Who is that and why is he speaking?

They are saying what they like and why but not really justifying why theirs is "better" I say that with no investment in 7mm PRC.

280 Rem 3006 brass

.264 Win Mag > Everything 😅

That's my choice. 2nd is 300 win.

7rem mag with a 160 Swift Aframe or Nosler partition Perfect for North America.!! Big game hunting

With the right loads and 26" barrel my 6.8 is just over 3000 fps with 165gr. hard to argue its capabilities. especially out of a short mag

Totally! If I load it hot as fuck and shoot it out of a 32” barrel I can almost touch the 7prc.

@@RepublicofTX Who cares?

@@gerry6.8 what a stupid question. Obviously you do, since you wrote how an already dead cartridge can almost match a 7prc. Well no shit an already close cartridge can be messed with to almost match or match the performance of that said other cartridge.

@@Lucysdad66no it can’t. You’re either compress or hitting pressure early. 270wsm and 7wsm are not meant to shoot heavies. That’s why they’re dying.

Idk if I would put a million dollars on the Elk part love the 243 but Elk is pretty big for for a 103 grain

I remember a bunch of kids like freshman and sophomore year in highschool killed elk with 243s.

The first guys rifle is not legal in ID where 14lbs is as heavy as a rifle can be.

@@josephpeterson7109 was that limit placed by the pack mule lobby? Why is the weight of the rifle even a consideration? I can see some MINIMUM diameter and muzzle energy restrictions, but not the weight of the tool.

I live here in Idaho it is a ridiculous rule probably set back in the 1950s to prevent people from using Artillery or tanks to kill game.

a 243 for most situations and creeds. 270 too and 7 rem mag overkill for whitetails.

⁠@@keithprinn720depends on the range, but yes at the ranges most of us are killing whitetails in the woods a good sharp stick is adequate. I like the 270 for open fields, not because the 243 won’t work I just like the extra penetration in case the shot isn’t a perfect broadside at longer ranges. Before someone comes in with the “but over penetration”, it’s not an issue if you have to worry about the bullet hitting what’s behind the deer you shouldn’t be pulling that trigger regardless of what cartridge your using. That’s a benefit of stand hunting, at an elevated position the earth is your backstop.

Yes sir!

I dont see it happening

It is a dead cartridge.

Lmao, good luck. Go ahead and write a eulogy for that cartridge.

dead in the water

The 300 WM is solid but the 7 PRC will out perform it at distance with higher BC bullets and less recoil.

Ha haaa ! I was thinking the same thing !

What projectiles are you using

Sierra tipped, 175 grain

Nosler

Custom barrel?

The 7 PRC would deliver some extra critical thump on some of the really big Australian game would it not? Sambar, wild bull etc.

A gassedup SAUM can pass the 280 when you get a longer mag I think but you're still using a worse feeding cartridge with 2 less in the mag. I say that as a very happy saum owner. It's such a naturally sweet cartridge, but I hunted on it for 2 years and I just don't have confidence in feeding when my nerves are up in the cold. But you're right, they punch above their weight. 168-180 class is devastating, and I've been dual loading with some low-friction coppers that are a strike from Zeus himself at 140g. It's still carrying 1800ftlbs/2500fps at 500.

@@jcarry5214now that’s cracken, love the 7 saum, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️

beautiful round

I have a 7 PRC 24" barrel getting 2870-ish with the factory ELD-X The 6.8Western is a more efficient cartridge just suffers from poor marketing

Marketing Marketing Marketing!!! It’s about Prophets.

What if 6.8 x 51 or .277 furry becomes cheaper and more popular due to the military buying it, and you can get really good performance out of a 16 or 18 inch barrel because of the 80,000psi, and can load high BC bullets. The M7 has a 13 inch barrel. Of course those are as rare as hens teeth, but military ammo often becomes popular. Obviously, if the military doesn't proceed with it, then I take it all back.

270 wsm, nosler. 3100fps.

Hornady changed their gunpowder to less quality recently but the numbers are there if you use Federals 7mm PRC

@matthewkramer6543 I have a video of getting 3113 FPS with a 225 ELD-M with Ramshot LRT. Go check it out! It's on my channel. N570 doesn't get you very fast velocity. As I said... I'm using the 200 gr Accubond for hunting. Even my Accubond load beats the 7mm PRC to 1000 yards. And that is with the extremely over inflated box velocity of 3000 FPS with the 7mm PRC. It would look much worse if we actually used real velocities achieved with factory ammo

I've seen the video of the drag race and know that barrel length and powder used are key to good velocity. And that reloadingweatherby knows what he is talking abot

300 rum ftw!

The gun does the job every time... I love it!

I'm currently working on a deal with a guy who wants to sell me his 7-08 so he can buy a 7PRC. I think I win. I'll also keep my 300 wm for elk. I don't know why people think moose die hard. They're much easier to kill than elk

7 mm08 for most practical hunting If 350 yard plus is the game I like my 6.5 x06 130/140 s matches 6.5 prc. Iam on my 4 th barrel 30 years 90 grain to 160. Elk black bears lots of deer. I built it for couse deer hunting and pronghorn in New Mexico 400 pretty typical 120 s 130 s did most the work there

My 7 mm08 built I did in 1:10 it likes 120 s a full load of varget and 120 Barnes ttsx hammers elk 325 been my longest 130 accubonds work also

Both rifles shoot .385 on average at 100. 4.86 at 1000 yards 6.5 x06 hands down w out shoot any .270 I’ve had 2 built 1

Worked on my Oregon antelope 2 years ago at 350 yards. Love my 270.

That’s a myth and inaccurate. The .277 bore diameter is not 7mm. In fact the .276 Pederson which was prior to that implied that Winchester knew it wasn’t a 7mm because they would have been .002-.003” off. The cartridge was designed with the bore of .270” in mind first and the bullet diameter of .277” after. Don’t lump the .270 in with the metric Eurotrash. It’s just not true.

Isn’t 270 Win a .277 diameter projectile and 7mm PRC .284?

I believe you are describing the .280 Remington.

@@hunterjohnson5635 .277 = 7mm, it's simply math!

"Long range" is current in style, so everybody is looking at drop at 800 yards and comparing cartridges, whilst the average hunter is still popping critters inside of 200 yards.

7x64... Designed in 1917 😂

​@@mysterioanonymous3206yes magnum length. And min for dangerous African hunts. Tuns of proven military experience.

Wish they were more produced.

*if you finde ammo

Yes -- the 280 Remington is slightly better than a 270 Win, which is saying something.

I built my dream rifle for elk with a .280 Remington cartridge.

I've got 36 rifles and the max long range 6.8 western is by FAR my most accurate. It's a true 3/8 MOA with the ballistic silvertips. Maybe I got a freaky well manufactured rifle, but it outperforms all my other rifles.

Agreed, but going forward if you had to buy one which would you? I would probably go with 7 PRC

Not unless availability goes up. I think it would take some time for the 7 PRC to be as available as the 7 Remington Magnum.

If you handload and want to use heavier, longer, higher BC bullets without powder compression and case neck donutting then you want the 7mm PRC

@@lanceroberthough1275 Well I’m fairly happy with the 175 Nosler ABLR and their BC. I just don’t see that much more improvement. But if you don’t have a 7RM and you don’t have a budget, hey go for it!

I think this is what most people are missing. They look at exit velocity and groups at a 100 or 200 yds. They’re boomers or fudds and don’t understand how the heavier better bc bullets are better. I have a good shooting 243 but 1:10 holds it back. Can I justify buying a 6 creed just to go up weight? Up to each person. If shooting at 300 yards is your goal, buy the old crap you can’t shoot the new bullets out of.

All you need is become a reloader. 30-06 Brass everywhere, new and once fired. I got an old 1917 US Enfield I want to re-Barrel to 35 Whelen. And want a 7MM for Grandson. My old Brass perfect for 280AI👍Reloading is very affordable. If you keep it simple. You can always shoot 280/7mm Rem Express in it if available, in the 280AI

Heck yeah. Out of curiosity, what monos are you using? Have used CX/GMX and Barnes, but heard great things about hammer, badlands, etc

Have used LRX, CX and E-tip...with game harvested with each. I have a box of Bad lands bulldozer 2's on the bench right now for a work up. Will also work up the 151 Cayuga from Patriot Valley Arms when I have a chance. I have been pretty happy with the LRX but the 140 BD2 has a BC of .56 so I am stoked for the weather to change so I can play with it. At 3100 it will carry 1500 ft/lbs to 600 yards which may mean no more packing the 300 win mag which is a full 1.5 lbs heavier than my Ackley.

@@TimothyPreston-ei7bo Great, thanks! Shooting 7RM now, but will rebarrel to 18" 7SAUM (like 80% of the guys out west these days...) after. FYI have seen very credible reports of guys doing 3200-3300 fps in 22" 280AI with the Hammer Absolute series. True game changer of a bullet since they don't engrave Ogive. Still not great BCs, but like you I won't shoot past 600 anyway, so 200-300+ "free" fps gets you there just fine. Between the Badlands and that one for me

I worked up the BD2 this week, it was a super easy bullet to work with, landed at 3149 running Ramshot Hunter, over LRM primer and Nosler brass. Shot a 2 shot .2 moa, waited 24 hours and shot 2 more shots on a cold barrel at the same target and ended up with a 4 shot .62. For hunting guns I only care about cold barrel accuracy so I shoot 2 shot strings. Similar temps both days and es was a stellar 6fps. Can't wait to stretch it out and verify drops!

I’m getting right at 3,000 fps out of my 24” barrel with the Hornady load. I’m also running a 8” suppressor on it too though. Idk if that helps or not, some people say it does, others say it doesn’t.

@@ryanglass3570if you’ve purchased a hunting license. You’re already likely on a list. No reason to miss out on the benefits and joys of owning suppressors.

I have the 6.8 Western. It’s an amazing cartridge. Very accurate, and it hits hard. It truly is a perfect hunting cartridge. I have ordered my ammo through Choice Ammunition and Pendleton Ammunition. Both are excellent quality and are hand loaded for best results. Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, Sierra, and Berger projectiles are loaded between these two ammo companies. Nosler, Berger, Sierra, and Barnes are true High BC, heavy for caliber .277 caliber bullets for the 6.8 Western. The Nosler is the ELD-X 150 grain that I’m sure was for the 270 WSM offering. I’ve had good results with the ELD-X out of my 6.5 PRC, but I’ve never used them in the 6.8 Western. Booster refuses to support anything that involves the 6.8 Western. Competition I’m guessing.

30-06 is still great!

Damn right, most of these PRC cartridges will go away in 10 years. Took me 3 months to find 270 WSM. Ammo and I took what is probably the last big stock of 338 RCM brass off the hands of Gunwerks.

I agree, I can remember all of those WSM and WSSM cartridges being the cat's meow, now you don't hear of them. Is there something wrong with the old reliable cases like .270, 30-06 and a 7mm RemMag?

@Intimidator82 It’s such a silly way to phrase it asking “is there something wrong with the old cartridges”, why does there have to be something wrong with something to want to make small improvements to it? Do you say that about other things? “They made a new 2024 Chevy Silverado with new features, geez wtf was wrong with the previous years truck?”

Yes, I use 30-06, federal 130s varmint round opens them up real good at 200. I know a old gal who shot a 220lb whitetail @ almost 500 yds, with a old browning 30-06, many years ago 40 plus,,,😅also my stepfather always got his deer w/06 200yds with accelerators, wish we could still get those think they were 22 cal? maybe 24 cal..

Yes very limited for factory stuff, could be a hand loaders dream....if you could find brass!

I think 6.8 western has so much potential if some of these bigger companies would get on board with it Hornady - nosler ect.

Sadly I've been having to buy that copper extreme stuff and just unloading it and reloading with quality BC bullets.

@@kevinbouldin3107been there done that. I’ve got 100 of those just sitting in a box on my shelf after pulling them. Worked up a load with the reclaimed powder that push the 175s just a bit faster than the factory 175 loads.

@@kevinbouldin3107how many firing are you getting from your brass?

It works!

What barrel length do you have?

I’m pretty sure mine is 22”

😂 Yeah I mean here where I am in Europe we've been using the 7x64 forever... It's literally a better 280rem, almost 7remmag/280ai level for hand loaders, with less kick. Designed in 1917. Also, may I remind everyone of the 7x57 Mauser (7mm08).

Yes design for acracy and precision target. Slightly better than creedmoor for hunting.

Calm down, grandpa

I'm with you Doug. Had my Rem Mag rebarreled for the heavy bullets, and I'm 100 fps ahead of the PRC. Having said that, it is hard to argue with a 140-170 grain bullet with a high BC cruising at speed in a conventional Rem Mag. Love it! Let the haters hate.

So many people have jumped on the bandwagon about the belted magnums. How they are obsolete and not needed. Maybe some truth in that. But you can’t argue the fact that they still work well. Cheers

…and bullet selection

As you should 👍it’s a terrific cartridge.

Tikka 7PRC?

@@timjude Yes, Tikka T3x 7PRC

@derekmcmurry thanks. It's custom made I assume.

@@timjude Yes. Tikka does not chamber rifles in 7PRC, yet anyway. I bought a new Tikka T3x Lite stainless 300WM on sale. Then purchased a prefit Proof 24" 7PRC barrel, a Stocky's stock at year end clearance, a lighter trigger spring. Stocky's told me I should shoot the completed rifle first and if it shoots well, likely don't have to bed it. Only work needed by a rifle builder initially was to remove factory barrel and spin on the Proof. If I had a barrel vice I could have switched barrels. Shoots as well as any other rifle I've had built but I did end up paying $150 to get it bedded to see if it would improve at all and I cannot tell any difference.

@derekmcmurry thank you for that fantastic info. I might do similar. Are you happy with the 7PRC paired to the Tikka action?

My 7prc with a break kicks half of what my 270wsm does and the ammo is almost half the price at $50 box for eldx. The 270 is a good back up tho lol My prc groups under a moa at 200 yards.

​@@sapperROSS why not put a brake on your 270 WSM?

Canadian owning guns…. *laughs in second amendment*

@williamgaines9784 7prc is a better round and I wanted a new rifle

@@sapperROSS was not suggesting you not have the new rifle and cartridge, just asking why you wouldn't modify your now "backup" to get that same shoulder softness.

You definitely need 280AI

7x64.... Designed 1917. Does all that and then some. Very common here where I am in Europe.

I did a fair amount of research, comparing various cartridges. The 7mm PRC really seems like the “Goldilocks” of all of Hornady’s recent creations. I am planning out an ultimate bolt action build and was sold on 7mm PRC… until I realized it needs Large Rifle MAGNUM Primers. BHO taught me to lay in a long-term supply of key components, but I never had a need for LRM primers. I don’t have any and can’t find any.

@@chipsterb4946 I wouldn't hold your breath for them either - We put in an order for them over 2 years ago and when it finally arrived we got a full 3 boxes - a small fraction of the order we placed. I'm sure you can understand that all 3 went to staff and never saw the sales floor.

@@foonus406 thanks - that confirms my concerns.

Hornady does not make primers. I have two boxes of 7PRC Match ammo with two different primers. One is a silver primer (CCI) and the other is brass (Federal/Remington/Winchester).

@samwindisch5596 when you look at the explosion they had recently it was reported to have originated in the primer manufacturing division of the building.. that said I'm sure it's possible they use other manufacturers as well - or that different batches or factories crank out primers of a different color. I have also seen both colors from hornady box ammo.

Gun-tubers are always digging for likes pushing the "New Hotness"... Anyone remember ".30 Carry"??? lol. Some efficient and very effective cartridges have been around for 7 or 8 decades and will easily put meat in the pot. A few are still here after over 100 years (.30-06 118 years, .30-30 129 years, 6.5x55 Swedish [The Original 6.5] 130 years , .45-70 is 151 years old) and you're not going to be able to tell me they don't kill game well. Bowhunters still regularly drop big game with energy levels below 100 ft.lbs Magnumitis and "appendage" measuring fuel a lot of the need for field artillery to hunt, as well as the relatively new desire to shoot game at the absolute furthest distance away, instead of Hunting your quarry by getting close. I don't even think you need camo if you're going to Snipe an animal from 7 or 800 yards with a 7mm or 30 cal long-range anti-personnel cartridge. I hunt with a 7x57 Ruger No.1 (bush), a .30-06 SAKO bolt-gun, (open and hilly terrain), a lever .45-70 (Black Bear, )and for the bigger baddie bears or biggest moose, a 9.3x62 Ruger No.1... My F-Class World Championship Medal winning rifle is a 7mm Rem Mag, 28 inch Lilja pushing 180 Berger VLD out at just under 3000fps with a solid load of H-1000 and I knew it was a good idea 20 years ago.... I have a 300 Win No.1 for an upcoming Mountain Dall/Goat/ Bighorn hunt that will do absolutely fine. New shiny stuff is nice, but it's mostly just reinventing the wheel, or adding more zippy whiz-bang to make up for lesser wind-reading and ranging skills...

@@scottcrawford3745 indeed do a lot of bow hunting but have relied on a 300 win for our west hunting and when we’re in Montana had a fella tell me that 300 win is out of date and that 300 prc is so much more with the times. I asked him how many rounds he had on his person. He said 8 and that he was waiting on more bullets so he could make more. I said well that gas station just sold me 40 rounds so best of luck. Now obviously I don’t need 40 rounds to hunt with but while we were out there and could sling lead more than my 300 yards like my home range we did some far target shooting. It was nice being able to just run in anywhere and grab more ammo. Also to note most everyone else out there we met told me 300 win was too much for mule deer but it they stop when I hit em that’s all I can ask for.

@@alfradoify Totally agree with you, there. The big 5 cartridges of hunting: 270 Win, .308, .30-06, 7MM Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag. You can buy it anywhere. Super easy to reload. Data everywhere. Dozens of powders work in them. Every company makes dies for them. All proven over decades of use all over the globe. .300 Win has won The Wimbledon, multiple times. Many Countries, Departments and Organizations chose it for their "heavier" precision rifle calibre. It just works. It was designed as the "standard/long action improvement for the full-length .300 H&H Magnum in 1963. At reasonable hunting distances and a little beyond, it's still an absolute hammer. With the right bullet choices, and careful handloading, you can load it down for whitetail, or up for big bears. No game animal in North America is going to notice the difference between a .300 Win designed 61 years ago, and their "flavour of the month/ here today and gone tomorrow" "New" .30 cal magnum. Carry on, Sir. You're in good company.

I’m getting 3,000 fps out of them. Most people I ask don’t even run the same barrel length that they tested them in. They run 20” to 22” and say, idk why mine is slower? I run a 24” barrel with a 8” suppressor, reaching the 3,000 fps mark consistently.

@republicofTX so you’re saying we need 32 inches of barrel to actually get the advertised velocity?

@@RepublicofTX Yet I’ve seen video after video proving otherwise. The average velocity of the 7 PRC out of a 24” barrel has been 2,840. Even Backfire released a video a couple weeks ago showing the “real world” velocities out of the 7 PRC. LoadingWeatherby (I think that’s his channel name) has just come out with a video also comparing the 6.8W and the 7 PRC. The Western was out performing the PRC with factory ammo. The fact is, both cartridges are fantastic and are practically neck and neck. There’s no need to crap on another cartridge because it’s not the one you own. It’s like someone shooting the 30-06 trying to trash talk the .308 just because theirs holds a little more powder. So what? A dead elk is a dead elk!!!!

@@robertjimenez1611 are you saying suppressors increase velocity?

@@jimedick9496 Where at in my statement did I trash the 6.8? I was trolling some other guys in another comment either on this video or another one, but I was just fu€kin with them, which they caught onto pretty quickly. The reason I got advertised velocities is because I bought a bunch of 7prc when it first came out, which had the right powder to achieve the 3,000 fps. Now we’re learning Hornady can’t get that powder anymore, which explains why it slowed down.

After lots of asking the opinions of old elk hunters here in the Rocky Mountains and comparing drop, drift, energy, etc. I have decided against the PRCs for a 270 Winchester for my first big game hunting rifle. 280 AI is cool but 270win is cheap.

I live out west, and I’ve taken elk, black bears, mulies, and whitetails with my .270 and .280 AI. They work great. With the AI, you can get similar ballistics with a 160 gr bullet compared to the 7 PRC’s factory load with the same Hornady CX 160 gr bullet.

.270 was my first big game rifle from my father, it’s taken eastern moose, deer, and black bear for me, fantastic cartridge

I have a 270 and 280AI. I don't think a 7PRC is better than either.

I use 280ai. It started as 270, but once I burnt out the barrel I swapped the 280ai on it. Live in pacific northwest hunt Roosevelt and rocky mt elk, deer black and whitetail as well as muel deer. Reloader 26 is amazing

same. my dad bought a parker-hale 7mm rem mag on july 7, 1967, the day i was born. it became mine when i was old enough to shoot. every big game animal that i have shot, in all these years, has been with that gun.

If it isn’t broke don’t fix it.👍

@@lz3572 amen.