Australia's Water Project Failure: An Economic Breakdown

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Asianometry

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Northern Australia is Australia's last frontier and also its most vexing economic development puzzle.
People have long dreamed of turning its vastness into a bountiful bread basket. It might be possible. But there remain formidable challenges in the way.
For over thirty years starting in the 1960s, the Australian government built a series of dams to divert the waters of the 650 kilometer or 405 mile long Ord River for irrigation.
Over a billion dollars went into the project since 1950. And the water eventually did flow. But a (maybe) surprising thing happened: The farms would not make money.
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@Asianometry
@Asianometry 2 жыл бұрын
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@kamaujohn6303
@kamaujohn6303 2 жыл бұрын
Please please 🙏...Do a video on China water diversion projects...please.
@r.ccustomtruckingsydneyaus4632
@r.ccustomtruckingsydneyaus4632 2 жыл бұрын
we can tell your not Australian hey. you cant even say the towns name rite . this is miss information
@karenfreeman1601
@karenfreeman1601 2 жыл бұрын
Power and energy are what the water project is an example of non radioactive.
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard some people make comments on Australia and this is easily one of the worst. The Ord River Scheme has been an extraordinary success. Yeah it had failures with cotton but then cotton has failed in so many places that its almost considered an economic suicide crop. Go ask the Russians about the Aral Sea on that one. Its staggering just how badly some people put out crap on KZfaq. You need to do more than just look up Wikipedia and take what's there without any further research. There's an idiotic claim there about only 260 jobs, which is total BS because it only includes jobs on the farms. It doesn't include the sorting, packaging and export related jobs. I know how big that business is because my brother used to work for VISY one of the main suppliers into the packaging. Also your claims on particular crops which is just plain wrong doesn't include the huge cash crops of melons, tomatoes and other vegetables that are exported to Asia. I know about those because one of my previous neighbors was a seed merchant whose main business was in the Ord River Scheme. He once showed me a bag of tomato seed that cost more per kilogram than cocaine. If you actually knew anything about Australia its our other major water scheme "The Murray-Darling" which is one of the worst cases of government water resource mismanagement anywhere on the planet. Its a national embarrassment ad disgrace.
@thedave7760
@thedave7760 2 жыл бұрын
The Japanese did actually invade the northern Territory during WW2. There was one boat who sent a landing party thay found it inhospitable and there was nothing to wage war on so they left after a week or so.
@johnandmarylouwilde7882
@johnandmarylouwilde7882 2 жыл бұрын
I served as U.S. Vice-consul in Perth in the early 1960s. The Ord River Scheme was a constant topic of conversation. As I recall, the Liberal state government professed, at least for public consumption, to be keen on the project, and Bruce Davidson was a dirty word with them. On the other hand, persons that I knew who were well acquainted with conditions in the Kimberleys scoffed: poor soils, birds that would feast on rice and other projected crops, bugs, labor scarcity, remoteness, high production costs and on and on would doom Ord River. Unkind souls called it a boondoggle. High flown Boosterism was a recurrent theme in Western Australia, and the state had already seen developments like the ill fated Group Settlement dairying scheme in the state's southwest and the ongoing Chase project near Esperance not pan out. I could well understand the skepticism. I'm surprised that it's still being pushed.
@nrm224
@nrm224 Жыл бұрын
So amazing that your channel elicits kind of high-quality feedback. Very cool.
@Pushing_Pixels
@Pushing_Pixels Жыл бұрын
The topic of "northern agricultural development" still comes up every few years, as some politician, government or opposition floats the idea like it just occurred to them. It's basically just a way of trying to win votes in Western Australia, Queensland, and the Northern Territory, by throwing around numbers in the billions, and playing up the "strategic importance" angle to garner the favour of armchair geo-political enthusiasts.
@evildead9708
@evildead9708 Жыл бұрын
I tend to think that the government is going about it completely the wrong way. They have this concept that development equates to the growing of rice and sugarcane. Theres nothing stopping them from putting roads through the desert, and then putting factories and houses, and a pipeline with water fed from floodwaters from the eastern states. We already grow enough food to feed 95 million people now, why are we so worried about growing more?
@tarstarkusz
@tarstarkusz Жыл бұрын
I don't know why they built schools there. They can't even get the aborigines to stop sleeping in the road or sniffing gas. With an average eye cue (to avoid autodelete) of 68, they simply will not benefit from formal schooling and are really only suitable for menial labor.
@quietkiwi7572
@quietkiwi7572 2 жыл бұрын
Love that picture of Sir Ord. Its impressive how australian he looked.
@yohaneschristianp
@yohaneschristianp 2 жыл бұрын
Looks British enough to me
@MuszZico
@MuszZico 2 жыл бұрын
Sir Ock..shooo shooo,dont forget the bev,nevar nevar nevar
@turanatomeko
@turanatomeko 2 жыл бұрын
I think the shades were a bit excessive a monocle glass would suffice.
@Errr717
@Errr717 2 жыл бұрын
@NAP HAHAHA yeah kidding!
@theD.1
@theD.1 2 жыл бұрын
Classy look
@cheeweeiteoh4545
@cheeweeiteoh4545 2 жыл бұрын
Railways and road infrastructure need to be developed first.
@sunspot42
@sunspot42 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. It really sounds like they needed to lay out the rail network first, then build the dams. The rail network should have been short to keep costs down, concentrating on land nearest the ports, which would subsequently be irrigated.
@ShashankRockerYo
@ShashankRockerYo 2 жыл бұрын
More than 50 years since project start, still no rail line!
@zerobizzy
@zerobizzy 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShashankRockerYo How about a canal? If shipped in large quantities isn't that more attractive? In terms of cost and scale?
@inkbold8511
@inkbold8511 2 жыл бұрын
@Shashank Sharma If you are in the west, then this is considered normal and on time 😂
@cosmoray9750
@cosmoray9750 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same. Trucking things in and out is one thing but a rail is definitely the way to go. It is more cost effective. Guess the Australian politicians hasn't figure that out yet. With all the money sank into this project. They could have a build a rail line already. 😁
@BeerGutGuy
@BeerGutGuy 2 жыл бұрын
$700M for a dam we're not going to use sounds cheap compared to $2B for a submarine design that we're never going to build
@MrM-or6uh
@MrM-or6uh 2 жыл бұрын
Full on, mate!
@jwarmstrong
@jwarmstrong 2 жыл бұрын
Please learn to speak Chinese & keep whining
@teagueman100
@teagueman100 2 жыл бұрын
You do realise that subs are useless in modern warfare. They wouldn't even get in missle range of a Chinese warship before being found and destroyed by depth charge helicopter. Seriously, research subs.
@joshuacheung6518
@joshuacheung6518 2 жыл бұрын
@@teagueman100 subs aren't useless. They're stealth platforms more than for anti-ship. For example, nuclear weapons that are fast and can't be hit in an early strike.
@teagueman100
@teagueman100 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuacheung6518 Yeah so not good for defense at all. Subs wouldn't be able to stop the Chinese fleet if it came to Australia. The subs could only launch a retaliatory nuke strike back at China after China has nuked all our cities and its navy is sailing here. Our subs would have to sail all the way to China because sub nuke missiles are short range. Even If the subs were already around China they don't carry enough nukes to defeat China. So basically the subs are good at spite. They cant be a nuclear deterrent because you require the same nuber of nukes as the enemy to create a stalemate. Coldwar style. Australia could not win a nuke war against china with subs either. Shouldnt we be focusing on defending our waters from naval attack with ships rather than trying to enter into a nuclear arms race we couldnt win. Nuclear warfare is dead nobody wants to enter it. Traditional warfare is back. We need aircraft carriers and destroyers we need to defend our waters.
@free_spirit1
@free_spirit1 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, overall 1bn usd is not a lot to make a region farmable. and as a bonus the mangoes are not coming from recently cleared rainforest. But that externality doesn't get factored into the price.
@redhammer92
@redhammer92 2 жыл бұрын
Not even USD. In Aus dollars thats like 12 bucks.
@tubester4567
@tubester4567 2 жыл бұрын
@@redhammer92 1B US is about 750 Million AUD. Still a lot of money, but chicken feed for a major project. The dam is still useful for drinking water for the region, and feeding cattle which is the biggest earner. Australia just spent 60 Billion on fibre internet. They spent 3.5B on a desalination plant in Victoria, and Adelaide is building one for 2 B. So 1 Billion for a dam and infrastructure in the middle of nowhere sounds pretty cheap to me.
@Brunafisken
@Brunafisken 2 жыл бұрын
You say sandalwood is really long term but in terms of forestry it isn't really. The turn around on pine can be about 80 years and for oak it's 200.. ;)
@pennyoflaherty1345
@pennyoflaherty1345 2 жыл бұрын
Once pine plantations have been harvested or burnt down by fires , the remnants of the soil is poor quality left remaining with millions of tree stumps . This is such a *. 1 -. Ditch , no thought consideration that the soil must first be re vitalized for anything else to grow . Tell us what they have rejuvenated down South Australia - old Kypo- Forest ?
@antipropo461
@antipropo461 2 жыл бұрын
Its 10 to 12 years for sandlewood and the main crop is the oil,not the timber.
@itchyvet
@itchyvet 2 жыл бұрын
@@pennyoflaherty1345 Sorry Penny, but your wrong. In Western Australia and in particular our South West pine plantation shave been vigorously growing now for many years. The plantations have a life span of around 30 years, then get cut down, cleared, burn the rubbish and immediately afterwards, a new crop is planted. Pending on the rain fall, they grow very quickly. The pine trees are the Pinus Radiata.
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 2 жыл бұрын
@@itchyvet same in NSW. Must be characteristic SA stagnation which is affecting Kypo forest.
@harkinsclark1417
@harkinsclark1417 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the presenter is young and has yet to understand the concept of time. I'm fifteen years into a twenty year project and it feels like no time has passed at all.
@thebeautifulones5436
@thebeautifulones5436 2 жыл бұрын
The argyle dam has a 40MW hydro power station.
@kicapanmanis1060
@kicapanmanis1060 2 жыл бұрын
1:21 I'll be perfectly honest this is one of the last places I expected to hear a Turn A Gundam reference.
@geoffmesser5091
@geoffmesser5091 2 жыл бұрын
An accurate analysis and, once again, I am reminded of a quote from a text book edited, I think, by Davidson that I read at university in the 1970s … “the landscape of Australia is littered with white elephants: monuments to governments past and present.”
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 2 жыл бұрын
Actually its bullshit. Ord river's early days were a bust because they went for cotton, which is easily one of the most damaging crops on the planet. Ask the Russians about the Aral Sea. But this is all based on old information. In recent decades they switched towards vegetables and melons to supply demand in Asia and that stuff has been incredibly profitable. I know that because one of my previous neighbors was a seed merchant who did business in the Ord. Seedless water melons and tomatoes make huge money out of the ord. Also my brother used to work for VISY ad they have a huge division in Darwin selling packaging into that market.
@geoffmesser5091
@geoffmesser5091 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonywilson4713 I agree that the Ord River Coop has done pretty well and that a few seed companies have done well producing their maize, sorghum and other hybrid seed there out of season. And, yes, rock melons, seedless water melons and a few vegetable crops have also done well BUT the areas producing those crops and the water consumption are a fraction of the total developed irrigation capacity and will never repay the money ploughed into its development over the last 65 years. In my 40 year career in agriculture I have seen too much boom/bust cropping in the Ord - cotton, rice in the 70s and early 80s and sugarcane from the mid 1990s to 2007 - each with significant investments in infrastructure ultimately abandoned. As recently as 2016 AgricWA was talking up sugarcane yet again. I have discussed its future with too many respected agricultural economists to have any faith that Australia will ever see a return on investment. And that is without considering the most recent exotic pest incursion in the discovery of fall armyworm in the Ord last autumn ....
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 2 жыл бұрын
@@geoffmesser5091 fair comments. The crop I have concern about is cotton. There's the new cotton which is one of the greatest achievements in ag science ever. It would have been great if they could have reduced the water needed, or the chemicals needed or improved the fiber quality. Doing 1 of those would have been great *but they did all 3.* The problem is that its now incredibly profitable which is what has driven the madness in the Murray-Darling. I'm an engineer and this is part of my argument about our long term planning. We don't think long term in our engineering which includes our infrastructure (like Ord). Everything is about the next quarter or next season. As a nation we need to start being a lot smarter in every industry we have. I actually started in aerospace and after the new Space Agency started their 1st road map had as its first item - advanced space based water management *but delivered in the mid 2030s.* So I put forward a proposal to move on it now and try and deliver that in 3-5 years. You should have seen the panic I created. I said to the ASA - "these are your words lets not wait until somebody else hands it too us lets just get on with it." And they freaked out. Feedback form the Farmers Fed was positive but the ASA stomped on me. My mothers family are farmers so I have been around farming and ag since I was born. From the day it started Landline was compulsory viewing in my family. Before that Big Country.
@DumbSkippy
@DumbSkippy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness numb nuts didn't build his plastic canal !
@teagueman100
@teagueman100 2 жыл бұрын
Government owned rail is the solution.
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 2 жыл бұрын
Australia: Develop northern Australia infrastructure for national security. Australia: then sells to Chinese.
@yanmak2363
@yanmak2363 2 жыл бұрын
Theirs nothing contradictory about that. The money gets put into infrastructure that stays in local hands. Its only development that is leased.
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 2 жыл бұрын
@@yanmak2363 you do not know the meaning of the word 'contradiction'.
@yanmak2363
@yanmak2363 2 жыл бұрын
@@indyrock8148 China itself uses foreign direct investment (From America) to build up its massive new Navy (targeting America). Australia does the the exact same with Chinese Investment. Go figure. Its how the world really works, both sides hedge and balance.
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 2 жыл бұрын
@@yanmak2363 please look up the meaning of the word contradiction
@yanmak2363
@yanmak2363 2 жыл бұрын
@@indyrock8148 please gain some reading comprehension before your respond. It makes you seem stupid.
@naguoning
@naguoning 2 жыл бұрын
I have lived in Western Australia before. I think a few things were missing here. Kununurra Is pronounced with the start being more like cunt without a t (really) and mot like koohn… For the economic analysis note that the North of Western Australia basically caught the Dutch disease (as in the economics term, not a literal disease) and the wage levels in the area are bordering on unbelievable. People mostly don’t want to live there as it is remote, few facilities, expensive and uncomfortable. This makes the wage costs even worse.
@yanmak2363
@yanmak2363 2 жыл бұрын
CU in the NT
@markbegley1564
@markbegley1564 2 жыл бұрын
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@stuartferguson7947
@stuartferguson7947 2 жыл бұрын
Having lived and worked in Kununurra the presenters pronunciation of Kununurra makes me doubt he’s actually been there; lots more going on there than Agriculture, mining and tourism being two.
@MrMightyytau
@MrMightyytau 2 жыл бұрын
@@stuartferguson7947 I cringe when non Australian wants to criticise Australia with out actually getting a firest hand experience of the reality
@jomac2046
@jomac2046 2 жыл бұрын
@@stuartferguson7947 I'd even bet my left one He's never been there.
@rosewood1
@rosewood1 2 жыл бұрын
Good analysis. From a farming perspective and I have run cattle in Victoria and NSW the Ord is like stepping on Mars or perhaps Mercury. Sure the lake is vast. But the poverty of that rocky land that borders on the desert is hard to appreciate without going there. The next elephant of course is the Dry. Basically there are two seasons. The wet and the dry. The Dry however as you progress through winter into a non existent spring is a period when temperatures just get hotter and hotter. And then eventually you get the wet when it floods. Accept up there the wet may strong, weak or barely happen at all. Cattle farming is more resilient because if the season is bad you can always move the Mob. Kidman knew this. But you can't move plants. And plants need humidity. Lake Argyll despite its vast size is basically a huge warm puddle. And you would think by now the forshores would be growing forests... But it's still largely this hard rocky country. It's very hard country. It is truely astonishing what has been achieved.
@katehobbs2008
@katehobbs2008 2 жыл бұрын
There are “no large towns in Australia north of the Tropic of Capricorn except for Darwin well” - true if you ignore Rockhampton (+80,000), Townsville (195,000) , Cairns (156,000).
@alanhill5756
@alanhill5756 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it's a long drive from Cairns to the Ord River. So maybe it doesn't count. Come to think of Darwin's too bloody far away as well.
@macrick
@macrick Жыл бұрын
Those numbers are a pittance. You guys call Adelaide a "CITY" with slightly over a million people. What a joke.
@djcoopes7569
@djcoopes7569 Жыл бұрын
@@macrick Adelaide is a CAPITAL CITY, not just any old city mate
@ashdog236
@ashdog236 Жыл бұрын
@@macrick you’re the joke, there’s smaller cities in Europe and the US and they’re still called cities. A city is generally a town with more than 100,00 people so yes, Adelaide having 10x that many people, makes it a city 💀
@myclips9525
@myclips9525 2 жыл бұрын
Close to 100k, hope you enjoy your play button □. Thank you for your content
@normvanthoff
@normvanthoff 2 жыл бұрын
I've been through the area. This is a really good summary of the main issues. Well done. .
@ianrobinson8974
@ianrobinson8974 2 жыл бұрын
14/10/2121 Thank you, I have had the privilege at wandering through this region, since the late 1960's. As a tourist, employee of Govt and Army Reservist where I worked with Indigenous soldiers from communities across the top of Australia. There are enormous potentials across the top end of Australia and I deplore the idea that such development can be sold/leased to foreign entities; particularly CCP based ones. Basically, I think that we tend to be over governed by too many Govts and believe that it is way past time to restructure our governance and have one Federal idea providing the law of Australia, developing regions and infrastructure, with services delivered by local Governments; (EG: why do we have 7 sets of road rules in this country?) As well, it would save heaps, with so many less bureaucrats!
@chakra6666
@chakra6666 Жыл бұрын
my guy is living 100 years in the future
@Pushing_Pixels
@Pushing_Pixels Жыл бұрын
The Commonwealth of Australia a.k.a. the Federal Government was set up by the State Governments. It only exists because the states wanted it. I doubt the states would agree to just disappear, and anyway Queenslanders would never let go of their state based identity i.e. the chip on their shoulder directed at everyone south of Coolangatta.
@70sVRsignalman
@70sVRsignalman 10 ай бұрын
Dear @@Pushing_Pixels , not quite correct, the Commonwealth Government exists initially because London wanted one Colony, not six Colonies, and made that quite clear to the existing Colonial States. It was also the result of some British Australians seeing the need to Federate to ward of other European powers, and to better provide for the common defence of the continent.
@MarttiSuomivuori
@MarttiSuomivuori 2 жыл бұрын
I love your matter-of-fact presentation with not an ounce of party politics mixed in. You describe the situation. Now what to do, that's somebody else's job. Describing the process, it will be you again. Good journalism, thank you.
@hatac
@hatac 2 жыл бұрын
Rail buffs have always argued that the Ord simply needs a rail network from port to the far corners of the major areas and a few medium manufacturing systems in the town and port. I.E. use the bagasse etc. Bill Mollison pointed out that his permaculture practitioners in the area have no pest problems. They made extensive use of pest predator support systems and crop plantings that maximized soil nutrient retention. The governments trying of paddy rice has not been successful. They seem to always be trying to do it in a new experimental way (aerial seeding)and are not growing the rice strains that grow in Indonesia. Indonesia and New Guinea have the same pests yet not the same problems. In some cases the pest birds fly in from Indonesian farms.
@karimedx
@karimedx 2 жыл бұрын
100k in less than 100 subscribers, I wanna say congratulation, your videos deserve all the recognition.
@70rn
@70rn 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Katherine - a few hundred klicks to the east of Kunnunura, we pronounced it with an 'uh' sound - like the 'u' in 'but'. The insect swarms, particularly sandflies in the mangrove estuaries, could be pretty ruthless. We often slept under netting when they were thick, and I couldn't imagine camping near a river up there with out having access to multiple types of insect repellent,particularly in the wet season. Growing concentrated amounts of bug food in that area must've been hair tearingly frustrating in the early days.
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't it a native bug which decided it liked eating cotton?
@azkhaavicena1250
@azkhaavicena1250 2 жыл бұрын
I remembered reading somewhere (i think its IRRI journal) that the high mineral content (Fe,Na,K) in the NT led to an increase in soil salinity, which hinder rice cultivation. So, even if the region is supplied with water, continuous agricultural activity in the area will only make the soil worse over time.
@antipropo461
@antipropo461 2 жыл бұрын
No, it is the migration of Magpie Geese, which coincided with rice maturity which killed rice cultivation
@zorbalight3933
@zorbalight3933 2 жыл бұрын
@@antipropo461 Absolutely spot on, the farmers at the time said the birds would blacken the skies strip the crop and then could not fly off. The gas guns and shotguns were laughed at by the departing geese and ducks when they could finally taxii and take off.
@pennyoflaherty1345
@pennyoflaherty1345 2 жыл бұрын
This is where you start crop diversification , a rotation on fields and like biblical days hallowing & rejuvenating for 7 yr period !
@fugehdehyou
@fugehdehyou 2 жыл бұрын
Almost at 100k subs bro keep up the sick content!
@fendy_
@fendy_ 2 жыл бұрын
My goodness.. Asianometry nearly touch 100K subscribers🤓 Congrats!
@wernerengel6357
@wernerengel6357 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. Many thanks.
@schlix101
@schlix101 2 жыл бұрын
At least in Australia they have something to show for the money, even if it is less than expected. Here in South Africa money goes into projects and way to often there is nothing to show for it and those accountable get away with it, scot-free!
@ReddoFreddo
@ReddoFreddo 2 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video about the fertile valley in California? It contrasts well with this, and I think it would be a popular video.
@donniebunkerboi9975
@donniebunkerboi9975 2 жыл бұрын
Did you check the channel's name?
@Oversensitive-S-poster
@Oversensitive-S-poster 2 жыл бұрын
@@donniebunkerboi9975 given how he's already done a video of a failed semiconductor plant in the UK, I'd think its same to assume that could make a video around california's fertile valley
@mabamabam
@mabamabam 2 жыл бұрын
The contrast is in a huge local market and mass cheap labour. The Ord really is a long way from anywhere, 800km to the nearest city, 3000km to the nearest capital. getting workers in and food out is a massive task.
@w8stral
@w8stral 2 жыл бұрын
@@mabamabam The problem is the area is not large enough to develop a port to ship the produce to market, let alone build a railroad as there is not enough WATER. Soil is not a problem, all that is required are grazing cows, moved daily, or twice daily in a mob. If you can build soil in Deserts of Mexico, S. Africa at same lattitude with less than 300mm rain a year, you can do it in N. Australia.
@mabamabam
@mabamabam 2 жыл бұрын
@@w8stral there is plenty of water. And there is a port 100km up the road.
@asdfghjkl1755
@asdfghjkl1755 2 жыл бұрын
I love your channel. Greetings from Poland.
@davidxmcgrath
@davidxmcgrath 2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. Perfect analysis 👌
@anuruddhalogin
@anuruddhalogin 2 жыл бұрын
Great research !
@adelawu8651
@adelawu8651 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Love this Topic. ❤️
@vishalpratapsingh
@vishalpratapsingh 2 жыл бұрын
Indian sandalwood is in huge demand . Even a small log measuring 3 to 4 inches runs into several hundred dollars. It is important for religious usage . It has application in Ayurvedic medicines. Indian sandalwood forest area is shrinking rapidly but the people who want to use sandalwood is rising exponentially. Australia will benefit from their sandalwood project.
@linmal2242
@linmal2242 2 жыл бұрын
I hope so. I have a few shares in that venture.
@vishalpratapsingh
@vishalpratapsingh 2 жыл бұрын
@@linmal2242 All the best 👍🏽
@Gleesonglee
@Gleesonglee 2 жыл бұрын
Some places have had serious theft issues because of its value
@vishalpratapsingh
@vishalpratapsingh 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gleesonglee That is a very serious problem.
@scottfranco1962
@scottfranco1962 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe ranching is a better use of the land up there. Here in California they basically forced agriculture into the central valley, including stupid sh*t like rice farming, as if the place was a tropical rainforest. What we have now is water shortages and salt water incursion issues. Making the whole world into verdant farmland is a 1800's fantasy.
@smygskytt1712
@smygskytt1712 2 жыл бұрын
Farming in a Mediterranean climate (like California) is absolutely possible - but it has to be done at the terms of that climate. It's sheer insanity however to brute-force all the farming done across the entire world by liberally applying the Monsanto-provided mix of planet-killer fertilisers and pesticides onto endless tracts of mono-culture fields.
@Makatea
@Makatea 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sparing us that lengthy plug for newsletter and Patreon in the beginning and the, as usual, insightful video.
@RiczWest
@RiczWest 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting - something that as an Aussie, I wasn't even aware of! What a huge and Audacious concept. I'm guessing that solar will have an impact in the long term...
@SomeGuysg
@SomeGuysg 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, and not a good impact at that
@DavidOfWhitehills
@DavidOfWhitehills 2 жыл бұрын
@@SomeGuysg What's not good about solar? Northern Australia would seem the ideal location, with ready markets in Asia for the juice. Replaces the coal.
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 2 жыл бұрын
Actually its bullshit. Ord river's early days were a bust because they went for cotton, which is easily one of the most damaging crops on the planet. Ask the Russians about the Aral Sea. But this is all based on old information. In recent decades they switched towards vegetables and melons to supply demand in Asia and that stuff has been incredibly profitable. I know that because one of my previous neighbors was a seed merchant who did business in the Ord. Seedless water melons and tomatoes make huge money out of the ord. Also my brother used to work for VISY ad they have a huge division in Darwin selling packaging into that market.
@michaelrenper796
@michaelrenper796 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidOfWhitehills Another one of those people suffering from geographic dyslexia who think the Australia is "close to East Asia". Transporting electricity over large distances is not very economical. There is a single project to connect Singapore to Australia. Incredibly ambitious and expensive. Its main reason is strategical.
@DavidOfWhitehills
@DavidOfWhitehills 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrenper796 Transporting electricity over large distances IS very economical. Australia to Singapore 3200 kilometres. Transmission loss 10%. Cost? Extrapolating from the cost of the new North Sea Link, about $9 billion US dollars, or 2.6% of Singapore's GDP.
@kikichin
@kikichin 2 жыл бұрын
Similar to the Submarine project with France. After signing for 5 years and millions spent, not a single bolt was fastened and now they want to spend billions more for nuclear subs. Where has all the money gone to???
@70sVRsignalman
@70sVRsignalman 11 ай бұрын
Part of the problem with the French Submarine contract was the usual series of requested additions and alterations to the initial design proposal, plus the inevitable other amendments that any new design creates. All of this, however, was finally resolved, and the Project was meeting the agreed revised delivery target, as evidence before Senate Estimates Committee. The DoD even sent a letter to France to that effect a day before Morrison cancelled the contract by a public statement without prior reference to France. Morrison topped this off by publicly humiliating France. No wonder the French were angry. And as the contract was cancelled, despite the contractor complying wth the revised agreement, as the DoD letter above indicated. Compensation ( approx $835million) therefore had to be paid, no submarine was delivered, no new submarine will be delivered prior to 2040, and our current submarines will life expire around 2030-2035. Oh, and guess what, nuclear submarines are VERY expensive, and all current nuclear submarine users globally have a domestic nuclear power industry, which is subsidised, and which are used to give submarine nuclear power plant operators access to suitable live nuclear training. Countries with nuclear power plants have the option of acquiring nuclear weapons if they want to, and a number of countries , Pakistan and India come to mind, have already done so. Other countries maintain the nuclear power industry to sustain their nuclear weapons programmes. the Big 5 Permanent UN Security Council members come to mind The British Royal Navy's HMS Dreadnought was commissioned in 1960, and ever since, the British Defence Budget has been beholden to the huge expense that nuclear submarines generate. You have been warned.
@terrygillam8149
@terrygillam8149 2 жыл бұрын
HI ASIANOMETRY here's a good one do a search on the weather patterns in the AREA before the dam was filled and after it's a bloody eye opener on climatic change MAN MADE keep the posts coming CHEERS
@kerrymartyn2253
@kerrymartyn2253 2 жыл бұрын
It is a brutal place to work with temperatures between 35 and 45 Celsius plus the humidity. Throw in sun, insects, dust and rock hard ground, a day’s work in the open is nearly unbearable. There’s a reason miners get paid big money.
@russella7263
@russella7263 2 жыл бұрын
7:40. Somebody’s overcharging. 1,000 hectares is only a parcel of land roughly 3KM by 3KM. I struggle to imagine how you could possibly spend $220,000,000 on water and road infrastructure in such a small space. You could criss cross that space with a canal, 2 motorways and three railways and still not spend that much.
@daddycool889
@daddycool889 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, to say money was wasted is a bit short sighted. We plowed $100billion (?) on nbn connections on houses in Australia, only to create a monopoly based on a technology with a limited lifespan, and is already being superseded. The money spent was well spent and the lessons learned will be put to good use for future developments.
@justicedemocrat9357
@justicedemocrat9357 2 жыл бұрын
What is superseding the NBN?
@shazmosushi
@shazmosushi 2 жыл бұрын
@@justicedemocrat9357 The original ~2008 Kevin Rudd government NBN was to build Fibre To The Premises (FTTP, maximum initial speed 1000mbps) to 93% of residences. The 2013 LNP government switched to a "Multi Technology Mix" which used the inferior "FTTN" (fiber to the node, limited to ~60mbps depending on the cable quality), "FTTC" (fiber to the curb, max 80mbps right now depending on cable quality) and "HFC" (Hybrid Fiber Coaxial, max ~100mbps depending on cable quality). For HFC they bought Telstra's Foxtel cable TV network and Optus's HFC network (for $30 billion if I recall correctly). The limits of FTTN means they have started building out FTTP for certain suburbs after first installing FTTN. Because the FTTN existing network turned out to be too slow. By the way, it's possible to get a free quote from the NBN "Technology Choice Program" website and pay out of pocket to upgrade to FTTP. Fiber optic cabling to the premises is the best internet technology around, and will continue to be for many decades.
@spacefacts1681
@spacefacts1681 2 жыл бұрын
@@justicedemocrat9357 Starlink
@justicedemocrat9357
@justicedemocrat9357 2 жыл бұрын
@@spacefacts1681 What speeds and ping can Starlink do?
@spacefacts1681
@spacefacts1681 2 жыл бұрын
@@justicedemocrat9357 150+ down, 50+ up, ping is under 50 ms usually closer to 25 and these numbers should get better as they introduce the direct laser link versions of the satellites
@Agislife1960
@Agislife1960 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they tried to grow commercial Hemp, it's more resistant to pest than cotton.
@CJ-pi8uf
@CJ-pi8uf 2 жыл бұрын
Declaring the efforts to be a failure when compared to the profitability to more profitable land areas seems a bit harsh. In the future fresh water is the problem. It looks like Australia has created a large amount of fresh water as a resource. I would commend those that enriched the value of Australian land.
@gaussdog
@gaussdog 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the BEST History Lessons I’ve ever gotten !!
@christopherellis2663
@christopherellis2663 2 жыл бұрын
Another clever idea that wasn't very smart. The security lays in the the fact that it is desert. Bright sparks in Melbourne team up with not so bright sparks from Perth.
@lith3on123
@lith3on123 2 жыл бұрын
Atleast the bright sparks in perth know how to balance a budget and have a net contribution for WA, unlike the rest of the country..
@sdprz7893
@sdprz7893 2 жыл бұрын
100k subscribers HOLY FUCK I remember when you didn’t even have 10k, congrats bro
@ggoddkkiller1342
@ggoddkkiller1342 2 жыл бұрын
7th largest country and only one million population? Here is it's the biggest problem there but no worries we can fix this problem with AUEUTR agreement in a heartbeat😉😉
@itsoktolovechina
@itsoktolovechina 2 жыл бұрын
AUEUTR?
@earthlingsixbillionandsome406
@earthlingsixbillionandsome406 2 жыл бұрын
Very good channel
@w.d.g.
@w.d.g. Жыл бұрын
great video
@asicit6789
@asicit6789 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks.
@DiscombobulatingName
@DiscombobulatingName 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like there is a need for further infrastructure development if the region is to achieve its potential. At minimum, there needs to be a railroad line to the nearest ports. However, as you said, it's questionable if whatever success the region can achieve is worth the opportunity costs.
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 2 жыл бұрын
Its far more difficult than just simply a road or rail project. I actually spent 9 months up that way on a mine site during the mining boom. It amazed me how little I actually knew about Australia's far north and how the place works and what the conditions are like. Most Australians have no idea what its actually like. The distances and conditions are so radically different to the southern states. You can't just simply build roads and rail up there because of the wet season. I was there through a wet season and its just so different to anything else I'd ever experienced and it included a cyclone. At one point everything was under 30-50cm of water which made the entire place lethally dangerous because of the snakes and crocs. Then there are the current issues with the over use of ground water in other parts of that region. People have been putting in mango plantations and mangoes need water 365 days a year. That can be difficult in a place where it rains for 6 months and then doesn't rain for another 6 months.
@wrenbird8352
@wrenbird8352 2 жыл бұрын
this was cool to learn about Australia.
@Zerpentsa6598
@Zerpentsa6598 2 жыл бұрын
Good. May there be more and more.
@patrick247two
@patrick247two 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@buzzinbilby4308
@buzzinbilby4308 Жыл бұрын
I not too long ago worked out there. I saw that they were bulldozing more land, I also saw some decent size property growing cotton. The soil was pretty productive for growing pastures to bale up. But again, this looked like a very hard business to profit from, due to remoteness of the area. The previous seasons were very productive for mango and banana crops. Sadly, labor shortage saw a lot wasted, mostly due to covid and having no cross border seasonal workers. All in all, it's a very beautiful landscape. worth the visit, recommended during the dry season as during the buildup to the wet season temperatures are scorching hot and very very humid. The big river lizards see no body go for a nice cool off in the river that's for sure. ;)
@cybair9341
@cybair9341 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like a very nice recreational area !
@galupas
@galupas 2 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful up there, ❤ many people stay there for holidays.
@DumbSkippy
@DumbSkippy 2 жыл бұрын
Bwahahahahahahaha
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, a good place to retire in with no place to spend it and no place to go the cost of living would be fantastic......maybe they could create a las Vegas and make more money than they dreamed of.
@12vscience
@12vscience Жыл бұрын
Good points.
@LeonardDieckmann
@LeonardDieckmann 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@tbonemc2118
@tbonemc2118 2 жыл бұрын
I've been to Kununurra once which is more than you can say. You've pointed out that the originators of the Ord River scheme had little knowledge of what they were doing but nothing seems to have changed with people still putting their two bob's worth in. In case you hadn't noticed we've been tearing out infrastructure in rural Australia like railways over the last 50 years and populations and towns have been in decline. Good luck with whatever pipe dream you have for the region.
@buttlesschap
@buttlesschap 2 жыл бұрын
6:45 he sounds so unimpressed "a *mill*" 😂
@Scrogan
@Scrogan 2 жыл бұрын
Fresh water? Abundant solar energy? Make silicon!
@afgor1088
@afgor1088 2 жыл бұрын
there's ... quite a bit more that's required
@letsburn00
@letsburn00 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with the area is that its not a pleasant place to live. It goes above 40C routinely and there is nothing to do nothing a 3 hr plane ride.
@geoffmesser5091
@geoffmesser5091 2 жыл бұрын
There is a proposal to create a vast PV generation operation and to use the energy to produce “green” hydrogen.
@metagde6402
@metagde6402 2 жыл бұрын
Whos gonna maintain and keep those solars clean ? Your kids lol ?
@decus9544
@decus9544 2 жыл бұрын
That's farming in the tropics for you.
@onepiece666
@onepiece666 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive sunglasses that sir harry used, truly ahead of his time
@theephemeralglade1935
@theephemeralglade1935 2 жыл бұрын
They said he was a kind of happening guy, plus he looked a little weird.
@merlingeikie
@merlingeikie Жыл бұрын
Pasture animals are one of the only methods of framing which builds soil quality and topsoil health.
@vindolanda6974
@vindolanda6974 Жыл бұрын
Don't they erode the soil though because of their hooves and overgrazing of vegetation which holds the soil together, and also compress the soil so it is harder for plants to grow?
@richardservatius5405
@richardservatius5405 2 жыл бұрын
how about planting crops that improve the soil and / or can be used as cattle feed? Hemp will grow almost anywhere and is very useful in several industries.
@_Skim_Beeble
@_Skim_Beeble 2 жыл бұрын
I lived in Darwin for roughly 6 months and one of the biggest issues with being there was the cost of living due to a lot of mining money in the state. A house in one state would cost double in Darwin. Darwin was originally a military base.
@itchyvet
@itchyvet 2 жыл бұрын
Incorrect. It was originaly a pear diving center.
@IsaacIsaacIsaacson
@IsaacIsaacIsaacson 2 жыл бұрын
Darwin still is a military base. About 80% of the Australian military is based in Darwin.
@Dog.soldier1950
@Dog.soldier1950 Жыл бұрын
This sounds like where I grew up-the Columbia Basin Project. Starting in the 1930’s to date dams provided irrigation,electrical power production and transportation. This allowed agriculture production to explode. This project will take time but water+land+transportation will equate to agricultural growth beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. Forward Australia
@sudhendugupte7562
@sudhendugupte7562 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@profdc9501
@profdc9501 2 жыл бұрын
Especially given political uncertainties and climate change, is there value in the Ord river water project for agricultural security and self-sufficiency for Australia? Australia is mainly desert, and being able to use what limited water resources that are available may be an important safeguard against interruptions in the global supply of food and building materials.
@grillhouse8036
@grillhouse8036 Жыл бұрын
It's a mistake saying that the phase 3 hydroelectric part of the project never happened. There is a 30MW 4 turbine hydroelectric powerplant currently running (see ord river hydroelectric powerplant)
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 2 жыл бұрын
Have there been any studies to determine if the area has any natural comparative advantages? If the land is so poor, could solar power be an option, or is it too far from a market?
@Hungry_Hunter
@Hungry_Hunter 2 жыл бұрын
Australian politicians seem to be incapable of thinking in terms of our long term benefit. Creating a lower tax zone around these northern developmental areas seems the most realistic. I really love the north its so vast and so incredibly ancient. I enjoyed your presentation it was well balanced and informative.
@gregsutton6258
@gregsutton6258 2 жыл бұрын
The whole of northern Australia did have a reduced tax zone, all through the 70s and up to the Howard govenment abolished it
@Hungry_Hunter
@Hungry_Hunter 2 жыл бұрын
@@gregsutton6258 the old story of the fools in Canberra looking after themselves and forgetting about the northern part of Oz.
@djcoopes7569
@djcoopes7569 Жыл бұрын
@@Hungry_Hunter should've built Canberra in Alice Springs
@kyctchou8413
@kyctchou8413 2 жыл бұрын
Build a canal into the region so that ships can go in to load the goods.
@linmal2242
@linmal2242 2 жыл бұрын
You got the money? And where would it go; the Great Sandy Desert, the Tanami Desert? Great Victoria Desert (348,750sq.km) Great Sandy Desert (267,250sq.km) Tanami Desert (184,500sq.km) Simpson Desert (176,500sq.km) Gibson Desert (156,000sq.km) Little Sandy Desert (111,500sq.km) Strzelecki Desert (80,250sq.km)
@dennyli9339
@dennyli9339 2 жыл бұрын
Tropical soil is typically not good for agriculture...... Cotton and tropical fruits in direct competition with Asean produces... Arid area, good for solar industry
@linmal2242
@linmal2242 2 жыл бұрын
That's about it, and beefsteaks !
@croxy57
@croxy57 2 жыл бұрын
Tropical soil not good for agriculture? You have obviously never been there to see how well crops grow. Have a look at crops in Brazil, Zimbabwe where world records are set for maize, sugar, cotton grown in the tropics
@dennyli9339
@dennyli9339 Жыл бұрын
@@croxy57 Tropical and sub-tropical Brasil are yet to develop...
@TheKevMaster
@TheKevMaster Жыл бұрын
Should also look into the Bakun hydro electric project in Malaysia
@ppolo12
@ppolo12 2 жыл бұрын
2:30 anglos have the best naming creativity lol
@LawatheMEid
@LawatheMEid 2 жыл бұрын
If something costs million $ in 60s, it worth more comparing to this year, so you depend on gold price or what? Thanks.
@robman2095
@robman2095 2 жыл бұрын
CPI I guess. I doubt it would be gold price which fluctuates greatly according to movements in other financial markets.
@dyingearth
@dyingearth 11 ай бұрын
Nice use of Harry Ord from Turn A Gundam. One of the few Char Clone thats not villainous.
@vanrozay8871
@vanrozay8871 2 жыл бұрын
the area soil looks like ideal farmland; add water, and very productive fruit, vegetable growing region.
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and all the bugs that prey on crops too....
@davidprice3456
@davidprice3456 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting as far as it went but it stopped in 2016. What has happened in the 5 years since?
@dannyjohnmcmanus9615
@dannyjohnmcmanus9615 2 жыл бұрын
Kununurra (prounounced Kun-a-nurra) You forgot the Durack Family (cattle &n beef). They initially pushed the WA Govt in that direction. Very prosperous atm :-)
@ViceCoin
@ViceCoin 2 жыл бұрын
What about projects to manage the droughts and floods?
@blueycarlton
@blueycarlton 2 жыл бұрын
The Kimberley is an area (400,000km2) in size, it is larger than Germany with a population of just 35,000. Kununurra has around 10,000 pop.and is 3,000km from the state capital Perth (2 million pop.) Outside of Perth there is only 600,000 people in all of Western Australia. Over 800km Kununurra to Darwin (pop.130,000). Building a rail line from Perth to Kununurra is the equivalent of building one from London to Instanbul with hardly any one in between or at the destination. To Port Hedland (pop.15,000) where all the iron ore is shipped from is 1,500km away. Wyndham (pop. 800) is the nearest deep water port and is just 80km away but it has a tidal range of 8 metres! (26 feet) Broome is 1,000km and also has huge tides. Poor soils, climate, distance, lack of people, lack of regular rainfall in such a vast area.
@chrishand3010
@chrishand3010 2 жыл бұрын
It is an amazing sight to fully comprehend. It is enormous, more clean water in one area than some countries have in decades. The area will work, propaganda like this dribble is not helpful. There are many many other crops other than cotton that will give returns.
@TheEarthHistorysConfusing
@TheEarthHistorysConfusing 2 жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned it’s like that because of flood plain harvesting.
@scottfranco1962
@scottfranco1962 2 жыл бұрын
Sooooo close....100k.
@damo9997
@damo9997 2 жыл бұрын
I think they had a crack at growing rice too - but the local ibis population pulled them up faster than they could be planted!
@krakendragonslayer1909
@krakendragonslayer1909 2 жыл бұрын
7:23 this is "really long term"?! We in Poland grow oaks for profit, they need 80-120 years before they are ready to harvest. This is the long term. They can be harvested after 40 years and before 250 years, but optimized profit is for ~80yo trees (120 on poor soil).
@jk-xm7fi
@jk-xm7fi 2 жыл бұрын
10 years is really long time when it needs constant irrigation and pest control. however I wish more places had the foresight to make those 100+ year investments
@krakendragonslayer1909
@krakendragonslayer1909 2 жыл бұрын
@@jk-xm7fi indeed it requires very little of labour, except of every 25 young trees planted only 1 reaches full value, rest is being cut much, much earlier
@zorbalight3933
@zorbalight3933 2 жыл бұрын
Bottomless money pit (your clickbait descriptors included) is what I call a fisherman's exaggeration. The one accurate statement you made in regard to the money is you totalled it from 1950. For Australia to garner a fresh water supply 45 times the size of Sydney Harbour on the driest continent on earth is a good result even if we didn't grow a single thing for a lousy 1.5 B over 50 years. As for the soil being poor, go and research the early drip irrigation CSIRO scientist did with the Israelis and see what has been done in desert sands over there. The early results ( rice being an example) and failures (if you further research) were all about pests eating the crops and here I mean the winged feathered variety arriving from the near north countries and getting so fat they couldn't fly off the fields. At last count I think there were over 75 different crops growing there - so much for the poor soils. A very myopic review that clearly gives a lop sided view of the past and scant inclusion of future opportunities for an overcrowded planet imo.
@oscarsusan3834
@oscarsusan3834 2 жыл бұрын
Hear ,Hear, we’ll stated.There are statistics and statistics.
@duffman2285
@duffman2285 2 жыл бұрын
And the fact that lake argyle dose have a 30megawatt hydro power station
@pmorton7960
@pmorton7960 2 жыл бұрын
Developing a rail infrastructure would have made sense. No point to increase capacity if it costs too much to get in and out. I took a flight around that are once, Rockingham and Cairns. It was so barren out there. Ill always remember because I looke out the window and one of our wings was leaking fuel half the flight, and looking down nothing but dirt and rocks, nowhere for an emergency landing until the airfield, 😆 🤣
@albatross5466
@albatross5466 2 жыл бұрын
Putting the transportation issue aside, it would seem that the hydro power station would have lead to more development in the area by increasing potential industry. I don't have any further info regarding necessity or viability of any industry there, but agriculture looks unpromising at best. It looks like they were trying to copy the US southwest water/agriculture projects, which have enjoyed success.
@davidgillman5368
@davidgillman5368 Жыл бұрын
I agree with Teoh-Railways and road infrastructure need to be developed first.
@PikaCantSub
@PikaCantSub 2 жыл бұрын
1:20 I laughed pretty hard at that
@gg4u481
@gg4u481 2 жыл бұрын
Northern Queensland is rich with plentiful potential soon unlocked. It will be growing heaps in the coming decade with the railway completing soon and the dams that'll undoubtedly get approved in the coming 8 years. You'll want to be holding on to and buying property up there and down here around Brizzy.
@svilenov7
@svilenov7 2 жыл бұрын
They should have built a railway to that Wyndham port. Isn't it obvous?
@MrBoliao98
@MrBoliao98 Жыл бұрын
How about growing palm oil in the region?
@maxwalker1159
@maxwalker1159 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@stevengill1736
@stevengill1736 2 жыл бұрын
Just hope the runoff doesn't affect the Great Barrier Reef....
@Waldemarvonanhalt
@Waldemarvonanhalt 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder, is it theoretically possible to create reverse-flowing rivers and estuary systems?
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 2 жыл бұрын
Everytime the tide comes back in. It's about 9 m for Ord.
@Quickshot0
@Quickshot0 2 жыл бұрын
Well you kind of brought it up yourself, but I guess they fulfilled some of the strategic goals with it in the end? And even if it isn't very profitable, it apparently is at least some what self sustaining? So over all, I guess they managed to make the North a bit less desolate.
@zhaoluyue1995
@zhaoluyue1995 2 жыл бұрын
Sir Harry Ord. Wait what?!
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