They were called 'Coal Tanks' because they were derived directly from the 0-6-0 'Seventeen Inch Coal Engines' -- which were very successful in hauling heavy goods trains. Unfortunately there was a design weakness in the tank engines' brake-gear which made them unsuitable for loose-coupled goods trains, so they were in fact usually seen on local passenger trains. As to the finish, LNWR shed crews were only allowed to use hot water to clean their locos, with a little oil for stubborn grime -- no chemicals or detergents at all -- so unpainted fittings and hand-rails were simply polished mild steel and brass. But boy were they polished! It's also interesting to note that Webb's smokeboxes were painted exactly the same as the boiler barrels; but the much greater heat of the smokeboxes inevitably meant that the varnish there tended to burn off, and give them a slightly different appearance. And despite one comment below, Francis Webb was never knighted. He is, though, considered one of the more successful British locomotive engineers, renowned mainly for simplicity of design and economy of construction.

Plenty of character these locomotives, got one, best runner I've got, never fails me with the performance, quality and build quality

I purchased one of these last year from Rails of Sheffield which was of the preserved example and it looks lovely. I can't wait to run it. I however have been on a train hauled by the real loco when it visited the Severn Valley Railway and the did a lovely double header with resident GWR 0-6-0 saddle tank loco 813 and they both looked great together.

I've ridden on this engine on the KWVR, it's lovely in real life and the livery's spot on.

In the 1950s the survivors were spread out in location. Small groups were in Wales (WR) 10 at Abergavenny {86K} with 6 at Swansea Victoria & Tredegar {87K}. A group of 7 were kept at (LMR) Edge Hill {8A}

That is definitely a beautiful little loco! There's something about those pre-grouping tank engines I find really appealing! Excellent video as always! :)

Hey Sam, the math doesn’t add up on the rankings! The Webb with a score of 7 should have be above the LMS 10000, since that has a score of 6.

I love the Webb Coal Tanks! I bought one last year and it still runs like a Gem! Great review Sam!

another great review from sam, watching since early days

Perfect timing with this video! Finally managed to squeeze my break in 🙌🏻 (Work at the hospital - just been patient after patient today) - needed something good to watch whilst I eat haha 😁

I absolutely love my one in the LMS livery. It’s a great runner and absolutely beautiful. One of my favourite tank engines, I can’t put my finger on what it is about the design of it. Heartily recommend them, especially for the hot price 👍🏻

It always nice to take a trip down memory lane. Maybe you should revisit the Bachman E4 at some point.

My dad ordered one from that retailer last year but we haven’t had a chance to run it yet. Looking forward to seeing it after watching this review 👍

Another great review sam very enjoyable and informative dave

Hi Sam, thanks as usual for a splendid review. I bought one of them in the LNWR livery, after viewing your first review. I have been very happy with it and really appreciate Bachman producing an Era 2 locomotive in it’s original pre-grouping livery. I think the Victorian/Edwardian era locomotives are really splendid. I only wish the manufacturers always would produce engines in their pre-grouping liveries, if they had such liveries. The Hornby J15 is a perfect example. The engine dates from the 1880s and would look lovely in Great Eastern black and especially in Great Eastern Ultramarine Blue, lined in red. Greeting from beautiful East Texas. Stay safe and stay healthy.

It’s going to be a good school day when Sam uploads. Thanks for checking out that video that I commented about on a previous video. Have a good day!

Beautiful model Sam and it’s a model of the preserved example! It’s hard to understand why only one was preserved considering how many were built! Still, as long as one is preserved, we should all be happy! Also the owners hope to have its overhaul completed in time next year for the 100th anniversary of the merger of the LNWR and L&YR on January 1st!

Very cool that you re-did that one. On top of that the one I ordered arrived the day that you released this video. I opened mine while watching it and looked at the details while you pointed them out. Keep up the good work. If I may make a suggestion, it would be nice to have reviews of old stuff also just for a change once in a while. You could take the time to compare it to a modern equivalent and have a different rating like you had before for them. There is value for new people to get the old stuff and with railroad stuff that re-release old models from time to time, the old hornby and triang stuff can be surprisingly relevent!

Hi Sam Another Great video to enhance my lockdown. I get the AZ jab on Saturday. I am really beginning to like these small tank engines, they have a lot of character and are ideally suited to branch line and shunting layouts.

Very good review. I think it represents the engine as built. I love the huge chimney and have one of these in my collection.

Always wanted of these but have yet to purchase one. I may still go for one as I think the issues you rightly mention, probably wouldn’t affect me enough for them to be a problem. Still watching but still playing catch up! Hope you’re well mate.

Nice to see a trend towards stronger Bachmann mechs. Sam, it's well and good that you drive locos slowly over the expess points, but I'd like to see the locomotives perform through the express points, that is from the middle to outer and back again. This might showcase how well, or not, the pickups behave to lateral forces.

Fair review. I have this one myself and even though its freight predominantly, it doesn't look too out of place behind the BR Crimson 6-wheelers from Hornby. I think its just the combination of black locos with red coaches; always works.

Hi Sam it’s me again I love this train and your vids you make me happy keep doing what you do best making people happy

What a nice video to watch after a stressful day at school :D

Would just like to say sam no one else does a review as good as the way you do them dave

Excellent review of Coal Tank Sam 👍👍 Now this is the one that I’m thinking to buy as I am planning to buy the Genesis coaches from Hatton’s to go with.

Very nice tank engine, with no nasty glue marks or any other bits of 'not the best' construction. And a reasonable price! Great review as always. Thank you Sam.

Hiya Sam loving the channel and vids. Just catching up on some i haven't seen. I'm thinking the buffers were wooden on this originally. I've seen pictures of locos running up here in west Cumbria in the 1880s- 1900 with wooden buffers 👍 keep up the good work

Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive might have to get one

I for one would love to see more rare locomotives like this one, im really looking falward to when you revew the hush hush in the future :)

I love internal valve gear and painted cabs and metal parts on models that is what impresses me on a loco

I missed these when they first came out and i have had trouble finding one since, i was waiting for hattons or rails to get some in, didnt even think to look on TMC! I have just been straight over there and bought one for £78 which is a bargain! only 2 left in stock too! Thanks for the heads up!

Well done Sam! A very unusual but beautiful locomotive. It's nice to see some more pre-grouping locomotives! I think it looks much narrower than other trains which might be why it looks different?

Note the tender wheel size, it gives a clue to its use in hauling coal trains.

Great review Sam it looks very nice

Ah another bachmann video very appropriate as bachmann announced their spring realises today , great looking video Sam

I have the BR version of this loco. It is a little jewel. I have had mine pulling about 15 wagons and a guards van. It does look so old fashioned, you have to love how charming it is.

Funny, I just bought the LMS version from TMC. Delivered today! FYI, the buffers are different (still not sprung!) As are the lamp irons. So you're probably right about it being prototypical. Cheers for another great review!

that's the largest trailing wheel I've seen on a loco. very unique, great review

This one is a really nostalgic and classic masterpiece... It reminds me the development of human civilization... Thanks for your upload Sam.

Good update keep posting updates up

Hi Sam , Nice review, not to bad , when you have finished with it , can I have a go , All the Best Brian 🤗

Awesome review on the Webb Coal Tank by Bachmann! I think I’ve seen you did a review on this locomotive before, but I’m assuming you’re redoing it to make it better! I like the 0-6-2 wheel configuration on this locomotive although the mechanism ruins this locomotive a little bit but everything else is pretty solid. I’m gonna give this a C+.

Great review Sam! I have liked the look of this locomotive and wanted to add it to my collection as I have been wanting to get back into model trains again, though I need to get a new controller ( HM 2000 Hornby controller) Anyway keep up with the reviews! Also I wondered if will see the Hornby Merchant Navy class ‘Elder Dempster Lines’ in a review someday?

Hey Sam I do like these model trains reviews i hope you carry on with it

Wow very nice Sam I have one similar to this running on my layout. Best wishes - Oliver :D

hi sam yes its nice to be behind especially when travelling on the vintage and victorian coaches at the kwvr

Nice review of the Webb coal tank loco, always looking for good running models at a reduced price.👍

i am so glad Sam went back in time to look at some older ones. recently i am on wave of very old vehicles, you know the Fiat S76, Stephenson's Rocket, that ilk of vehicles (even tho nearly century apart they share certain glamour, nigh intoxicating love for mad ideas and speed. in car from 2000s onwards you never realy get to experience it even at its top speed but in car from 1900s you can fear for your life at walking speeds!) i wonder if someone is making 2-2-0 Planet or Le Belge or basicaly anything from around the rocket's era. Just wondering if my hopes to see full history of marvelous mad machines could ever come into play.

Have to say mate, I love mine. Got her for 70 quid all in with real coal posted by my mate who basically bought it and never ran it. Agree about the 3-pole and the flywheel debacle, but in truth I didn’t even notice (never had reason to open her up! 🤷🏻‍♂️). Runs like a dream smoothly and quietly. One that I shall happily dare leave to running outside while I nip inside for a cuppa 😂 Cheers fella 🍻

Great one Sam I've been pulled by the one at the Keighley and worth valley railway It's a model which is accurate to the real thing Very nice 0-6-2 design Keep up with the reviews Sam 😉 Kind regards Henri

9:58 hey Sam I'm pretty sure those buffers are the diesel's and they are so big they are covering 1054's. You can see the rivets on the back of the buffer holding the bigger part on. As well it would make sense as they are centered to the diesel rather than being offset on 1054. Also if you take a look at the back of 1054 the buffers are the same size as the model's.

Hi Sam, I have the LMS version of this and it is DCC fitted. It performs better at slow speed than on DC. My only problem is with the trailing wheels which are prone to derailing occasionally in reverse as the axle is not precisely held but floats from side to side and has some radial movement up and down also. However, I agree that it s a really nice model. Keep up the good work!

Great Bachmann loco Sam I’ve never owned a Bachmann loco but might I get one, one day if I get my own model railway :) keep up the good work 👍🏻

Good quality model from Bachmann! Enjoyed the review as always 😊 P.S. It’s called “beading” around the edge of the tanks and bunker 😉

Awesome review Sam, for being an older model I think we can forgive some of the faults it has, that being said it did surprise me it does better than some of the modern Bachmann locos, i think bachmann need to up their game!

Lovely wee engine, the LNWR made some nice locomotives. I have the G2A class from the same manufacturer. Great review! - The Caledonian

Great review as always with you. The odd one out is the GW Mogul 6336?

The Lamp-irons are standard LNWR parts, which were used right up until the LNWR's amalgamation into the LMS in 1923

Hi Sam, Nice review and the right conclusion. Not bad for a Bachmann. Seems robust and a good performer in the long run according some comments. Thanks & greetings.

Agreed with you overall. I've got the LMS version, and it is a decent engine at a nice price. I think the mecanism is good, but not exploited fully due to a substandard motor (3 poles and no flywheel). Put a 5 poles with flywheel in her, and you'll have a great puller. As is, she's decent, but the lack of good slow speed performance is a thorn in your side when you want to use her on branchline duties outside running from A to B (lots of shunting at every station if you run her on a pick-up train). I also agree with you on the plasticky parts, same in brass would have been great, and not added much more pounds to the pricetag. Other thing, I have received my Bachmann 94xx, the first batch from Gaugemaster with my GWR and my BR5 versions. With your video in mind, I took my magnifier and looked carefully to the areas where you had spotted botched finish on your own. Luckily, those were fine on my two first ones. Running test was also OK for the BR5, and is OK for the GWR (ongoing while I'm writing this now). Special mention to the firebox glow, impressive while running in a rooom with dimmed lights ! As you, outside the finish, I find that the 94xx are too speedy for shunting and banking engines. A more demultiplicated drivetrain with half the speed would have been fine. Seems you are a magneet for botched finished engines... Anyway, you are right to point that, because if you, as an expert, get an engine with a botched finish, the average John Smith can have the same kind of problem, anf that is not good for everyone. Keep on the good job done, it is always a pleasure to watch you. Cheers from France !

The Webb locomotives especially the Coal Tank were quite versatile especially running far west as the south wales valleys, so I just had to grab one when it was on sale at Rails of Sheffield

On my last comment on this video were I said I was building a Webb coal tank and you said make a video on it Well, thats my plan. Everything you review this year will be built (iv built all your reviews so far) and then showcase it at the end of the year :)

Its time to watch those episodes and rewatch some episodes.... I am in quarantine and sucks hard.

Hi sam ive Been behind the real on a few times at the KWVR but it’s recently been with taking out of service for its 10 year boiler maintenance and yes the bachmann buffers and similar to whats first to it

10:30 lol I'm watching this on my phone while building a Webb coal tank in minecraft. I had that exact picture on my iPad and this popped up

Hey Sam it definitely a unique loco. I do like these re reviews. Hope you are doing well.

Some good forthcoming releases coming from Bachman - one looking good is the detailed Class 20 including Blue/Grey, Grey/Red Railfreight

I thought you had reviewed this ages ago. My absolute favourite Bachmann loco. I have two, both with sound. I paid 80 quid for both of mine, they are on offer from time to time. On DCC, both are spectacular runners. The buffers are standard Webb buffers, the safety valve does not go through to the cab, this shows the as built version. I have a video of mine on my youtube channel.

The Webb Coal Tank was at the Bluebell Railway back in 2017 during a Branchline Weekend in May of that year.

I love this engine she lives at the kwvr and another great review

Hi sam great review love the webb coal tank really is a lovely model. Thought i get an opinion off you what is the Hornby LNER P2 like as a model as I am interested in buying one in the future

I guess 2 great model streak is over. But still not a bad model especially for the price, a lovely tank. Great review as always.

Seen the real 1054 at the Kwvr, keep mentioning the kwvr to you Sam it's worth a visit for a few of the prototypes of the models you have

Whatever the intrigue is, this is a lovely kettle and also a survivor. Bought for £500 which by todays standards doesn’t sound very much but at the time of purchase, it was.

Quite a facinating loco and model!

Love it. I've been after one for a while, since I don't have anything in LNWR black and only have 2 0-6-2T (bachmann E4 and 56xx, I'm yet to get an oxford N7). Plus I have a next18 dcc chip just waiting to be used. But can I justify the spend, with still not hearing anything in regards to the dapol 68s and rails/heljan 18000? Edit: yes I've just ordered one.

I remember when the original review came out! I do like that you're revisiting some older models, although I would suggest including something in the description or title noting that it's a revisit. Just my two cents. Greetings from the USA! -Lynne

hello sam personally i am really interested with the look of this loco and every time i see at a a train show i always think it looks interesting when running and i think it looks the best with plank wagons and for about £80 i think its worth the money and love the video from david

Another nice looking tank locomotive. 👍🏻

Sam me and my friend tomas love your videos and were wondering if you could do a video for us helping getting started on stuff like Gordans hill because we’ve been wanting to start that, I understand you don’t have too much Bc I’ve been a fan for a few years but a tutorial video might do good!!! Big fan and keep the amazing work!! The G.O.A.T of model train videos

My 4 year old has one of these and it's taken a hammering and still looks great and runs brilliantly. Picked it up for £65 a year ago at a little model shop in blyth. BTW your score had it in 3rd not 4th the lms 10000 was only 6.45

What a nice little locomotive!

Very nice engine Sam

.........regarding buffers on this model, early locomotives had boiled ( very hard but springy) leather pads as the shock absorbing medium in buffers sometimes over wood. This might explain the wrinkled effect behind each buffer.

With the metal taps by the smokebox door, I always jokingly call them "Beer Taps" 😂

Hi Sam I think about expanding my Fleet of Vintage buses at moment I have got 3 and I am thinking about expanding it to 6 but I don't know what type of bus it is between a single decker and a double decker which one do you think I should get

My odd one out would probably the LMS 4MT because it has a 2-6-4 wheel arrangement

Sam can you do a review on the dapol vtg ferrywagon for OO as they're 2 for less than £30 on rails of sheffield and they look really nice thanks again cameron

Hey Sam. Not about this video, but I have a question. All my modern Hornby steam locos have small couplings on them, most of my rolling stock has larger couplings, and when you shunt and connect the 2 only one of the hooks attaches. I can manually hook the second one on to the smaller one by bending it which doesn't feel right. What's the normal method here? Remove one of the hooks? Manually connect the second? Or just allow it to connect with the the one and leave the other wobbling about? Does that make sense?

Hello Sam! Nice review! I bought a second hand Flying Scotsman from the 70s (I believe it is R.855) but it has an incredible bad smell, a burned smell, but the loco works perfectly fine. Is it something to be worried about or the motors from that era are like that?

another Webb loco is on display outside of Leighton Buzzard RW station an 060 Cauliflower (called that because of the coat of arms)

I think the theme is pre-grouping Tank Engines, and the odd one out is that one Great Western tender engine out of focus in a siding! (Might be a Dean Goods, but I'm not sure.)

Sorry if I’m jumping the gun a bit, but I thought you already did a video on 1054? And speaking if her I’ve been behind her many times at the KWVR. Good video

Good job Sam that is cool

Really beautiful locomotive. It's really nice oh. It looks like they haven't changed really the motor type inside the locomotive I would think they would change it with a can motor design instead of an open face motor. But all in all it's a beautiful

Rails of Sheffield really let me down today, bought a little tank engine as "damaged" turns out the body was completely separate to the chasis and glue on using what i can only describe as black tar... Now i could have fixed it if it was just in 2 parts, but no tar goes all over the body and trying to remove the tar has taken off the decals, i think it will be a while before i buy from them again! Err rant over nice video may pick one of these up!

Probably would make a good little industrial, with suitable weathering.

Ooo that is a nice tank loco !