From '92 to '97 I was into CNC machining of copper alloy spot weld-gun castings for tier 1 supplier. I also made the patterns/molds (for sand castings) on CNC Router. I learned to 3D model (CAD) the castings from blueprints and then create the (CAM) (code to program CNC) to cut the patterns (for foundry). When the parts came back from the foundry we then machined/ built them for assembly onto robotic arms. It was a great job as I was 19-24 and learned many skills. I started on a drill press and quickly learned to operate every manual milling machine in the shop. A 25 year veteran machinist I worked next to on bridge-port machine told me to get out of tooling then (1993). He said it was a dying trade in 1993. He said i should get into construction. He referenced his buddy making counter tops for hotels etc. I understood his point about the money being in construction but i was learning so much and CNC was interesting work. It led to CAD work and then IT/ network admin work. i went from $7.50/hr in 92 to $16.50/hr in 97. changed companies to $17.50 in 99 to $25.50 in 2003. All without a degree but just experience and skill on the job training and specific software classes and demanding to be paid what i was worth with the skills i had. In 2003 the Tier 1 tooling company I worked for went bankrupt even though they were GMs #1 tier 1 tooling supplier for the preceding 3 years ( 1999-2002). We paid people $5/hr nightshift premium just to get enough people for the workload ( design/build of production line tooling). We did GM tooling, chrysler and some other Tier 1 tooling as well. Everybody wanted to work there in 2001/2. They grew from 85 employees to over 300 in under 3 years. After advancing in the company, I was the IT/network admin tech guy who got the layoff list (of 8 to 10 people) every 2 weeks ( to lockout network passwords before they got"fired") until they closed the doors in 2003. i was one of the last 10 people to leave since i knew the computer system. My boss quit before me to give me 2 more weeks of work. Its sad that automotive executives come in and rob all a companies profits and then "bankrupt" the company. The company had been around since 1965 and in the 2 years before the doors closed they hired 5 top level executives "per GM requirements as tier 1 supplier" they said. They hired a President, director of human resources, CFO, Director of engineering etc. All with 6 figure salaries. None of whom were there before when the company was growing rapidly making more than 2 million profit annually. Some of them never worked in automotive before including the new president. Guess what? Where did the 2 million annual profits go? The new management took the profits as salary and bonuses and ended the business all the while telling us that things were fine and they were just reorganizing. My last week there was shutting down the network and loading all the LEASED engineering computers into a room for auction. They had everything on lease including the resurfacing of the 260,000 SF shop cement! They ran the company into huge debt got a bunch of work from GM and Chrysler and then closed the doors once the lines were built taking millions and yet choosing to "bankrupt". I got out of automotive after that and went into Residential remodeling for myself. I work much less and make more. Best thing i ever did was get out of the corporate corrupt clusterf#%&. buddy system kickbacks for contracts joke of a business model that is big 3 auto. The CNC and CAD CAM work was alot of fun. I could make any part by drawing it on the computer and programming the machine to cut it. SO cool.

Wow, what a great guest! So well informed. I learned so much about an industry I had never even considered before.

Always good to listen to someone who knows their stuff

This was amazing! Ms. Harbour has got the big big picture. I learned a lot. Thanks.

I worked as a machinist-toolmaker for 40 years in the Detroit area. I enjoyed the work, it to me was an art. However, for what was expected the pay and benefits were sorely lacking. Back in the 70's if a person wanted to make more and their employer wouldn't come up with the money you could find a new job that payed better within a day. Some time in the 90's the shop owners made a pact with each other to not hire another companies worker. There was a threat of being 'blackballed' if you 'took' someone's worker. This froze wages and made it possible to impose policies such as a worker having to pay a large portion of their healthcare premium for a policy that had huge deductibles and co-pays. I retired at the age of 62 and last year started mowing lawns, I make $45-60 per hour for riding a lawn mower (I own the business) I wish I had done this 30 years ago. I spent years encountering people that didn't understand fractions or decimals, they had no clue as to what a right triangle was. The real fun ones were from union shops that had closed, or journey men from the big 3 that had been laid off. Granted, CNC machining lowers the skill set that one needs to do this type of work, however a basic knowledge of math and an ability to use a measuring instrument or read a print is still needed. I would never recommend tool and die work to a young person, I would tell them to get a lawn mower.

This is one amazingly informative interview. Short, yet packed full of informed perspective. Bring Laurie back to the show more often please.

No wonder Tesla came up with the Cybertruck...very little cost to cut and bend metal.

I’ve been a tool and die maker for 10 years. And the price difference between China and US is astronomical. We build die cast tooling for the oems and for the price of the raw steel for the mold base, not even in a machine being cut, China can give you a complete finished one. So we are screwed off the get go. Some of the shops around ours has sold out and offered the oems a “stress free” solution of working directly with the China shops instead to build a better priced tool. The China tool shop handles all the tool build, and the crap tooling they get Goes to the local shop, they weld and rework it to actually bring it to tolerances and specs, Make sure it actually functions, then ship it off to the customer. I’ve heard stories of China mold bases cracking in half during cycles. There is no regulation of their processes over there. And The fact that these shops are selling out is helping China further. We are strengthening their tools to make them look better. They are using us. Most of the customers we work with tried the overseas method and didn’t work. They would rather get a good quality tool the first time. And get the after shipment tool servicing for comps and changes. Hopefully that continues. This is a massive uphill battle with little support from our government. It’s a shame it’s a great trade and career

Laurie is the best! She speaks the truth. I am glad there are people in the world that can properly explain the tool and die industry.

A country that loses manufacturing loses their future. We have seen this in North America in the past 30 years and if allowed to continue will lose skills, jobs, where there will be nothing. Fair trade or no trade.

Smart lady I was a Tool & Die maker for 45 years I witnessed first hand the loss of business to outsourced countries loss of skilled people because you had to get your hands dirty. The US had better wake up we used to protect our information from everyone foreign and domestic driven by competition but in last years we were on Skype with China advising them on how to better design and build our tooling, as we said in our shop the computer leveled playing field in toolmaking only needed a few skilled people and rest could be unskilled. We as a country will regret having to depend on other countries for our tooling.

I grew up with The Harbour’s....Jim Harbour her father was a renowned auto analyst- Harbour & Associates...she is brilliant!

I spent many yrs working for tier one tool suppliers, building prog dies, molds, trim dies, die cast molds and plastic injection molds and special machines.. The changes in the industry are many, but the structure of the machine shops is a real problem.. It was for many yrs, a journeyman and apprentice format. Now its one or two chiefs, and many inexperienced low payed revolving door people.. Temps... USA lost its structure within tool shops to build quality tooling and compete.

Great show, been waiting to learn of what happened to Tool & Die. I imagine different types of molds, stampings & dies have various life cycles, which also applies to cost/profit margins. In the 28 minute airing you showed the layers of this onion is just a part of the salad. Thanks John.

Insightful discussion from a very smart expert in tool and die industry.

I worked at a college that shut down its machine tooling program years ago. It will take time to reverse the effects of outsourcing to China and other countries.

Honest sharing of her deep knowledge, not a pretend consultant. 👍👍

Here in Brazil, China is destroing what had left from our tool and mold industry. A friend of mine told me that one of his clients compare the price from his Company against the price of a chinese tool industry, and the result was that chinese tool was só cheap that with the maney chineses were asking for the complete tool was not enough tô cover the cost tô make the tool here in Brazil in my friends Company. His company Lost the contract.

Standardized, process based vs. bespoke toolmaking is only about 50% of shipping a turnkey tool. All tools must be assembled and conditioned to run efficiently. Downtime due to maintenance is a paramount consideration for tier 1 suppliers and OEMs. In years past the shop people did a larger portion of the engineering and tryout. Now engineers are required to fully engineer the tools and processes. Our engineering schools are falling way behind - the new crop of engineers are nowhere near the caliber of engineers of the past, on average Tool & Die Makers and moldmakers were making $25-30/hr. or more 20 years ago, and their pay has not gone up.

I learned how to make things when I was quite young. I was a Machine Repairman in the Navy where I learned how to fix or build even more stuff. After 'Nam I returned to the world and built things for a couple of factories. Even then I realized there was no money, security or respect in that work. I went to college and worked for 40 years solving pollution problems. I made more money and have retired a few years ago with a decent pension and great health insurance. I would advise any beginning family to have one or both of the couple college educated and one working for preferably the Federal Government as a scientist or other professional and the other in a growing business. Trusting your entire income and health insurance on a modern business is foolish. The modern-day managers will simply steal your skills and time and dump you for their own benefit. Don't give them the chance.

Another point is that tool shop companies are normaly small business compared with their suppliers and their clients só they normaly have a Very small room tô negotiate prices with CNC machines suppliers, tungsten cutting tools suppliers, Steel suppliers, Just tô mention some, and clients like auto industry companies, It is very tuff place tô be.

A smart, informative, interview

For a country to lose its tool & die shops is a very dangerous thing, If we go to war and cant get our tooling built out side the USA and lose the talent that built this country WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE. I have been a toolmaker for 35 years and don't think you will ever take the art out of this trade totally. People don't know these people are the unsung hero of what makes every thing you touch in daily life work. God bless the USA

Black an decker, harley davidson both had their own tool and die departments, worked both, 100 year old automatic multi spindle screw machines. Wanted no part of tool and die, to sressful back then 1980. Computers do everything now. Trained in vo-tech learned machining by makeing steam engines, ran them on air hose. Good way to learn, had a great teacher

Good GOD, this woman is extremely valuable!

Okay, Laurie KNOWS her $hit! Great information! Thanks Laurie.

Excellent interview !.

Let's really boil this down: the tool or die is the " thing" that makes the part that OEMs use for their vehicles. If no one in USA is making the die that makes a hood for example or the mold that makes a radio knob , OEMs or OEM tier suppliers are being " forced" to buy outside the US. This is very dangerous in many ways to a US industry and the consequences flow down from there from the national economy to a local economy. Save this industry and train workers for it. Many of these jobs are 6 figure and require both skill and education.

9:30 F'ing hilarious... "it was not true, in that there was available capacity, but not at the price point that they wanted".

That lady really know her business. One thing they didn't talk about was 3D metal printing. It would be interesting to hear her opinion on how 3D metal printing will effect tool and die.

Laurie Harbour is one of the most impressive guests I have ever seen on this show! She is on par with Bob Lutz (hard one to beat!). I am not sure of her technical background, but I believe ME (Mechanical Engineering specializing in tool design), and /or IE (Industrial Engineering) and heavily involved w/SAE. She did not come across as a "marketing & sales" a.k.a. "LIZARD," which most engineers cannot stand. I do recognize that you have the LIZARDS to "pedal" your product, but why do they have to "spin" everything like a politician (BOTH PARTIES!!)?. As much as I love the new C8 Vette, I am holding off on a purchase until I feel sure that they have gotten all (most) of the bugs out of their newly designed DCT transmission - (GM has never introduced a DCT tranny before). I believe that Ford is facing a possible major recall of the Focus and Fiesta equipped with their DCTs.

I've spent 20 years jocking a keyboard after "educating" myself. I've been miserable for 19 of them. I am now learning machining/tool making, i've spent my entire savings on a small home shop in my back yard. At 40 years old, i would walk away from my career in IT for an apprenticeship with a toolmaker in a heartbeat. I know, many will tell me that's stupid. But the joy I get out of working with my machines and producing useful things is something that i never felt working with computers.

Excellent show. Thank you

Always been far too many models, body changes, parts changes, ect... make 5-7 really good models, keep parts the same, change the sheet metal if you must but keep it here in the states. Smart lady!!

This situation may change (just 2 weeks after this was filmed) due the supply disruptions due to the corona virus.

excellent show ..top work

I had a tool and die shop, as well as a fabricating shop in Alberta for 45 years. I road the "bucking bronc" of the energy sector 4 times. The last time, 2014, I saw no light at the end of the tunnel that time. I sold out to my biggest customer at the time, a forage compaction press manufacturing firm, and haven't looked back. I retooled that shop 3 times, and the return on investment for a fourth time wasn't there. The industry just can't keep up, in societies that value their employees, environment, and social welfare. A big mistake was made by corporate America, out sourcing our core industries for bottom line ROI to satisfy a small percentage of investors.

When you outsource all of the manufacturing jobs to foreign companies, you give to them the power to defeat you in product sales.

Does Tesla rely on external "tool die" mgrs or are they doing that in house?

Long term thinking is the new challenge we need to face.

I wonder where the US car industry would be today, if they actually exploited what they learned from the EV-1 instead of literally destroying anything associated with it. Tweaking? Umm, spacex seems to able to tweak ahead of established mfgrs like Boeing. I hear this stuff and all I can think of is an old Danny DeVito movie, "OPM"

Someone here mentioned Brazil as one of China’s victims on the Tool & Die trade. Well, if there were common traits between American and Brazilian Tool & Die Job Shop culture worth mention, they would be ... 1. They were part of larger underlying manufacturing based economies. The pride in “ making things here “ mindset is gone. Both driven by greed, and in Brazil’s case by sheer incompetence and stupidity. More to that latter . 2. In both countries, on specific geographic areas, there were skill training systems. In the US, Vocational School training, which replaced in part the High School diploma , mostly locally funded by local property tax dollars. In Brazil, by a manufacturer’s pooling contribution that funded a network of public vocational system known as SENAI. 3. Both countries choose the College for all Panacea. In Brazil’s case , through Diploma Mills , in the US enabled by predatory student loans. All at expense of skills based training through their respective aforementioned Trades Training. 4. While is pernicious to mention the fact unions drove investments out of manufacturing, it had a a decisive influence on the outcome. China’s labor force is not represented by unions at all. On the flip side , Germany skilled factory floor labor is highly unionized, and yet labor thrives , thanks to what we call a “social contract” between labor and management. Everyone pulls towards the same goal, concessions and compromise are the norm. 5. Both benefited by an infusion of post war labor force originated from Europe. European migrants toiled in factories, created enterprises , and were at the center of these industries. As for the Brazilian downfall In its hard goods manufacturing , even with lower labor rates against US counterparts , if they were not so keen in copy and emulate flawed American Business practices ( monkey see, monkey do ) , they would.not be in the same picture.

Ms Harbour is really astute on the tool & die trade. Amazing!

For a small entrepreneur, using China is the best way to go. They are eager for your business, and have a can do attitude. Plus, they don't ask what it's for or what your product is. When you call most American suppliers etc, they don't want to mess with you unless you are already a big company. They have a can't do attitude, and try to get all up in your business. They are intimidating to talk to, and when they find out you are small or just starting out, they seem aloof, or just ignore your call, or brush you off. With China, it just takes a few messages over Alibaba to find a good, low cost supplier; no fuss, no muss. You can email them even on the weekends and they will get back to you on the weekend.

Gee, it seems like there is nobody watching out for America. Too many citizens dealing with China. Too many citizens looking out for themselves. Being American means considering what you do and how it impacts this country. We want to live in a thriving USA. The country our parents fought for and saved. I'm sure they would want us to preserve the American dream that we had after WW2. We should try to do the right thing and bring it back.Help set an example to our kids, so hopefully they can also improve the situation for our latter generations.

I was a die setter for about 39 years and the last 15 years we made parts for stuff outside America I made a part that went to timing changes for everyone Honda Lexus BMW ford Chevy and so on

This is why Tesla is 5 years ahead of anyone. They purchased Riviera Tool in Michigan in 2015.

Laurie knows her stuff!!

This is what you get for depending on Asia for your manufacturing

The U.S.A. is ultimately resilient and can bounce back if necessary. I seriously doubt there is any need to rely on hybrid motivation as there is and always will be ample petroleum on this planet until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Really to think that the automotive tooling industry is the U.S.A. is I believe a little deceptive as there exists numerous other tooling consuming industries within the U.S. that continue strong, so this video is a little more or less short sighted. One needs to get the whole report on the matter.

I picked a bad time to graduate machinist school and get nims

I have spoken to numerous tool companies in the US about mold and tooling cost. It is far over priced compared to offshore cost. A simple plastic part produced in the US is about 20 times more expensive than getting it from China, shipped to the US and processed through US customs. Customers simply will not pay those prices for a basic item made in the US.

I have a question for Laurie. Does this mean the end of manufacturing in the US as we know it? Or is their going to be less? I want to become a Tool & Die maker or CNC Apprentice, and Now I'm not so sure. Is the rebirth of manufacturing in the US real?

Should the answer not be consolidation of Tool shops even if their product line is different, there must be underlying similarities and their leverage and reseach budget would benefit??. The other issue is US car makers have traditionally not been users of advanced product parts so for example BMW built the i3 EV and learnt alot about carbon fibre manufacture, Audi started making lots of car parts from Aluminium way back and learnt alot about building aluminium parts (and so did their parts makers who had to come along with them). Ford only learnt how to make mass manufacture Alu parts for the F150 from what they learnt about making parts done by Jaguar (before they sold it!). Germany makes alot of money from exporting advanced tool making equipment to "Asia" but it keeps that knowledge at home and the Chinese have yet to make comparable kit even with lower labour costs and lots of industrial espionage. In theory the US should be a leader in advanced materials manufacturing but most this is "wasted" on Defence parts with limited roll-over to the non-defence market. Boeing did learn alot about how to design, tool and build advanced parts from the 787 dreamliner (and their suppliers must have upskilled to maintain contracts) but again Boeing had to compete with Airbus who did it first (on a smaller scale) even thought lots of more advanced knowledge is well known by the US defence aerospace. In theory these skilled defence workers should be able to share this skill in other industries but defence is both secretive, well paid and competition is fierce as there is but one customer (US Defence). Even worse - 3D printing (at least GE is a big player here) will do away with alot of tool makers (everywhere) but the same skill in 3D printing an advanced part for a laptop hinge is the same for bigger parts.. Even the Germans have to be worried unless they are making the printers.... US car makers are stuck making "cheap" light trucks and have mostly withdrawn from worldwide sales (GM from Europe/Ford considering the same) and so the key there is cheaper labour, customer knowledge but not advanced part manufacture. Ironically the leaders in this are probably the aerospace industry (ie NASA suppliers) but those parts are even more specialised than Defence. Meantime NASA has its budget curtailed (and supplies much of the labour talent to SpaceX and Blue Origin) while the Chinese to catch up in space and the Europeans keep moving ahead with slow but noticeable progress (to avoid getting left behind or relying on the Russians).

Very informative indeed, great learning experience on this. Keep the Chi-coms out! Send them packing.

Being qualified as a maintenance fitter come fitter and machinist. What we plug in is what we get out. God bless the industrial revolution. Don't forget the maintenance and replacement tooling. Press tools and diecasting can be high maintenance tooling. I must admit less US automobiles but the ones they make having better quality would not be a bad thing. Lollll the US should offer better quality vehicle's which they are doing thankfully. And export a lot more vehicles. Thank you for delving into my old job and industry.

A LOT of this discussion helps explain why Tesla is currently killing it! They had to do a lot of this themselves (For many reasons), they also had better control over the product by doing so, and the products needed to do such things, like "tooling", were huge expenses that they paid for, and now can get more of the benefits from do so. (Much more detail required to fully explain. But in a nutshell I think that explains it.) Just got to this timeline in the video 13:00... This even more supports why Tesla is doing so well. Musk has even stated this almost word for word before.

Gerry didn't get to say a word. Would have liked to hear from him.

Yeah, but if she marries Mr. Freight, the tool and die industry is screwed.

Great show. Laurie is awesome. I had a MBA student in the 90s whose family owned a tool & die company, He said that Chinese firms' bids were less than his material costs. The Communist Party was smart to target tool & die. My guess is that they made two each: one for their customer and one for a Chinese counterfeiter.

The Car makers better start doing Tools and Dies in-house or buying their TnD houses.

it sure will be different in the future..it may be bright but on the other hand could well be tragic to a lot of people that will be left out.. just a thought

for the same reason an investor does not put all his money in one stock, manufacturers are crazy to risk EVERYTHING on one country source for supply chain

Back in the day $25 was good money Today it is equal to $235 you can't expect to pay 1960's wages and keep good help We are intelligent and despite loving creating products we will NOT work for slave wages We saw the writing on the wall that's why we sent our kids to college Eventually this will collapse SO SAD

Scarey times we are in.

"The end of the family farm." yet again.

So I guess we better stock up on misc parts for our favorite rides before these parts become NLA .......🤔those 2nd and 3rd gen shops should diversify into other kinds of markets in order to stay viable not just military ....

AHEAD? AHEAD? Where the hell have you guys been for the last thirty five years? I was experiencing challenge fatigue in the mid nineties and left aerospace and return to commercial tooling. In two thousand five I came to realize that it had all gone to China, so I went to work doing tooling work for Boeing's second largest supplier and retiring ten years later.

This may only be slightly off subject, but who in the world is asking for self driving cars?? I would really like to hear from them because no one I know cares for or wants a self driving car. I’ve been in the automotive business for almost 40 years. Mostly repair. I think they should concentrate on making vehicles more reliable with less recalls and major production flaws. With all the sophistication coming in to the modern vehicle so does poor long-term reliability. Downsized four-cylinder direct injected turbos have become built-in killer of long-term reliability.

I always laugh when I hear "we don't have enough skilled workers" In most cases that boils down to why should I (the skilled worker) do all the work while you collect the big check while producing nothing(and couldn't if your life depended on it) You get what you pay for Shes seems to think 25 an hr is good money LOL 50-100 is more like it

The US govt. Needs to put tariffs on china and put penalties on US Companies that do business in china......If that does not happen the good ol USA will callapse

Tesla...there is no competition!!!

20:20 keep tooling 75% domestic

What about 3D printing?

I keep hearing doom gloom. Shops are struggling

The best part is no part. The best process is no process. -Elon Musk Making our lives better for the better part of the decade.

Tooling and process is patented and you just can not pop up a tool and die shop and knock off another companies process or patent. Some companies build dies and you can not modify or maintain them you have to return them to the builder . Also you can not 3d print a part and beat a punch press stamping them out at hi speed .

The 1900s are considered the 20th century. The 1800s are 19th century.

I have worked for Tier 1 /Tier 2 suppliers to the OEM's for 42years. She is so wrong on so many ideas, it is insane. She talks of the "Life Cycle of Tools" as if it begins and ends with the creation of a stamping die/ plastics mold. Insane. This is a real problem facing the industries. Narrow focus, such as this compounds the trouble. CAD CAM and CNC helps in design and initial build, but that is a once and done process. Tools are heavily massaged their first year in production, and repairs are a continual part of their life span. SUPER SKILLED tool makers are a necessary evil that must be maintained. CNC operators are of no value after mold/die construction. She is so wrong.

It’s the Female Sandy 💪🏻

If you want to talk parts andtools not related to cars all power tools of most kinds now that people buy like myself are made in China whether they are Bosch DeWalt. the reality is that America is lost when it comes to manufacturing the three big manufacturers will soon be struggling to make electric cars and compete with corporations like Tesla. I listened to your program and I must say that people are way behind in the times and they are working with what they think is some American reality that is long past in manufacturing.

Then if you never changednody styles much like a model t Ford or VW beeyle you could amoryise your tooling costs over millions of vehicles but couldnt show you wrre keeping up with the Joneses.

But you can't make argument against outsourcing when you're wearing $200 Apple Watch.

Tesla makes their own tools. They bought a tool and die maker in Michigan years ago I believe.

Let me see a model S hasn't changed since 2012... they just updated the computer over the internet. So since the model doesn't change the tools don't change.

That's what I said. We can't even make underpants for the masses inside this country, how could they ever build anything else...

Many companies want quotes for parts they have been making in China, and they are shocked at the cost to make the same parts in the USA. The US has well paid Machinists unlike China and their slave labor. Job shops are almost impossible to be profitable in the US unless you have old archaic paid off equipment and a shithole facility. The younger generations have little interest in skilled trades. The mass exodus of our jobs to China for so many years has messed up the US Labor. No one tells their children they should grow up to be Machinists or Plumbers etc, like they used to. 25 to 30 dollars an hour gets you a machine operator not an actual Machinist.

Listen at 2x so you don't fall asleep!

My shop could not compete with China in 1997 and we have a full generation of youth who did not go into the trades because there was no future. They are no creating new Tool Makers where much of you innovation comes in. There is no real long term thinking here. Who is creating the future Tool Makers? They are not the CNC guys, they make parts not create tooling.

Tooling evolution in the U.S.A. is a revolving door. Tooling will come back due to the coronavirus. Because companies can't have a secure supply of stock, dies, man power.

Losing a vast knowledge bank as workers retire, get sacked, shuffle off this mortal coil.

Microsoft has also sent all of their tooling to China. We need Trump to really step up the tariffs. Keep the work here

So the unionization is not the problem per se. But the unionization of big government is. The tooling industry cannot pay enough to manufacturing workers paying excessive taxes to support government workers making on average 20% greater pay when retirement and pensions are included. It is a self fulfilling economic destiny when government size outpaces industry production of all types of finished products. We as a nation need more than beer makers or bakery goods. The truth is hard to swallow but the Chinese did not strategize for industry domination, meaning they win, but that they will control economic leverage and can change as technology directs. Stupid government unions destroy their own reason for existence. People want their freedom but don't know that a basic socialist state cannot allow private industry to exist. Trump has taken counsel on this from those that can help fight the wealth transfer to Asia. We are a Republic first which gives us a democracy.

Lets not forget ISO 2000 3000 that companies were required to complete, were step by step instruction manuals for third world companies.

I only got through a few minutes of this this is typical car industry face face lift talk.

Its a lie. Actually American companies invest in training and education programs in china because of their cheap labor and not government. Great example is Bain capital is one of outsourcing leader in manufacturing during 2000s invested heavy in Chinese educational program and scholarships to US Universities. Here's the solution, just vote for candidates against outsourcing.

Whoa

Electric vehicles will totally disrupt traditional auto manufacturing! Very few parts and rapid, simple assembly. Look at a Tesla drive train. It could take no longer to replace the entire unit as opposed to changing the tires. You don't need many people to build these things.

Im so glad that the US corporations are taking care of there share holders and China ! Dont worry China will take care of you in the future.

gonna rethink these global stuff after these viruses get done