenant

Assault Centurions are fun in Sons of Sanguinius, +1 A is huge on something with just 3 attacks that then gets sustained 2 as well. Against monsters and vehicles on the charge they can kill most things, if you red rampage as well they will brutalise things. Issue is delivery you basically have to use a Land Raider and can only fit 3 of them, so you need a 240+ vehicles for a 150 pt unit.

I run with the rule of cool and since terminators are one of the things that got me into the hobby/game I run a lot of them where I can. Mostly older sculpts, dont have any primaris scale squads yet.

Please return my Terminator Lieutenant so I can run Bolter Discipline on the Termies T_T

I don't even play marines, but I love the designs of all of them.

I've largely been running my CSM and Crons in 10th, so my Wolves havent had many outings, but I've been surprised all edition the fact that Wolves have a Terminator Lieutenant gets noticed and played quite so rarely. Could easily see a gladius list with 2 bricks of terminators, one led by logan + battle leader (maybe with honour vehement), and the second led by a captain for free strats and battle leader with fire discipline. Those units will slap, have mixed range and melee, longer threat range than usual especially in gladius and are quite tanky. Throw in the usual mix of scouts/inceptors/infiltrators of your choice + some jump/assault intercessors and a few fire base options and i think you've got a pretty well rounded list.

I hear it's not good, but I keep coming up with funny plays for terminators in Inner Circle Task Force detachment.

I would like to see Bladeguard Veterans put into a chart like this. They won't have shooting, but at 30PPM, they're by far the cheapest option and hit remarkably well for that. Toughness is low, but having an invuln can go a long way.

The new terminators are some of my favourite models. Really wish they were better, so I would not feel so bad every time i play them 😅

Nice video, it would be great to have the same kind of comparison for all "elite" units of each army such as Possessed / Terminators / Chosen in CSM or Genestealers / Tyranid Warriors / Tyran Guard, etc. please !

I like running the agressors with a captain and flamestorms. I use the Blood Angels and dev wound flamer strat to deepstrike them and unload with the dev wound flamers rerolling wounds.

I freely admit I'm biased as gravis units (especially the Captain and Aggressors) are my favorite thing in 40k, but I'm still trying to fathom how Aggressors are more expensive than any other terminator in the game except for Deathshroud which they are equal to. T6 is their only advantage and it isn't much. Offensively they are good IF you can get them where they need to go but defensively they are way behind. Terminators having a 2+/4++ and teleport and somehow being cheaper than Aggressors with their 3+ and nothing else is shocking. It's utterly mind blowing when you look at what Deathshroud can do for the same points. Aggressors were over costed at the start of 10th then received not one but two points increases, due I'm sure to the firestorm combo. But in order to pull off that combo, it requires at least one if not two characters attached, putting the unit over 400 points. Given you can see that combo coming miles away, it becomes a very juicy target for your opponent. I would argue that Aggressors (currently 40 ppm) really should be somewhere in the neighborhood of 28-30 ppm given their lack of defensive stats and limited movement options. Failing that, they need either an invulnerable save or some other defensive ability like -1 damage to justify their exorbitant cost.

It sucks that Anvil Siege Force is basically always ignored when discussing detachment buffs.

Blood angels Librarian Dreadnoughts are incredibly good with all of these units.

I did 10-man wolfguard with a captain and ancient under vanguard detachment with the infiltrate enhancement. I found it pretty interesting =D

Just when I thought you were done for the day, here you are, delivering happy endings in digital form. 😂😂 Auspex for Emperor!

Played vanguard with the aggressor marneus biologis infiltration brick AND two units of terminators deep striking. The terminators can take advantage of the strat to get them.back into reserve ready for further deep strikes so they can get where they're needed...

This is how you see a range is bloated, 3 different units that fill up the same role but in a slightly different way

Oh man, these units look so cool I F**KING want to get some!😅

I love the Centurions so much, but they are too expensive, even if they are not bad (tough and good damage output), but lack an invulv or FnP... I am sure, they will rotate out with a new codex, as they are still firstborn and Agressors do similar things...

I love all 3 units, they are just so chonky and fun

Terminators + termi Librarian with artisan of war (gives +1 AP his weapons) in Sons of Sanguinius is brutal. 270 pts for the unit, the Librarians focused smite goes to D6 attacks, S6, AP3, D3 damage with sustained, his axe or whatever goes to 5A, S8, AP2, D3 damage on the charge. Then if you oath the target and red rampage, the terminators will be 20 S10 AP2 D2 power fist attacks, hitting on 2s, with +1 to wound, sustained and lethals. They will easily overkill a Land Raider in one turn.

Personally I think centurions should be classed as vehicles, so unable to use transports - those big chonky boys aren't going to fit inside a land raider - they're using warsuits rather than armour

Shame they won't undo the nerf to ignore modifiers on oath target for terminators. Would also be nice if they came down again in points further since they're inherently less killy or just go up in toughness.

In order to prevent buying too much too fast I'm following a primaris only rule for my Dark Angels. Centurions though, they make me wanna cheat...

Aggressors will never not look dorky, at least they aren't baby carriages

Centurions desperately need a scale update, same they did with Termies. They should be considerably bigger than Aggressors. Just call them "Primaris Centurions" or something.

vary interesting, i run 6Agg with Tor Garidon and an Apoth in the land raider. with lysader and 5 assoalts and another unit of 5 normal terms in deep strike

Eagerly waiting for Jump, Terminator and Gravis Lieutenants which for some reason don’t exist in spite of Lieutenants being a kind of meme model

If you were going to make the absolutely most shooting focused army you could do, what would it be? Which detachment. No melee units at all. Straight shooting firepower!

Honestly terminators are one of my favorite models.im not an old player started mid to late 9th. I wish they were more competitive.

The centurion mini has really grown on me

Centurion devastators seem very common in top tier competitive lists, any thoughts on how they compare?

Terminators are very meh for the cost. Storm bolters could do with a change imo. I use Aggressors with Calgar and Biologis as my main punch. Large investment but very versatile unit.

I run a 10 man assault terminators with captain as my mid field push/hold. They very rarely get wiped and score 30 + points a game. 40 wounds 2+ 4++ with cover and AOC for free

Yay space marine content again!

Ah good, the perfect video to know high of these three units I have are the best to take, and then I’ll use them all anyways because CHONK

Give Terminator Storm Bolters -1 AP, increasing to -2 AP within 1/2 range or 12"

Wish my assault centurions would get a glow up

as someone with all 3 the aggressors are most damaging over a game (the captain is great too), terminators are the toughest (2+ and 4++ is so so nice) and centurions are a 1 shot wonder (turn up, kill something and get lascannoned). overall i think the aggressors just about win out for competitive play because of the land raider redeemer being good. if you’re not planning on using it then i would take terminators for the tankiness

I put inceptor helmets on my aggressors

I'd list a potential 'con' for the Centurions is that they are likely on borrowed time; one of the few remaining units from the Firstborn/ Pre-Primaris era; while they are arguably more unique than others which is why we've seen them stick as long as they have. It's almost a certainty that they are up there on the chopping block with the Tactical and Devastator squads. The lack of any character support options whatsoever is already indicative of this.

I noticed Imperial Fists didn't make into the Chapter variants. Was there a reason for that? I would think all 3 unit types would perform incredibly well in an IF anvil seige detachment

I like terminators and between their 2+ save, 4++ and the rapid ingress i personally think there quite usable.

6 Centurions + Uriel Ventris deep strike here I come!

My issue with aggressors is cost, using them in other detachment or faction you are still paying for gladius/boltstorm crimes and I think 40ppm is too much, especially as they are not that survivable (3+ and no invul means plasmas, meltas etc. pick them up too easily), especially with some character buff, you are talking a near 300 pt unit that you then need some sort of transport for, which then pushes them to basically 500 points plus.

Might look dumb, but Assault Terminators are still a thing? Did they just not make this list because they don't shoot? Just want to make sure I am on the right page, because Thunder Hammer + Storm Shield is still memories I enjoy. So, I'm personally a big fan of Terminators. It really made me a bit sad when some of them I guess just stopped being as good? I like them in OS, for Thousand Sons, and think it's odd that Death Guard get two varieties, but only one is good. Was annoyed that, at least right now, there's really no place in World Eaters for Red Butchers, and it's neat to see them for other Legions, but they rarely do anything that special. For the Astartes, they're a role I want to be good; especially the Assault Terminators. A unit that can drop in, close to an enemy, and weather one round of shots, before then wading in, and deleting them, is one of my favorite things for Space Marines, but they just don't seem as likely to deliver that, sadly.

If Primaris hadn’t come along, or even if they had, it would have been nice to have had captain in centurion armour.

What about Aggressors with Biologist and Tor Garadon?, they will be ignoring cover and the capacity to deal with big things

Played Deathwing Assault plus a terminator chaplain on the knights and a repulsor executioner against the SM half of Leviathan with the dreadnought swapped for 6 boltstorm aggressors. The knights and chaplain using the deathwing assault enhancement took all but the Apothecary Biologis and a single Aggressor in turn 1. I like Aggressors but I just cannot deny the durability of terminators.

At present i had aggressors in my army all edition. After the last points update id say 6 man aggressors are, despite being still strong, are way too expensive. 6 aggressors are 240 atm, 5 terms are 175. 65 points in the difference is very hefty. Putting aggressors with a cap and redeemer is 580 points. Or 585 in gladius for fire discipline on a biologis. Im currently having more success with a brick of 10 terms with a chaplain in gladius, rapid ingressing for free onto the teleport homer you place before battle. Then you go assault doctrine giving the terms advance and charge. Instead of aggressors i run 6 eradicators with fire discipline on a biologis, lethal sustain with full rerolls v vehicles n monsters. Adding on the storm of fire strat you get ignore cover or ignore cover and bonus ap in dev doc it becomes a vehicle killing nightmare. Less general purpose than aggressors, but they squad tactics back into the raider for safety when enemies get within 9 of you. And i dont see 6 aggressors killing 3 ctan whereas my eradicators did. Aggressors need to earn back so much value and often theyre not getting that in 1 turn as they incredibly vulnerable as a "get in the opponents face" unit once they kill 1 thing

You missed one big combo for assault centurions. If you bring uriel ventris (ultramarines) you can give them the deep strike key word, all of a sudden they're not so slow. Nothing inspires fear like rapid ingressing 6 assault centurions right behind a wall where your opponents tanks are.

I think I’m the only one who thinks Centurions are actually kinda cool and fit the aesthetic and lore much more than Primaris stuff and a lot of the newer walkers that are just a bit too clean (looking at you sister’s walkers)

Why does everyone sleep on the Terminators with Wolf Guard Battle Leader and Fire Discipline combo? It might get no extra AP or Wound Rerolls but with Oath it will shred everything.

Okay so I have looked everywhere for specifically Anti- Swarm units, all I see are Anti-Tank in any of the search engines. Is there any chance you can do or point me to an already provided video showing best units for specific tasks. Anti-Tank is all over the place, Quick response done, so Anti-Swarm as I am considering, the cliche Flamer Unit, Aggressors, Or Wolven. Being Thunder Hammers have been Nurfed, it makes a harder sell.

I've made a list for a casual 2K points tournament at my local club. The list contains 10 regular Terminators with powerfists and cyclone missile launchers. I play them in firestorm assault force. Attached to the unit I have a terminator captain with a powerfist and a terminator ancient with twin lightning-claws (Kit-bashed). The terminator captain has the 15 pts "forged in battle" enhancement which allows me to once per turn flip a hit roll or save roll into a 6. During my own turn I flip any missed cyclone missiles into a hit, during my opponents turn I auto-pass 1 save that would kill a terminator. The a Captain gives re-roll charges and access to the +1 to wound stratagem for free. The ancient gives a lot of damage buffs and also makes all models OC 2, for a total of OC 24 if all models are alive and standing on an objective. I haven't tested this with the ancient included but with the captain it has already proven to be quite potent. The squad is 535 points so roughly 1/4 of my army but it is so satisfying to play for the funsies XD.

Terminators are cool, But Setting aside all the baggage they have, I really do love the look of the aggressors with their back mounted mortars and the double powerfist. They look heavy, but they also look like you can stip them on a chokepoint and they will reduce everything to ashes.

The virgin: I play Centurians because they fit my strategy and enable me to work the game to my advantage. The Chad: He Chonk

I think i'd throw heavy intercessors in this as well since they also have bulked up wounds and toughness. . . and why no assault terminators?

we need a LT in termy armour

Right now I would not be surprised if aggressors get legended in 11th

Wait a minute - when someone targets a squad of aggressors led by Calgar, I can allocate the damage and saves to the Vitrix first instead of the Aggressors??

I see your facts and statistics and raise you “terminators are cool”

Maybe Centurions aren't the mathematically correct choice but they definitely win for being the coolest which is far more important

I dedicated most of my dark Angels 4th company to gravis

Why does does the DA terminator Sergeant get locked into a sword?

What transports can Centurions use??? Can i stick 3 in a drop pod?

what about the Primaris Gamebreakors

I love my Termis 😍

Only 1 of them looks good. Wish they’d scrap the other 2 & just make terminators better w more options.

Looks wise I think aggressors non helmet centurions look lost in that armour

I laughed hard when you recommended 1st Company, but then you mentioned Belial as an option and I about spit my drink out. Please, never say Belial's name again until 11th edition where they might give him an actual ability and don't charge 10 more points for a model that's worth 1/10 of the cheaper generic options 😂

I honestly don't understand why grey knights terminator squads are so much more expensive (210 vs 175). Sure GKs get a narthecium, but Id rather have in-built rapid ingress with better melee weapons and have those cost considerably less with the exact same defensive profile. Though I'd gladly pay 35pts more if we could just get those goddamn hammers back :( Im sick and tired of dreadknights.

Simple assault intercessors beat all 3 when taken in the right faction/detachment, plus they're cheaper and are battleline. No one play termies anymore outside of dedicated lists, and the other two are used sparingly in quasi-deathstars. Stick to the cheap units imo, you'll get more out of them.

My mans

can i not run aggressors with the grenades on the pack with the flamers

Honestly I have always thought that the Aggressors' design just makes more sense for the intended role of these type of units (more durable units meant for decent close range fire and melee engagement) and should have replaced the Terminators so that GW could continue to cull the bloated Space Marine range. I know that would never happen because of all the nostalgia attached to Terminator pattern armor, but the Boltstorm Gauntlets just seem like a more efficient and elegant design than the Powerfist/Storm Bolter loadout. They even have back-mounted grenade launchers to serve as a replacement to Cyclone Missile Launchers.

Imo I don’t think any of these are strong picks, even the vanguard infiltrating aggressor brick.. it’s super expensive. 10 jump intercessors are not that much more than 3 aggressors for reference

I wouldn't classify Aggressors and Centurions as an elite unit, they are heavy breaching infantry rather than elite. Terminators should be an elite infantry but their stats and equipment puts them is a rather iffy spot - 5 toughness ain't too high, which would be ok if INV save worked like Ward save worked in regular Warhammer, where there was like 1 or 2 units in the entire army book with it, never more than 4+ but it was unaffected by anything, meaning that the unit was really an elite... Here, combi-weapons, dev wound and MW negate that save entirely and unit instantly becomes an extremely expensive infantry. Weapon wise, they sux. Storm Bolters are awful - no stopping power, no armour modification, even though they are described as shreading through infantry, even marines with ease. Instead of weak Rapid Fire, they should have Anti-infantry 4+ with Dev wounds to reflect it's strength and the fact, that only Termies and chosen officers might have it, if they - for some stupid reason - don't have combi-weapons anymore. Their special weapon options are weak... Cyclone is alright. Heavy Flamer is weak, compared to Sternguard's Pyrecannon which has 6S and D6+1 attacks. Autocannon is worst of the bunch as something designed to cull infantry, it has DW but only on 6+ and just 6 attacks... They could have Plasma Cannon, Multi-melta and Las Cannon as weapon options for elite unit that usually if deployed straight into the fray. Additionally, Termies are hand-picked from the best od the best Brothers in the CHAPER, they should hit on 2+ - shooting and HTH. Lastly, to further reflect CHAPTER'S ELITE status of the unit, player should be limited to field JUST and ONLY, 1 SINGLE unit of them. That's how I see Terminators, they could even cost 500pts. for that squad... Now, they are an extreme disappointment.

I know its not in the list but if you want a Space Marine to brawl you could had added the Brutalis Dreadnought into this comparson just for the jokes and giggles. It had become quite a threat to be recon with since the cost cut!

360 max?

The centurion literally can't fit in the frame

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Da player so always Termies.

Centurions arw ooooon top

It's been over a decade and I'm still not used to how stupid centurions look.

Hot take: Aggressors were completely unnecessary since the feel like a unnecessary when both Terminators and Centurions exist.