@@polyus_studios Most of the still-flying (in private hands) Starfighters are CF-104s, which is definitely a tribute to Canadair's quality of work in building them (ditto for the Italian-built F-104S aircraft, some of which are still flown by private owners).

@@polyus_studiosIndeed. Your video spoke of them being overhauled in Germany before going. MBB ( Messerschmidt Bolkow Blohm) did the 3rd line maintenance on the 104's while stationed in Germany. Perhaps the aircraft did have mod's done there in preparation for their transfer. I don't know. I could speculate further on this subject due to activity taking place in the week prior as the Turkish Aircraft Technicians were on base to get some familiarity with us. There is a post I put up in response to a person talking about a ex Turkish/Canadian 104 at Markham. As for unleaded vs leaded gas....well, it was just an expression of course. It was in the genre of "I like the smell of Napalm in the Morning" from Apocalypse Now.

Yah no rush, your doing great!

Synystr7 If it wasnt for this channel i would never have known Canadair developed some amazing VTOL craft too. I thought only the 100 and the Avro. We had SO MUCH GOIJG FOR US in aviation and the govt just murdered it all.

We are richer as a country then ever, but for some reason seem to have no money to put people to work.

WE LOST IT ALL THANKS TO THAT ASSHOLE DIEFENBAKER

@@edgarjohns6559 You've bought into the myth... The prior Liberal government under their famous defence minister CD Howe, had made the decision to shut it down but they were going to announce it after the election so as to not hurt their prospects. When Diefenbaker's Conservatives took over, they initially supported the plane but soon came to realize, like the Liberals, that its intended mission was made obsolete by the coming ICBM's which could be built much more cheaply than the waves of Russian bombers this thing was intended to shoot down with nuclear tipped missiles. It took them a further 11 months before they finally bit the bullet and made the tough (but correct) call to shut it down and stop the bleeding. It would have eaten up the ENTIRE Canadian defence budget. Of course, once in opposition, the Liberals changed their tune and decried the Conservatives for doing what they had already decided to do themselves. Politics hasn't changed a bit.

Diefenbaker killed it PERIOD

@@polyus_studios No worries, minor detail. Most people won't know the difference.

David Ramsay Was that the actualy wording? Could be. I do not know. I have seen several variants. Like “Buy a piece of land and wait.” But a good one! 😆

With a mig 21 Or A Swedish Draken

Variant of buying a farm but it's the pilot who foots the bill.

@@Karl-Benny Wasn't Sweden polishing Adolphs boots in first half of the 40s?,I believe Russia was too before we gave them OUR PLANES&War supplies!.

Part of that was the ground mapping radar was on the same frequencies of FM radio stations (or was that microwave communications?) Fly too close to a tower and entire flights would 'control flight into terrain'. Took them awhile to figure that out.

What was the top speed of the CF-104 INTERCEPTOR? We have one at the legion in Innisfail, Alberta, a town 10 miles south of the now decommissioned CFB PENHOLD an old airforce base. It looks like it's made with tin foil, but I'm told its top speed was MACK 1.5 twice the speed of sound or approximately 1400 miles/hour. It seems unbelievable that such an aircraft made with such thin metal according to my ignorant eyes could go that fast!

@@davidweum In 1958, a F-104 set the world speed record of 1404mph (Mach 2.12). Canadian Starfighters had a maximum speed of about Mach 1.7 - roughly 1140mph/990kts. The 75ST alloy skin betrays the structure within. Here's a cutaway: conceptbunny.com/lockheed-f-104-starfighter/

While the RNAF presented pilot Hans van der Werf in a spectacular solo display in the F-104, the Canadian Armed Forces in Europe came up with three or four F-104's performing simultanously and on low level during RIAT at Greenham Common.

@@polyus_studios I look forward to it! I think you did a fantastic job!

I made my own post to this video. Do have a read in reference to my feedback here, as I was tech in Baden during the final phase of the 104. On your statement about 104's in Lahr, I will clarify the fact's for you. The 104's at that time were only based in Baden. But every "Starfighter" (war games/Nato Exercise), 441 sqn would deploy and operate out of Lahr for the duration. As a Snags tech in 1AMS, we would be pooled out between 421 and 441, so some exercises I'd head down the Autobahn and work out of Lahr. Your observation and assumption of 104's operating out of Lahr can thus be seen as correct to a degree. If you changed your ….(in diminishing numbers) to ["just not all the time" or in military terms, "Lahr was a permanent 104 TD base"] TD meaning Temporary Duty....Your statement would be fully correct. Thank You.

​@@tiamatxvxianash9202 Having watched the 104s on their screaming approaches from my home at Offenburg in the 1970ies into Lahr, this clarifies a lot. I had the most magnificent flight display of the whole inventory flying into Lahr from my window, including the 707 which was always fascinating.

@@polyus_studios I agree, although I do find what the DND decided to keep/remove/add to the baseline F/A-18 Hornet quite interesting. Such as the tailhook, fake cockpit colour scheme etc. If you want more Canadian aviation id suggest looking into our northern bushplanes, like the DHC-2 Beaver. Its quite amazing what those pilots had to live through, because when you captain a bushplane you are not only fighting to upkeep the plane, but you are also fighting the environment.

@@99hockeynhl They didn't remove the hook.

You may enjoy my post I just put-up. I was a tech in Baden from 1984 to 87. My 2nd son was the 1st Canadian born in Germany (Lahr) on Jan1st 1986. I gave him the middle name "Amadeus"

@@polyus_studios Actually, it wasn't the compressor blades that were the speed limit on the 104, it was the fibreglass shrouds around the air intakes... they'd melt at speeds much above M2. There was a Canadian CF-104 that set altitude and speed records (still standing for Canadian aircraft) and it was modified to have stainless steel intakes (and a few other things). If you are making an update, I have a list of things that you should fix: - Baden Soelligen is pronounced "Baden SOLE ENG EN" but most everyone just called it Baden Baden after the big city. - Grostenquin is pronounced "Grow Ton (like Don) Quin" - Zweibruken is pronounced "Svzwhy Brook En" - At 15:32 you said 1962, but meant 1972 - As Mike Pearson said, they never planned for one way mission on the nuclear attack role... but they did recognize that it was unlikely that the base would be there on their return so had plans to land elsewhere if necessary... not to bail out. - The Canadian 104's used the Martin Baker ejection seats. The early German and US 104's used the Lockheed C1 seat which fired downwards. Most were retrofitted to C2 seats that fired upwards. - As you noted, 104 pilots never called it the Widow Maker and hated that name for it. They usually just called it the One Oh Four. Great video... you should also see if you can find some footage of the sound of the 104... it had a very distinctive Bull Moose roar that everyone who ever heard a 104 would never forget. There is a good KZfaq video of an old CF-104 being restored to flight in Norway that has this. Brings back great memories from my time in Baden Baden.

And the number he gave, 1,844 kph, should be Mach 1.7 at the altitudes the F104 reaches its max speed. In the last decade, suddenly people completely forgot that the speed of sound decreases at higher altitudes. Its a error the kept being repeated ad nauseam and some even get stubborn about it.

The era of the interceptor was not passing at that moment, MIG25 and F14 are all interceptors developed in the 70s.

Had it happened today, the Atco would have been suspended and demoted and the F-104 pilot would have been reprimanded "for using non standard phraseology on the frequency". Then, both the whole Air Traffic Control staff and the whole Squadron would go to a mandatory refreshing course full of BS and provided by a woman. Modern society stinks.

Great truth indeed of the real game. I've made a number of posts already on this video. I find I am running into former associates/running buddies. Even looking at your name, I believe you may have been one of our snr nco's in Baden. But I could be mistaken. Regards French/Anglo animosity; we all had our memories of foreign service personal at the Canex or trips down to Baden Oos and the French Base. Additionally, I made a post to a fella that was a kid in Marveille. Gave him the "scorched earth" version of that base closure, as passed down to us from our elder Chief's. Salute.

@@duartesimoes508 Provided by a woman lol so true and yes modern society blows

clueless@@duartesimoes508

I made my own post to this video. Do have a read as I was a tech in Baden during the 104's final era, including the final mass launch to Turkey. Wow, I had no idea there was one of teh Turkish planes back in Canada. Additionally of note for you on your post. In the weeks prior to the big fly off, the Turkish technicians were on base getting some basic familiarity training on our aircraft from us. Yet it was a real waste of time for hardly any of them spoke English. They were dressed as for parade, and by the 2nd or 3rd day they mostly all just hung out in the Canteen. But the beers did flow too, as all they wanted to do was share their Turkish cigarettes and smile.

mike pearson I DONT LIKE politicians at the best of times, especially now when they collude with the Libs to shutdown govt. while still punishing citizens with zero oversight new laws and legislation while "shut down". But I like retired politician Laurie Hawn (sp?)... while he still had held his riding's seat, & who I met and got to know some of his 104 RCAF service . His disciplined military service changed my mind about HIM specifically, not other politicians

You were likely one of the pilots that buzzed our school in Soest Germany (Fort Chambley) Scared the shit out of us....hahaha.

As much attention as the Arrow gets, I believe that the end of the Jetliner was a much bigger blow to Canadian aviation,

I've just found this video. Like yourself I was in Germany too. 84 to 87. I have been making posts on different threads I too had many memories flash back as I looked upon this video. I found it personally heartbreaking to see the 439 bird in it's Tiger scheme. The last I recall of this aircraft was seeing it out off the hardstands sitting in grassy button left to weather as an ABDR bird. It could have been a different tail number, but you know what I mean. Additionally your not kidding about the birdstrikes. All to frequent. Your's is a classic one for sure. I made my own birdstrike post in response to a fella's observation. Salute.

Dad was a 104 IP at Luke AFB in the 60's (with a year as a FAC in Vietnam). He absolutely loved the Zipper! When asked which was his favorite a/c, he said it was a toss up between the F-86 or the F-104. He loved the 86, because it was the l

P Scott. I was also in Cold Lake in 1981. It was a very impressive plane to see flying overhead.

@@polyus_studios It was a transition period. The CF-101, CF-5, CF-100 and CF-104's were being phased out and the CF-188 being phased in. Couple that with Maple Flag exercises every year bringing in aircraft from all over the world, it was tres cool.

Yes I have a photo somewhere of the first CF-18 with the first Canadian pilots flying with a McDonnell Douglas pilot. The McDonnell Douglas pilot was dressed an orange flight-suit and a gloss black helmet adorned with a gold visor like the Blue Angels!

​@@PaulScott_ Such memories. I have a photo inside the cockpit of the first one delivered to AETE. I probably was not supposed to do that, but I was in high school at the time and this was a huge thrill for me.

I just made a post. Do check it out. Additionally.....Chances are good we have stumbled across each other at some point in our histories; the "O"club in Borden or even "Shanks" I went through 10 FTTU in Spring 83. Maple flag was just getting going when I finished and went back to Shearwater. I took my F18 course in April 86. As your a Weapon Tech, you'll understand this one. During the exhausting Starfighter excercises we went through all cordoned up in our HAS's, a favorite sleeping place that some of us would fight over was the "Cluster Bomb" racks. It's canvas cover was like a hammock as it drooped between the bombs. But if a weapon tech ever showed up, there could be hell to pay. Cheers.

Did you work on the CF-104 INTERCEPTOR? If so, can you confirm its top speed? I heard MACK 1.5 or around 1400 miles/hour. We have one on the grounds of our legion in Innisfail 10 miles south of the now devimmisioned CFB PENHOLD. I'm asking because it doesn't look like it could take a speed like that without flying apart! David Weum Innisfail, Ab.

The U.S. version set several world speed and altitude records. Top speed depends on the height you are flying. At higher altitudes, you go faster in the thin air. Rarely did the Canadian CF-104 break the sound barrier. The"big wigs" frowned on it.

@@RockyAllenLane I just recieved a comment from a guy who worked on CF-104 INTERCEPTORS who said that in 1958 that jet flew mach 1.5 or 1400 miles/hour. We have one on displayed at our legion grounds in Innisfail, Alberta. (We have a long since decommissioned airforce base 10 miles north of here, CFB PENHOLD (where the CCP/PLA are currently training - I'm not making this up). The airstrip ran 12 miles. When they were digging into the ground to put in the fencing for the prison BOWDEN INSTITUTION, they had to pull up all the old airforce scrap. But, my main query was how that jet could handle that speed with what I thought was made out of metal a little thicker than tin foil. (I'm exaggerating of course, but it doesn't seem to be built for that speed). Maybe the brass didn't know about the mach 1.5 experiment in 1958.

Open up Wikipedia and type in Lockheed F-104 Starfighter. All you need to know is there ... click on Records.

@@polyus_studios I didn't know that's crazy!

Following the war, Canada had the fourth-largest air force in the world, after US, UK, and USSR. Sadly, not so now....

@@intercommerce ... and the 3rd navy.

Yep, the last one closed the same year I joined...

the first wave of the Normandy invasion had a huge group of Canadians (I read someplace a third of the manpower the other two thirds were Brits and US. however second, third waves and follow on were mostly US), in the 1950s Canada was third in aerospace. Even these days where they are still a relatively small population but I think they still maintain a very capable military.

Glad you enjoyed it!

John Snyder don't tell that to the other V wings

@John Snyder But it was capable of Mach 2 and would turn, the Arrow's death was political, the 104 only got one of those right. Had the RCAF got their s#!t together on a fire control system and missiles, it could have been a credible multi role aircraft, and also been the basis of a home grown aircraft industry in it's future generations.

It’s STILL *The best Jet in the world, 2x better than the F-35*

@John Snyder "All those high speed deltas went the way of the dodo bird." The F-102 and F-106 were in service for years, the 106 until 1988. As a high speed, high altitude interceptor (or tactical bomber as the German airforce was contemplating it) it was unmatched by anything in service even 30 years after its cancellation. Since the Voodoo's, originally rejected by the RCAF, were in service for rather more than 10 years, your comment is simply wrong.

It did help that they bribed them.

Therefore it must also be a testament to Canadian corruption.

Because designing, building, and testing a jet fighter costs hundreds of billions of dollars and decades of experience. Remember, it doesn't just need to fly properly when everything is working okay, it also needs to fly properly when the sky is full of bullets and the wings are shot full of holes. Also, now that the Cold War is over, the Canadian military isn't being subsidized by the United States anymore.

#murica that’s why.

@@polyus_studios Calgary Alberta Canada?? Home of the never ending construction that bridge on Crowchild Trail?? PS. Your videos are superb.

Wow, that is incredibly narrow-minded and hurtful way to dismiss the generations that served in these aircraft and do their best to remember their stories. Yes, we all feel the loss of the Arrow project but it has also achieved mythical status with many Canadians. We weren't the only country subjected to these sorts of pressure who also cancelled projects. Looking at the current state of most manufactures it was inevitable with 2-3 major companies producing 90% of the hardware. It is doubtful that even if produced the Arrow would have saved the industry (and this is coming from someone who loved the program and wishes it had continued).

are you old enough to have been around then . if so a dumb question if not ask someone older .

​@@alpearson9158hes got a point, just imagine where canadas aerospace industry would be right now if they finished the Arrow program, we screwed ourselves over and because of that we will always be under the heel of the usa thats just it canada is Reliant on the US theres no other way around it

Experienced pilots you mean - no post-mortem reviews considered.

So did South Africa and gave up on nuclear capabilities by Mandella.

Many NATO (non nuclear) nations were allocated US nuclear weapons, even Germany. The UK and France had (and still do) their own independent nuclear weapons.