The chess match was first played with two different classmates that are inexperienced in chess, only in the last few minutes the „captains“ stepped in

Bro do you even read ln or watch the show? If you think that real life geniuses are better than ayanokoji then name a real genius person that can fight know multiple martisl arts, obtain all human academic knowledge before turning 18 know how to play instrument can solve highschool level math problem at age below 9 and can speak multiple language

​@@karmaakabane1113Don't get me wrong, I like classroom of the elite, but that just isn't realistic 💀

@@hyperbuilder yes thats why they are better than a real genius cuz they are the perfect human genius the author want them to be they arent meant to be realistic they are meant to be superhuman

@@karmaakabane1113 yes, I agree. You also can't really compare fiction to non-fiction tho

This is true but if I ever play Magnus Carlsen and he blunders a counter punch that's only like 3 moves deep, I'd assume he was in a coma

​@@Rane501They were playing very fast, almost like bullet. Magnus did indeed blunder quite a lot of times in that time control.

​@@lebannen6056they were playing classical wdym? it was 60 minutes each

@@blade7535 Rewatch the episode if you didn't notice, they were blitzing out moves basically without thinking, the time control was 60 minutes but they were playing bullet-like.

​​@@lebannen6056 Bro even in bullet games players like magnus and hikaru have over 90-95 accuracy.... No way they are missing such an easy mate in 3!! Magnus even plays fully drunk and beats 2600-2700 rated bullet players

Ain't no way I'm top 30 or even lower in japan 💀

Lmao 😂

What even is this comment like are you delusional maybe in the 1800s but rn top 100 for women is like 2300 very very very different than 1600 buddy

​@@BS_Kuji He's talking about Japan where the competitive chess scene is basically non existent because most people there play shogi

​@@henczzz2035 I mean just go to the official Fide rankings for Japanese women and you'll see that the current rank 15 is only rated 1485

No anime mostra que os lances foram alterados pela Escola. 😢

no its not like that, the chairman rigged the moves

@@yourtechnicalassistant6672 no. it was a shitshow of a match. ridicolous through and through

@@simonenoli4418 thats the fault of either the novelist or adaptation writers(i dont remember if the chess game has the same details in both) he canonically lost because the game was rigged by the chairman

There was no actual chess game details in the novel, most we got was E4 and E5 and then the rest was a general description of the match ​@@Zyluki

Yup I agree like 4 seconds

In like a few seconds, he was just thinking about Horikita's thighs with the other 57 seconds

@@Rane501 relatable

​@@Rane501who wouldn't be lol

Bruh it fiction anyone can create a character stronger and smarter then any in existance lol 😂

GMs? Seriously?

​@@king_of_badassness no never mentioned.

GM's was not mentioned but PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS were mentioned...

Its mentindo "Professional players" Can be Fide Masters too

@@victorhugo-gb7kx not that I recall. Give me the chapter

Sameeee

I was waiting for Gotham chess or hikaru Nakamura tho..

the game in the anime involves a really bad animation error, so i'm not surprised that it's not featured anywhere 😭😭

I don't remember them saying that, I think the only confirmed intervention was the one at the end.

Also Ayanokoji stated while training Horikita that if she could beat him while he is going easy then he can beat there opponent, and Ayanokoji clearly wasn't trying very much considering he didn't report his answer had been altered. So like usual he is down playing himself so Ayanokoji while going easy with a bad start is 1800. So it still isn't accurate.

LOL

Qxe7, but with Bxf3 instead of Qxf3 ayonokoji will lose

You're exaggerating. Like that's a huge exaggeration.

Dude literally beat a supercomputer on a speed chess and he's only 9 yrs old that time

@@vyrenizauxus7538 then blundered in this game like a 1500 elo

​@@KentarouML He intentionally blundered it, rewatch the episode

Agreed

Nope, in the very episode she said she started learning chess after looking ayanakoji

No she’s a gm she literally been playing since she was 4

The anime did them dirty

I can't speak for the anime, since they do a very questionable job at adapting the story, but in the novels Ayanokoji had to go all out to just barely beat her at the end. They basically recognized each other as equals in chess.

Possibly to let more viewers understand the match

You probably found this because you expected a brillant move. There is no way a 700 rated player find this move in a match (unless you're not 700 elo).

@@Lecultedumicro-ondes people usually says that I'm good at founding great moves but I'm very slow, so most of the games I'm rushing because I'm short on time

@@Lecultedumicro-ondes This is true. I am less than 600elo and I can find the sacrifice moves in puzzles. But in a match, I would not be able to do it.

​​@@Lecultedumicro-ondesyeah actually i am 850 elo and i only found like 4 brilliants, best accuracy rate is 91-92 and it was me with pride boost bc i was playing with my friend who is my rivale 💀💀 if i play like that every game i would be like 1100 or 1200 at least but yeah i am playing chess just for fun i mean somtimes i start trolling in the mid game and doing random sacrifices and yeah one of them was a brilliant and i literally found it 😂😂😂 BTW my friend elo is 1200 but he was half sleeping and our score is 32/9 😭😭😭

Yes!

Yeah ayano could only give horikita help and not play the game so she could choose to move that move or not

@@Undercoverguy-qu3vzthat’s true but she’s definitely choosing his moves over her own 😂

@@Senzu_Beannn No shit but sakayanagi doesn’t know if horikita choosed to move her move or ayano‘s moves

But also it was halfway through the game anyway he could’ve probably destroyed her out of the opening

not really i’m a higher elo than them

Actually, no. The two of them are blundering constantly. They're actually playing worse that the newbies playing before them.

It was still a 600 elo level game play

​@@MANGAMASTERS_ in the novel you wouldn't be able to tell how the game exactly went The anime just made it look low level

​@@MANGAMASTERS_you wouldnt be able to tell since we barely see any moves

​@@MANGAMASTERS_if baku says it than it must be true

@@Nitty145 that's the neat part we can't tell how the game went cuz of writer's inability to write a gm level game that' why it would still be a 600 elo gameplay .

Maybe they should've taken one of my games.

The reality is that your perfect human is not so perfect.

@@user-gz2px6eh7s are u dumb? its a fictional character

@@user-gz2px6eh7s the reality is that the anime butchered the chess scene

@@randominternetuser7431 The anime died before the chess scene appeared

He defeated a super computer or stockfish if you prefer but it wasn’t shown in the anime but it was stated in the novel and there’s a document based on that feat or the statement

​@@ashithink the only thing he did was FINDING that move before stockfish, something that happens IRL sometimes when GMs play. He never defeated stockfish and that document is bs.

@@m3k569 That only shows that koji was faster than stockfish and why are you highlighting finding? What's your point?

@@gamershub992 nope stockfish can find mate in 10+ in seconds. Ayanokoji doesn't hold a candle against stockfish.

@@gamershub992 ​ Also the skill level of Sakayanagi is very inconsistent. The guys who were behind making this game clearly didn't know anything about chess. Like Sakayanagi was flabbergasted when Ayanokoji took a piece which resulted in a check, but was able to find a way to sacrifice her queen. When her queen was taken, she said that no ordinary person could achieve that move, although 99% of the population would play that move. In other words, stop overrating COTE!

Dude, i've never seen a 1000 doing moves like that, don't talk shit

@@sebastianguerrero8252 all those moves were like sht except the last move which was controlled by the principal

That is not correct Ayanokoji in the LN beat a super computer funded by the government in a chess match this same computer can think 20,000,000 times in a single second that would mean Ayanokoji's actual rating would be over 3600 but some people can't write chess games properly so this was just a statement so we have to base how good Ayanokoji is at chess off that

​@@aizenuchiha4998a valid point but still invalid in terms of fictional and real life scenarios.

There is a person who has defeated a supercomputer in real life too who can one side dominate magnus is chess.

@@-victim. Well we are literally comparing a fictional characters to a Grandmaster

@@aizenuchiha4998 yeah i agree 👍🏻💯

sure but even then, Sakayanagi's winning move was BxN which would force checkmate no matter what. even if you make the argument that Ayanokoji's moves were rigged and that him blundering checkmate with the QxR move and that doesn't show his skill is true, it shows that Sakayanagi isn't that good since she missed forced mate

​@@calvincarson8301I guess you can sac the Queen on e4 to then play f3 After Bxe4 but yes white can resign after Bxf3

@@rats0155 after BxNf3, even if white plays Qe4, black just plays Qxg2#

@@calvincarson8301 To be fair, they never really said Sakayanagi was a top tier chess player, she probably overestimated herself, or just wanted to play against ayanakoji anyway

@@rats0155 Qxe4. If gxf3, Rg6+, Kh1, Qxf3#. If g3, nothing can stop the queen from going to g4 to h3 to g2. White can throw in a check if they want but it won't do anything. If white plays anything else, the most resistance being playing Rfe1. Black can play Be2, swing the rook over to g6, and mate is coming on g2 in some fashion. If white throws f3 in there, the queen will just shuffle to e3 then f2 before mating on g2. It isn't worth going over the variations but mate is still forced in relatively short order. The cleaner way to go is not to play Bxf3 but to leave the pin as is and play Rg6 to begin with. If g3, then Qxf3 and Qg2#. If Ne1, Bxg2. If Nxg2, Qxg2#. If basically anything else, the bishop moves back on any square on the long diagonal which forces Ng2, Qxg2#. So yeah, Ayanokoji was a piece up then blundered away to get to this position. Then Sakayanagi proceeds to ignore two different forced wins that are simpler to see and use the same basic idea that she's trying to use. Even worse, she does it in such a way that narrows the opponent's options so much that as long as the opponent knows enough to see the mating pattern, they're left with all of 2 moves to consider, one of them being Qg5 and the other being Qe8+ which results in black having a winning position (active Q and R vs B and a pair of inactive rooks) but not a forced win. So I don't really take serious issue with how the game was going before even if I do think the moves were a bit poor. If anything, the others who were playing before played better than the captains who both almost immediately blundered the game back and forth in obvious ways. When a "good" player joins, you don't expect god tier brilliancy moves right off the bat right after hopping into the middle of a game because there's been no setup. Rather, you'd expect good moves which improve the position and get working on a plan. Both of them had plans, absolutely garbage ones that threw away the game almost immediately. So this is the actual record upon him hopping in. Ayanokoji never centralizes his rooks, instead messing around with his knights which were in plenty fine position already. Sakayanagi opens the position which is fine but then blunders a piece in short order. Ayanokoji ends up a solid piece but instead of defending, he trades off his most active piece and lands himself in this position where he's thrown the game. Sakayanagi overlooks two forced mates and throws the win. Ayanokoji finds a rather pretty rebuttal, albeit one that he's almost forced to find by the position offering so few candidate options. So I'd say that they were both putting out one unmitigated disaster after another. The actual play is probably about 800-900 which commonly has the traits of "has some good ideas but makes a lot of errors and has a tendency to tunnel vision which results in overlooking basic principles". Maybe even a little less given the leadup to it. I'd say the other students played better than they did and not by a small margin. At least they didn't blunder ever other move.

"To be able to play chess a sign of a gentleman. To be able to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life." -Some world champion a long time ago

@@MobSnek paul morphy, arguably the best chess player to ever live

@@Rane501 its correct although my rating is not super high but I can feel the depth in this sentence

@@MobSnek emory tate wasnt close to being world champ, he wasnt even a gm

Can't, there's only 2 moves noted in the novel E4 and E5 plus a knight move but that wasn't noted

wait are you talking about, the novel didnt cover everything

They do. All they had to do was simulate a game between chess bots. It's free. Stockfish is free

@@thatonenoob7854 but the opening has to be shit can they change the level in the middle of the game?

@@thatonenoob7854 they dint use chess bot.If they use the battle will be fire🔥🔥

@@ackermandz8485 I believe you can simulate a crappy game yourself first and then let stockfish/bot play midway.

@@ackermandz8485stock fish can adjust elo.

The anime butchered the chess game. It was supposed to be two GM against each other and against several operators and a supercomputer at the same time.

yeah

Haven't thought about it, but if true,, Sakayanagi was done dirty with that move frrr

Pawn to G3 will prevent the mate

Qh3 would be lethal

Qh3 and white has nothing to defend​@@near6291

No actually, Qe8 Ayano Kh7 sakayanagi g3 Ayano Qh3 sakayanagi Qe4 Ayano Bxe4 sakayanagi f3 Ayano And the game goes

That makes no sense. Im no where near gm level, only 2100, but good god man if I could replace even a single move from a stockfish game, i could make it lose almost instantly.

But that's not what Tsukishiro did. The LN explained that the move he changed to wasn't the worst move or anything like that, it was a reasonable move that opened up the opportunity for Sakayanagi tocheckmate

That's an over exaggeration

@@HORNYBALL.NECTAR- what is exaggerated?

@@leobiju3787 It was never said that it is 20 grandmasters lol. The original statement is "chess professionals" which is a general term for those who has high ratings+has chess as their number one career.

white has an extra rook so that wouldn't matter. Also the position is completely winning for white after g3.

@@user-tl1id9hz7z Bxf3 forces checkmate. Hate to admit it, but these punks are right for once.

​@@kshitiz6376wym by these punks?

@@user-tl1id9hz7z you have to sacrifice the queen to avoid checkmate, try using Stockfish in this position.

I know chess isn't for everyone but knowing that a queen is worth way more than a single rook isn't supposed to be hard to understand...

Which chapter

I gotta read the manga, I love the danish gambit wth

you should read the light novel. It's the actual source material of the anime, and only the second year of the manga is actually good. The ligh novel is amazing@@Rane501

Danish gambit? I used to play that when I was 800

@@Rane501 read the Light Novel, not the manga

​@technoeye6142 they don't have to necessarily be better than engines, alice is merely a natural-born genius, and a sort of chess prodigy by portrayal; something i am intimately familiar with; one would expect her to be 2300-2400 fide, if not a little higher although, one could suppose kiyo would be quite a bit stronger still. I believe it was once mentioned that kiyo surpassed all the masters that came to challenge him, so perhaps it has implications about kiyo in relation to something or other

There was an analysis about why Sakayanagi didnt move bxf3 and why Koji didnt countering it.

@@Shicva2029can you show me?

@@DamonCaulfied aight wait for me a bit, im at work rn

@@Shicva2029 im waiting too pls tag me when u send it

Then what could checkmate

I think white can just go g3 and be completely fine (not really you will still lose ur queen)

​@@pavelmatusu4457queen goes h3 and next move is check mate, no?

Not necessarily but you will lose your queen

​@@pavelmatusu4457how??

yep

lmaoooooo real chess fanatics KNOW

subpar response coming from such a chess fanatic, makes me think youre just saying this for your ego/chess sake and you havent really done your homework lol. youll have to understand that it wasnt ayanokoji who opened with the Nimzolaser attack, it was horikita, the girl who was set to fight another student from another class, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi were set as leaders to tap in if the students they selected to fight were having trouble, thats why its their match, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi only played some mid-end game and even then he didnt go all out, but besides how the story is played out, you also have to realize that this is all taken from a light-novel, which this exact scene was written in 2018, I'm not sure about you but i dont think that this writer is on level with Magnus Carlsen to be able to write a chess game of such level. he would have to use stockfish or something but that also wouldnt work well due to writings sake. the chess game they actually played didnt really matter for it to deliver the message the writer wanted to deliver. so to analyze this chess match from a hardcore chess perspective then youre missing the point. TL;DR you missed the point blud and your response basically means nothing and is subpar to what it meant in the actual anime. and you got your information wrong ;)

@@jj3472 you're totally right

@@jj3472 You absolutely make no sense whatsoever Horikita explicity tells us she was coached by Ajanokoji. do you think for a second that she can forget a chess opening 3 moves in? THREE. MOVES. IN? Nimzo larsen attack is 1. b3 2. Bb2 3. Nf3 4. d3 (depends on variations, d3 being the classical one that i suppose Ayanokoji taught her) NOWHERE in any variation is e3 a move. Horikita shouldnt even consider that! Why? because e3 walls the other bishop in, forever and prevents you from castling. they RECOGNIZE THAT midgame and INSTEAD of fixing the animation (fair enough) they presented us with another board state a few seconds after (horikita and the guy are still in control) in which the bishop that was supposedly buried in the wall pawn (that you can clearly see!) is in b5 which is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve! not unless the other guy turns around for a second and Horikita fking cheats! and yes i know that the author isnt magnus carlsen or bobby fisher or Mikail Tal or fking GOD of Chess. but DATABASES EXIST!!! you can literally PULL OUT A FAMOUS GAME and TRACE THE MOVES!! you DONT EVEN NEED to pull out shit from thin air!! and more to that. before Sakajanagi bluders her queen like a 1500elo shmuck who thinks they good cause they saw a mate in 2 that DOESNT WORK Ajanokoji that WAS IN CHARGE AT THE TIME. BLUNDERS by playing QxR!!! man just go to an analisys board and see that with optimal play from sakajanagi after QxR?? Ajanokoji is DEAD LOST!! QxR? BxNf3! g3 Qh3 Qe8+ Kh7 Qe4 BxQ f3 [...] and Sakajanagi has a Q for a R with an attack still mounting. She's winning completely. but she Blunders and plays QxNf3?? handing the advantage to Ajanokoji with Qg5!! to get the advantage. mind me. Qg5 there is actually a great move. like, a really great move IF WE DIDNT CONSIDER THE DOUBLE BLUNDER THAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE!!!! like cmon, and they REPEAT the game later on and she doesnt go "oh wow i lost cause im DUMB AS FK" but says "oh shit you win those" NO HE DONT WIN THOSE. you made him WIN! Just... cmon man.

@@Rane501 i wasnt trying to be mean btw, i really enjoyed YOUR video but i feel like some things should be clarified immediately. i personally really like classroom of the elite, having read the entirety of the light novel series, the manga and the anime adaptation. and as a chess fan i think respect should be paid where respect is due and the creativity and writing of this series i havent seen anywhere else. thats why i think it should be generally defended due to how hard it is to display a genius and his problem solving skills and methods while not being a genius yourself while also trying to make a series that instills dramatic, heart racing and tragic perception within someone. im talking about this more than about chess but i view this chess match as a very important part for the writer and the reader. some chess enjoyer would obviously do a lot to find the chess match of someone who is apparently "smarter" than Magnus Carlsen only to be met by the sad reality that the chess game wasnt allat lmao. in the writing perspective, the chess didnt matter as much as the message being delivered through writing. and in a chess perspective the idea of the writing being displayed to a chess audience should be more important and studied from a subjective and thorough way. EDIT: i forgot to mention my first response was meant to the guy who made the comment we are replying to rn btw

I mean, in fiction, you have character like Shiro beating a program that explored two hundred million possibilities a second. She won twenty times in a row, alternating who moved first just to demonstrate the imperfection of the program.

Ye and also the author says he can see 100 moves into the future, news flash bro its all fake. It's fiction, ayanokoji is seen as perfect in his own verse but when u include real life and other verses u have to take into consideration the level at which both are competing at. The best chess bot was probably 2000 elo or something at that time(remeber chess bots have evolved) cuz at one point the most advanced chess but was1200 then when it got beat they created better ones then even better then even better

Oh no, not offended at all, appreciate the perspective

I think that the author of the video is overestimating his own chess skills. As you say I doubt that even in a Classical game an FM would easily play that Qg4 instead of taking the queen.

​@@danieldestinocrafteroyt4605 no one above 800 would take the queen in a classical game its an obvious forced mate in 3 and finding Qg4 is not as Hard because there is no other way to reasonable prevent the checkmate in on g2

Do u play chess ? Idk why but u don't seem like u have played much. It doesn't matter whether the opening was played by them, the move in question was not high level and that move was played by them .

no one takes the knight with the queen instead of the bishop bro. It's beyond absurd

Thanx! Appreciate it fr

It would be accurate only if those premises were true but it isn't. Ayanokoji actually had a pretty close to even at the start. Then he immediately makes his position much worse. Sakayanagi proceeds to blunder away a piece. Ayanokoji takes a position where he's a piece up and instead of ever finishing his development, consolidating, and winning, he grabs more material and throws away the game, getting into a position where Sakayanagi has her choice of 2 forced wins. She proceeds to do neither and instead choose to do something that results in throwing away the game. Not only is it a terrible move but it is one that makes Qg5 incredibly easy to find by the mate in 1 threat eliminating almost every other option. So if you just look at the 2-3 prospective moves, you only need to go about 2-3 moves deep to find the results of each. That's not very complicated at all.

Yes, she can, and this would be a winning move

so why didn't she do it? i thought she is a genius@@Boris_Dyadyora

@@JJ-gb5j To be honest, because the authors screwed up

@@JJ-gb5j Оn my channel I also uploaded a video about this chess game, where I analyzed more than 23 of its moves. The bad news is that the video is in Russian

ig so🤣@@Boris_Dyadyora

Just calculated a better move