Sam: "I'm not sure why they've decided to re-tool this one" Also Sam "The RRP will be £40 more than the previous version" I think you've answered yourself there

for quite an old model, it's rather stunning, that mechanism is something all top quality models should have!

I bought one over 10 years ago with sound. Never serviced it and it still runs brilliantly.

Would be interesting to have them running together as a comparison if only to see if the new tooling is worth the extra.

i remember my brother taking me to Skegness from our home in Leicester the train was hauled by a pair of class 20s and i always remember my brother telling me that they were nicknamed choppers and to this day when i see the odd class 20 in service with direct rail services it brings a lot of memories back might have to get one of these Bachmann locos it looks pretty good

If they also sold an unpowered 'dummy' that you could couple nose-to-nose, there would be room for a BIG speaker in it :-)

Thanks for the vid, this was the last 3 rail engine my dad bought for me and I had forgotten all about it but when you lifted it up I had the strangest touch memory and it all came flooding back, a bit amazing really. I’m old enough to remember Binns Road and visited there on 2 occasions with my dad. Keep up the good work.

I’ve got the same loco with DCC and sound even with the sound disabled mine isn’t nearly that noisy. The class 20 is a great loco for the price!

After 7 months of watching your content, I have finally decided to make my own model railway. Thank you so much for helping get into the hobby!

Awesome model Sam! Very successful diesels indeed! Preserved example, D8188, was dressed up and used as the train in the James Bond movie, Goldeneye! Also, the preserved example that belongs to the National Railway Museum is the first one ever built!

You're quite committed when it comes to reacting to comments i give you that!

Great review Sam. Have been thinking about getting a Class 20 myself so would definitely be interested in seeing how this one compares to the new tooling when they're released. I'd heard that Bachmann updated/upgraded the chassis on these a few years back and now they're retooling the body to match that standard and make use of the lights, etc. Not sure if that's true but might explain why they're redoing it 😃

Many thanks Sam, really enjoyed the review. Class 20s are my favourites too. It would be lovely to see what you think of Bachmann's new release.

The 20's passenger work was mainly Derby - Skegness, Leicester - Skegness, Burton-upon-Trent - Skegness (noticing a theme here, Sam?) Birmingham - Skegness, Sheffield - Skegness and rarely Leeds - Skegness summer Saturdays. Oh, and to break the theme, occasionally piloted Class 47's on Glasgow - Stranraer boat trains.

They worked mainly on freights coupled with the cab ends front & back to improve visibility. They appeared at Devons Road 1D to work cross London freights. Many were on shed at Toton 18A MPD and were a common site in pairs on the leeds - Bristol mainline. Tinsley 41A MPD had a regular allocation. Information supplied to help modeller allocations.

Hi Sam That noise sounds the same as my two Bachmann Deltic class 55s You will need to remove the driveshafts and check the ends for plastic flashing on the connecting ends, The quality control here is really poor, Trim them up so they can engage properly at the fly wheel end, some grease and should be good, If it had lights you wouldn't bother upgrading it Nice model

16:29 maybe they put a failed attempt at natural sound in? Great video.

Great review, Sam, and outstanding camera work. Many thanks.

Another interesting video Sam. I have two blue and two green class 20's all Bachmann. Thank you Sam 👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🐖🚄🚅

Hey Sam! What do you think about buying the newest class 20 from Bachman and comparing it with this one. That would be fun. Cheers from Poland

Nice one Sam. I have been on a class 20 hauled passenger train. Back in the 80's and early 90's I used to travel to Skegness a couple of times a year. The trains from Grantham to Skegness were nearly always DMU's, mainly class 114's, but on Summer Saturdays you would get some loco hauled relief trains, normally class 25's or 31's, but on one occasion we got 4 Mk2 coaches hauled by a pair of 20's

For those of you interested in the history of where this loco came from check out the history of BR North British Loco 10800 circa 1950

Fantastic review Sam and I have seen a video of the class 20 doing the Polar Express event on the Severn Valley Railway.

Well, this is an interesting looking engine. I didn’t even know class 20s existed before this video lol. So far very interesting video! Keep up the good work ♥️

Wow, I’ve been rooting for you Sam to get to 100k, telling all of my friends about your channel so they can subscribe. Well we’ll done . I’ve been as sub since 19k, but I always knew you’d get to 100k well well done you deserve it

Hi Sam ! Great video, I recently found an old Hornby Inter-city 125 at the back of the shelf , it had not ran for a year and when I tried to run it sparks flew and smoke poured out so I dismantled the motor and cleaned everything then re oiled it , I also found something called Autosol metal polish and I cleaned the metal clips that held the gears and springs in place, the motor looked like it was fresh from the factory and ran like a sewing machine!

Yet again. A splendid review. I got my repaired rocket back today from Hornby, it runs better than ever. The video of it is now on my channel

Sam, a mention of Lionel N scale for Christmas was surprising. But likely just non working ornaments to collect or hang from the Christmas tree. Such is the attraction of the brand in the US, people praise them much more than anyone else in the world. Hope the KZfaq link added below does not get suppressed as it seems to be the trend now.

Great new video .Thank's very much.

I'd really like to see a comparison with the new one.

I really like this, I have a dublo BR green one. Its not the best at being quiet but it is very old. This is a very nice review Sam!

Hi Sam I’ve got 2 class 20’s , a Lima 20 and a Bachmann 20 and I’ve never heard anything like that before , my Lima class 20 is slightly noisy nothing like your 1. If it’s making a noise like that my advice would to take a further look at it maybe it’s something to do with the motor. Finally it would be nice to see you review the brand new retooled class 20,would be nice to see what have bachmann have changed. Keep up the great videos Many thanks Steven

Great Review. I like the class 20 it was one of the early BR diesel successes. It looks better in the original green. When at Toton 18A MPD I once asked a locoman what he thought about them and he replied that you never got to drive a pair that could perform equally and one was always better than the other.

Another of one of those fantastic Bachmann Diesels. Great video Sam

Great review Sam, Ive just got a 2007 version bnib and it makes that slightly odd noise even after running in. Fantastic in every other way though for the price

Great review Sam, got a factory sound fitted Railfreight domino headcode model with light kit installed. Works perfectly fine, but does have some noise as well. At least I can turn the sound on to hide that...

Best pulling train i ever got, its a little damaged now after years of use but its still 1 of if not my favorites of my engines I'd love a closer look at the Lima 20's I've a diorama that's required a few diesels in bits, don't fancy chopping up Bachmann body's but if the limassol look good enough I may use them.

I wonder if you noticed: That is the same type of motor that your LMS 10000 has (90° turned and without the dustcover)! I'm really curious if Bachmann gonna keep using it in the new one too? BTW if u like similar locos you might want to take a look Heljan's class 15 and class 16 - nice details, working lights, for less money than (this) 139 GBP (not sure about the mechanism but on the reviews it runs well) - !

I have two of these, one with sound and one without, that noise is certainly only your model mine are silent. I use them to pull 20 tankers up a gradient and to pull the track cleaning set up which has a lot of resistance. Works really well. Surprised they are re tooling.

Have fitted a Roads and Rails Double I-phone slim speaker to a sound version. Massive improvement to the sound and of course would not hear the noise from the gear train.

I got a Bachmann Redstripe Railfreight 20 with same characteristics. Good runner, but noisy in the cab forward direction only. My ambition was to pair it with another class 20 and let it run bonnet forward in the pair. Got 5 x Lima Class 20. The Lima Class 20 was one of the best Lima models.

In ref. to your comments my own Bachmann class 20 (code 32-029 purchased new in October 2005 for £ 37)also makes the same noise of "grumbling" at slow start, no change there then! but it's one of the best runners I have in my own collection and after some 17 years running still going strong. Yes I would be very interested to have a review of the latest version when available. As always thanks for your honest views you give.

I lived by the North London line at Gospel Oak when the first of these turned up one morning - D8000. A strange new sound, very loud horns, no yellow panels yet. They were allocated to Devons Road shed (1D) which was mostly Jinties and a few North London Railway 0-6-0T which were used for dock shunting. A few of them went to France and worked between Auxerre and Autun in Burgundy, where they were painted in a gold livery. It would be good if there was an unpowered one available as they so often ran in pairs nose-to-nose.

Interesting. I might look out for one of these on the used market as some folks upgrade to the new model, it looks good enough for me. I have a Heljan one but never been happy with it. I'm mainly a steam guy but anything up to 1960 is on the possible purchase list. Nice review as always Sam 👍

Hi sam ive had mine for a few years and it’s always made that noise i find it entertaining but it hasn’t damaged anything over the years so I think it’s just something vibrating

Hi Sam. For what you paid it seems pretty good value but I can see why it is in need up upgrading. Tempted by a bargain one though with half an eye on a future venture into the garden...none of my old diesels have lights anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️ Have a great weekend mate! Finally finished my power box so I am hoping to do some testing tomorrow morning in the garden 😎👍🍻

I have a 2004 class 20, I have a blue one, it has round metal buffers, also it has red fan in the top,, the cab still the same, excellent runner, silent

Yay Class 20 love your reviews.

I hope Sam'sTrains, sees this one!

Another great video Sam. Just imagine what a pair of Bachmann 20's could pull.

That thing sounds like the LBSC Thomas. I would love to see you get the new class 20. Great video

The advantage of having the cab towards the rear is that there's a lot of locomotive protecting the crew in the case of a collision, however with the cab running first, there's more visibility, thereby making it easier to spot things obstructing the line and taking action to prevent crashing into them. On the Southern Pacific, they ran into the same issue: cab-forward locomotives got into accidents less frequently, but when they did, injury to the crew was more common.

I got one of these recently and they are good for the tooling age

hi Sam i believe the reason for re-tool is to represent the present day modifications that they received for mainline workings

Hi Sam, another great show. My 2 Bachmann class 20 make the same noise. Both run well.

Yes, definitely, im up for an comparison with the new bachmann 20

Ooh nice a class 20. Great video. Obviously bachmann made the RRP massive as ever.

I think the main reason for the new one is to incorporate lights and more functionality for DCC . I’ve got a blue one and it runs well for me . Not noticeably noisy for me . Wont be parting with £189 for a new one though .

Despite it's price and age Sam, a fine loco from Bachmann....Thanks for another excellent review....Bob

Nice review Sam. I’ve got a new one on pre-order, so I’m hoping it will be a good one🤞 The one you’ve just reviewed isn’t bad for the price you paid I guess....., but no lights! Cheers John b😷

Ah the class 20, noice to see you cover these, they often ran them backwards because the nose was stupidly long and drivers couldnt see. They used one of these in Goldeneye as the spooky evil villain train with the explosives on it or whatever it was x3 If they were slightly taller it reminds me of the Combine loco from Half Life 2. I'd like to see you get the new one to do a compare/contrast type review if you are able to could be pretty interesting to see ^-^

I've watched your video with interest as I own the Locomotion Models 2015 version, produced for the NRM. It is the old tooling but it looks and performs well. As far as I can see the only real difference of mine from the original is the number (D8000) and maybe some minor livery alterations. My model is also sound equipped. I have the new Bachmann D8015 on order and it will be interesting to see what difference the new tooling makes. One improvement will certainly be lights on the new model. I await your review in due course !

Wow! For such an old model, it’s quite powerful! That’s very nice. I love it

The Class 20's really are amazing machines. Once the real things got newer liveries they just refused to show their age. It's still a pretty impressive model. On a model railway layout people would probably struggle to tell how old it really is in the distance. It's devoid of some more modern features of course but if the best of it lives on in the new tooling it'll be very impressive. I definitely want to see you review the new one.

I saw a BR Green Class 20 at the Severn Valley Railway but it am not sure if it is still there because it was back when I was 6 years old I'm now 16 I will be 17 on November 8th so I'll have to wait a few months until then but that's not important. keep up the informative and inspiring/relaxing videos cheers. Lewis : )

There aren't just improvements, there is also inflation. I would like to see a comparison review.

Hi Sam I just got the ROD dean goods with the railgun and I love it

I have a BR blue one of these weathered and it is a nice looking model I only had one issue which was the side cab glass fell out and I had to remove the cab to refit it.

Last week I took the weight out of a hornby cl73 for a second. The body felt so light immediatley afterwards, I felt scared to put the weight back in.

I really love to see the diesel and electric trains! Maybe something in O guage? Either way I love your videos and reviews, they're a perfect accompaniment to my time at home during lockdown so thank you!

I have an old Bachmann 32-028A BR green Class 20 with indicator boxes which does have a red roof fan. Runs a lot better than the Lima ones with 4 traction tyres.

The large build number of 228 locomotives between 1957 and the mid 1960s was due to the disappointing performance of many early Type 1 locomotives on British railways, the class 15s & 16s suffered from mechanical problems.

At the price you paid from TMC it is OK value. I might go for one while they are still available. The Lima 20 wasn't that bad really apart from odd gearing that made it lurch forward when starting and a tendency to throw traction tyres. Never found this to be a problem with other Lima classes so not sure why.

Live the class 20, I'm mainly a steam fan, but the 20 is something in the 80s went to Skegness on the train, because they used to be pulled by double headed 20s

I'm still waiting for someone come out with a class 20 tool of D8188 as she was in Bond: Goldeneye, mocked up as a Soviet armored train! D8188 had a steel nose cone, wheel skirts, and one-inch armor plating fitted ; she pulled two mk2's, same armor, one of which housed a computer database, and the other a missile & helicopter. Scenes were filmed at Nene Valley :p

I bought mine from T and R models in Wellingborough in 2004, cost me 48 pounds, still one of my good runners

I stayed up in the early morning hours thinking you will upload a video when it's Friday. Stupid me.

I find it ironic how bachmann announce a new class 20 after that poll you did before and quite a few people said get a bachmann class 20

Hi Sam. Sorry to 'call you out' on the cab, but it seems to be at the rear of the loco (cf steam locos) with the drivers' seat and controls facing forwards. So, to run in the opposite direction, the drivers would need to have their back to the controls; how does that work (somehow not the same as running a steam loco in reverse!)? Flywheels? The loco seemed to come to a pretty quick stop!

I’m getting myself a DRS liveried one of these soon, I hope it performs well! :)

My model of Pitchford Hall in GWR Green is a Bachmann!! It has sprung buffers front and tender. So it SHOULD be a great little locomotive!!

Imma call this Class 20, Devin, the Big Green Diesel, he shunts & pushes freight cars, and leads other engines to the sheds! He even pushes the Breakdown Train, as easy as pie!!!

I bought the new Hornby Railroad Plus GBRF class 20 the other day and was very pleasantly surprised! Runs very well, looks good etc. Probably on par with this model, but a bargain at £65 for a new loco!

Hi Sam I have a 0-6-0 Austerity that squeaks when I run it and I oiled the bearings and the moving parts but it still squeaks so I just ignore it and hope that the more I use it the squeak will go as a result of the squeaking I have nicknamed it "THE SCREAMER" Or "THE SQUEAKER" but on the other hand it still runs

Not half bad loco, I would say its sad to see it go but maybe new one will be better (or it better be better) so i reckon Sam intends to review the new one too for comparison? at least thats the idea i feel implied by the opening. Which gives ME an idea a versus series of locomotives in similar price range doing similar things from different manufacturers example: a short powerful locomotives such as terrier vs something functional similar (yes even same ones from different makes make sense).

I have the BR blue, domino head code version and I will say it is among the best runners I have. I love it!.....and no growling. Mine is as smooth as a baby's ....

It might be the physical age of your loco (or it was a Monday Morning build) my dad had one on his layout bought in the mid 00's and was a fantastic DC runner. Once warmed up he could leave it crawling with a train for hours on a run with elevation changes, it was quiet and was consistent. it was usually a game of when visiting him trying to guess which tunnel it would appear from, as he would set it going and leave it while tinkering with something little more problematic. He did add the code disks to hide the moulded lights though.

Mine is growling too. That is the only noticeable drawback I have with her. Hope they will fix this on the new model. I tough it was a problem when I get mine running for the first time. In six monthes/one year, this would be a good deal as a second hand model. As is, a decent model, you can tow trains with her and she works fine. Let's see what their new model looks like... As usuals, the price is skyrocketing from a generation to another with Bachmann.

My mid 2000s Bachmann 9f is a extremely powerful loco.

Yes they had spring buffers in 2004

Yeah you should get a new class 20, and Great review Sam

Hi Sam, I'm not really into diesels - just have two on The AnneliesVille RR - but this would be a good 'shunter' on DCC without sound for the motor makes enough noise. Yes, an investigation is justified ! All in all this loco is not worth a penny plus. Bachmann is just insane with the new prices. In that case it needs be perfect quality even with all the tooters and bells! But for Chinese made ... very doubtful ! Thanks for sharing & greetings.

By the way the newer Bachmann controllers actually do have circuit breakers the LED light will dim when something is shorted You should also try the Hawthorne/bachmann Controller

Hi I have 2 Bachmann class 20s from about 10 years ago and mine have finer windscreen wipers and a more detailed grill over a separately fitted fan. If you blow on the fan it spins.

Nice review! It’s such a great loco. I’m Getting both the 20/3 & the new green 20 soon looking forward to them... it’d be interesting if you did a comparison with the 20/3 or 20/0

There’s also the same sort of tone from Pitchford Hall, which is a 2003 model as well!! Mine will have to be oiled before its next run as she’s had several months off the line!!

I remember buying the bachmann class 20s for about 40 quid. Im only a spectator when it comes to the hobby these days. The prices are quite shocking now, even taking into account inflation.

If you want to find when it was made look at the numbers inside the box and it will give you the date look from right to left

wow nice video sam keep it up

This engine almost has a similar appearance to another diesel locomotive in the United States called an H10-44 that were made by Fairbanks Morse