Super looking model .

A very minor point - I'm not sure 20227 had a tungsten headlamp when allocated to Haymarket, you will need to check photos. It was only based there for a short time after being painted in Railfreight livery. Once a full batch of Sprinters arrived, the main line locos moved to Eastfield. It has been repainted a few times in preservation. I remember a single class 20 hauling a freight off the Cambus branch in 1988.

Just picked up this exact model (new version) Railfrieght grey DCC sound for £194 from Kernow models. Ridiculous Black Friday bargin. Was going to wait until after Christmas but very excited for it to arrive 😃

I really like the Class 20 locos as they remind me of early model US switchers. Also, these days some US railroads that still use end-cab switchers will run them in pairs with the cabs on the ends for better crew visibility, just as the Class 20s were, even though officially the non-cab end is the front. Cheers from Wisconsin!

Another excellent review. I will consider a br blue with costal sound. Thank you.

Very good and well balanced review … they are excellent models! Murphy’s law struck as I bought a pair of Class 20’s last year with the older tooling! I’m very happy with the look and performance of them so won’t be replacing them or adding new 20’s to the layout just yet … I may add lighting to them instead. 👍

what miffed me was when dealers hiked the price of old stock when bachmann raised there prices before the new ones came out so it was a double price rise when the new model arrived, I`d still be happy with the old sound model if i could find one for sensible money.

13:15 - Yep, absolutely.

Great video Dave!!! Thanks for sharing. Cheers Onno.

A great review of a very pleasing model. Very well presented! Cheers, Alan

In my opinion I’m not really bothered what the differences are between the old and new models, all that matters to me is that they have very good performance, when I get a class 20 or a pair of them as they normally run them back to back they will be bachmann ones purely because from what I have seen they run really well.

Great Video Dave. Will have to treat myself to one of these locos never had one before but from your video it's very impressive. Look forward to seeing more of this working on your layout in future :-)

Good review 👍👏 I have bought 2, BR blue, because Bachmann put directional lighting into this model. Had to pay them off. I agree with you that it's fantastic model 😀

Looks and sounds excellent, definitely add to my wish list. Thanks for the great review.

Great review for a great model, bought the Harry Needle and a DRS ones, both with sound, no complaints. As you quite rightly pointed out, the level of detail on the model is excellent..Think I paid £247 each with sound, thought that was a fair price..

Nice loco, but the price is eye watering

I'm very pleased with my Harry Needle version. I fitted sound from coastal DCC. I also have an original BR blue factory sound version. They were rare sightings indeed on the section of the WCML I model but did occasionally deliver stock to the Railway works at Wolverton so I decided to buy the new version lol

Keep up the great work

I will stick with my two Hornby TTS ones! (paid £89.50ea in 2017)

This was one of my few purchases of the year, like you say at prices these days we need to be a lot more selective. However when I saw the Railfreight livery and the rave reviews of the HNRC models I went right ahead and spoiled myself with absolutely zero regrets. Bachmann are really impressing with the quality of their new tooled models over the last couple of years. Sure it's a premium price, but I'd rather have quality than a number of lesser quality models

Hi Dave, An interesting review & comparison. Thks.

Very interesting video brilliant

That Looks so Awesome, i like this

Nice review Dave and a very nice model!. The DCC sound is spot on too and it sounds really good.- Nicholas.

Good honest review as always, what a workhorse.

These look better value than the new class 47 which has barely any difference seen working on a layout. Rather than buy one of those I will buy two of these in the blue livery, although I may just get one to start with and get a Scottish one later. If Bachmann were not hiking up their prices so much I would of bought the 47 as well but like many I now take a closer look at what I really need to buy, and 20's will get more use being suitable for both my main line and Highlands line

My favourite UK diesel. I'm a big fan of early diesels, 20s and 08s.

Absolutely loving these models. They look stunning. I thought about pre-ordering one of them in BR green, but in the end I went with a Sulzer type 2, also in BR green. Still though, Im quite tempted to get one in the future, since I do really like the model.

Great review Dave, ill be certainly getting a few br blue ones to run together, that sound file sounds spot on but nyself be changing speaker to a iphone speaker 👍👍😀

Thank you for another interesting video, a class 20 is on my buying list as I've been waiting for a new version to come out with lighting. The BR green version has been delayed due to a shortage of the correct colour LEDs. Expensive time with new class 20 & 47 this year.

Hi Dave, 'selective' sums up my 2021 modelling year, it's been a cheap year, buying only genuine bargains or something I really want. I've got a Bachmann BR Blue 20 038 which still has the £41 price tag on it from when I bought it new. No lights, but a smooth quiet runner and enough detail for me. £140 retail for the current model is OK-ish, but I'll stick with the 20 I've got.

Well presented Dave 👍I bought mine a few weeks ago as I was impressed by looks alone when I saw it in the catalogue No regrets at all and highly recommended. Thanks and looking towards a Harry Needle one, maybe more ;-) haha. All the best. Iain

Love the class 20 , great model but I am sticking with my old ones

I’d love to see a pair of 20’s hauling an MGR on the layout Dave 🤔😎

It really is nice and I wouldn't mind a BR blue version. I only have the Eddie Stobart version at the moment. Good review.

Very nice indeed

Great video. Wouldn’t it be great if they provided a driver or two in the accessory pack…

I have an older sound fitted redstripe 20 but if I got a newer one and ran them as a pair the speed steps would probably be different as well as reversing direction on one of them. So much easier as straight DC.

Excellent model and the forth coming Class 47 will be excellent, although agree with you price is going high and expensive, only purchase of detailed loco of each class £180+ is really feasible now.

I love a good class 20

Although I'm not a 20 fan, this is a very interesting video you've made. One thing, I notice on the new tooling, that it appears, at the nose end, the yellow doesn't go back as far on the top, as on the old one. It could just be my perception, but if I'm right, it's only milimetres.

Great video - I've sort of fallen in love with the current Bachmann Class 20. I'm planning to add a sound chip something I have never done before - any recommendations on choice of chip ?

In the list of functions it showed " window wipers F23" does this means it turns on the wiper blades and if so could you do a quick video of them in action???? Thanks Dave love your videos and layout out, so jealous of BOTH !!!!

Nice to know that the US modelers aren't the only ones gettin; shafted by Bachmann & their "Bachmann tax".

It looks nice. Glad it has lights, but a shame the 20/3s don't have the full WIPAC lighting. I may be tempted by a pair in BR blue (one with headcode discs, one with headcode boxes) if I sell the 2 lima and 1 hornby one I have, because I rarely run them. But all 3 of those locos combined will only balance the cost of 1 new bachmann one.

I love them got four of them, two DRS one Harry needle & one London Transport all with sound not cheap ATB Al

I really love this class 20 everything about it is gorgeous, everything that is but the price. As someone who is looking to start a new hobby, can you suggest second hand shops around the North west, other than eBay? By the way, loving your channel... Mac#

Unfortunately, for me this model doesn't represent enough of an improvement over the previous class 20. The big thing in the models favour is the sound file Bachmann have used, but that alone isn't enough for me to replace my two pairs of the older model fitted with Biff sound decoders. For me, this models lighting is its Achilles heel. Along with the class 24, it is a model which the lighting functions actually spoil the model a bit as it is done so far over the top as to detract from an otherwise decent model. Lighting, while bringing it up to 'modern standards' is something which the class 20 didn't really need. I'm old enough to remember these things rattling around for BR in the 80s, and even at dusk when things were getting dark you could barely see the lights on the real things. I have night photos taken by my dad where the lights on a class 56 hundreds of feet away in the distance shine far brighter than the class 20 not 15 feet away. To see a model class 20 with the ends lit up like a Christmas tree just looks plain wrong, the same goes for other early diesels, especially with the iridescent tail lights which have become the vogue. The more modern class 20s is a different matter with the WIPAC lighting and LED replacements, but for these models based on the '60s, '70s, '80s and into the '90s it needs toning down significantly. I'm fairly sure that the tail lights for these older 20/0 locomotives should show just one light too, left/off/right. They got this right for the class 85, so why get it wrong on this one?

Great looking model. I have two of the previous bachmann 20's both sound fitted. Unfortunately I just can't justify the cost of these new locos.

Hi Dave anther great video mate I really injoy it I think the new Bachmann class20s locos are great But I will be waiting for the rail Blue class 20s locos to come out before replacing my old Bachmann class 20s locos I only have two class20s locos for my mgr trains stay safe and well Dave goodbye for how clive in N Ireland

This is just the video I needed. I’m buying one at the weekend. Would I be right in buying the newer version? I know it’s dearer, but it looks better (to me at least…I’m no expert). Cheers mate.

looks a peach, a big step up from the previous no lights 20, the older one is still a good model and can probably get one at a cheap price, i may have to save the pennies for this new one, i still have railfreight 090, still runs as good as the day i got it.

I have the really nice DRS compas livery one.

Excellent review, thanks. 2 x 20’s are on my bucket list, but a fair way down! There seems to be a difference between the depths of the cab windows - is that prototypical?

Can you switch the head and tail lights on/off independently? Intermediate tail/head light a strict no no in the real railway world.

They look like they have faces :-D

Didn't you have a modelling tutorial?

Does it look better at layout viewing distances? No. Does it run better? No. Is the livery applied better? No. Not a cat’s chance I’ll be replacing my fleet. (And I’m so glad I bought my old ones brand new for £50 odd.)

Typical Bachman go so far then hit error button major gaff miss the headlight off the nose end days of Bachman purchase done overpriced again