Monica Seles v Steffi Graf Extended Highlights | Australian Open 1993 Final

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Жыл бұрын

Watch the extended highlights of Monica Seles v Steffi Graf in the final of the Australian Open 1993.
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@petea1918
@petea1918 11 ай бұрын
Monica Seles was a great player and one of the very best.
@michelez715
@michelez715 9 ай бұрын
She was also a nice person, bubbly, happy and gracious to her fans. I was reading abt Ted Tinling, who had a huge input on the women's tour, right to designing Evert's wedding dress, and BJK's dress in the match against Riggs. He was a great mentor, advisor and friend for 50 odd years to the women's game. At his memorial service, Evert was one of the speakers, and abt 2 other players. 4 front row seats had been reserved in the church for all the women players they thought wd come, but none of them did, not even BJK. At the last moment, having just won the French Open a couple of weeks earlier, Seles battled through the press and photographers, and was the only player to show up, apart from the 3 mentioned above.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 2 ай бұрын
@@michelez715 Sly PR move by IMG.
@joeyconvery2055
@joeyconvery2055 27 күн бұрын
​@@carrerau7138Poor Steffi... Steffi looks terrified of Monica in this final. 😂
@antzooma
@antzooma 2 күн бұрын
we know
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 2 күн бұрын
@@joeyconvery2055 No wonder since Steffi had lost one of previous four matches against the grunter…
@jamesr2164
@jamesr2164 Жыл бұрын
Seles was an absolutely phenomenal tennis player. Not to diminish Graf's accomplishments, but although Graf had been on the tour since the early '80s and at the time of the stabbing had collected 11 singles grand slams, Seles within just a few short years had already amassed 8 singles grand slams. Still to this day no one in the open era has ever won as much and as fast as Seles did from the moment they turned professional. Although we will never know what could have been, one thing is for certain we were all robbed of a rivalry between the two that could have been similar to Evert and Navratilova.
@delmonto2079
@delmonto2079 11 ай бұрын
If it ever happened it would've been by far the best woman's rivalry ever Chris and martina's wouldn't even be in the same conversation
@raytiesings1
@raytiesings1 9 ай бұрын
🎯
@Edin-vt9uq
@Edin-vt9uq 7 ай бұрын
Steffie's achievements are a direct result of Seles stabbing. Monica Seles is statistically the greatest tennis player of all time.
@ivanford7313
@ivanford7313 6 ай бұрын
Nope. Monica's father was diagnosed with terminal cancer several months after the Hamburg incident. That was enough to destroy her motivation.
@jansnauwaert1785
@jansnauwaert1785 6 ай бұрын
Yes, she was. She had an unequaled fighting spirit, a very high intelligence of the game, a very good serve, a fabulous return, and ground strokes like no other. Her energy seemed limitless.
@barvepranav
@barvepranav 9 ай бұрын
the way Seles attacked Graf's backhand is something to admire.
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 8 ай бұрын
Monica's power off both wings, which was unprecedented in Steffi's era! Graf's backhand was actually a real weakness! Seles would punish the backhand over and over with deep sharp angles, wait for a short reply, and then pound the ball down the line to Steffi's forehand.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 Graf's backhand wasn't a weakness. Go watch the 1999 French semifinal. That backhand kept Monica on her back foot.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
But still she lost in 10 of 15 matches against the German superstar, often terribly.
@bryguy0111
@bryguy0111 7 күн бұрын
@@carrerau7138 tell the whole story though as head to head records never mean that much... monica was three years dominating the sport (except on grass|) and was 3-1 in slam finals against graf... in fact for those three years 90-93 graf was not even making finals so seles could beat her even more...the stabbing changed everything and too bad as it would have been great to see both these legends playing their best in their primes against each other but Monica was never as good when she came back and graf was getting near the end of her career.. this match here was the closest we got to seeing them at their physical prime, though monica was still improving ever 6 months as was graf... and the 10-5 record shows head to head will always favors the older player... 3 wins over seles when she was 15 and had no serve or forehand really or any strength at 100 pounds.. same dynamic with Martina N and graf head to head ( martina won a lot of the earlier encunters due to age)
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 7 күн бұрын
@@bryguy0111 H2H always means a lot. Seles was only dominant for 2 and not for 3 years. At the end of 1990 Steffi still had a bigger advantage in the WTA rankings than Seles ever had later. That Steffi missed only 7 slam matches in the whole 1987-96 decade but that 5 of those misses happened between mid-1990 and 1992 tells the story. Steffi was so bad during that time that she a) missed many slam finals and b) lost several even when she reached them. The stabbing didn't change a lot. A resurgent Steffi may have lost one of two slams she won during Seles's absence. But she would have won Wimbledon 94 with Seles being in the draw. Steffi still would have won 21-22 slams. Seles may have won 12-14. In the first 14 months after her return Seles was as good as she had been. Was 54-6 win/loss with 2 losses against peak Steffi. A 56-4 win/loss record would have meant exactly the same winning percentage as in her top year 1992. Navratilova and Evert fans always tell me than that the H2H record always favors the younger player.
@HarryPorter-gd1rq
@HarryPorter-gd1rq Жыл бұрын
Monica was literally Steffi worst nightmare before the stabbing..
@TheNathanj2009
@TheNathanj2009 Жыл бұрын
Seles only won the French in 1992 10-8 and she got only 3 games from Graf at Wimbledon, Graf won both their meetings in 1991 including when they played on clay. I’m a fan of both but Seles never dominated Graf , ever.
@oliverjuria993
@oliverjuria993 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheNathanj2009 you are just as lunatic as the dead stabber gunther parche to say seles never dominated graf, pre stabbing.
@bryguy0111
@bryguy0111 Жыл бұрын
@@TheNathanj2009 I think we are talking slams here not two small tournaments in 91..Monica after rye 93 Aussie was dominating the game snd Graf 3-1 in slam finals
@McClernand4
@McClernand4 Жыл бұрын
It was sooner Navratilova, with her serve-and-volley game.
@TheNathanj2009
@TheNathanj2009 Жыл бұрын
@@JamesD-iw6pr Graf improved when she changed from the outdated Dunlop racket she was still using until the end of 1993, peak Graf was 94-96. If the stabbing hadn’t happened we could have watched a great rivalry unfortunately we will never know how good their matches may have been. Graf had a mid career slump 90-93. Imagine if they had faced off in Melbourne 94 when Graf had switched rackets? That would have been fascinating, instead Graf beat Sanchez 60 62….I believe Sanchez owns 3 of her 4 slams thanks to Gunter Parche!
@matthewbuck5067
@matthewbuck5067 Жыл бұрын
Seles, while already an amazing player, was still improving and Graf’s form was higher than the previous 3 years. What a rivalry we missed out on. These two would’ve pushed each other to the limit.
@michelez715
@michelez715 9 ай бұрын
It would have been a rivalry, certainly, but I think Seles had taken space in Graf's mind, and would have won their head to head, just as Navratilova overtook Evert's initial lead.
@McClernand4
@McClernand4 9 ай бұрын
@@michelez715 are you so sure ?
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@michelez715 Nah, Graf's game improved. Her backhand was knocking Monica over at the 1999 French.
@archangelmusic13
@archangelmusic13 6 ай бұрын
@@tennispeak monica wasnt the same player after the stabbing, her losing to aranxta after the stabbing is proof of that, she dominated aranxta before the stabbing
@archangelmusic13
@archangelmusic13 6 ай бұрын
i dont agree with mathew. i dont think it would have been much of a rivalry, seles was leaving graf in the dust, and this match proved it.
@mirzicd
@mirzicd Жыл бұрын
I love you Monica!❤️
@adammendez9297
@adammendez9297 10 ай бұрын
Gosh how heartbreaking to see what an amazing match this was before the stabbing. These two would have played thrillers and we never got to see it. Monica’s backhand crosscourt and down the line were devastating.
@michelez715
@michelez715 9 ай бұрын
Seles was the best returner of second serves I ever saw, man or woman. She just crushed them.
@ivanford7313
@ivanford7313 6 ай бұрын
Monica's father was diagnosed with terminal cancer several months after the Hamburg incident. A double blow for her motivation.... she was never the same again. Graf was mentally stronger, even while facing prison time for tax evasion in Germany.
@Volker7578
@Volker7578 4 ай бұрын
You cannot compare that.​@@ivanford7313
@jujumusique1305
@jujumusique1305 4 күн бұрын
@@ivanford7313 people put bad press because of a tax-evading wife-cheating father on the same level as being stabbed and finding out your father has cancer and draw conclusions. And at the same time make all sorts of excuses for Graf’s inability to regain the top for 2+ years.
@Raja-tj9yd
@Raja-tj9yd Жыл бұрын
That shot of Seles at 7:18 is a reminiscent of Rafa Nadal's Forehand on the run. So, beautiful to watch this from Seles 🔥
@showtell8905
@showtell8905 9 ай бұрын
Monica Seles was the Clear #1 at the time of stabbing (defending champ at 3 slams) and that Graf was a Clear #2 (W champ plus runner-up at AO and FO). Seles was #1 and had been for 2 years before the stabbing. The stabbing of the #1 made the #2 the top player again! That crazed german fan got his wish!
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
"Clear #1"?? Seles had only a narrow lead in the WTA rankings just before the stabbing. With a win at the FO 93 Steffi would have regained her #1 ranking anyway. So stop your lies, you sick hater.
@karamazov93
@karamazov93 Жыл бұрын
You could see how much Monica was still progressing, serve looked much stronger than it did a couple of years ago. Sadly because of the stabbing/time out of the game don’t think we can say for sure we ever saw her real peak (tho still incredible run from ‘90-93 winning 8 majors)
@sandorkarolyi3255
@sandorkarolyi3255 Жыл бұрын
Mónika Szeles is my all-time favourite female player. She playing intelligence and unique style are by far outstanding. Unfortunately, she career was incomplete due to her knife attack.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak Жыл бұрын
You could see her also getting bigger and the frame of her body changing. It affected her mobility.
@jamesr2164
@jamesr2164 Жыл бұрын
Karamazov93 totally agree. You can see that her game was still changing and progressing and getting stronger at the beginning of 93. I also don't believe that she had quite hit her peak yet, but then the stabbing changed all of that.
@aleksandarfrick2656
@aleksandarfrick2656 10 ай бұрын
@@sandorkarolyi3255 By fan of Steffi Graf ! Don't forget his name : Gunter Prahe
@rrubio6660
@rrubio6660 9 ай бұрын
Uhmmm...she WAS the number one player all those years and dog walked Steffi the whole time.
@Ricky-mo6mv
@Ricky-mo6mv 11 ай бұрын
It’s interesting to watch the QF match this same year between Steffi and Capriati. Steffi completely controlled the points and the match was on her racket. When she faced Monica in this final, it was clearly Monica dictating a majority of the points and rallies.
@similikiti378
@similikiti378 Жыл бұрын
High quality match from both!!!
@maciejgudel2939
@maciejgudel2939 Жыл бұрын
Thrilling finale, two stars 🌟 Facing each other women's tennis.
@hostersonkylla9151
@hostersonkylla9151 2 ай бұрын
Usually Seles lost to other players esp. Sabatini, Graf, Capriati Sanchez etc, in other tournaments, but when it comes to Slams she was of different breed- physically and mentality. Just Awesome to watch. Cheers!
@whateverwhatever5715
@whateverwhatever5715 11 ай бұрын
The double handed threat of Monica Seles can't be matched ...she was unstoppable..it was because of her and Andre that I picked up a racquet
@proudmoroccan8164
@proudmoroccan8164 5 ай бұрын
A truly classic final between two legendary players.
@ottodoerr409
@ottodoerr409 Жыл бұрын
Great tennis match from two legends , this is from the good old days, thanks a lot for posting this one, unfortunally the quality picture isn't that good, I believe it's a little compress, but anyhow, thanks a lot.
@teddyirons8240
@teddyirons8240 Жыл бұрын
What a shame that Seles' career was interrupted like it was. She was getting the better of Graf during this period. On a separate note, the celebrations at winning a slam like the AO were so much more subdued compared today. It's as if the AO was a normal WTA tournament by today's standards.
@kayanoreeves1949
@kayanoreeves1949 5 ай бұрын
6:26 Seles serving and volleying is the craziest thing ever.
@user-ej5ye9cf7m
@user-ej5ye9cf7m 10 ай бұрын
Huge huge match from Seles. She won Steffi Graf in final. Who else could have done that? Nobody, i think. Moreover, one of the best tennis-matches i have ever seen.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 2 ай бұрын
I think Sabatini would have beaten Steffi that day as well.
@jujumusique1305
@jujumusique1305 4 күн бұрын
@@carrerau7138 lol
@jujumusique1305
@jujumusique1305 4 күн бұрын
No one. Graf was the second best player on tour and despite a losing streak vs Sabatini in 1991, at no point did she fall behind anyone else than Seles. And this was her 3rd slam final of the last 4 and she went on to win the next 4…
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 4 күн бұрын
@@jujumusique1305 Yes, after the end of the Graf Blackmail Scandal in February 1992 Steffi improved constantly until April 1994 when her back problems started. She had been only 65-8 win/loss in 1991 but was 80-2 win/loss in the first 12 months after the Seles stabbing. 80-2!! That was Navratilova 83/84 or Steffi 88/89 level!!
@ex-yukaraoke.v.246
@ex-yukaraoke.v.246 11 ай бұрын
Yugoslavia ❤
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 2 ай бұрын
A dictatorship. Thank God long gone.
@vivoangelomatinhos
@vivoangelomatinhos 9 ай бұрын
A impressão é que simplesmente a maior rival da graff simplesmente saiu de cena aos 19. Pelo que entendi não foi apenas facada e sim depressão também.
@kangarooswild
@kangarooswild 9 ай бұрын
feels like I'm watching a Nadal Federer with the style of play from Seles (like Nadal) & Graf (like Federer). Monica & Steffi both legendary players...
@TheNathanj2009
@TheNathanj2009 Жыл бұрын
Gunter Parche robbed Seles but he also robbed us of potentially fantastic match ups such as a rematch of this in 1994 when Graf changed to a more modern racket. Graf looked close to unbeatable in Melbourne in 1994, Seles would have been her only proper competition. Same a US open of 1993, it would have been fascinating to see a match up there on a faster hardcourt. Also if Seles had played Wimbledon in 1994 she may have won it (if Graf is losing in round one to McNeil) what if… what if…
@Enjanginsaudiarabia
@Enjanginsaudiarabia 10 ай бұрын
Yess
@vikramrana5274
@vikramrana5274 9 ай бұрын
Monica seles was better than Steffi graf and the best women's tennis player till date. In her prime she would have defeated all current women tennis players.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
So good she only made on Wimbledon final. Amazing! 😅
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 6 ай бұрын
@ Gedfo: she only played 2 Wimbledons so to reach a final so quickly was amazing. Steffi needed several before she eventually won one. Seles would have easily improved more on the surface.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@yussepig6629@yussepig6629 After Monica came back in 1993, she made the final of every GS except Wimbledon, where she lost 2R, 2 3Rs, and 2 QFs. She wasn't going to win Wimbledon. No approach shot, no net game. Steffi needed several years and then won SEVEN of them. See how ridiculous you sound. 😁
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 6 ай бұрын
@ gedfo: don’t be an imbecile ,she was fat and scarred for life on her return to the tour. You can’t compare this to the player she was before. If the same had happened to Graf she would win zero Slams.
@kayanoreeves1949
@kayanoreeves1949 5 ай бұрын
Nobody knows what would have happened because of the stabbing. Seles wasn’t exactly dominating Graf in every match. Their level was extremely close and Graf is a steely champion. It’s sad we didn’t get many more epic grand slam finals between them.
@koshur_saruf
@koshur_saruf Жыл бұрын
Monica was truly GOAT. rot in hell Gunther
@tennispeak
@tennispeak Жыл бұрын
Monica couldn't play on grass. No net game. No Go No Goat.
@koshur_saruf
@koshur_saruf Жыл бұрын
@@tennispeak Sampras never won the french open. could not play well on clay still he is the GOAT
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
@@koshur_saruf Sampras is not the GOAT 😜🤭
@koshur_saruf
@koshur_saruf 8 ай бұрын
@@tennispeak speak for yourself
@sexypara
@sexypara 4 ай бұрын
@gedfo Then how come she got to the Wimbledon final, and probably only lost because she was self conscious about her grunting at such a prestigious moment. She was more than capable and hardly dropped a set on the way to that first final.
@edgarlopez6019
@edgarlopez6019 Ай бұрын
Seles hubiera sido la mejor jugadora de todos los tiempos ...lo demostró en poco tiempo y muy joven
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 Жыл бұрын
Seles made Graf irrelevant . Graf would be stuck on 11 slams if Seles wasn’t stabbed
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
Graf far superior to Seles. Seles moved like a hippopotamus on grass.
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
Graf 6-2 6-1 at Wimbledon, and Monica was No.1, what an embarrassment. Seles irrelevant. She should have stayed in bed lol
@teddyirons8240
@teddyirons8240 Жыл бұрын
@@stacked7476 Grass is only one major. There are 3 others. Seles was dominating in the period from 1991 up to her stabbing winning 7 of 9 slams. There's a well-documented reason why Günter Parche stabbed Seles.
@andreacareri5768
@andreacareri5768 Жыл бұрын
Monica seles amazing👏 its sad that she got stabbed ... Probably she would have been the greatest female tennis player of all time..!
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
Any recognition for Steffi? Or just another obsessed Seles fan who is too bitter to even acknowledge the other player. Seles fans always act very childish for some reason. The two of them are exceptional and the standard from both in this match was insane.
@andreacareri5768
@andreacareri5768 Жыл бұрын
@Stacked747 yes of course Steffi was amazing too i mean she was basically almost unbeatable ! And her records its truly amazing👏...!
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
@@andreacareri5768 Very well said.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
Steffi Graf, greatest footwork and forehand in the history of the game.
@deepakmahajan170
@deepakmahajan170 Жыл бұрын
Monica was 3-1 against graf in slam finals. Stabbing changed history and inflated graf record who had vicario sabitini as rivals post stabbing. Rofl😂😂
@tennispeak
@tennispeak Жыл бұрын
Steffi was 6-4 head to head. Last 4 matches before stabbing they were 2-2. Graf is GOAT with or without stabbing.
@deepakmahajan170
@deepakmahajan170 Жыл бұрын
@@tennispeak no one cares about rome and msdrid. People remember slams. Fact remains monica was 3-1 in slam finals most important matches. Graf slam record is broken by serena without henin venus getting stabbed. Graf record was jnflated by seles srabbing. She was never or is not a goat
@deepakmahajan170
@deepakmahajan170 Жыл бұрын
@@tennispeak Graf won against teen monica bingo. But lost slam finals pre stabbing. Which matters more. She needed her fan to stab monica. Graf record was inflated by monica stabbing
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 Жыл бұрын
Seles handed Graf her ass . Won 7 out of 8 slams . Graf was her lunch bag
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
Steffi the best of all time
@felipegavilan297
@felipegavilan297 4 ай бұрын
Cuanta calidad! Nunca hemos visto nuevamente partidos como estos en el tenis femenino. Lamentablemente, el atentado contra Seles nos impidió disfrutar de probables muchos años más de gran tenis. Steffi siguió jugando, pero sin nadie que le hiciera el contrapeso.
@araka3279
@araka3279 Жыл бұрын
Si elles jouaient à notre époque, avec les nouvelles techniques de tennis d'aujourd'hui, ces deux joueuses seraient très dures à battre.
@iceice8327
@iceice8327 Жыл бұрын
If you want to know how to dominate tennis matches, study Monica and Graf’s way of playing the game. Their game was effective and just beautiful to watch.
@Gabriel.Onetto
@Gabriel.Onetto 9 ай бұрын
Seles was the most terrifying dream come true for the German
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 2 ай бұрын
As #1 player the Yugo lost 5 of 7 matches against the German. The worst H2h record of a #1 player against any opponent of all-time. A record that will stand until the end of time. Never was a #1 player dominated like this.
@ericthranduillvargaspenafl4011
@ericthranduillvargaspenafl4011 3 ай бұрын
Those lime/olive-y colored courts have a different feel..missed seeing those on tourneys
@MF-xz6fv
@MF-xz6fv 8 ай бұрын
Monica The Goat
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 8 ай бұрын
@@tennispeak Consider how young Monica Seles was in 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993 when she was CLEARLY the best player in women's tennis. This goes back to the statement about competition ... Graf could not compare with Seles in those months between the 1990 Tour Championships and the stabbing in April 1993 ... even as young as Seles was, she was clearly the #1 player in women's tennis and this was AFTER Graf had had her best years in women's tennis in 1987-1989!
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 In 1990 and 1993 Steffi had a far higher lead in the WTA rankings than Seles ever had. And in "those months between the 1990 Tour Championships and the stabbing in April 1993" Steffi was 3-2 win/loss against Seles. With two Steffi wins being clear routs. You are a sick clown. Get professional help!
@dominicmilan8195
@dominicmilan8195 2 ай бұрын
i think this is the best era fof women's tennis a mixed of power and tactics unlike before this which was all tactics, and now all bout power
@PhaniRanjan-cw3pb
@PhaniRanjan-cw3pb 4 ай бұрын
Monica Seles is renowned for her use of a double-handed grip on both her forehand and backhand shots, a technique she employed for the majority of her shots. However, determining her dominant hand solely based on her gameplay can be challenging. Without observing her serve, it's difficult to definitively classify her as either left- or right-handed.
@musicpainting1520
@musicpainting1520 Жыл бұрын
Seles took initiative to volley. Wow
@Tommy-xt6st
@Tommy-xt6st 27 күн бұрын
In terms of how much a player changed the sport, Seles is superior than Graf. Not only her 2-handed strokes was groundbreaking, her aggressiveness and the ability to change the direction of the ball were super impressive. Oh and her grunt which comparing to those after her was nothing, though she was really criticized for it.
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
The forehand from Graf at 0:41 is like a rocket. She’s two feet behind the baseline. She creates so much power, and from such a last second swing.
@jl3322
@jl3322 Жыл бұрын
SHE LOST TO SELES AGAIN! 😊
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
@@jl3322 Graf is da best in da whole wide world
@deepakmahajan170
@deepakmahajan170 Жыл бұрын
@@stacked7476 Graf needed a stabber to earn her slams Everyone knows
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
@@deepakmahajan170 Not you again. I’m surprised you haven’t stabbed Steffi in return. Grow up deepsack
@cyriljacob4839
@cyriljacob4839 Жыл бұрын
And Seles 90% shots were rocket
@Prince_Charmless
@Prince_Charmless Жыл бұрын
Graf's career was revived when Monica was stabbed. Graf family is very shady they had something to do with the stabbing.
@karadiberlino
@karadiberlino Жыл бұрын
You‘re insane! 😂
@cyriljacob4839
@cyriljacob4839 Жыл бұрын
Look at her mother face. She was cunning.
@stacked7476
@stacked7476 Жыл бұрын
Graf just the greatest of all time
@JordanjamesX
@JordanjamesX 10 ай бұрын
A lot of people believe this and I do. I think Peter Graf in particular may have paid off Gunther Parche to stab Monica.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
Graf's career was revived because she trained and was always getting better. Monica's commitment to training showed when she came back in 1995.
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 8 ай бұрын
Even at her best, second ranked Graf was still unable to beat number one Seles! I recalled Graf was in tears at the press conference after this loss to #1 Seles!
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
They were 3-3 from 1990-1992. I know you Seles fans like to rewrite history.
@lovemonicaseles
@lovemonicaseles 6 ай бұрын
​@@tennispeakSeles had the upperhand as she was still rising and improving plus she was five years younger. Graf didn't cry at the pressconference for nothing
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@lovemonicaseles Yes three sets to win. Losses to Sabitini, Capriati, Martina, and Sanchez in 1992 but still rising .... 😁
@lovemonicaseles
@lovemonicaseles 6 ай бұрын
@@tennispeak Hard is it? To give credit where it's due? Name one female player who had 8 Slams at 19. I'll wait. Seles is/was the most legendary player ever
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@lovemonicaseles Graf had six...plus a Grand Slam...plus a Gold Medal...plus 9 Grand Slam finals in a row. Much better resume..
@maka3230
@maka3230 9 ай бұрын
For your reminder monica won her first slam only at age 15-16. She barely reached her full potential. Overall monica was a better player than steffi.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
Overall you don't know what you're talking about. Monica had no serve, no approach, no volley and as soon as you took her out wide and got her to take a hand off her forehand she was toast.
@timeanagy8495
@timeanagy8495 4 ай бұрын
@@tennispeak And nobody realized it, and she won 8 GS till the age of 19...
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 4 ай бұрын
@@timeanagy8495 and yet no Wimbledon and no Grand Slam. 6 losses in 1990. 7 in 1991. 5 in 1992. Some dominance.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
When was Seles better than Steffi was in 1988/89?
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@timeanagy8495 But why did Seles win 8 slams until age 19?
@th8257
@th8257 11 ай бұрын
Just like grass was Steffi's best surface to play Monica, I think the Rebound Ace was Monica's best surface to play Steffi. It really suited the Boletierri style power baseline game. Agassi, Courier and Pierce all also had great results on it. It was a bit slower than the hard courts at the US Open and the ball sat up, making it easier to whack. Among the wider tour though it was not popular. When it was hot it melted and got dangerous resulting in a number of high profile injuries. Martina Navratilova said it was one of the reasons she stopped playing the Australian open after 1989 (she mentioned how she burnt her knee on it once getting down low for a volley). Interestingly, she said that when the tournament was moved from Kooyong they consulted the players about which surface they wanted. The players said they didn't want Rebound Ace but were ignored. Aussie players Pat Cash and Leyton Hewitt were both also very critical of it.
@michelez715
@michelez715 9 ай бұрын
Seles also had Graf's number on clay.
@th8257
@th8257 8 ай бұрын
​@@michelez715?? Their head to head on clay is 3-3. Nobody had anybody's number on clay.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
@@michelez715 No she didn't! 😆
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 9 ай бұрын
Seles would have owned the 90s decade and ultimately GOAT ...8 Slams at 19 yo and was on track and heavy favorite to win the French, US Open and even Wimbledon that year in 1993. So she would have won 11-12 slams before her 20th birthday. Simply Amazing!
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
Nobody in the history of tennis has continued tennis GS surges consecutive years in a row. I understand your wishful thinking but in Monica's three peak years she had 18 losses. Compare that with Graf's peak three years of only 7 losses.
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 8 ай бұрын
@@tennispeak We can never know for sure what would have happened, but we can go on the best available evidence - namely, Monica Seles's domination of the Grand Slams and clear undisputed#1 player in the world before she was stabbed by the Graf fan! What could possibly be more obvious and decisive than the fact that the #2 player Graf immediately won 3 different slams that she hadn't won in between 3.5 to 5 *years* as soon as the player who had been *dominating them* left the scene!
@deepakmahajan170
@deepakmahajan170 6 ай бұрын
Not 12. 11 only if she had won all four slams in 1993. 10 surely as teenager I feel
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 She wasn't the clearly undisputed #1 player. Do you forget that from 1990-1992 Graf and Seles were 3-3? Monica's best season pales in comparison to Graf's. Her 1992 year doesn't even finish in the top 10 of the overall wins/losses record. Stop trying to rewrite history.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 When Steffi makes all slam finals in a year she always wins most of them. BTW, have you checked the history of women's tennis since WW2? Have a look at other players who amassed 7-9 slams within 3 years. And check how much they won in the following 3 years on average. Right, only 2 or 3 slams.... So your assumption that Seles would have won tons of slams in 1993-95 without the stabbing has no basis.
@TheMordecai1985
@TheMordecai1985 Ай бұрын
Can’t help but notice how baseline heavy the game was already becoming by this point. I always thought this era had othing but serve and volley. Cool to actually revisit this.
@TheMistressAditi
@TheMistressAditi Ай бұрын
What a fantastic rivalry! We were robbed of it by this horrendous stabbing. But I have to say, that I am annoyed by those people saying, Graf was dominated by Seles before. This is simply not true. They were evenly matched. Everything else is just make believe.
@mimalikalia
@mimalikalia 6 ай бұрын
Sin menospreciar a Graf, Seles irrumpió en el circuito como un tsunami, Graf no hubiese conseguido lo que consiguió si Seles no hubiese sido apuñalada, las cifras de torneos de Grand Slam serían otras.
@HelmutEvrard
@HelmutEvrard 13 күн бұрын
My favourite female tennis player of all times, Monica 🥰
@jogiebrighton9926
@jogiebrighton9926 Ай бұрын
I’m a great fan of Monica Seles. Her grunting and two handed styles is one of a kind. Sadly, the stabbing incident was the game changer of her career.
@deepakmahajan170
@deepakmahajan170 Жыл бұрын
Monica was improving her serve, she was showing more all court game than graf and then graf fans got nerve to say she would've won 22 without stabbing. Her slam count will always be inflated. After seles stabbing, she had vicario and sabitini as rivals. Useless😂😂😂
@tennispeak
@tennispeak Жыл бұрын
Monica also was getting bigger. YOu can see her limited mobility in the 95 US Open.
@deepakmahajan170
@deepakmahajan170 Жыл бұрын
@@tennispeak she gained weight after stabbing. She won't have left the tour if there was no stabbing and had stayed fit. Graf fans and excuses go hand in hand
@clineezwood7942
@clineezwood7942 26 күн бұрын
Better rivalries back in the day, for sure.
@davidlukic7053
@davidlukic7053 Жыл бұрын
Ginter Parhe finally died few weeks ago. Every normal person is happy because of that. Justice.
@oliverjuria993
@oliverjuria993 Жыл бұрын
Steffi not happy that her number 1 fan (accomplice) is dead
@benwyld9149
@benwyld9149 Жыл бұрын
Hmm disagree. He died an old man, unpunished, who achieved what he set out to do. Monica’s brilliant career unfortunately is one that was never fully realised. There’s no justice with what happened to her.
@tobiasisback4605
@tobiasisback4605 Жыл бұрын
I still find it inexplicable that he went unpunished. What is wrong with the German justice system? Stab a teenager in the back with a boning knife and walk free because it benefited fraulein forehand, the German heroine. Some weird kind of nationalism going on from a nation that should know better.
@cyriljacob4839
@cyriljacob4839 Жыл бұрын
But steffi still got her life and her husband and kids. God can punish them still.
@tobiasisback4605
@tobiasisback4605 Жыл бұрын
@@cyriljacob4839 That's not fair, surely? It was not Steffi's fault and nothing to do with her husband and kids? Maybe I haven’t understood you.
@Fysman
@Fysman 5 ай бұрын
Monica was the best. Brought a whole new game to womens tennis and the grunting is'nt at all bad compared to players these days. If not for the stabbing, i think she would have been one of the GOATS, if not THE GOAT
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
How this?
@foritisi
@foritisi 9 ай бұрын
Peak Seles.
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 6 ай бұрын
No she was just getting started.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@yussepig6629 She was visibly getting fatter from 1991 to 1993. And that continued until 1998.
@rtr1233
@rtr1233 Жыл бұрын
Two of my faves. People used to go on and on about Monica's grunt - you can barely hear her!
@johnschmitt8046
@johnschmitt8046 Жыл бұрын
indeed, compared to some of the current grunters!! She only squeeked. Then came Screechapova and it was game on for the gunt/screechers!!
@Mysicalgreenunicorn03
@Mysicalgreenunicorn03 Жыл бұрын
Sablekelekeysyaa too
@andrews6341
@andrews6341 Жыл бұрын
She toned it down because of the media nonsense a few months prior but on her return it had returned and it was literally a scream , she is still classed as the third loudest grunter in history decibel wise .
@ralfbeckmann597
@ralfbeckmann597 Ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@pjw1980
@pjw1980 3 ай бұрын
10:19 Seles created angles that wasn’t even there!
@daviddora3454
@daviddora3454 11 ай бұрын
For me Seles always will be better than Steffi .. without stabbing there is no way graff could won all those GSs
@marcinrypina8956
@marcinrypina8956 2 ай бұрын
Nice to see two handed forhend in Seles and Graf using only beckend slice.
@normadesmond6017
@normadesmond6017 10 ай бұрын
yes . if only......
@th8257
@th8257 Жыл бұрын
Not regarded as one of their very best matches. Monica starting off slowly and a little nervously. Steffi in the kind of slightly patchy "winning ugly" form that she had been throughout the tournament. When Monica found her form, Steffi couldn't find a higher gear.
@benwyld9149
@benwyld9149 Жыл бұрын
In your opinion
@th8257
@th8257 Жыл бұрын
@@benwyld9149 and in quite a lot of others, too. It was described in Serve & Volley magazine at the time as an "interesting but not classic affair".
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 6 ай бұрын
Rubbish. Graf played amazing but Seles dismantled her.
@user-sd4hn5hi2l
@user-sd4hn5hi2l 3 ай бұрын
There was never another Alvis and there will never be another Seles
@mattie22
@mattie22 Жыл бұрын
Wonder why they didn’t show any of Monica’s aces she had 8 in this match anyway great highlights and Great match from both.
@Enjanginsaudiarabia
@Enjanginsaudiarabia 3 ай бұрын
Monica was amazing tennis player but Steffi also not bad. Their performance was better than 1992 FO. So many “what if” Monica wasn’t stabbed. So many speculations. But in my opinion their rivalry will be much longer than this.. Monica dominated in slow services such as AO and FO while Graf in Wimbledon and US Open
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
Steffi was a better clay-courter than Seles.
@JohnSeller-mq5vq
@JohnSeller-mq5vq 9 ай бұрын
What a PINT to WIN CHAMPIONSHIP!!! Like DJOKOVIĆ does it!! Well, HOW MANY GS WOULD be in her collection, if she would NOT be PREVENTED in HORABLE way!?? TO MANY, would be the most precise answer!!!
@christianplappert7215
@christianplappert7215 4 ай бұрын
Steffi had the chance of closing the match in the second set, unfortunalety hasn't...
@rageagainstmachineo1491
@rageagainstmachineo1491 8 ай бұрын
People talk as if Monica would have surpassed Steffis achievements har she not been stabbed. She was playing well against Graf due to her youth .
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 8 ай бұрын
Seles did SURPASS Gtaf and became#1. That was of course until she has brutally attacked by a fan of Graf!
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 Never had a winning record against Graf and in fact the last 5 matches before Monica was stabbed Graf had a 3-2 advantage. Monica wasn't number one by much.
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 8 ай бұрын
@@tennispeak Yeah ... also interesting that in the years 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993 until one of the Graf's fanatical fans decided to plant a knife into the back of the the TOP RANKED Seles on a changeover in Germany, the head-to-head records vs. Graf for both Martina Navratilova and Monica Seles had Graf LOSING to both of these players -- and Navratilova was in her 18th, 19th, 20th and 21st years on the tour in those years.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 During Steffi's career Sanchez and Hingis were also #1. And during Serena's career even players like Wozniacki, Safina, Azarenka, Jankovic were #1. So what?
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 Yes, in 1990-93 Steffi had a losing record EVEN against an over-the-hill Navratilova. Thank you for providing more proof for Steffi's severe slump. So no wonder that the second best player of that time, Monica Seles, had a lot of success.
@achourazilbrown9836
@achourazilbrown9836 2 ай бұрын
What thatdamn knife did for Monica's mind ,we should live in Monica 'records never beaten
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
You can see Monica's weight was becoming an issue.
@jjsggg1465
@jjsggg1465 8 ай бұрын
Delusional Lying Graf fan! 😂Please explain to everyone how #2 Graf really got back to the TOP in 1993!😂
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 Because she practiced! She trained! She improved her game. Steffi Graf was never out of shape or out of breath. How do you explain that? You Selestials are delusional. Monica loved butter and didn't practice as much as her peers. It's documented.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 Monica put butter on everything. Go look it up. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 6 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 Wimbledon 1992 also helped though we know you Selestials like to block it out.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@jjsggg1465 Steffi got back to the top because she made ALL slam finals in 1993 like she did in 1987-89 and 1995/96. Whereas she missed MOST slam finals in 1991/92.
@jl3322
@jl3322 Жыл бұрын
Graf was such a sore loser, everyone of her compatriots hated her and the only reason she won so many GS’s was because her fan tried to murder Seles which kept her out of the game for 2 yrs. Graf is a fraud in the record books.
@chrisarmelseyibayebek4977
@chrisarmelseyibayebek4977 Жыл бұрын
She is not a fraud she is a great champion but nowhere near where people put her, I dont think she would even be in Martina and Chrissie class of slams won she would be around 12-16 sharing the rest with Seles
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
@jl3322 Ohhh somone's bitter. Graf's opponents didn't hate her, it was Monica who was the standoffish one. Graf won the GOLDEN SLAM BEFORE SELES WAS STABBED. She was already GOAT material.
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
@@chrisarmelseyibayebek4977 Had she not been injured she would have won 30 slams. It's fun to play "what-ifs"
@Calicokit101
@Calicokit101 9 ай бұрын
Monica was better than Steffi on Rebound Ace, no doubt. On clay, it was even. On grass, indoors and fast hardcourts Steffi had the edge.
@michelez715
@michelez715 9 ай бұрын
Don't think Graf ever beat Seles at R Garros, so they weren't even on clay, imo.
@Calicokit101
@Calicokit101 9 ай бұрын
@@michelez715 she beat her twice there...1989 and 1999....she also beat her in Berlin 1991 on clay. 🤷‍♂️
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 8 ай бұрын
@@michelez715 Learn some tennis history before posting.
@tobiasisback4605
@tobiasisback4605 6 ай бұрын
@@Calicokit101Yes but in 1989 Seles was a spindly 15 year old and 1999 was post stabbing. Up until the stabbing Seles had a clear edge over Graf on clay. 1989-93, Seles led 3-2 on clay, 2-1 at RG and 2-0 in RG finals.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
@@tobiasisback4605 A clear edge over Graf on clay? Even if we conveniently ignore 1989 (age the excuse of the day there) Seles was only 2-1 win/loss on clay against Steffi in 1990-93. A) a 76 64 win at the FO 90 (with 74-73 on points played) B) a 57 76 36 loss in Hamburg 91 C) a 62 36 108 win at the FO 92 Seles won 47 games, Steffi 45 games. If that is a "clear edge" you have very low standards. What would be a "close edge" then for you?
@AdyHh-up9ez
@AdyHh-up9ez 3 ай бұрын
Seles was 3-1 in slam finals and has reduced their slam gap to just three slams despite five years age difference. Steffi 22 will always be inflated by stabbing
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
No, deflated. Even you will admit that with Seles being in the draw Steffi would have won Wimbledon 94 as well. And which slams would Steffi not have won without the stabbing??? We should concentrate far more on how Seles's slam count is inflated due to the nasty Graf Blackmail Scandal. I mean, Steffi made 13 slam finals in a row and suddenly she misses 5 of the next 9??? Sadly crime is a part of life....
@AdyHh-up9ez
@AdyHh-up9ez 3 ай бұрын
@@carrerau7138 lmao seles was 3-1 in slam finals against stabbergirl. Inflated. Graf would be at 15 slams maximum.
@AdyHh-up9ez
@AdyHh-up9ez 3 ай бұрын
@@carrerau7138 lmao stabbing is worse than any blackmail.graf was playing her best by 1992. And was still owned in slams..cope
@AS004-xf4jc
@AS004-xf4jc 4 ай бұрын
If that stabbing would not happened Monica could have won more grand slum than Steffi.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
How this???
@tennispeak
@tennispeak 5 ай бұрын
Hard facts Selestials: Monica was never on her way to becoming the greatest ever, she had 6 losses in 1990, 7 in 1991, and 5 in 1992. Her best year doesn't even come close to what Graf achieved with seasons of 2 losses in 1987, 3 in 1988, and 2 in 1989. Monica dominated---sure, sure 😆
@eyeshowyou
@eyeshowyou 2 ай бұрын
A real woman against an invert
@a66789
@a66789 3 ай бұрын
*
@McClernand4
@McClernand4 9 ай бұрын
Hey, Stef Duffy, where are you ? have you moved to another screenname ?
@oliverjuria993
@oliverjuria993 2 ай бұрын
this is where graf connived with that lunatic fan to save her ass from further beatings by Seles
@princeratna3187
@princeratna3187 7 ай бұрын
Steffi is nothing in front of seles before stabbed...
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
Steffi was 3-2 win/loss against #1 Seles pre-stabbing. That is far more than "nothing", you maroon.
@madhavyu
@madhavyu 3 ай бұрын
Peak Seles > Peak Graf
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
Peak Seles in 1991/92: 144-11 win/loss, 20 titles, 6 slams, 1-3 win/loss vs. main rival (Steffi) Peak Steffi in 1988/89: 159-5 win/loss, 25 titles, 7 slams & Olympic gold, 4-0 win/loss vs. main rival (Navratilova) It is not even close, you clown.
@tomedwards1879
@tomedwards1879 Ай бұрын
What might have been……
@doctorsteevo
@doctorsteevo 6 ай бұрын
This stabbing story is just awful, we could have had a great rivalry, it should have been the Federer Nadal of the 90’s, the Navratilova/ Evert of the 90’s such a shame… Two amazing players with a contrasting game which was a match made in heaven for some amazing matches…
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
Seles was away only for a little bit more than 2 years. So we missed maybe 6 or 7 matches between them.
@Marekxk
@Marekxk Ай бұрын
Well 3 months later she gets stabbed and her life changes forever.😢
@anhey2943
@anhey2943 6 ай бұрын
Neither of them had good serve, Steffi had no good return and her ground strokes were slow, couldn't even hit good overhead. Seles with aggressive return and bigger, two handed ground strokes was able to take control of the points and expose Graf's lack of power. They both would get destroyed by top modern players.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
Who had a better serve in the late 80s or early 90s than Steffi (except maybe Navratilova)? You think Steffi's forehand was slow? Who had a better overhead in the open era (except maybe Navratilova)? You think peak Steffi would have lost to Sharapova, Stosur, Li, Muguruza, Pennetta?
@njt7117
@njt7117 7 ай бұрын
Monica is the best female tennis player I have seen. She won 8 grand slams by the age of 18 and had the power and mental toughness nobody else could match. Had she not been stabbed she likely ends up with at least 20 grand slams if not more while Graf ends her career around 15 total grand slams. Its sad for Monica and all her fans that we missed out on so many other great grand slam events from 1993 on.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 3 ай бұрын
Seles won only 7 slams until age 18. She was mentally weak, wasn't able to play for more than 2 years because of a minor stab wound. It is asinine to think Steffi would have won 7 slams less since Steffi even won most of her matches against #1 Seles pre-stabbing. You are just one of those sad Selestial losers who can't accept that Steffi Graf simply was a better player.
@gregglegend
@gregglegend Ай бұрын
Seles had a reputation for grunting. Compared to todays crop, Sabalenka etc, Seles is quiet as a mouse.
@user-oh2pf5qn7n
@user-oh2pf5qn7n 4 ай бұрын
Need 70 😂
@user-dl3vt3dx5q
@user-dl3vt3dx5q 26 күн бұрын
Sales no ace no forehand only backhand player but better than steffi 1991.1992.1993
@mrjamiecrawford
@mrjamiecrawford 10 ай бұрын
Seles was fantastic but Steffi just had so much more overall skill. Her slices were just something else.
@michelez715
@michelez715 9 ай бұрын
Seles was stronger mentally than Graf, imo, and at their level of play, I think mental strength was the most important factor. Like Federer and Nadal. Nadal was much stronger mentally, which is why he could beat Fed so many times.
@mrjamiecrawford
@mrjamiecrawford 9 ай бұрын
@@michelez715 Yeah I absolutely agree that Seles was stronger mentally than Graff. I also think she was the first female to bring sheer aggression into the women's game. I still prefer to watch Steffi play because there was just more skill to her game.
@Ricky-mo6mv
@Ricky-mo6mv 29 күн бұрын
@@mrjamiecrawford Steffi’s skill was more of a mastery of a conventional style of play. Whereas with Monica, it was more like how did she just do that? How is that shot even possible? Over and over again..
@mrjamiecrawford
@mrjamiecrawford 29 күн бұрын
@@Ricky-mo6mv Yeah I agree. I would love to have seen what she would have done if the stabbing hadn't happened.
@Ricky-mo6mv
@Ricky-mo6mv 28 күн бұрын
​@@mrjamiecrawford The crazy thing is, just when we thought we were seeing the best of Monica in the early 90’s, her game just kept getting even more ruthless. I can remember thinking to myself back then that there was going to be nothing stopping her for many years to come. That was obvious. Monica and Steffi would have continued mixing it up a bit, but I feel Monica’s game was just starting to get too strong for Steffi to maintain the upper hand in their overall head to head in the years to come.
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 2 ай бұрын
One year later Steffi was in far better form. She struggled against Sanchez with 74 64 in 1993 but destroyed her with 60 62 in 1994. And in Tokyo (played one week after the AO) she lost to Navratilova with 64 36 36 in 1993 but destroyed her with 62 64 in 1994. It is no rocket science to conclude that Seles also would have been steamrollered had she played the AO 1994. Numbers don't lie.
@planettennis2822
@planettennis2822 Ай бұрын
Graf perdió con Sánchez en US Open. Qué pasó con la forma de Steffi? 😂
@carrerau7138
@carrerau7138 Ай бұрын
@@planettennis2822 Look it up on Wikipedia what happened with Steffi in the second part of 1994, you dimwit.
@Ricky-mo6mv
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This crystal ball you look into that depicts what would have happened if Monica wasn’t sidelined definitely came from the discount rack at the Dollar Store. 👍
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@@Ricky-mo6mv Selestial nutters are the most fanatical crystal ball lookers.
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Seles Forever ❤
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Steffi 😍😍😍 beautiful
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