Cities are failing women on bikes, but we can fix it

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Cities are failing women on bikes, but we can fix it

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Күн бұрын

Welcome Shifter Big Stories, sponsored by Riese & Müller, a series of videos delving into bigger, and deeper issues around urban cycling and bike commuting.
We're looking at why, in almost every city in the world, fewer women than men ride bikes for transportation, why this matters, and what we can do about it.
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0:00 Meet Sukey
0:52 Defining the problem
3:30 The bicycle's historical importance to women
5:41 Barriers facing women cycling in cities today
7:51 Why some cities have higher proportions of women riding
9:14 A potential solution: "Modalities of care."
11:22 Visiting a city that's making a difference
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@elizabethraworth64 Ай бұрын

I am a 55 yearold grandmother that must ride my bike everywhere. For groceries 54 kms, drinking water 9 kms, post cancer treatments 110 kms. I managed 126 kms in one day on ecargo bike. I Love every minute of my adventure.

@comounaverdura Ай бұрын

@@elizabethraworth64 wonderful.

@ehoops31 Ай бұрын

I love this! I will not be able to drive at some point soon, so this is great to see. I want a world where grandmas on bikes is not out of the ordinary.

@elizabethraworth64 Ай бұрын

@@ehoops31 my cargo bike is set up to carry my 2 grankids as well. So fun fun.

@unconventionalideas5683 Ай бұрын

Fantastic! Keep going!

@linaraven Ай бұрын

Go Grandma.👵

@NeverTooTiredToRideTwoTyres Ай бұрын

Shoutout to the women I see riding ebikes, cargo bikes and road bikes in Melbourne, and those all over the world. You rock!

@elizabethraworth64 Ай бұрын

I ride my radwagon 4 with my grandkids or huge hauls of groceries. 1300 km in 2 monthes. So much fun.

@HisameArtwork 22 күн бұрын

thank you, it's so hard in my country. ass holes a plenty and no infrastructure for bikes. car ppl also hate us and think it's fun to run us over. I don't know any woman that bikes to work aside from me. I'm a tall gal and while I've never broken a mirror I suspect it would be satisfactory if I did since police don't do anything about serious crimes and I never heard of them bother to catch a biker.

@carpediem44 18 күн бұрын

@@NeverTooTiredToRideTwoTyres ❤️👋❤️

@TheStarkmojo Ай бұрын

One thing I think about (as a guy) is how bike infrastructure often shunts riders into dark, poorly lit out of the way areas. As a large scary looking guy they don’t bother me but i hesitate to recommend them to a woman, young person or elderly person.

@HisameArtwork 22 күн бұрын

ikr, am hesitant of them because of rabid stray dogs. I'm a tall gal so so I can can look down on most men in my country so I've rarely had any issues but friends haven't been as lucky. Men pulled knives on my male friends and they didn't fight back because they knew they wouldn't be rword and gave their wallets and phones, meanwhile my female friends didn't wait to find out, they reacted violently then fled.

@TheStarkmojo 22 күн бұрын

@@HisameArtwork just that bike lanes are places where you have to be concerned about encountering violence is the problem. I am nearly 2M tall so generally I feel confident anywhere but I have a few sketchy encounters. When bike lanes tunnel under roads seems to be a common problem spot in my city.

@Sakkura1 Ай бұрын

There's no gender gap in cycling frequency in countries with decent bike infrastructure. Just build bike lanes so women (and everyone) feel safe riding a bike.

@rudycandu1633 Ай бұрын

I totally agree. For the most part this is not a sexist issue. It is a safety issue. For a number of reasons, women put a higher emphasis on safety.

@Frostbiker Ай бұрын

@@rudycandu1633 I agree that it's a safety issue, but we can also acknowledge that it affects women and parents disproportionately. I would ride more if I could bring my kids with me, but it isn't safe enough to ride with them where I live.

@kailahmann1823 Ай бұрын

The share of women biking is also a good indication on the overall quality of the bike infrastructure. In your diagram at 2:53 the four major German cities (which aren't even the most bike friendly places in the country) stand out not only with an almost equal share (Berlin and Hamburg even have more women than men on bikes!), but also _far_ more cyclists overall. Because it's not "men don't care about safety". It's "of that tiny group, that doesn't care about safety, the vast majority are men". For students those 7% of boys biking to school don't really make things any better. Hamburg recently had a study reporting *72%* of all students biking or walking to school. No, not for the city; for the whole metro area.

@Frostbiker Ай бұрын

Yeah, only the most daredevil cyclists will ride wherever it is most dangerous, and those people tend to be young childless males, not moms carrying two kids on their bike. I'd love to have the sort of cycling infrastructure that encourages people of all walks of life to ride their bikes.

@PWRR Ай бұрын

Have they torn down all the interconnected parks in Germany? I use to live in Rüsselsheim and we would go for hours through the parks on our bikes.

@kipuvi9181 Ай бұрын

very well said - people ask why having these conversations is important - THIS is why because when we provide for different groups in our infrastructure we improve it for everyone!

@maxring837 Ай бұрын

Well maintained Public toilets on bike paths. Men are more inclined to find a tree if caught short.

@theepimountainbiker6551 Ай бұрын

Places to fill water bottles for all would be nice too. Few days ago I was out biking to my doctor, it was 38c and humid, I ran out of water before I even got there. It was a mere 6km ride but I only had 1 water bottle cage on my bike. I had to argue with a local public library to bring my bike inside (Which in Canada you are allowed to use a bike as a mobil aid, same rules as a wheelchair and I do) just to get more water. Carrying multiple water bottles is often something I hear as an "excuse" to not bike somewhere, if we had multiple public bottle filling stations in parks and at public buildings like libraries it would help curb that need to carry multiple bottles.

@ruthoneill5699 22 күн бұрын

Good point

@Checkers_or_Wreckers Ай бұрын

I ride my bike everyday for comuting and my wife recently started biking too and i started to notice that drivers follow her much closer and close pass her more often then they do with me. It makes her a lot more scared to ride certain routes because she worried about the drivers. I hadnt realy ever thought that it was related to her gender but now that ive seen this video im almost certain

@fallenshallrise Ай бұрын

I'm a man so I don't experience things the same way but it is true. When my partner is walking alone drivers cut through the crosswalk and don't give her as much space. When she is biking drivers are more aggressive or just rude. And I'm sure I don't see the half of it when we are riding together.

@carpediem44 18 күн бұрын

@@Checkers_or_Wreckers I will stop at the curb and force a driver to pass me if they try to tailgate. And if some dumbfuck wants to try to outwait me, they can try. A driver has to be a world-class asshole to tailgate a bicycle.

@soymilkman 13 күн бұрын

Dude being a woman sucks. Take it from me, someone who once was one. Used to constantly be followed, honked at, and catcalled by cars since the age of 11. And then suddenly it all stopped the second I looked too butch lol

@Checkers_or_Wreckers 13 күн бұрын

@@soymilkman I'm glad you have found what makes your comfortable and im sorry to hear about all the abuse you had to deal with. I hope that we men can make some changes and make women more comfortable in the future.

@foldedturnip Ай бұрын

Biking in NYC I'd be surprised if someone didn't say they were verbally or physically threatened by someone in a car regardless of gender. Obviously still in favor of modality of care biking infrastructure it will help everyone.

@catherinepeele5217 Ай бұрын

Sure, this is true for all of us who ride, but for us women, it's also harassment and threats of a sexual nature as well. And not just drivers, but other people on bikes too. The experiences are not the same.

@moodycxnt Ай бұрын

This is the entirety of metropolitan Australia

@SwiftySanders Ай бұрын

I was verbally and physically attacked by 4 women in an SUV.

@catherinepeele5217 Ай бұрын

@@SwiftySanders I am so sorry you had to experience that. And POC experience unique dangers on bikes as well. I was just wanting to clarify for the commenter that - as the video explains - the lived experiences of diverse riders needs to inform infrastructure design and supporting policies. Wishing you safe rides in the future.

@SwiftySanders Ай бұрын

@@catherinepeele5217 Thanks! I appreciate that. I wish you all safe rides in the future as well.

@Escher99 Ай бұрын

Loved the video, I've seen so many more people on bikes in Victoria, especially mums with their kids on the bike with them, or following along on their own bikes. The city has made huge improvements and now over 90% of Victorians live within 500 metres of a safe, dedicated cycling route. An interesting thing I've noticed is that as the infrastructure improves, more people are riding without helmets. I think that acts as a great indicator of how safe people feel riding on these routes. Also, shout out to Bishop's Family Cycles @ 6:54, awesome local bike shop!

@Shifter_Cycling Ай бұрын

Bishop's Family Cycles helped me out on this video, and I was so impressed with their open and welcoming approach to cycling. It's a great shop.

@derekjolly3680 Ай бұрын

The bike helmet wearing is more from fear conditioning and indoctrinating from schools, parents, and governments, besides laws in Australia. It's less about actual safety or making decisions rationally about it. Disable that propaganda machine, and it's the happy 1970s all over again with no one having a bike helmet and more people riding.

@sockpuppetpotato Ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. I'm a woman bike commuter myself, so I'm living this. I started bike commuting a year ago - mostly just for 1-5 last mile distances when boosted with public transit. I was honestly a very anxious cyclist - it didn’t help that bike infrastructure can be patchy here. But I’ve grown a lot - I joined group rides and made bike friends, and through them, I became more comfortable and realized how much I want to ride like them. They're my mentors and heroes, and I've finally submitted to n+1 - I got a new bike in hope of expanding my range beyond limited last mile transportation. I'm still learning: I still struggle with lingering anxiety over danger/risk, being more assertive (though I've become way better at taking the lane now!), bike repair ignorance, and attempting to find the best & safest routes. But the implications on my mobility has been amazing and empowering. All my life, I've been restricted due to lack of a license or car, but now my social life, confidence, and basic ability to just get places and do things without relying on merely transit, walking, carpool, or rideshare has skyrocked.

@notl33t Ай бұрын

Bike freedom! My brother was a person who biked to school--I biked occasionally and have always loved it. One thing that truly helps is just having a large enough critical mass of folks riding together--so the more infrastructure we get, the more people who ride, the safer it will be for women.

@amelia-rose2992 Ай бұрын

I ride my bike all over, but my main fear is leaving my bike locked outside. Anyone can steal a bike in uder a minute. The other fear is dude in big lifted trucks that blow black smoke in your face.

@allisonfrederickharteis7525 Ай бұрын

Yes, I hate the black smoke.

@BartAnderson_writer Ай бұрын

Important subject, thank you. My dental hygienist rides regularly to work. She said to me, "Why can't they make it easy?" Why not, indeed?

@MufferNl Ай бұрын

Because it would diminish spending on transportation which would destabilize the economy! Nevermind that all that spending would then go to good things, such as having fun.

@bruceclark5627 Ай бұрын

@MufferNl Ahhh,.Yes. The great bicycle conspiracy. Too many cargo bikes and trucking dies.

@bruceclark5627 Ай бұрын

@BartAnderson_writer I too,would like to ride a childs plaything in traffic. Why can't my bigwheel be on the highway 😫 ? Why can't I drive on The sidewalk?

@GangplankPhilly Ай бұрын

@@bruceclark5627 thinking bikes are child's plkaythings is a very american perspective and shows your ignorance. Also the first roads in this country were made for pedestrians, bikes and carriages. Before cars were even invented.

@bruceclark5627 Ай бұрын

@GangplankPhilly we also used leeches for medical purposes, is it my American ignorance that says that's a bad idea?

@Tokoroegao Ай бұрын

As a German woman watching this, my immediate reflex was "that doesn't sound right", because women on bikes are EVERYWHERE. Turns out, in the graphs shown at 2:50 min, we are actually pretty equally represented on our bikes here in Germany. Bad infrastructure here mainly leads to age gaps. Kids and elderly don't really cycle in the cities (aside from purely recreational tours).

@Heimbasteln Ай бұрын

In my german city a lot of children and some elderly also ride their bikes, but I live in one of the cities with pretty good bike infrastructure, at least compared to other german cities. Its no match to any dutch city though.

@Paul_C 4 күн бұрын

The reason why NL isn't present in the statistic is probably because it negates the problem: More women cycle in NL than men. 😂

@chelseashurmantine8153 Ай бұрын

Lol I love the opening because biking is shockingly fast compared to walking

@AwesomeSheep48 Ай бұрын

yeah it's like 4 times as fast, and way easier than running

@mindstalk Ай бұрын

@@AwesomeSheep48 Depends on your body and bike. I'm a fast walker and a slow biker, so can count more on 2.5x walking speed, sometimes 3x. I've seen it said that the average Dutch bike speed is around 12 km/hour or 8 MPH, a lot slower than the 20 MPH that some road bikers can hit. Mass biking is going to be on the slower end of things: people riding cheap heavy bikes, with upright posture, and no helmets.

@vermilionink Ай бұрын

It's incredible and frustrating that we are still grappling with women being expected to be the primary caretakers in their households, and how drastically this impacts travel on any given day. Biking is easy when we can just sling a simple pannier onto our rear rack and go about our business, but when the burden of transporting kids and chores fall disproportionately to only one person in a household that's an inequity we need to work harder to correct at a personal AND societal level.

@ashleychristenson4823 Ай бұрын

watch "Motherload", a documentary about moms and cargo bikes!

@steemlenn8797 Ай бұрын

I think you want to say that having kids prevents you from biking? Japanese has a word "mama chariot" for a type of bike that often has kid's seats attached. It's totally possible to bike with small kids on your bike and later small kids on their bike - if you have the infrastructure, even if it is, like in Japan, aimply the lack of car infrastructure because fo too narrow streets.

@winxred12 Ай бұрын

@@ashleychristenson4823ooh is it on KZfaq?

@newttella1043 Ай бұрын

A woman just needs to buy a $4000 cargo ebike with maintenance costs that rivals a car. The guy, on the other hand, can buy a $400 fixie that has virtually no maintenance. Problem solved.

@Heimbasteln 29 күн бұрын

@@newttella1043 The price of cargo bikes is pretty high, thats true. An E-Bike and a trailer for kids are cheaper and almost as good. But a cargobike never has maintenance costs that even remotely approach a car.

@lakrids-pibe Ай бұрын

I love those old timey suffragettes on their bikes. They were badasses. Back then, they were constantly mocked and ridiculed. I've seen many caricatures from that time where they are depicted with pipes and big cigars as part of their "manly" demeanor

@Kitiwake Ай бұрын

A lot of suffragettes were lesbians.

@jayvis123111 Ай бұрын

Like, just to be clear about the lack of influence of the sponsor in the content is that the media increases bike sales. Which is great because it means they also have an interest in ideologically challenging the disparity of women's cycling. I'm excited about more of this style of video, glad for the shift to a higher quality content!

@chelseashurmantine8153 Ай бұрын

Yeah I feel influenced to ride my bike thinking about music videos like The Big Moon “Your Light”, shows like Call the Midwife that show doctors taking bikes through the city to help people. So small but so impactful.

@allisonfrederickharteis7525 Ай бұрын

Another obstacle to women and girls biking is going to bike shops which are staffed only by men, some of whom tend to talk down to women or only care about the racing cyclist, etc. it would be great to see local bike shops cater to women more, and to the casual rider.

@mindstalk Ай бұрын

"to the casual rider." Bit of a chicken and egg problem there. Unsafe roads -> few people bike -> mostly risk-taking male enthusiasts -> bike shops that cater to such men. Safe roads -> most people bike -> most common bike is even named after women riders.

@AnotherDuck 21 күн бұрын

So it's up to getting more women to start working at bike shops.

@SquiggleDot Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the video! This topic has been on my mind recently. I learned a few weeks ago of an all women's gravel race in a neighboring state. Lots of climbs, not my fave, but the organizers are doing everything to encourage women into the sport. They are providing a mechanic if your bike has issues, they are providing a SAG car support, a food booth... basically you just bring your bike. I was so impressed that I wanted to be a part of it, climbs and all. I want this to succeed and see more events that break barriers that prevent women from participating as well as encouraging to take on challenges. Thanks again for bringing up and starting this discussion.

@georgeg7840 Ай бұрын

I used to go to high school by bicycle (late 70’s - early 80’s), I don’t remember if any girls also commuted by bicycle but I believe it was very few back then, the cycling infrastructure here in Montreal has improved a lot since then.

@EatsPumpkins Ай бұрын

Victoria has one other semi-permanent bike valet location: Hillside Mall. It doesn't get a ton of use, but with more publicity it might get more and not risk getting cut as it's an initiative by the mall rather than local government.

@winxred12 Ай бұрын

I love riding my bike but it is a bit scary. I find that male drivers in particular tend to rage at me more and not stop for me when I’m crossing even when pressing the crossing light . Also while I live my e-bike and eventually would like a cargo bike as a shorter person I loose my balance often and get hurt a lot (which could be improved with better cycling roads

@outrageousotis454 Ай бұрын

In bike-developed cities, it is not a gender-issue. But if the city has underdevoped bike-infrastructure, it will be a "macho" thing and they have to fight with crazy car drivers and so on. Most other men and women don't want to deal with that for obvious reasons. So there has to be a certain level of comfort, safety and practicality, to get everyone on board with cycling. Ranging from bike-lanes and separated bike-roads, safe underpasses or pedestrian/bicycle-bridges, safe bike-parking and accessible bike-storage at home.

@mindstalk Ай бұрын

Yeah, as another comment said, I think the main thing is that when biking is unsafe, very few people bike at all, and those who do are highly risk-tolerant (if not risk-seeking) and biased toward athletic men.

@outrageousotis454 Ай бұрын

Very good point. I glanced over it by just calling it macho, but you formulated it much better. Thank you!

@msopjes Ай бұрын

The walls of a car give a sense of security. That's why people in cars are aggressive (no repercussions) and why women who fear harassment have a hard time giving up the "safety" of a car. Stop the culture of harassment and things will even out.

@HisameArtwork 22 күн бұрын

eh, dunno about where you are but where I am women drivers are just as bad as men drivers, they seem to hate other women who bike because they are skinny and doing exercise, they rant about them with a passion.

@bensteele5801 Ай бұрын

I think part of the reason women need more protected infrastructure is that drivers are just more aggressive towards women. From my personal experience, multiple women have told me they cannot be assertive even when walking across a cross walk, because drivers will assume they are going to wait and try to get through first. As a man I almost never have this issue at the same cross walks. I often step out to force cars to yield to me, and cars generally stop and give me the right of way. My wife on multiple occasions has almost been hit in a crosswalk even when pushing a stroller, which again has never happened to me. I can imagine constantly being in these situations when you are sharing a road with cars with only paint suggesting that drivers give you space.

@Aethid Ай бұрын

From what I have heard, at least here in the UK, women are quite a bit *less* likely to be close-passed while on a bike than men. I think the kind of angry driver who is wont to drive aggressively around cyclists tends to be more offended (threatened?) when they see a male choosing to ride a bike instead of drive - especially if they are in Lycra. These are often the kind of male drivers who associate their cars with their masculinity, so it isn’t too surprising that they are angered when seeing male cyclists, as it is in effect like seeing someone questioning the validity of their manhood. The same kind of person who feels threatened when they see a man in a dress.

@DeezNuggz Ай бұрын

@@Aethid wasting your time, this person had no concept of reality. they believe what they're told to believe.

@Frostbiker Ай бұрын

The published research I've seen over the years has found that drivers give female-presenting cyclists more room when they pass. drianwalker.com/overtaking/overtakingprobrief.pdf

@agilemind6241 Ай бұрын

Yes but also no. Women tend to be more anxious in general thus tend to be less assertive - note this is because they live in a world that is inherently more dangerous to them because they are smaller and physically weaker than men - thus drivers are get confused about whether they are yielding to the driver or whether they are crossing and the driver should yield to them.

@bensteele5801 Ай бұрын

@@agilemind6241 that's really just a chicken or egg argument. The point is drivers break the law and rules of the road pretty flippantly when it comes to pedestrians who are women. Doesn't matter if women have often yielded to them in the past, the rule is to stop for pedestrians in a cross walk. How can they feel safe doing a whole trip in a painted bike lane if they don't feel safe in the most common painted infrastructure, a crosswalk.

@ashleychristenson4823 Ай бұрын

I have a cargo trike from Bunch. It seats 6 toddlers, or a couple of bigger kids and whatever stuff I need to haul. Its empowering, fun to ride, and makes for super fun memories with my kids. I feel plenty safe driving in our small town even without bike lanes. The country roads are a bit more concerning but that doesn't stop me in good weather during the day. There is an awesome documentary to watch that came out a few years ago called Motherload that talks all about women and bicycles. I loved it!

@ecopennylife Ай бұрын

Go Sukey, you're a legend 🥰🚴 Hopefully with more separated bike infrastructure there will be more riders male & female.

@ToriKlassen1 Ай бұрын

I am a regular user of the downtown Victoria bike valet - love it!

@Twilink36 Ай бұрын

About once a month, I (a woman) get some idiot shouting at me while riding a bike. Some of them just do it startle me. Because it’s fun I guess? Mansplaining on the road is aslo a pain. I don’t care about your great helmet, yes I check my chain regularly, yes I do know I can cross now.

@mariogarridopt Ай бұрын

Nowadays, in European culture, I have never seen stigma against the gender of cyclists. Every time I see people cycling with kids on different bike attachments, they are all men. Cars intimidate cyclists... Gender do not matter, and if there is a driver that harass women, "he" will do it if she's on a bike or by foot, bad people are not picky with transportation methods. The main reason why there is more men cycling in my view is because of two things: 1. Men develop muscle faster, making it easy on physical activity's; 2. Men take more risk, as we know men die more than women because men get into risky situations more often, and cycling today is still a dangerous activity. I don't even feel like there should be a separation between cyclists genders, women want the same as man do regarding cycling infrastructure, there are differences in bikes physiognomy and such and bikes shops care for that, but regarding riding around,... we all want the same...

@badabing8884 Ай бұрын

Around where I live in England the progress on protected bike infrastructure is painfully slow. It’s really a mish mash of shared paths and lower traffic neighbourhood roads. For many primary routes between our next largest towns they are mainly on busy roads. It’s just not safe, forcing cyclists either to take their chances with their lives or finding a long route around. No wonder young women don’t want to ride to school or work.

@bobalinga Ай бұрын

In our city in UK instead of on road segregated cycle paths, they've routed cycling through woods and very isolated places. Very pretty on a weekend with families but rather isolated and a bit scary other times. After dark I'd never use the main cycle path into the city centre.

@AwesomeSheep48 Ай бұрын

On the topic of women not having time to cycle, that's something else that should be addressed in addition to what the Professor was talking about. The overburdening of women with domestic labour is something we still have not sufficiently addressed.

@catherinepeele5217 Ай бұрын

100%. This video goes hand-in-hand with other, deeper topics about domestic labor inequality, misogyny, and sexual harassment. Some of the comments on this thread prove that people in the cycling community have a lot more learning to do.

@camperanne8589 Ай бұрын

I’ve commuted for many years to work on my bike. There are few commuters where I live, most are road bike riders. As a woman, I think you have to be resilient and determined to ride your bike because no one encourages you and many question why your riding when it’s hot, cold or raining. It’s too bad people are that way, they are really missing out!

@kueller917 Ай бұрын

Cycling I've found to be an actually great option at night since I can go down streets where I'd usually be harassed or creeped on at speeds where I don't have to worry. Similar to why women tend to drive. I also see a lot of women cycling around where I am which might help to normalize it whereas I find the more sporty cultures to lean to men.

@cmmartti Ай бұрын

In rural areas, I find cycling at night to be safer than during the day because modern taillights are impossible to miss, especially in flashing mode; and the roads are quieter.

@BS-xs7jb Ай бұрын

One issue I've encountered is a lack of practical yet still chic clothing made for women. Men get all kinds of pants that are good for cycling and look passable for work, when I tried finding something similar for women I didn't find ANYTHING. Yet women are under greater pressure to look presentable at all times. I like going fast and therefore don't want to ride an upright bicycle at 10 km/h to be able to dress nicely for work without looking disheveled, yet this seems to be the assumption otherwise there would be the kind of pant I am talking about (for example what I have found for men are the Lululemon ABC pants).

@bruceclark5627 Ай бұрын

@BS-xs7jb when enough women spend money on this,the market will meet the demand. A simple answer would be in the form of a question,when will they start making nice bike packing gear for unicycles?

@carpediem44 18 күн бұрын

@BS-xs7jb There's endless athletic wear for women. REI, Lululemon, Under Armor...

@buddy1155 Ай бұрын

I am glad to see that you have Riese & Müller as a sponsor! True great bike brand.

@cccpkingu Ай бұрын

I know to stay away now.

@cmmartti Ай бұрын

@@cccpkingu Why? Not all advertising is bad, it's not like Shifter is "selling out", as there's no conflict of interest here, and R&M is a reputable company that make good products.

@Bigbossperson Ай бұрын

NA bike commuting shouldn’t be the adrenaline rush that it is.

@fallenshallrise Ай бұрын

Totally. The whole reason I biked to work for so long is because from where I lived it was the most chill way to get to work. I could take a back route on tree covered streets and avoid all the traffic. After I moved my new route included a long stretch of riding on the sidewalk of a busy road so I gave it up. Not on purpose, it just ended up happening. I didn't need the "rush" of getting in conflicts with aggressive drivers trying to shave 5 seconds off of their morning commute.

@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 Ай бұрын

I mean it makes sense (even putting everything else aside) for places where bike infrastructure is bad and/or non-existent, as women are less likely to take risks than men are. It’s the same reason women in general cause fewer severe car crashes.

@iFireender 16 күн бұрын

I'm from Switzerland, one of the countries where it's just as normal for women to ride bikes. Most of your points left me scratching my head. "Transporting kids leads women to not choose the bike as often" - I fail to see how that is relevant to women cycling. Men transporting kids don't suddenly grow two child seats on their biceps to carry around kids. "Getting kids to and from school" - well, I started riding my own bike to school, alone, when I was 8. If you titled your video 'families on bikes' and had all the same points - just attributing them to needs of people with families, I would have wholeheartedly agreed. But I just fail to understand how this NEEDS to be shoehorned into 'women'. "Places where women tend to go to" sounds awfully sexist to me. Why do women NEED to go to rec centers, libraries, grocery stores etc.? Why can't men do that instead? Why can't man and woman (or man and man, or woman and woman, whatever) do that together? I mean heck, you even show the girl doesn't care and thinks it's the most normal thing in the world. Push that, not "we NEED to get women to cycle".

@RZaichkowski Ай бұрын

Love your videos, Tom, and a much needed discussion on women and cycling. My partner can confirm she gets harassed more when biking, while the full time bike valet in Victoria is a great idea! Something we could use in Toronto!

@scmorton8 Ай бұрын

Great topic and have come to appreciate Shifter more and more as a critical advocacy platform for practical cycling and improving city life for all.

@pattyrollingfree Ай бұрын

This is my favorite video of yours. Thank you for bringing up this issue. It’s absolutely a thing and it’s so hard for men to understand how we feel. A book that covers this topic in great detail is Invisible Women. Check it out if you have a chance. Suke is wise beyond her years and is set for success in life. Big hugs to Kaitlyn. So great to see her on screen. Thank you for your work, Tom. You’re my hero.

@PWRR Ай бұрын

Gender has nothing to do with it. I quit riding on roads in the US years ago as it was too dangerous for both my bike (poor roads) but also because of outright hostility and inattentiveness found in most drivers. It finally reached the point where I replaced my car with a Ford F250HD 4x4 with a 2' wide red stripe around it so people will see it and so I can see over all the SUV's and mini-vans that have replaced Volvo station-wagons.

@BelindaMurphy-s1v Ай бұрын

We are taught to be afraid. Afraid of undertaking physical activity, afraid of the weather, afraid of hills, afraid of being out after dark, afraid of doing things by ourselves, afraid of getting sweaty. Its all bullshit. Anyone who yells at me gets a mouthful back.

@catherinepeele5217 Ай бұрын

This is absolutely part of it. Women are socialized from a young age to be overly careful and to not take up space. I have to fight both of those things every time I ride. Keep giving them the mouthful they deserve. 👏

@user-cp7wq8fx6b Ай бұрын

Well you haven't absorbed you've been taught very well! 🤣

@HisameArtwork 22 күн бұрын

same, I'm still the only woman I know that bikes to work. It's not easy, you gotta be ready for a fight unfortunately. Either stray dogs or assholes. I've chased down both. Edit: I've never kicked down a mirror like my husband has but drivers are more likely to try and kill men than women. He has been run over by a tall truck who thought would be funny to sweep him off the street, but actually hit him. After that event gloves are off. Good manners don't deter bullying and murderers. Now he kicks wannabe murderers mirrors and leaves them stuck in traffic.

@carpediem44 18 күн бұрын

@@BelindaMurphy-s1v 💕💗💕

@RichardMackenzieaus Ай бұрын

This young Sukey has a great attitude. What a great and wholesome role model to teen girls. 👏

@nicolechristinehelen848 Ай бұрын

Thanks for this! I am a new cyclist and I named my freedom machine Susie B. after Susan B. Anthony. :)

@zeldajunkielol2 Ай бұрын

Lot of good points here, which to me seem like universal problems faced by all genders so I kind of take issue with a company with a vested interest in selling cargo bikes to a specific target demographic. To me, it seems like there just hasn't been a cargo "bike boom" yet which I dont think will happen until we have safe streets for ALL road users, to me it's kind of a chicken and egg scenario where you cant have one without the other first and in my honest opinion the best way to push for safe streets is what the Sukey said at the end "I dont really think of gender when it comes to cycling".

@EatsPumpkins Ай бұрын

Another excellent video! Thanks Tom. I'm in Victoria and see a lot of what you commented on. The infrastructure, the bike valet especially, and many other small changes are making it better and better. I regret that I was a few years too late to become a "cargo-bike dad." There's so much further to go though. The automated bike counts are fascinating. On the one hand they're disappointing because they don't show massive year-over-year gains, but it's clear that when a new route is created (Fort St., for example) the counts in that area go up noticeably. As more routes become practicable, the routes with the automated counters are no longer the pinch-points that most people on bikes funnel through, so even level numbers on those counters suggests steady growth.

@donmc1950 Ай бұрын

My wife was nervous on Ottawa's sometimes busy pedestrian cycle paths, so we bought a tandem 20 years ago. We now have an Etandem which shortens trip times and can carry a lot of groceries. They are more difficult to park however, and since Ottawa does not have any secure valet parking downtown there is an increased risk of theft.

@judymc4213 Ай бұрын

I'm 68 years old and female. I am not small, but I have embraced cycling around my community. On my daily ride to the gym, I have been screamed at by, big surprise...a guy! In a gas hog car, no less! Cities and cycling are not just failing women, but everyone.

@DeezNuggz Ай бұрын

that happens to everyone. the world does not revolve around you, princess.

@rudycandu1633 Ай бұрын

In the last couple of months I was sworn at and told to get off the road, by both a man and a woman. There are asshole women as well.

@jaz5941 Ай бұрын

@DeezNuggz she is just sharing her personal experience. What the hell is wrong with you, you silly person? Why so angry?

@judymc4213 27 күн бұрын

@@DeezNuggz What? I never mentioned about the world revolving around me. rude dude.

@DeezNuggz 27 күн бұрын

@@judymc4213 I didn't read your comment in its entirety, I apologize for the comment.

@Ro-zn6um Ай бұрын

Glad that you mention The Netherlands as one of the exceptions. No one here would recognise any of your statements 😅

@kailahmann1823 Ай бұрын

don't you even have more women than men on bikes (like we have in Northern Germany)?

@dutchman7623 Ай бұрын

@@kailahmann1823 Yes, women are a majority on bicycles! At school and student age there is no difference, but when people start to work, men are slightly more career minded and women more aimed at convenience, especially when they get kids. So women have more things to do that are local, and need less car use.

@mindstalk Ай бұрын

@@kailahmann1823 Japan too.

@thebigoaktree8401 Ай бұрын

Great presentation. A lot of useful information to keep in mind and even share. Male. Fulltime dad of a [female] toddler. GSD owner. Buffalo, NY. I take my daughter out ever day that isn’t rainy to get her used to riding. But there is no infrastructure here. No bike share equity building. Most riding is just plain dangerous for us. We have a couple of advocacy groups working hard to make the changes that we need on our streets. But it is super slow going. Considered moving to a more bike centric locality.

@Frostbiker Ай бұрын

I'm on the same boat. I have two kids and would love to ride to school rather than depending on the unreliable school bus service, but there's no safe way to do so and I'm not going to risk their lives.

@dznrboy Ай бұрын

I've seen women give up cycling because of aggressive male drivers, in my own experience 98% of aggressive drivers I've had to deal with on the road while commuting on my bike are men.

@Dontslaythybroski Ай бұрын

Ive experienced a even mix of both genders over the last 20 years

@ivancho5854 Ай бұрын

Maybe not 98%, but definitely a lot more.

@ExterminatorElite Ай бұрын

Complete anecdote here, I acknowledge, but my wife- who got a bike at the same time as myself so she could cycle the short distance to her work- had to give up due to unsafe cycling conditions near schools. In our area of California, school traffic and the roads near schools tend to be very unfriendly to pedestrians and cyclists, with bike lanes taken over by pulled-over cars and the roads full of still-waking, often distracted, maybe agitated and running late drivers. Most of those drivers, as you'd expect from persisting gendered parenting norms, are women. My wife got struck by a distracted mother and probably won't ride again because of it. I'm familiar with male a-holes in white Dodge Rams, but distracted drivers are also highly dangerous and it makes me think twice about cycling past schools during peak hours. I think this just has more to do with if the infrastructure is good and safe, or if it forces cyclists to constantly meet drivers on drivers' terms, and when it's the latter, the people most likely to take on the risks of cycling are, well, people like me apparently.

@carpediem44 Ай бұрын

I've dealt with extremely nasty women drivers as well. My solutions have been taking less busy residential streets and at ALL intersections giving EVERY driver right of way. No matter what a driver says or does, waving, honking, speaking, gesturing, I force EVERY driver to go first and clear EVERY intersection before I continue. I have outwaited drivers by several seconds or by several minutes. I don't care. I force them to go first. AND, have mirrors on BOTH handles. Watching drivers behind you is a literal lifesaver.

@derekjolly3680 Ай бұрын

There's a "Blondie" song that this makes me think of on "Eat to the Beat".

@shaebardgett9972 Ай бұрын

thanks for this video! really gives a good explanation of my feeling on why i bike and where i feel like i can bike.

@mindstalk Ай бұрын

Japan has very little bike-only infrastructure, I don't think mothers are financially supported, and biking to work isn't that common. But in the reverse of "bike paths to downtown", it's pretty safe and easy to do the 3/4 of trips that are under 4 km in length, thanks to the high density, narrow slow streets, or wide sidewalks/multi-use paths on fast streets. And kids are encouraged to start being independent for errands and school from like age 5 or 6, so little time spent hauling kids around once they've started going to school. As for the network, it's already there, simply the streets. The local streets that people walk, bike, or drive slowly in, or the bigger streets that most people bike on the sidewalk along, either way protected from fast cars.

@tommybos5331 Ай бұрын

A fantastic video. The production quality and storytelling has reached a new level. As a bike infrastructure advocate the topic of gender equality is paramount. Sharing this with family and friends

@MrStatusLine Ай бұрын

This was a really great video! I’ve been watching your channel for a while now, and I’m super excited for this new style of videos you’re doing.

@paolocruz8392 Ай бұрын

It just shows how men take more risk than women. I agree with other commenters, it's not about gender but safety. Make safer roads and people will use them.

@juliapoelstra3624 Ай бұрын

I'm feeling lucky right now in Waterloo Ontario. Is it perfect? No. But I'm feeling glad that I've experienced little harassment from drivers. Maybe it's because I'm in my 40s, maybe it's because I'm a larger woman, but I haven't felt that intimidation from being female. If you're a polite and courteous rider, you receive a lot of respect back. If I sit and consider the number of riders I see, there are probably are more men on bikes but not by much

@raphaelpommier4304 Ай бұрын

Great episode!

@Petit-Jose Ай бұрын

Good to see this issue adressed. Keep up with the good work 👍🏻

@jameslongstaff2762 Ай бұрын

There's a Saudi movie call "Wadjda" about a little girl who wins a Quran recitation competition so she can buy herself a bike.

@unsearchable4060 Ай бұрын

Female cyclist here. I am an immoral gay communist, but it's nothing to be embarrassed about.

@benwaardenburg Ай бұрын

It happens to the best of us

@lakrids-pibe Ай бұрын

They see me rollin' They hatin'

@DeezNuggz Ай бұрын

yeah, that's actually pretty embarrassing. I'm glad you feel comfortable enough to let everyone know how insane you are, at least.

@unsearchable4060 Ай бұрын

@@DeezNuggz thanks babes ☺

@cccpkingu Ай бұрын

It is interesting how much of the energy of certain people goes towards visibility, with nothing to show for it.

@b9904 Ай бұрын

Reflects the psychology of the sexes too. Women are more risk averse than men.

@fallenshallrise Ай бұрын

Great video. This data point, gender balance in cycling, is such an easy to understand stat and objective to bring to city governments. And not that difficult to stand at a popular bike lane and make some tick marks. Women in government have been fighting for equal representation for years so a message like "for every 100 cyclists only 17 were women" should really compelling for them.

@ryanlindsay4117 Ай бұрын

making it safe and easy for everyone will help close the gender gap

@DeezNuggz Ай бұрын

my ninja, what? 😂

@ttopero 24 күн бұрын

I appreciate the attention on this subject. I like to give shoutouts of encouragement to other non-male riders & men with children. They kind of face similar societal issues as woman as not the norm.

@christopherknibbs4820 Ай бұрын

cheers guys, this was a really good video. Very cool to see you making these new Big Stories videos :)

@bobavontanelorn5713 Ай бұрын

In my opinion it is all a question about the commuting abilities in cities, the distances and the safety. In some countries the bicycle availability might be also an issue. But as long as cities are planned and built with a focus on cars, there will hardly be any people who use bicycles for their everyday journeys.

@lyndseybishop6149 Ай бұрын

I live in Victoria and there are still many problems here. Our police force is very anti cycling - they've admitted to stuff like using their car to knock someone off their bicycle because they weren't wearing a helmet. I unfortunately do not live near bike lanes nor are they useful for me to get to work or the grocery store. I still ride because I am disabled and can't drive so have no choice, but my daughter doesn't want to and I can't blame her. Adding bicycle lanes is great but they need to be everywhere so that they can include everyone - most of our bike lanes are not in low income neighborhoods - *and* the culture of the city needs to change. Police should be motoring road safety, and as a bare minimum not assaulting cyclists.

@djw101 Ай бұрын

I think it's kind of weird to focus on gender gaps in cycling when so few pple of either sex cycle, and when most of big barriers to cycling are the same for men and women (e.g. safety on the road, aggressive drivers, bike theft etc.). The only issue that feels unique to women is possible harassment from male drivers and pedestrians (and maybe other cyclists)

@iunderscoream 17 күн бұрын

As a smaller than average woman, a big barrier is that the e-bike rentals are too big for me. They’re often made for a typical male rider. (Lowering a seat post doesn’t help if the geometry is for a larger person.)

@corkmans8846 Ай бұрын

i absolutely love this new direction for the channel. Thanks for your work!

@jeddulanas9262 21 күн бұрын

I think a good follow up video would be analysis of whether cars are necessary to have children. Is that woman going to start driving once she delivers her child?

@MarchuxProductions Ай бұрын

So, what it boils down to is men have lower standards of what's deemed good enough to ride. There aren't really any women-specific improvements (maybe culturally, depending on the country) that have to be made, just better all-round bike infrastructure. The getting kids to and from school and grocery trip argument is kinda irrelevant, that's a problem ANY parent on a bike faces, dads included.

@cccpkingu Ай бұрын

How do you get from the idea that women don't ride bikes to that they don't have access to bikes? It lead with the notion that the breakdown holds for even dirt-poor societies.

@krob9145 Ай бұрын

Some really have less access to bikes. In my family my brother got his first bike aged 6 and continued to get more bike replacements as he grew. We his sisters, on the other hand had to ask for years until aged 11 to be granted one bike each. This was the only bikes we would have for our entire childhoods. When we grew out of them as they fell apart there was no replacements. The first thing I bought when I moved away from the family home aged 19 was my own bicycle. I got it for my affordable transport. Some other girls and women may have smaller incomes and other priorities so getting a bike sounds like a luxury. The police in the UK regularly tell women it's best not to be out late at night and to stay in busy well lit area. We hear more of this every time someone gets badly hurt or killed in violence. Cycle safety tips say to use the less busy route which tend to be more isolated and badly lit at night. That goes against every personal safety tip girls have grown up with most of their lives.

@KellyS_77 Ай бұрын

I don't think about gender when I'm ridiing either, except that I definitely prefer step through (ladies) bikes to ones that are step through (mens). The mens bikes just aren't as compatible with the sort of skirts & dresses that I like to wear. I think I'm a fairly confident rider, luckily I live in a city with really good bike infrastructure (Milton Keynes, England)

@grahambonner508 Ай бұрын

It will be very interesting to see if the new towns that the new labour government have committed to will have a similar or even better level of cycling infrastructure, with schools and shops all accessible without the need for private cars. There should be no excuses for anything less.

@snekposts Ай бұрын

great video! love seeing the more in depth videos and the focus on such an underdiscussed issue

@peachtpm2528 Ай бұрын

Intrestingly in East Asian countries communting by bike is seen as a 'girly' thing

@jasonarthurs3885 Ай бұрын

Amazingly insightful wisdom from that young Calgarian.

@AwesomeSheep48 Ай бұрын

I really like how you covered this topic, there are still far too many barriers to women in all facets of our society. A few times it felt like the script read was "robotic", but I really liked the video and hope you keep it up!

@miles8718 Ай бұрын

Love this video, would like to see more on this topic.

@dutchbicyclerides-ss1ko Ай бұрын

The more bike videos i watch the sadder i get that we are almost always the exception in the netherlands. Yes that means there are examples for the rest of the world but the gap in many areas are so big its hard to figure out for other places how to get there. This is a perfect example here more females use bicycles than males for indeed complex reasons. Good to see some of the money i give to R&M for my bicycles not only puts a smile on my face if i ride them but also supports videos like this.

@thaneknight 20 күн бұрын

I would love to see more women on bikes. I bought my daughter a new bike a few years back and shes hardly rode it. People choose. I think ebikes have done more to increase people riding bikes than anything else. A lot of the barriers are mental. It's not stigma. It's fear of not being in shape and looking foolish or getting hit by a car.Better infrastructure benefits everyone. Why this becomes a issue of sexism in the West baffles me. Women were also told they couldn't do a lot of things they do now and in some cases outnumber men.If women want to ride bikes they will and if they don't they won't. It's not a crisis.Women outnumber men in going to universities and getting degrees (no programs to get more men into universities). Not everything must be 50/50. Men outnumber women in workplace deaths and homelessness. Differences exist and will always exist because people have choice.

@AnotherDuck 21 күн бұрын

I find that this is less about any unique problems women face while biking, and more about using the problems women face overall to talk about the problems bikers overall face. The biggest is safety, which is both a concern for bikers and something women consider more important than men do (women are more cautious while men are more risk-taking, on average). This is more about how they feel about it rather than the actual risks (similar to how people will drive at a speed they feel is safe, rather than what's actually safe). I think this is a good main point to push for, since better safety means more people will be included, regardless of gender, age, or ability. For places with low bike safety, only the most daredevil of people will consider it, and in that group you have a small percentage of men and almost no women, which leads to a very male-heavy distribution. Just improving safety will get average-concerned people to consider biking, and then you get a more gender-equal distribution naturally due to how statistics work. The number for what kind of trips first surprised me, but then I remembered that a lot of Americans work too far away for bike trips, even if there are good bike paths. Otherwise I'd expect the work-trip share of bike trips to be much higher, since that's more frequent and a more common activity than things like grocery shopping or taking kids to places. For which destinations to focus on I think it's much more important to consider age than gender, or more specifically making sure that kids can bike to school in a safe manner. This has _huge_ advantages for their development and self-worth. Where I live, in Stockholm, gender distributions are relatively equal, with men having a slightly higher proportion overall. When I looked at some stats, the only outlier was that with poor people, men dominate biking, while with rich people, women dominate. Older women also bike more, but that's much more even.

@steemlenn8797 Ай бұрын

That "care transport" might be a big part of the Japanese women biking. The housewife model is strong there, so there are a lot fo women biking their small kids to somewhere. That is why there is the word "mama chari" (mother chariot) fora certain type of bikem which often has kid's seats attached. And of course that there are a lot of small streets where there are nearly no cars so you don't feel threatened.

@53andME Ай бұрын

Many women graduated to MOTORCYCLES as i might do both 😊

@Heimbasteln Ай бұрын

I live in Germany and after looking at those graphs I am not surprised the video title didnt really get me. I have never seen a big disparity in gender among casual cyclists here, and children or teenagers cycling to school, both genders, are quite common. I am however lucky to live in a city that has good bike infrastructure and is getting better every year. I only notice a gender disparity in road cycle groups who dont ride to get somewhere, but to exercise or train themselves.

@80y3r9 Ай бұрын

This is important and under funded Thanks!

@Shifter_Cycling Ай бұрын

Thank you for the support! I appreciate it.

@dvn711 Ай бұрын

Irony: Cailynn mentioning that cargo bikes are cost prohibitive, while the video is sponsored by one of the most expensive cargo bike companies. (I really want one, not knocking them, just found it funny.)

@thecastbulletkid Ай бұрын

Of those that cycle commute to my workplace it is a 50/50 split by gender.

@catherinem1578 Ай бұрын

IMO helmet hair is a problem. I love to bike anyway.

@AustinSersen Ай бұрын

That B-roll music in the first half sounds nearly identical to the suspense music of the Korean TV show: Heart Signal. I love it!

@D3an Ай бұрын

I hope that you continue to show the gender divide regarding cycling. The video could also looked into the combined racial and gender barriers. Especially as the two are pretty interlinked. It was amazing to have see other people advocating for gender equality in Active Transportation.

@DeezNuggz Ай бұрын

how about stopping the bitching and complaining and just riding the damn bike?

@mindstalk Ай бұрын

@@DeezNuggz How about you making any useful comments?

@DeezNuggz Ай бұрын

@@mindstalk seems useful to me, if it made you upset.

@mindstalk Ай бұрын

@@DeezNuggz Ah, got it, you're a sad little troll. Your life is so empty or twisted that upsetting people seems the best use of your time. I feel sorry for you and hope you find real meaning someday.

@Exgrmbl 16 күн бұрын

there are no real "barriers" it's just how people with different mentalities react to a given circumstance. Women are much more risk-averse than men, so if cycling has a considerable level of danger, they won't do it and leave it to the guys willing to do the risky "stupid" stuff

@definitelynotacrab7651 Ай бұрын

Great video talking about a very important problem!

@icingfeestbeest Ай бұрын

Great video, Tom, very informative. I can pretty much send this to our city hall as guide on how to get their behinds moving and how to do it, instead of ordering 1.000 studies that will not be implemented any time soon. A suggestion: Maybe think of building a website that uses your videos as a guide or story for different target groups on how to start riding, planning and building infrastructure, get more confidence, finding cycling routes, implementing bikes in one's daily routine, ... . There are many aspects for different people and your video-library already covers many of those. Give it some curation and I'm sure it can help and inspire people and policy makers worldwide with some good factual storytelling.

@SkipDorsey Ай бұрын

Helmets Vs. Hairstyles + Vanity = NO RIDING TO WORK. My wife will ride after work but doesnt want to mess up her hair before or during work hours.

@twgood5882 Ай бұрын

Your stock footages and historical pictures, especially practical fashion (Knickerbocker eta, etc) a century before GORPcore athletic leisure xear-budiness casual, are a nice production level improvement over mere talking heads.