They should have used a Modified 40mm Bofers in my opinion with its Extremely high muzzle velocity owing to it being originally and still is an AA gun though only in Navy’s and not all any more but that’s just my Opinion

Love what you do! In the same vein, a vid Astra Militarum Sentinel maybe?

I would love to see a breakdown of the silverhawk genesis from Gdarius, that's a beautiful ship!

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AMPs are definitely one of the most badass mech suits in SciFi for this very reason. Everything is well thought out and given incredible care to fit its exact role in the film. It probably didn't need this level of detail, but clearly its creators had just as much love the human machinery as they did for the alien flora and fauna. It both clashes and comes together perfectly.

It'd be more practical if they'd armor the freaking cockpits.

@@BlazingOwnager I believe the cockpit is bulletproof. But seeing as how they’re getting shot at with 3 foot arrows going at very high speeds I think it doesn’t matter

I suggest looking up VOTOMS

@@UnnamedSeeker aka 'if Michel Bay directed a hard scifi mecha anime'. Seriously, the show makes _Michel Bay_ blush in the explosions department.

i would recommend the youtube original "obsolete". the setup is wacky,but the actual mech use is not bad (only a few exagerations in earlier episodes)

@@Chrisspru Yeah, the mech in that show is really realistic (Minus the whole alien shabang).

@@TheTrueAdept People like to rag on Avatar because it clashes with their mindset. I had online gaming friends who served in Iraq who were upset by the way it seemed to portray soldiers and PMC badly, sort of. Yeah it was a bad optic for the time, barely a 2D stereotype, but my mates understood that they were exaggerated corpo mercs in a damn popcorn flick!

Probably because the Navi aren't really at a disadvantage when you think of it. They have the Entire planet, a Superorganism and Collective Consciousness on there side.

@@arnowisp6244 humans could just nuke the planet. But humans are there to conquer, not destroy.

@@arnowisp6244 This is kinda true in all honesty. Gotta think about it though, as they said in the new movie, Earth is dying, they kinda NEED to either colonize Pandora or keep bringing back the unobtainium. So, while I love the Na'Vi, I cannot discount the legitimate need for humans to be on Pandora.

@@HildegardActual Humanity is still holding back too, they could easily defoliate the entire planet if they wanted to or engineer bioweapons or just use a ton of chemical weapons and such to wipe out all possible resistance on the planet if they wanted to, just goes to show humans are kinda the good guys here. Considering we could genocide them all without blinking an eye, what humanity has done instead so far even the harsher stuff is fucking merciful.

@@HildegardActual the avatar universe is poorly written detritus, and its depiction of the navi is so inconsistent (they're peaceful "noble savage" cliche in total harmony with nature, yet they have warriors, plus in the most recent movie the navi have shown prejudice towards phenotypic differences similar to humans and even planned murder of another navi). Don't tell me those kids didn't expect Jake's son to survive that encounter with the shark creature in avatar 2

full acc! Besides... the Tone had a 40mm cannon! ;)

@@Krusesensei Right, meant to say 40mm.

As another Tone main, I salute a fellow pilot ^^

It's amazing how much technical thinking went into a film that still used unobtanium unironically.

@@derekburge5294 Right?! I feel like this movie is so underappreciated when it comes to that. They designed a near-future US military perfectly, with a great aesthetic to boot. Admittedly, I can't really think of a better name for "Unobtainium," I just want to know what the hell it does. Is it a power source? Building material? Some kind of "Element Zero" equivalent?

Or worse, a whole _Horde_ of them... Followed by the rumble of medevac transports carrying non-suited wounded. D:

@@UGNAvalon Fucking hell, why you doing this to me and my imagination :D.

The walk back feature would be disastrous for any army. The location of the base or forward operating base would be in jeopardy. Plus, if I were to attack I would use them as walking bombs returning home.

@@bl8danjil if the front was open enough for you to just follow them home then you either knew where it was already due to recon or your breakthrough is significant enough that the base would be packing up and getting the fuck out of there. militaries seldom specifically hide their bases, modern tech is just too effective to bother.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Except we do hide our FOBs and any temporary base or rally point too.

IF those guns were uniquely produced for them then yes, it would have been strange. But those are the same autocannons used on gunships and base turrets. That's basically what Avatar had - utility and transport vehicles armed with universal locally produced guns. This is de facto second generation of Cameron's loader bot with majority of design being the same. If you want to see how ridiculous they look with integrated weapon systems, go play AvP ie Aliens VS Predator \/(-_-)\/ You get two unusable hands and gun that is set too low to be usable. Because it's a humanoid body.

They make perfect sense. Different missions often require different weapons. If a mounted weapon is damaged it would take time and tools to replace. Not to mention there's a human in control of it so it would be more natural for the operator. Though, it would make sense if there WERE other hardwired weapons like missile pods or grenade launchers.

@@Blah81150 Yeah, Its Fantastic but some defensive capability at least would be nice. They say it was originally used by law enforcement, so smoke launchers would be a must have imo. They are fairly compact, used on a lot of real world vehicles today, could have been tear gas for law enforcement, plus since all friendlies are in respirators they could have made a more lethal gas for pandora, doubling as a smokescreen which basic thermal imaging could see through, giving great cover.

There's a fair few design flaws in it, but OTOH, that kinda lends more to the realism, doesn't it....

@@Blah81150 Imagine AMP version on Earth whitout the strong magnetic fields that hinder the usage of railguns and stuff. Yes, the weaponary on Pandora had to be more "traditional" to work properly. Machine Guns and dumb missiles for the masses.

That's because (and I hate to admit this as a worldbuilding nut) if the story the lore is attached to is shit, then no one will care. Like... It's Ferngully, but for adults. Garbage movie.

The Movie is usually completely forgotten about in a cultural sense between sequels. Maybe once there is more of them that may change, but no one buys the merch it seems the 2nd Movie's stuff was on clearance before the movie was even released and that is kinda sad. It just doesn't seem to interest people which maybe is a shame or maybe it's just not a likeable movie overall. Perhaps people don't want to be lecture or maybe it's just over long and poorly acted and poorly written overall. I personally neither like it or hate it I do always though just forget it exists completely when not actively reminded it exists. If someone says Avatar to me I don't think blue cat people, I think small bald airbending kid.

To be fair, the Airbender is more iconic.@@90lancaster

We'll probably see new variants in Avatar 2 at the end of this year.

That'll be extremely useful against Hammerhead Rhinos since it is a fully armored canopy with similar interface to Iron Man's suit that the Hammerheads simply can't stomp through them.

i wouldnt be surprised there would be amored variants of the suit and would have a built in screen system similar to titanfall mechs while either having caged armor on the front or shoulder mounted weapons

@@chaxologist2961 also, against hammerheads could bring some anti-tank weapons. RPG or anti-tank rifle would penetrate their bone shield and deal a lot of body damage, likely an instakill

@@user-25352 Those standard 30mm guns the Amp suits carry are technically autocannons which are anti-material rifles but yeah, they need a much larger caliber against those Hammerheads or a different ammunition type to instantly stop them (preferably armor-piercing discarding sabot rounds instead of the standard high explosive rounds) as well as mounted missile launchers like what the Iron Monger armor from the first Iron Man film is equipped with. That way, the Hammerheads would be easily penetrated from the front through their thick, carbon-fiber hard craniums and would instantly go right through their brains to stop them.

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I think the bayonetta would probably be used to clear dense jungle brush out of the way

I mean would you rather have a knife that can protect you well and is a little bit crappy or at clearing brush or one that’s really good at clearing brush but absolute ass actually killing the giant monsters you’re going to have to fight

When you run out of Ammo don't use the Gun as a Club use the "knife attached to it"

@@charlottewalnut3118 I wouldnt call an oversized machete ass Its gonna chop those fuckers right in half. Just give it an actual knife tip and we are golden.

And in the 10+ years time frame, they did not even bother to make arrow-proof glass lol

Atleast we got some crabby boys here

@@LongTran-em6hc watch the first movie when the RDA attacks home tree. The glass is arrow proof. The force from the Ikran's dive is what breaches the glass. Like with bullets you can never be totally resistant.

@@proteous8100 I want to see Spacedock do a vid on those.

@@proteous8100 Ngl that suit was slow and not flexible, you can see them so stiff when chasing the kids underwater.

My only gripe is the fact that they expected me to root for some fucking aliens, and that jake wasn’t summarily executed in public.

mechs with legs are not good design for combat ... knees are big weakness..and mass weight is to high...cameron is moron in military topics...no drones ? really ? no satelite camera spying 24/7 ? in 2150 ?

@@xmatobujnakx Who cares if it's practical it was awesome. As far as drones maybe he didn't want to cross pollinate with Terminator. It's probably that he was really going for the feel of Vietnam era Marines. Well equiped and we'll trained for a completely different enemy. Also the director's cut does have the Marines using drone guns to hold a choke point.

@@3Rayfire thats point ...well designed is not ...just awesome looking ...can you what word design mean ? its not just look but function too ...maybe but it makes no fucking sense they dont use drones on planet for everything ...more drones more firepower less humans needed

its more about both being designed with a suspension of disbelief realism and milutary design cues

almost same design was in Matrix II. And many many other artworks before.

The titans were meant to be person-sized, more like power suits, then someone brought a smaller figure to the side and they decided to turn it into a robot. as for the design inspiration, from what i saw they did some kitbash using gunpla and others plamo, also a youtuber once made a kitbash BT 7274 from Gundam model kits, other designs from series like macross and other designers inspired a lot of mechs in videogames

Yeah. The control style seems to be similar too.

they did withstand Navi arrows. IIRC the Navi had to take a long dive before releasing the arrow for it to be able to penetrate the glass with the added momentum.

@@RicardoFuertes1990 That’s only on the helicopters these things are completely vulnerable to Navi arrows

I’m secondarily it’s a little bit difficult to up armor one of these without losing visibility which could very easily get you killed

@@charlottewalnut3118 Tell me at what point did you ever see a Navi arrow pierce one of these at all?

@@jaydenshepard7928 they had to be nerfed for the blue people to win. Especially in avatar 2 where it's an us or them situation, there is no reason other than plot armor that the humans don't just decimate the blue people with kinetic bombing from orbit or have some actually heavy armor on the ground. Like where is a freaking tank? Cameron made sure to have them steal rpgs and bombs from the train so I figure they will show up in 3 and the blue people will now have rpgs to beat them, but wait there is more, where the fuck was that train full of ammo going???? Plot just demands that blue people with bow and arrows plus animals can best bombs and metal. Cameron needs to write a better script to make more sense.

Ya good movie to watch one time but the amount of direct story theft they did made it forgettable

I'm looking at the CGI here and realising "Wow yeah we've come a long way haven't we", no doubt just like people watching this would look back at movies a decade before such as Matrix Reloaded and say something similar. It's something of a visual shorthand - the CGI in this movie is obsolete. We are more easily able to see through the illusions because better illusions have come and gone in the decade since. And even setting visuals aside, as time has passed the sheer hype and success of this movie seems like a freak outlier. Maybe Avatar 2½: The Smell of Fear will prove us wrong, but it doesn't feel like it....

😂 No incel, most people that saw Avatar really like it. It's always fun to see right leaning snowflakes arguing against reality.

@@cegesh1459 ...I would like to know where you got literally ANY of that information about my personal beliefs because literally none of it is true. I just didn't like the movie that much

@@cegesh1459 ppl like u are the reason words like "incel" and "fascist" have lost all meaning

Well... anything else would have been Tacti-cool.

Meanwhile the Tieren in Gundam 00: A gigantic katar. Yes, that's its melee weapon. Designed not to cut but to crush. Used in similar fashion to a brass knuckle.

We don't get many details from Heinlein about the suits beyond functionality. Haptic interface, jump-jets, coms and sensors, self-contained environmental support, and adaptable weapon systems. Spacedock would need to use one of the adaptations in order to do anything substantial If you want a more detailed take on the concept, I can recommend the Drop Trooper series by Rick Partlow. It also has a preceding series Holy War that is helpful, but not necessary for contextualizing the main conflict of the Drop Trooper series.

I believe the animated films had power-armor suits? So those could work as a visual aid. Additionally, the larger (Marauder?) style suits could be included as well.

@@UGNAvalon There was an anime adaption in the late 80's I think that is pretty close to the book

As someone without Biology background, Need context about this

@@darumapura1431 1. The square cube law just means that the volume of an object grows faster than its surface area, and is the main factor limiting organisms in size. Cells aren't very big because they wouldn't be able to transport substances from their surface deeper towards the center, same with land arthropods and oxygen, vertebrates don't get bigger than mammoths/dinosaurs because their bones wouldn't be able to support their weight. The same is true for vehicles, the Maus tank was impractical because it was too big, and tanks are a lot more sturdy than a mech with articulated limbs would be. 2. Digitigrade legs act like springs, they are very good for running fast but not so good at supporting a lot of weight. If you put a lot of weight on a spring, it just crumples. Plantigrade legs in a standing position lock the joints and bones parallel to each other and perpendicular to the surface, in result they can take on a lot of weight, so bipeds like humans that only have 2 limbs to distribute the weight, and very heavy animals like elephants are plantigrade. There are exceptions like some dinosaurs, the T. rex was a digitigrade bipedal predator, but if you look at its body you'll notice that half of it is just the muscles and bones for the legs, they support the tremendous weight of the body. Weight would be a much bigger factor for mechs since they'd be made of metals, armored, carrying weaponry, way more dense than animals. Digitgrade mechs just make no sense, unless you want some very light, fast, unarmored scouting vehicle, but even then I don't think we have the material science to keep the joints intact against the forces they'd be subject to. And yet in fiction there's ton of slow moving digitigrade mechs carrying missile pods and other BFGs. Just, why? What's the point? Just make it plantigrade, it's simpler, sturdier, more analogous to human joints, etc.

Great comment, i will add some things about it : There is already a mech called the Method 2/3 (can't remember the exact number but it was either of them) developted in South Korea that is practically the AMP suit , however their biggest problem was powering it rather than legs or the balance, also i agree with you that is the most plausible mech design. As per the last thing i think is due to the fact that digitigrade looks better and digitigrade legs of animals are faster and tend to be more efficient than human legs (plantigrade) , however many people forget that plantigrade do have advantages over digitigrade As with the elephant part i did some googling and turns out the elephant leg type is an hybrid ! , is plantigrade but also somethat digitigrade , this can be infered when looking at the bones , perhaps we should take more of a look of how elephants legs are when we want to make mechs , elephant legs have the speed bonus of digitigrade but can support their weight very well like a plantigrade due to the soft but strong structures that it has in the sole of the foot , they also absorb the impact of the walking and make them less noisy (elephants aren't the master of the silence but is interesing to see the additional thing)

@@Horny_Fruit_Flies as per your second comment there is an paper which is interesing to look at regarding the subject, and that is the Birdbot robot, it is a robot which is very efficient at walking and running , is modeled after an ostrich and other running birds , is mostly uses springs and cables to hold the weight of the robot , the thing is that the scaled up versión of the leg is 1.75 meters tall , weights 75kg and also can carry a load of 2243 kg , while not saying we should do something like the AMP suit but with Bird legs , i think we could use cables and springs to help the mech to hold their weight effectively

@@ulforcemegamon3094 I remember the Method "mech", tbh I was not impressed with it, an oversized box on shaky legs is something that the Mythbusters could build in a month with $2000. Bipedal robots is still something that we aren't close to cracking, Boston Dynamics are basically the best in the business and even their Atlas is a bit ungainly, which is why they focus so much on their quadrupedal robots so much. More stable. The ostrich legs are pretty interesting. I think I found the paper; "BirdBot achieves energy-efficient gait with minimal control using avian-inspired leg clutching" but can't see the part about the weights it could potentially carry. The one in the video demonstration on KZfaq is tiny. I like the idea of a springed cable acting as a single muscle for the entire limb, not something that is found in animals. Anyway, I'm not saying it's impossible for digitgrade mechs to exist, my point is simply that they are more complex (at least 1-2 additional joints) and can carry less weight (spring effect, smaller feet surface area) than their plantigrade analogues simply by their geometrical properties. If we had materials strong enough, we could build digitigrade mechs that are both sturdy and very fast, but for the time being we don't have the materials nor technology for either digi- or plantigrade large robots. As we develop stronger materials I'm very sure that plantigrade designs will be the first to become viable.

Sentinels are cool but not quite enough.

Am I going to have to be the straightman here? *HERESY!!!*

@@Deridus it isn't heresy if it's solely manufactured and operated by humans, unmodified humans at that. Imperial Guard are the backbone of humanity, they need all the help they can get. having a planet (or entire solar system) that is run by said Imperial Guard army, who specialize in making and using mechanized suits, with zero Adeptus Mechanicus oversight or presence, (my custom Imperial Guard army hates the AdMech) is an interesting twist.

@@palpadur1112 Non-STC is, well... heresy. So just say it's a super-dooper obscure one and though it MIGHT be heresy, if the Mechanicum don't know, they won't care. My old Imps were a Munitorum Defence Force that was cobled togeather from Cadian, Catachan, Talarn, and Preatorian units that were so brutalised tha they were no longer effective fighting strength. Rather than myster them out as replacements, they were given a new duty: protect ammo crates and armor in need of maintenance.

@@palpadur1112 Knight houses: 😐

Something akin to 40k Fireteam, having bands of either mech, foot infantry or navii

The problem being: you should fight for the Navi not the Humans… unfortunately

@@unimportant719 I would like to do that

@@rommdan2716 i would love playing the humans

@@unimportant719 Well you can, lots of humans fought for the Na'Vi

The UC Gundam mobile suits embody "realistic but also cool" just like these mechs do. For instance, like how the Zaku-I was basically outdated when it entered service.

@@Sangth123 Exactly! The beauty of realism in the Gundam series' (most of them anyways) despite it being about gigant space robot samurai suits is thrilling and wonderfull!

Its worth noting that more advanced weapon systems did exist in the Avatar universe, but were not used on Pandora, either because the heavy EM fields screwed with their complex electronics, or simply because RDA deemed them too expensive. This was a for-profit corporate operation after all, and high end weapon systems would have eaten into their profit margins.

I'm guessing you got really into modding mechs in the Mechwarrior franchise games

Add the chainsaw arm off of the PTX-140 in Lost Planet as well as its hover and dash abilities and we’re golden. NaVi would have some serious trouble on their hands.

Yeah, I’d be better to use a “false canopy” like the Titans in Titanfall do.

Whilst I have known a fair few idiots over the years, and have seen more than one idiot fail upwards, the shere incompetence of the human just hurt me. Maybe I'm too "by the book," but the command as a whole was just so poorly run that it made thier defeat unbelievable. Surely, no military would be as stupid as those goons? (Looks at certain French Foreign Legion losses) Oh... nevermind

@@Deridus But seriously, they knowingly went into an AO where they had a severe disadvantage and where they knew the enemy was already hiding. They should have attacked other sites first to draw the aliens out to defend them and then proceed to the main target. Ooooor, strange idea: They could have just used their avatars for their actual purpose and, you know, communicate with the aliens to work out a peace treaty or something like that. Tell them why they need the unobtainium and give the aliens some of their tech in return for safe access to the material.

@@rhodes3983 Perish the thought, using trade to get what you need...

With how advanced humanity is in comparison to how Navi are just tribals they would’ve went extinct in a week

Yeah they need 30mm high explosive autocannon rounds for gardening. - hoojiwana from Spacedock

naa just force lefties to be righties, simplifies production

Heresy

Bro the Imperator was never meant to be realistic, it was basically designed to be a walking church.

to be fair the imperium has smaller mechs too. see the imperial knights which are a lot closer to this one. An imperator class titan would have propably won the fight if used correctly (aka protect the entrances and let it blast)

@@ztheo2280 an imperial knight is way larger then the amp suit. a closer comparison is a sentinel or killakan.

@@Mike5Brown I think you mean, " *HERESY!!!* [=]|[==] "

Pretty sure it's customisable, would be rather stupid if only right-handed soldiers were suitable pilots

@@tristanlee8662 or you could just force train lefties to be righties like they did in medieval times (because a leftie in a shield wall would fuck up the formation unless they were trained to be righties)

it looks wasteful to me, just give me treaded tanks of various sizes and the occational chickenwalker for rocky terrain.

They could enclose the cockpit with a metal faceplate and put a camera eye somewhere on it kinda like the PTX-140 from the game Lost Planet

@@epicty3607 or maybe something like the crystal system from Cyberpunk 2077, the luxury cars with see through armored screens instead of windows

Metal alloy and polymer are getting tougher as well as lighter. It's possible in Avatar's setting, R&D in chemicals has been advanced and polymers would've been tougher than it was a century ago.

Never expected to find someone mention Battletech here, I tip my hat to you in greeting, fellow MechJock!

@@tristanlee8662 There are more and more MechFans in the last two or three years, since the GW Exodus

Yeah , Titanfall mechas would be great ones to make an analisys

I second this... MORE mechs MORE exo suits!!! MORE!!

they would probably not be in use for active combat, they could act like a ground attack heli for infantry, but thats literally an IFV, and they could be used for manual labor, but then just use an exoskeleton

Eh, I think it would more likely to be used for industrial before any combative roles. A mech like that would just be target practice for on-foot snipers, mortar crews, and even combat engineers.

Crowd control during riots just like these were also partially made for

​@@cyberzombie038I mean, the AMP can just take cover from a sniper or mortar fire, hell, the AMP suit can just back away from combat engineers to stop them placing explosives on it, they could hide explosives by placing it in hidden areas that the AMP suit could walk beside or over it

Do you like Patlabor? You have a good hobby. I think I can talk to you for a long time.

A gun can jam, a knife only needs occasional sharpening ^^

Yes you are right. But to build a robot which can walk and move on two legs as good and smoothly and fluid like a human beeing is a very very great challenge for any mechanical design.

Nah, they needed to mine the planet for resources. Given the dense foliage, napalm would have worked better to clear out the indigenous lifeforms. Golden Rule of Resource Gathering: Don't break what you plan to use, and nukes wreck everything.

@@sergeantassassin3425 in this case, nukes aren't ruining everything. If anything, it would be a _feature_ not a bug given the hostility of the wildlife. That and nukes are heavily dependent on detonation height. An airburst is optimal for low-fallout and limiting actual damage but useless against hardened targets. A _near_ ground burst (like _Shot Grable_ during Upshot Knothole) is absolutely devastating while limiting fallout. Ground bursts are the nastiest, as they maximize target damage and great against hardened targets.

@@sergeantassassin3425 There's also the issue of these guys being under a company/mercenaries. They might not have the ability (Or more likely the authority.) to use nukes on the planet.

@@mill2712 Dunno why you're talking to me about that. I'm the one advocating AGAINST using nukes on the planet, lol.

@@sergeantassassin3425 Chemical defoliants would work too methinks. Agent Orange that shit. Its not like you can walk around on the surface without a mask on already.

Terra Prime!

How would this compare to the Power Armor from Fallout?

Hopefully designed better. Like, some actual armour over the cockpit, not just pretending strong glass will work - make it retractable if you're having to deal with something like the interference of Pandora and can't rely on external cameras. Just a few plates on hinges would be enough. Oh, and maybe supporting true powered armour that would probably have been of considerable use.

@@Del_S sounds similar to a cupola.

​@@Joshua_N-A Perhaps, but I was thinking more a layer that can come down over the glass rather than presenting one relatively brittle and large surface area to possible threats. Besides, even if the Navi didn't get some kind of Ewok Bonus for rock to beat laser, there's still the fact that these suits would face small arms fire of comparable strength to the navi's big bow thingies in their original roles, so the lack of some additional protection seems odd. It probably does exist though and the force on Pandora didn't have it because, well, they were too busy throwing the idiot ball around I guess.

@@Del_S Right but a Regular Tank would've probably outperformed this suits if they wanted to fight the natives

@@Captianmex1C0 Even some APCs would be superior. Carry troops, carry heavier weapons, have better armour.

I doubt they will develop mechs for combat though, they are going for a more exoskeleton nowadays, mechs are infantry to bulky to take cover, tall af and tanks stripped of the main cannon, however, for logistical purposes, it’s everybody’s dream

Just because it's stupid doesn't mean it's not awesome. See Gurren Lagaan record holder for the largest mecha ever.

the bipedal mechs in the Titanfall franchise are also good for real-world applications.

@@vonfaustien3957 the op was referring to real world applications/realism, not sci-fantasy/anime/super robot stuff

@@palpadur1112 Sure, I want to see 10m tall 30+ ton machines running and jumping around like an average Call of Duty kid. They may be cool, but are stupid, and already too big.

@@hawkins1384 Most Titans range from 6 or 7 meters tall actually. Plus with their height, they’ll come equipped with a lot more offensive and defensive countermeasures.