BAC Weekly Tactics - Centurion Devastators!

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6 ай бұрын

Greetings my friends and welcome to the first BA Tactics video of 2024, today we'll be answering the question of are Centurion Devastators a strong pick in the current meta? To do this we'll do a bunch of analysis on similar units such as Gladiator Lancers and Ballistus Dreadnoughts. As always thanks so much for watching this video and supporting the channel! I hope you all have an awesome 2024!
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Пікірлер: 111

@CruentusMessor 6 ай бұрын

My goal is to play a game with fully painted models! I started collecting last year, but the painting is going slow. By the blood are we made strong!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Would love to see a photo on discord when it's finished :)

@jasontrump9595 6 ай бұрын

My hobby goal for 2024 is to make sure I smash the like button on each of your videos.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

You are the best Jason!

@pathartley1430 4 ай бұрын

I legit bought some devastators because of this video.

@emersonpupillo9967 2 ай бұрын

Super happy to find this channel! I appreciate your videos!

@ba_commander 2 ай бұрын

Happy you found us :)

@RSBurgener 6 ай бұрын

I would love to return to BA in 2024, but I'm not confident it'll be this year. I had to make a choice: invest in more Firstborn BA or wait for modern BA units to come out. So I started my own chapter made up of both Dark Angels and Templars units. I expect to finish the Dark Angels half in the next six months. After that it'll be BA...hopefully 🤞. Lots of Space Marines in the next 18 months or so!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Sounds like you’ll be busy!

@goforitpainting 6 ай бұрын

Cool as always.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@sammoore5771 6 ай бұрын

Happy New Year John! Im looking forward to trying out my gravis armor options. Heavy inters, aggressors, eradicators and inceptors. The numbers make me want to consider a Valiant over the Lancer but how does the math stack up? The lastalon is half the range at 36 and slightly lower strength at 10, but its twin linked and +1 to hit v monsters and vehicles. The meltas are also nothing to sniff at, with 4 shots at S9 doing extra damage if anything decides to get too close.

@tonynaranjo2982 6 ай бұрын

also, vanguard gives more survivability at range

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

True!

@S1leNtRIP 6 ай бұрын

They look really fun! I'm making a vanguard spearhead list and they seem perfect for picking up and dropping on a dangerous flank.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@HouseSalix 6 ай бұрын

Im cautious about buying anything firstborn, but these are really tempting. My goals are to paint the models i have or sell them. Either way, no grey plastic!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

I hear you, I'd like 3 more Centurions but I'm not risking it!

@johnmarshall3175 6 ай бұрын

Replacing tanks with dev centurions also removed bring it down as a scoring option for your opponent I guess

@matthewantonello5029 6 ай бұрын

I've been running a squad of 6 for quite a few game snail and I can't imagine taking them out. There aren't very many units that you can point them out that won't die, that I find myself needing to kill. I run a lot of jump pack Marines that are hiding in terrain. So I have the luxury of using Armour of contempt on them. if i'm selective with where I place them, it's quite difficult to shoot them down. The reason I run six instead of two units of three is to really capitalize on the librarian dread. When your opponent figures out they can't stop them shooting the thing they want on turn one, their heart just sinks

@Elmarto14 6 ай бұрын

Started with Leviathan so there are a lot of goals. 0. Be a good oponent. Always the goal. Know rules, be friendly, give them thought But fair Fight and have Fun. 1. Build my army(19/42 done) models to build). With extra points for actualy painting models(5/42 done). 2. Play atleast one starter tournament 1500pts 3. Play atleast one 2k tournament. 4. Not swap to Death Guard or Deamons until 11th. Chaos models are So Cool. Nurgle the most. 5. Not buy anything else then codex, 11th starter and BA box deathwing assault style(if we get any). 6. Not play turn 2 one hour. 🤣 7. Know all secondaries and actualy play for drawing them So i can score efectively. Year is long and i think i am ready for new munitoriums with anought models i like to play.

@stmirren2912 6 ай бұрын

I like the gladiator and Ballistus as dedicated anti-tank if I run into terminators and other elites I'd tend to send my death Comapny in as they have volume of attacks to get around the invul my current list is 2 gladiators and a repulsor executioner as my local meta does bring a lot of armour and I tend to throw a 5 man squad of dc with a chaplian to trade for a termie unit or other elites but I run SOS so slow units are a struggle to get where I need them as I'm not running the libby dred ATM either Plus it took me 5ever to paint up 6 assault centurions and im not down for another 6 shooty bois right now lmao

@freeme2705 6 ай бұрын

My goal is to get a painted army on the table to play some games this year.

@Ibrahim-von-Baku 6 ай бұрын

Happy New Year, John! My goal is to expand my army! So far I want to add one techmarine since I have zero!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Happy new year! Seems like a good goal!

@EmeraldPaladin777 6 ай бұрын

I got one for Christmas. He’s still at the painting bench, but any pictures don’t do the sculpt justice!

@Ibrahim-von-Baku 6 ай бұрын

@@ba_commander yeah, since three dreadnoughts, two lancers, Redeemer and hammerstrike in the army and they don't have anyone for maintenance! Crazy!

@joelhenry2527 6 ай бұрын

I’ve been running a squad of 6 in vanguard for the last 4 months. They always do work. Being -1 to hit and having cover over 12” ups their survivability a lot (and then armour of contempt)

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

You redeploying them alot?

@joelhenry2527 6 ай бұрын

@@ba_commander usually twice per game on average

@mezinator4759 6 ай бұрын

Isn’t the real point of these lists - not to decide the absolute best unit in all scenarios but to ensure your list has sufficient tools to deal with whatever an opponent might throw at you? Lancer for hard targets, macro plasma redemptor dread for termies and a glad reaper for hordes - you need to build balance into your list 👍👍

@IscariottActual 6 ай бұрын

Getting painted up to 2k army size. Finishing my first combat patrol in the next week

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Awesome good luck!

@bkreutze3709 6 ай бұрын

I play assault centurions all the time and their shooting has great synergy with the storm speeder Thunderstrike. I imagine the Cent Devs would work super well too, especially if the Lib dread is putting them jn the right spot!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

I do wonder if I should bring the Thunderstrike back into my list.

@RichieBenno 6 ай бұрын

biggest downside is the slow movement of the centurions imo. (also the models :))At least they have options for transport / teleporting though. Tried a lancer yesterday and it was just very swingy.

@michaelmaddox2536 6 ай бұрын

If I ever visited the UK, could we meet up to play? Hobby Goals: enhance my painting skills high enough to seal all my models with varnish. I've only put 3 to 4 colors on each model. I constantly go back and work on models as I learn more painting skills.

@william9557 6 ай бұрын

Talking about the lancer, your first mistake was trying to kill a daemon with a +4 invuln with it..... The lancer is very one dimensionsal but does that one role the best, so taking one for anti tank is always safe, even if you end up targetting the destroyer at T7 infantry like centurions and skorpehk destroyers after it does its job. Always take something with devastating wounds, like a redemptor to handle stuff like daemons or something with multiple lascannon shots; land raider, devastator squads (both kinds). More dice rolled = more chance for failure.

@gosupaints5186 6 ай бұрын

My hobby goal is to actually play a game of warhammer 40/30k. I have thousands of points and I always try to paint to such a high standard that I never find time to want to actually play a game lol. Great videos they get me hyped to play some 40k!

@inquisitorMence 6 ай бұрын

I feel you. Just got back into it and painting infantry is SO BORING. I have many tanks, and there will be many more, but I haven't used them yet...

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

You can do it!

@davidmcfadden2199 6 ай бұрын

Winning 5 games in a row with Sons of sanguinious seems like a good goal & eradicators still seem like the best option for anti vehicles and monster, with 6 of them I managed to kill the lion who has 3 up inv, their ability is just really reliable throw a captain in & maybe biologist you just delete monsters or vehicles

@stephenleggett4243 6 ай бұрын

I would just like to start getting some proper games in this year, been so long, what with where I live and where my gaming mates do, along with kids, ageing parents and all that making things hard for all of us.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

I hear you, it's why I only play 1 game per week brother! Good luck!

@troyschaeflein3378 6 ай бұрын

My goal finish painting my first 2k!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

You can do it!

@tajj7 6 ай бұрын

Movement should be noted, both the Lancer and Dread move double or more than double, so not only is there the cost of the Centurions you have to have something to move them about, i.e. transport or Libby dread so it increases the cost. Two Lancers or Two Ballistus are cheaper than 3 Centurions and a transport/and or Libby Dread. Of course you can move other stuff with the Libby Dread but the Centurions have really had movement as well as worse toughness.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Remember as well as in Vanguard, super easy to move the Centurions around.

@tajj7 6 ай бұрын

@@ba_commander Yeh agree but other detachments they are quite slow, so that does hamper them.

@joelhenry2527 6 ай бұрын

Centurions can walk through walls, unlike the vehicles.

@maximearbic6738 6 ай бұрын

My goal for 2024 is to return to the competitive scene in my area. With the birth of my son i put 40k aside for the past years and now i want to Come back in the game.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Congrats on expanding your family, and good luck with your goals!

@EmeraldPaladin777 6 ай бұрын

I have two goals this year. The first is to rank in the top half of one of The local quarterly RTT’s. The second of which is to have a certain amount painted Every month. I have the list made up, but I’m not going to share it here because it’s a little lengthy.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Seems like 2 great goals!

@matthewbarnhart5874 6 ай бұрын

will you help me understand which leaders, if any, can attach to death company intcessors. Judiciar?

@EmeraldPaladin777 6 ай бұрын

Only a chaplain on foot.

@Soulchant 6 ай бұрын

My hobby goal this year is to get an invite to NZ AoS Masters. And improve my win rate from 2:3 to 3:2/4:1 for both AoS and 40K

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

I hope you meet your goals!

@Thiccyg 6 ай бұрын

How do you feel cent devs stack up against eradicators, or eradicators with an apothecary?

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

I prefer the Cents I think :)

@asoka6296 6 ай бұрын

😮

@jeffreysmith915 6 ай бұрын

Its so early here but up at the hospital bc my son just had spinal surgery. Couldn't arrive at a better time!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Hope he's on the path to recovery!

@tajj7 6 ай бұрын

Should also point out though that if you lose 4-5 wounds on a Dread or Lancer you don't lose anything but wounds, but Centurions 4 wounds taken could mean they kill a whole centurion and a third of your firepower is gone

@ToddGrindle 6 ай бұрын

You're left with 2 lascannon shots... pretty much just like a lancer?

@tajj7 6 ай бұрын

@@ToddGrindle Not really because Lancer is S14, AP4 and D6+3, not 12 Ap3, D6+1, Lancer is doing minimum 8 damage from two shots and can re-roll them, so on average is doing more like 13-14 with two pens and it is wounding T12 vehicles on 3s, not 4s. The Centurions are only competing because volume of fire, as soon as you lose a model they are far weaker than either the Dread or Lancer.

@ToddGrindle 6 ай бұрын

@@tajj7 I think your 8 number is off... relook at johns numbers for damage against different targets. Definitely not doing 13-14 if that is what you are trying to indicate. With the centurions missiles I think you will find the damage output to be comparable..

@tajj7 6 ай бұрын

@@ToddGrindle I was responding to the comment above about it being 'just two lascannons' and the above comment saying that is the same as the two centurions but it is not, basically saying that two shots (if hit etc.) from the Lancer are a lot more than the two lascannons from the cents. Point is the Cents are a lot less resilient than the Lancer or Dread, and together with that less resilience when they lose wounds, they start losing firepower as well because you lose a model which doesn't happen with the two vehicles. Yeh the Cents have a bit more all round firepower than those two units, but they pay for it by being way less tougher and super less mobile, whilst also being more expensive.

@bigfatemails 6 ай бұрын

Support comment

@MariusGage 6 ай бұрын

My goal is to play an all terminator list in a narrative game against tyranids reinacting the last stand of the ultramarines 1st company. I’d love to attend a tournament too

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Including Assault Terminators or the bigger newer ones?

@MariusGage 6 ай бұрын

@@ba_commander I’ve kitbashed 5 assault terminators but the plan is 25 of each and a captain for 1995 points

@colbybastian17 6 ай бұрын

I think an important consideration is that centurions degrade as they get destroyed. Unlike vehicles, they lose a huge % of their damage at each break point.

@tonynaranjo2982 6 ай бұрын

however, there is more chance of anti tank weapons to one shot a Lancer than a Squad of centurions

@colbybastian17 6 ай бұрын

@@tonynaranjo2982 Are there really that many weapons throwing out 12 wound attacks?

@tonynaranjo2982 6 ай бұрын

@@colbybastian17 another Lancer, fire prisms, railguns, grav cannons, knight meltas

@colbybastian17 6 ай бұрын

@tonynaranjo2982 That is fair. Those weapons are also less effective into a vehicles because of the higher toughness/save/invuln though. The lancer's strongest weapon is 4-9, meaning if both shots get through they're still only at a 66% chance to kill with them, and they're very unlikely to get both of those through. But one is likely to get through, and is guaranteed to drop a centurion if it does and reduce the squad power by 1/3rd or 1/6th for a double squad. I personally do prefer the Centurians, it's just an important factor to consider in list building.

@jamesd.980 6 ай бұрын

I’m not investing money in a bunch of models that will most likely cease to exist in 11th edition. I already have 6 assault centurions, I’m not keen on pumping more money into a unit whose days are numbered. Perhaps it’s not optimal, but I will stick with tanks/dreads.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Proxy them as Dev ones. That’s what I’m doing brother!

@william9557 6 ай бұрын

Who says their days are numbered?? Theyre still a good unit but theres always "meta" when the marine list is so huge. Deva cents rock in anvil and assault cents rock in firestorm And they didnt come out that long ago; gw is phasing out REALLY old models

@peterhughes3461 6 ай бұрын

6:45 Incidental?

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

@honstalys 6 ай бұрын

My goal is to win 1 game at Adepticon's Friendly Tournament

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Good luck!

@thegreatangel8251 6 ай бұрын

My goal is to actually find some time to build and paint some models. I barely had any time to do any hobby last year. Maybe I need to find a new job

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

How many hours a week are you working?

@thegreatangel8251 6 ай бұрын

@@ba_commander probably around 40-45 when I factor in OT. The problem is not just work but other stuff I have to prioritise like the gym and a lot of time doing meal prep. Along with all the usual chores etc. All in all it doesn’t leave me with a lot of spare time. Then again I’m sure a lot of people are the same and they still make it work. We are all busy after all. I mean you have a full time job, kids, run a YT channel and still find time to hobby! I’m doing my best to get more hobby time. One of the things I’m trying to do is sit down in the evening and do something, build a model or whatever even if I only have like 30 mins. I wouldn’t be bothered before but now I’m like even if I can do 30 mins X 5 evenings a week that adds up to 2.5 hours more hobby than I’m doing now

@asaucedude 6 ай бұрын

Ran Centurion Devs and a Ballistus with Librarian Dread in Vanguard and their 4 inch movement was not a problem at all. Minimum 36" range and Turn 3 used Guerilla Tactics strat to take them off the board and reposition for a better firing angle on more targets. They even got the 9 inch charge because Blood Angels

@megazaku1139 6 ай бұрын

We need to start playing blood angel armies as blood angel armies :/

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately that's like the lowest win rate in the game.

@davidtrujillo3025 6 ай бұрын

You should normalize durability etc by point cost

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

I sometimes do that I guess, but there's some value in knowing just got the squad might perform?

@davidtrujillo3025 6 ай бұрын

@@ba_commander That's true , maybe having them side by side. It is nice to see just how the unit would do regularly

@davidtrujillo3025 6 ай бұрын

Goal is to play at 3 tournaments

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Seems do-able!

@Killzun 6 ай бұрын

2024 Goal: Paint my Soul Drinkers Army!!!

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Nice goal to have!

@philliparrigo 6 ай бұрын

This year's goal is to finish in the top 150 at NOVA. Finished in the top 200 last year.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Good luck Phil!

@UltraMeanMarines 6 ай бұрын

It's a shame everyone is copying John Lennon's list, as you can almost guarantee Centurions are in for a nerf in Jan.

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Not sure if copying is really the way to describe it if they are the best unit on paper?

@UltraMeanMarines 6 ай бұрын

People are just straight up using the same list again and again. Placing top three across the world in GTs. Ah well.

@tonynaranjo2982 6 ай бұрын

@UltraMeanMarines not what I see in BCP, it requires skill.

@UltraMeanMarines 6 ай бұрын

@@tonynaranjo2982 I mean, to an extent, yes. But the fact it has been taken as a list so commonly has just as much of an impact as the wins themselves. GW hate to see auto include units, so I expect them to get keyword changes soon.

@megazaku1139 6 ай бұрын

Everyone may aswell be playing the same chapter lol

@tonyirvingaudio 6 ай бұрын

Not sold, I'll stick to my vindicators and assualt Cents

@zenbyo 16 күн бұрын

00:01:22 Man it'd be really cool if you could hit that goal

@ba_commander 16 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for the generous support my friend!

@zenbyo 16 күн бұрын

@@ba_commander You're welcome. I messed up the timecode in my intial post but fixed it. Hopefully your next tournament win will include Centurions ;)

@Sanguinius2605 6 ай бұрын

My hobby-goal is to get a new Primaris based Blood Angels army painted to replace my old firstborn Blood Angels army 🩸🩸🩸 and of course actually try to win a game 😂

@ba_commander 6 ай бұрын

Good luck to both!