no dude. the pianist had make a mistake, not the composer

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart yes he did, mozart

That time you stumble across Mozart and Beethoven discussing a Bach piece, arranged in the 20th century, on KZfaq...

Someone turned the page at the wrong time. kkkk

@@renardgrise Using americanisms, moreover.

Impressive. My teacher, Professor Paul Stoye, studied with Lizst's secretary. So?

*hear

+John Clement Husain I agree with the scholars, I don't think Bach wrote this piece

I disagree that Bach didn't write this piece. This is very much Bach's style of music(original for organ instead of piano, always sounds great no matter instrumentation, contrapuntal, etc.). However with the horror, I agree, at least for non-organ forms of the piece. On the organ it can sound pretty scary. But on the piano or in an orchestra it doesn't have that scaring factor, just the notes and rhythm and style.

Caters Carrots What style are you referring to? Because this is why I argue I don't believe he wrote this piece, its form matches very little of what he'd normally do.

Contrapuntal is something that Bach used a lot. This has it. Also, he has written lots of toccatas and fugues(I mean just look at Bach's pieces on IMSLP. At least 20 of them are toccatas and fugues including this one.). Now yes there are pieces on IMSLP that are not by supposed composer(Like symphony no 50 in the Mozart symphonies. Mozart only wrote 41 of those supposed Mozart symphonies.). And most of his keyboard pieces used the organ(or harpsichord in orchestra) since pianos were very rare back then. In fact, the piano as we know it didn't exist until Mozart's time. But just because it has something unusual for Bach doesn't mean it isn't by Bach. I mean look at Mozart and Beethoven. Beethoven did a lot of unusual things in his pieces(single motive throughout piece, extending to triple concerto(piano, violin, and cello), and in general unusual style) but it is clearly Beethoven. Same thing for Mozart but to a lesser degree. And there were even stranger things about Mozart than Beethoven. Mozart could play piano before he could read. He started writing music at 5 years old. He wrote 626 pieces in 30 years. He is the fastest composer I know of. Mozart used a lot of mordents, turns, and trills, especially in his sonatas. That wasn't common in his time(except maybe the mordent which Bach used in a lot of his pieces). He used many repeats in his pieces with his Turkish march having the most repeats. But all of this is clearly Mozart despite the fact that some of this was unusual for him. So you can't say "This Tocatta and Fugue in D minor is clearly not Bach because of style" when Mozart and Beethoven are 2 great examples of unusual style that was clearly from Mozart or from Beethoven.

Keter_2438 and how's your success? I'll try to learn easy transcription

You can find this in IMSLP. Thank you. :)

Sometimes the part of me that is drawn to Beethoven takes over and, in place of the D minor chord specified in the sheet music, I just play a D major at the end. I've always found that it makes for a discouragingly nihilistic conclusion when played as written. I suppose Bach was just young and angsty.

@@sstuddert Sure, you can do that, but it's a LIE!!

@@sstuddert there’s a theory that Bach didn’t write it…

@@wilh3lmmusic You're absolutely right: there is doubt as to the authorship of the piece. Nevertheless, in spite of these doubts and contrary to what many believe, the preponderance of evidence actually _does_ suggest that Bach is the most likely candidate. Anyway, whatever the case, it's great music, whoever wrote it.

sstuddert Beethoven wouldn’t do that, not likely anyway. I have listened to a lot of Beethoven and he rarely ever uses the Picardy Third, which is where you play a tonic major chord at the end of a minor key piece. Usually he will end his minor key pieces in minor, with a minor chord at the end.

I HATE the Busoni arrangement (and this Tausig is like unto it). Just play the original.

What if you don't have an organ?

@@calebhu6383 you can ask someone to donate you one. People donate organs quite normally these days.

@@metodoinstinto what if you CANT have an organ

I personally prefer the Tausig’s transcription over Busoni’s but I find both interesting, especially Tausig’s arpeggios and Busoni’s Alternating Octaves and single notes.

Look and listen, my friend. That's the only clue I'm going to tell you.

+WaterlooUploader The missing part that the pianist missed out was the second half of the second bar at 7:50 (correct me if I'm wrong).

+Nelson Tan It's actually the whole second bar that was missing. Nice try, though, thank you for playing the game. :D

Haha no problem! Thank YOU for uploading this! After hearing the various versions of Toccata and Fugue, the Bach-Busoni version is my favourite!

+Nelson Tan No. Thank YOU. :D

Caters Carrots Tempo is relative.

cause much chords in it might be right I thought？

Bussoni was pre-Rachmaninoff so it must be the other way around

@@countmozart72 deisregarding time, the styles that influenced both Bach and rachmaninoff that bring simlarities between the two would correlate to this comments validation

If you repeat the same things for 13 years, of course you won't improve. Improvement in any area comes with effort. Never stick to your comfort zone and always try to get better by tackling something a little more difficult. When you try to play something new and you can't from the first time, that's your cue; it's a chance for improvement. If everything you try is easy, then you'll be stuck in that same pond until you actually try to look for a bigger pond beyond your horizon and find it.

Don't worry Amelia. I've been playing the piano and working through the classical literature since I was about 3 and a half. I'll turn 50 this year. I've made a career out of performing and teaching music for decades, and the works of the masters STILL make me feel inadequate. Realizing this doesn't mean that you're deficient, it means that you're smart enough to realize the level of genius that it took to produce this music. :-)

@@valentinh1384 well said.

the purpous of music playing is knowing yourself.

During the baroque era lots of music was scored and played using figured bass. Figured bass was basically a precursor to the chord symbol we used today. This implies that baroque music was in fact very improvisational and playing note perfect renditions can be a soul killing, negative approach to music. We have computers and recordings to do that stuff. I'm a jazz/pop guy and have a fake book with lots of the classics and I enjoy playing this one a lot. I think It's more about getting the sound and the flavor of the piece over getting a note perfect rendition. Pay more attention to the chords, scales and modes being used. Use that to develop work-arounds in the tough areas. If this piece was written using figured bass we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It's not about the mastery of the difficult its about getting the Sound. Don't forget Bach was improvising when he made this up and so is anyone who does and arrangement of it.

It's a piece, actually

No need to, I have included a link in the description box where you can download the sheet music.

@@thenameisgsarci so sorry , I was unable to open the link .

@@nisookh you have to copypaste the link into a browser.

@@thenameisgsarci thank you 😊

Et question subsidiaire : comment fait-on pour éloigner efficacement les vampires?

deberia ser castigado con prision el que pone propaganda ...

@@oroartesanal Propaganda???

@@cha_mzzn5690 nono...comerciales..excelente..gracias!

"Never underestimate all things." XD

Good advice!

It is hard. It took me long to learn it. And I'm here to hear someone else playing, to know if I'm playing wrong or not

The Toccata is what gets me. I mean sections in Prestissimo? I can get to allegro just fine but Presto and Prestissimo are extremely hard for me. I have only been able to do it once with practice(and that was with a sonatina that I sped up just to see how fast I can play it). All the other times I have done it have been sheer luck. Once I reach allegro, the faster I play, the more mistakes I make and I know that the more mistakes I make, the more likely I am to practice those mistakes. I think I might need to do something like tell myself "Just think of it as a big trill and glissando, you can do it." since I have no piano teacher(the one I had was rude at me in my second year and since then I taught myself) to be able to do presto without mistakes because I keep practicing, trying to reach higher speeds than allegro and I don't reach those speeds without mistakes.

Well, what's known today as prestissimo and what was known back then as Prestissimo were way different as musicians started to push the limits of music, loud got louder, soft got softer, fasr got faster and slow got slower

its in beginning of video, idont want ceck cause im listening

@@mustysheep3977 bruh

for me charconne is leagues better in both the original and the busoni transcription

It's the other way around, ain't it?

Ok done

It would be also nice to look at the first 10 seconds of the video and the description box, too. :)

Thanks. The pianist deserves more than 10 seconds of credit. The full name should be clearly displayed (as in a program), not the last name tucked into the text of the notes.

Karen

Not everyone has a pipe organ in their house.

@@KneeJerkish also there is the fact that some textures here are superior to the organ one (3.00 for example)

Well, simply because it is different. Bach has no boundaries. His compositions know no restraints; it transcends limitations to any one instrument. That is one of the many geniuses of Bach. Yes, it is one of the 'big stop' organ pieces. But the pianist here performs it masterfully with great integrity. It is magnificent and brings a different color and texture to the piece. I am an organist and play this piece, but it takes a pianist of immense skill, talent, and discipline to perform this piece with such brilliance on the piano. Wow! I am sitting here in jaw-dropping awe of what I just heard.

@@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz Not superior, just different. Oh, and it is so brilliant. I am just blown away by this piece on the piano. Wow! This pianist has such a supple technique.

wi'll never know/ holy spirit most likely

Where did you hear of that rule?

コンスタンティン・ラニサヴリェヴィッチ - bruh it’s been so long I don’t even remember writing this comment

@@dopplerfox where did you hear of that rule?

he broke the bad

care to point to the minute in question?

Oh, you saw the "Easter egg"? Hooray for good eyesight. :D

Well, this is arranged in a somewhat late Romantic style so..

It's Ferruccio Busoni. An historic composer with neo-romantic style. To be heard and appreciated in perspective.

Well the piano is a very romantic sounding instrument, so why not just like fully commit to making the whole piece sound romantic.