BACKING FROM THE PRESIDENT! How Ligier Used Friends in High Places

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Aidan Millward

Aidan Millward

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A re-imagining of a previous video, this one looks at how Ligier took things beyond using the politics of the sport to survive as long as it did. Having friends in high places that can ensure you get lots of money from state-owned companies is something that a lot of teams could have done, but only one really did. Unless you count people like Maldonado and Haryanto that had their governments behind them.
How the Ligier team used the actual President of France to survive.
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@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Liger did get points in that barren spell at the end of the 80s. Just pretend it says “many” rather than “any” and that gets you through it. Oh, and Beltoise won Monaco in like 72 or something. (autocorrect keeps putting Blastoise which is epic) This pinned comment won’t stop people mention it, you watch 🤣
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
Sorry :X
@eamonahern7495
@eamonahern7495 4 ай бұрын
Imagine if you elected your monarch rather than them inheriting the position. The parliamentary elections take place as normal and there's a separate election for head of state. That's how it works in Ireland's president, so I'd imagine it must be similar in France judging by what you were trying to explain without properly understanding it.
@nehylen5738
@nehylen5738 4 ай бұрын
​@@eamonahern7495. Your explanation goes in the right direction, but our system is even worse than that: the French president actually has a few strong legal powers (may dissolve French "house of commons", military leader...) and is the leader of his political formation, not the prime minister. Result: you have a semi-absolute monarch, plus a government & parliament of yes-men and idolizers. Politics would function properly when the majority party in parliament was different from the president's party, except a constitutional revision made that virtually impossible in 2000.
@eamonahern7495
@eamonahern7495 4 ай бұрын
@@nehylen5738 Oh I see. Our President doesn't have that kind of power.
@AntoniusTyas
@AntoniusTyas 4 ай бұрын
If Ligier used JEAN-PIERRE BLASTOISE instead they would have dominated the season fr
@GuzziHeroV50
@GuzziHeroV50 4 ай бұрын
The fact that Ligier wasn't more successful with all the buddies he had is shocking. He had it laid out for him in a way that no team other than Ferrari can boast.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
It’s like trying to cheat at monopoly and still losing.
@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303
@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 4 ай бұрын
Mostly a matter of being based in France. Especially as the sport evolved, the engineering talent was in Italy or the UK
@Durbanite2010
@Durbanite2010 4 ай бұрын
This was my immediate thought too - he had SO MUCH backing through the 1980s. The JS19 of 1982 was the start of the downturn - it was a ground-effect car like most of the rest of the grid, but the FIA outlawed the use of the skirts behind the centreline of the rear-wheel, which nerfed the car's handling. Laffite had also done very well in the JS17 and 17B cars (designed by Doucarouge, who was fired in 1981), while the JS19 (designed by newly retired race-winning driver Jean-Pierre Jabouille and Michel Beaujon) was not nearly as competitive a car as its predecessor. By 1983 with the JS21, they had lost both of their major 1982 drivers in Cheever and Laffite and now had Jarier and the then-rookie Boesel and the turbocharged cars dominated the championship. Rosberg was the top-scoring non-turbo driver (25 of his 27 points came with the DFV-powered FW08C) and finished 5th in the Championship after winning it the previous year. The 1984 JS23 had the Renault V6 turbo engine being used by Lotus, but they had Hesnault (very inexperienced) and the quick-but-erratic de Cesaris. who scored points in 2 races, finished outside the points in 3 others and DNF'd 9 times. Hesnault finished 5 times, all outside the points. Michelin, their tyre provider, also left the sport at the end of the season. 1985 saw the JS25 with the returning Laffite partnering de Cesaris, who was fired before the end of the season (the famous "I can no longer afford to employ this man" quote), replaced him with Phillipe Streiff, the two managed to get 2nd and 3rd at the final race to put a gloss on the season but Streiff collided with Laffite in the process and nearly cost the team those points. 1986 saw the JS27 with Arnoux and the 42-year-old Laffite (oldest driver on the grid at the time) initially driving until Laffite's career was ended in a double-leg-breaking crash at Brands Hatch - this event saw the FIA making it mandatory that the drivers' feet be placed behind the front axle of the car. The car suffered during the 2nd part of the 1986 season due to a lack of development - the first 10 races of the season saw the team score 28 points, the last 6 races saw Alliot scoring just 1 point. Laffite ended up taking 6 of Ligier's 9 wins (the other race winners were Depailler, Pironi and Panis).
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 Oh there was plenty of talent in France that he squandered. He was an incredible asshole and would hurl abuse (sometimes in the literal sense) if things weren't going right for the team.
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
@@Durbanite2010 My controversial opinion is that the JS21 isn't nearly as bad as it's results suggested. If it had a turbo engine it would have been able to challenge for podiums if not wins. Ligier did consider the Honda but passed on it (bad move IMO.)
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 ай бұрын
I think Larrousse was asked about Ligier in certain interviews at the turn of the 90s and you'd get a weary, fed up "Listen" at the start of any question that would infer a Ligier/Larrousse rivalry.
@decb
@decb 4 ай бұрын
The Matra team that won the 1969 title was only a quasi-works team, Matra having folded the works team after Stewart scored 36 of Matra's 45 points in 1968 in the quasi-works entry. Panis remains the last French driver to win a Grand Prix in a French-built car.
@ibex485
@ibex485 4 ай бұрын
Matra chose not to enter their own Matra Sports team for the 1969 F1 season (apart from a single race). Ken Tyrrell's team entered as Matra International was their sole focus that year. It ran a Ford -Cosworth DFV engine rather than Matra's V12. Ken Tyrrell had been a Matra customer for a few years in F2. He and Matra had entered odd F1 races with an F2 car. In 1968 both entered F1 properly. Tyrrell team entered as Matra International (rather than Tyrrell), alongside Matra's own Matra Sport team (both only ran a single car for most of the season). Matra Sport began the season with last year's F2 car with a Ford 4-cylinder engine of only 1.6L. Tyrrell had a modified version with the Ford DFV. At the second race Matra Sport debuted the new chassis (designed for the DFV) which Tyrrell would use for the rest of the season. (Tyrrell did not enter this race.) At the third race Matra Sport debuted another new car, this time powered by their new V12 engine. (This was registered as a different constructor for the constructors title - just Matra.) Alas it was somewhat unreliable (likely a factor in Matra's decision to not enter with their V12 for 1969). But Matra didn't give up on the V12 and came back with it in 1970. They asked Tyrrell to use it also, but Tyrrell were heavily reliant on Ford sponsorship. So they parted ways with Matra and constructed their own chassis.
@Le_equitabliste
@Le_equitabliste 4 ай бұрын
Didnt ocon win in a french car(alpine)
@ibex485
@ibex485 4 ай бұрын
The Alpine team based the UK in Oxfordshire, it's the old Toleman/Benetton/21st century Renault team. Renault won 2 drivers/constructors doubles in 2005 & 2006, but the chassis was designed and constructed in the UK.
@y_fam_goeglyd
@y_fam_goeglyd 4 ай бұрын
​@@Le_equitabliste You could say it was a French owned (though with global sponsorship, that might be dubious. I honestly couldn't comment on that), or a French registered car. I think that might be accurate but I do stand to be corrected.
@yudhabagaskara98
@yudhabagaskara98 4 ай бұрын
​@@Le_equitablistealpine is only french in branding and engine. The rest is built in the uk
@KR1736
@KR1736 4 ай бұрын
I feel like every midfield F1 team went through Walkinshaw & Flavio at some point
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 ай бұрын
So many fingers in so many pies.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
And none of them are left.
@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303
@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 4 ай бұрын
​@@AidanMillward arguably Benetton is still here, through team enstone
@MillionaireWizard
@MillionaireWizard 4 ай бұрын
I honestly find it a miracle that Ligier managed to survive into 1995, due to the Loi Evin(Which forbade revenue from alcohol and nicotine sponsorships) causing both AGS(1991) and Larrousse(1994) to kick the bucket. This might be a possible video idea, but have you thought about doing Larrousse's failed bid into 1995, which would have included the DAMS GD-01 that DAMS were trying to enter for the 1995 F1 season?
@ivaneurope
@ivaneurope 4 ай бұрын
Apparently, the Larrousse team was also trying to bring a relatively unknown petrol company from Malaysia at the time, called Petronas, into F1. And Petronas did enter F1 - with the Sauber team, which lasted through 2009. After that, they went on to sponsor the Mercedes team and the rest is history.
@totalcfh
@totalcfh 4 ай бұрын
I really like these bits of f1 history. Thank you!
@ibex485
@ibex485 4 ай бұрын
The irony is Panis' famous win came about because of a Renault engine (in another car) and the exuberant driving of the other Frenchman in that race. Poor Damon, he didn't put a foot wrong all race and winning at Monaco would have fulfilled his destiny almost as much as becoming world champion. The Renault engines of that time were super-reliable and seeing one fail at low-stress Monaco was a shock. Alesi going out was less of a surprise, it was Jean after all. But these things happen in sport, and Panis had also driven really well that day to come from a lowly start position to running 3rd in a position to capitalise on others misfortune.
@thehwguy4293
@thehwguy4293 4 ай бұрын
Man, Renault and reliability, what happened?
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 4 ай бұрын
Warwick and Tambay could answer that!!
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 4 ай бұрын
Warwick and Tambay could answer that!! Virtually every race of the 1984 F1 season saw them retire after being in a good position, to get at least a place on the podium. Both drivers suffered awful reliability with Renault.
@crystalracing4794
@crystalracing4794 16 күн бұрын
The high number of gear changes around Monaco arguably stressed engines
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
WRT the 1987-1991 period. Ligier did score points in 1987 and 1989 (2 in the former, 3 in the latter). The 1988 car was so bad Arnoux said that he and Johansson used to joke that Isaac Newton was the car’s other uncredited designer because gravity was the only thing keeping it on the ground. The fallout from the Larrousse-Ligier debacle continued into 1991 - not only did they pressure to get Larrousse DQ’d they also got their Lamborghini V12s in 1991 too. Larrousse had to switch back to DFR V8s for that season. Funnily enough though, Suzuki and Bernard scored points in their LC91s, the JS35 never scored any. The LC91 was hampered by losing it’s V12.
@periklaskyriakidis6064
@periklaskyriakidis6064 4 ай бұрын
The Newton joke 😂😂😂😂😂
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
@@periklaskyriakidis6064 Arnoux also blew the engine deal with Alfa because he compared the engine to dog food or used food.
@BlueSkyBS
@BlueSkyBS 4 ай бұрын
Kinda skipped over the whole Talbot mess of 81-82 which saw Ligier fall apart in 83, but that would fit an entire video by itself and there is only so much time and sanity to work with the history of a team like Ligier.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Yeah this is more to do with Guy being bezzies with Mitterrand than anything else.
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 ай бұрын
Yeah Ligier is great for how team-politics or intra-team politics can be a messy business. Especially when Guy destroys the team base because he wants them to do things another way in order to win in 1979 after their great start.
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
The sliding skirt directive also fucked over the JS19 - it’s rear end was required to be sealed.
@SteffenT1981
@SteffenT1981 4 ай бұрын
There is a saying here: Connections are only bad for those who don't have them. I also read once that the way the prequalifying was installed in 1989, was done in such a way that both Ligiers would not be affected despite a horrible 1988 season. By the way: You missed Beltoise as a french winner in the 1972 Monaco Grand Prix.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Ah son of a bitch I went through everything this time.
@SteffenT1981
@SteffenT1981 4 ай бұрын
@@AidanMillward 😅 Sorry, I have a modellkit of that car in the making, so I noticed it immediatly.
@whiteknob7944
@whiteknob7944 4 ай бұрын
Even 5 years ago Aidan had great audio and finally he gets just a little money he can afford some pictures. Thank you Aidan, I for one appreciate it.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Audio is the easy bit. It’s the visuals that can be hard work.
@mplsmike4023
@mplsmike4023 4 ай бұрын
Interesting corner of F1 history that was new to me. I knew about Ligier as a team but had no idea how twisted and folded Guy’s experience in the sport was!
@DBIVUK
@DBIVUK 4 ай бұрын
Great video; two minor points to clear up. Mitterand was term-limited and did not stand in the 1995 election, not that it would have made much difference as he had terminal cancer and died the next year. And the 'g' in Beregovoy has a hard pronunciation - a bit like 'Berryg-oh-vwah'.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Mitterrand wasn’t term limited as the constitution wasn’t ratified to impose two term limits until 2008.
@parrotantics2046
@parrotantics2046 4 ай бұрын
Been looking for the remastered version of this story. Great job and best wishes for new Yorkshire, mate!
@turnercraig9953
@turnercraig9953 4 ай бұрын
Great video as always 😊
@OnionChoppingNinja
@OnionChoppingNinja 4 ай бұрын
So glad you redo the Ligier video. That video was my first introduction to your channel
@benoitracine1700
@benoitracine1700 4 ай бұрын
Hello aidan , wish you a good year, and thanks for all of your segment, really enjoyed them, sugestion may be? Anything on eddy irvine, it ould be fun comming from you
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
Ligier also made a unsuccessful Indycar in 1984 - essentially a Ground Effect modified version of their 1983 JS21.
@ivaneurope
@ivaneurope 4 ай бұрын
The reason why Briatore and Walkinshaw were eyeing Ligier is simple - the Renault V10 the team was using. And what a coinkydink when Benetton got the same Renault V10 engines as the Williams team (Renault's main team since 1989) to replace the inferior Ford Cosworth V8 used in the highly controversial B194 for the B195 which propelled Michael Schumacher to his second title. By buying Ligier, Briatore and Walkinshaw also screwed over the Minardi team in the process. Minardi was going to use Mugen Honda V10 engines for 1995 after Lotus went bust after the conclusion of the 1994 season. However after Briatore convinced the Japanese to supply Ligier instead (and Aguri Suzuki was shoehorned to share the 2nd car with Martin Brundle), Minardi...were...pissed and had to modify the M195 (alegedly designed around the Mugen's MF-301H) to accomodate the inferior Ford ED engine (Sauber was using the top of the line ECA-Zetec, while it was the variations of the ED for everyone else like Simtek, Pacific and Forti). And Giancarlo Minardi threatened to take legal action as a result. Briatore's response - where's my money? Yeah, apparently Minardi were owing money to Briatore and Walkinshaw for the Ford engines used in 1993 and 94. Things were so heated up that Briatore ordered that Minardi's equipment to be seized at the French GP in 1995. Eventually, everything was settled out with Briatore paying $1M to Minardi
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
This is a video in itself if I can find more details
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 ай бұрын
Yeah there were discussions on BBC between Murray Walker and Jonathan Palmer about Briatore's acquisition of Ligier and how this meant that Benetton would seemingly have access to Ligier's Renault engines and Jonathan Palmer accosted Ligier for doing a bad job with the Renault engine when they only had to look at the Williams team and then say that with the help of Briatore and Walkinshaw, things would be done differently. Also Aguri Suzuki had thought that he had a contract for the whole year of 1995 such was the driver merry-go-round at Ligier in 1994. When he learnt that he was to share second driver duties with Martin Brundle, Suzuki was outraged and thought hard about what he should do but reluctantly accepted his role as second driver for 5GP that were the deemed the fly-away races. Meanwhile Brundle began his commentary duties on both BBC and Eurosport. You can hear the Argentinian GP on Eurosport where the tandem of Ben Edwards, John Watson and Brundle do the commentary. The amount of machinations going on at the time is fascinating. It's why today's F1 is too tame. Too PR friendly, not enough bastards!
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
Briatore lied to both Brundle and Suzuki.
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 ай бұрын
@@palm92 It's Briatore so it doesn't surprise me - the guy was an absolute tosser. He may have been in charge for Team Enstone's glory years but he was despicable even before we take Crashgate into consideration.
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
@@heliumtrophy I agree I’m just surprised as to how brazen it was.
@ES90344
@ES90344 4 ай бұрын
14:50 TLDR of American elections: Mayors run towns/cities, Governors run the individual state. Each State has their own state senate(like parliament on a regional level I guess), then each state elects representatives to represent the people of each state in Washington DC. Each state holds their own elections based on their laws and term lengths. You can think of it like the EU, we're a collection of small countries under central governing body.
@joemueller-zt9hn
@joemueller-zt9hn 4 ай бұрын
I do miss those old videos
@pgale
@pgale 4 ай бұрын
Thx very interesting
@BobGeogeo
@BobGeogeo 4 ай бұрын
Mid '60s French rally driver in white Mustang may have been Ligier in reality but it was also an element of the film A Man and a Woman, an Oscar winner.
@briankearn6991
@briankearn6991 4 ай бұрын
Great movie! There was a scene testing the GT 40.
@AntoniusTyas
@AntoniusTyas 4 ай бұрын
Since you've done the revamped Ligier story, I'd like to see the revamp of Larrousse story. Interesting how Larrousse managed to have tie-ups with Lamborghini
@jonathanjenkins583
@jonathanjenkins583 4 ай бұрын
Am I the only person who would like the rock music to come back just for the exit theme
@georgedheard
@georgedheard 4 ай бұрын
I would say this is better than the original video, or how I rememeber the original video anyway
@hendriegrimberg5016
@hendriegrimberg5016 4 ай бұрын
I love the sidepods of one ligier car
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 4 ай бұрын
Ah Ligier. One of the biggest underachievers in F1 history. When you think how much backing they had, and were basically the French national F1 team in all but name at one point.
@rosumin38
@rosumin38 4 ай бұрын
If the song "With a Little Help From My Friends" was a race team.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Ringo got by with the help tho.
@Rhubba
@Rhubba 4 ай бұрын
You missed out Jean-Pierre Beltoise winning the 1972 Monaco GP as the other French driver to win pre-Laffite.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
This has been pointed out.
@upthebracket26
@upthebracket26 4 ай бұрын
one of the great 'what ifs' - what if Gérard Ducarouge hadn't written the setup instruction on the back of a pack of Gitanes....
@periklaskyriakidis6064
@periklaskyriakidis6064 4 ай бұрын
Wait, Jean-Pierre Beltoise had also scored a win in 72 Monaco GP. And Matra won 3 years straight at Le Mans, from 72 to 74
@attilatabanyi3275
@attilatabanyi3275 4 ай бұрын
It was also funny how Briatore got Ligier's Renault deal off to Benetton for 1995
@theMercury7
@theMercury7 4 ай бұрын
Please, can you do a video about the 1954 full body Mercedes F1 cars? How was it legal?
@williamford9564
@williamford9564 4 ай бұрын
7:01: The 1979 and 1980 seasons were not all roses and gold.In 1979 the team dominated the first two races, locking out the front row in both and winning both races and going 1-2 in Brazil. By Monaco they had fallen behind Ferrari and Williams and then DePailler had a hang gliding accident, knocking him out of racing. His replacement Jackie Ickx was a disaster. Lafitte's car had reliability issues at year end. Depailler left in 1980 to go to Alfa Romeo and the team signed Didier Pironi. The team did finish 2nd in the championship, but it was way behind #1 Williams ( 120 points to 66). It was more a case of the faster turbocharged Renaults going through first year teething problems ( win or break) and third place Brabham placing pay drivers in the second seat alongside Nelson Piquet who by himself scored only 12 fewer points than Lafitte and Pironi. The team chemistry was also toxic at year end with Pironi clashing with Guy Ligier.
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
The 79-80 cars were legitimately fast - but had issues (especially the 80 car) with generating so much downforce it would fatigue the car's wheels and suspension. Remember they had a bunch of really weird tire and suspension failures in 1980.
@TheShadow9380
@TheShadow9380 4 ай бұрын
I like your cap hat. Go Blue Jays!
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
You won’t like the other one I wear then. Bruins 🐻
@palm92
@palm92 4 ай бұрын
The JS11 and JS11/15 were worthy of the WCC and WDC - if not for a few things not going their way they could have taken it IMO. The cars actually were producing so much downforce by 1980 they started having bizzare suspension/tire failures from the wishbones and even wheels themselves fatiguing. If you look very closely, you’ll notice that many teams from 1980-1985 actually switched back to 3 piece wheels with magnesium faces and aluminum barrels, that were riveted together, such was the forces they faced. The JS17 had an outside chance at the WDC in 1981. What did Ligier in in 1982 and beyond was that they lost the planned Matra V6 Twin Turbo that never made it to a race, which is why they initially considered the Honda V6 for 1983 before passing on it due to reliability concerns. Bad choice in Hindsight.
@JD_Racer97
@JD_Racer97 4 ай бұрын
Since you've been on a kick of re-doing your old videos that have been taken down... Maybe just maybe, a Greg Moore...
@PimpinBassie2
@PimpinBassie2 4 ай бұрын
Monaco 1996
@two6520
@two6520 4 ай бұрын
What a name for a guy Toto.
@minibus9
@minibus9 4 ай бұрын
exclent video, just shows how poltics in sports is nothing new, despite the fact that so many seem to think that it is
@FormulaMonte
@FormulaMonte 4 ай бұрын
Humbly requesting a Gil De Ferran video 🙏
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 ай бұрын
Yeah but I think it's best to give that a bit of time because you know there will be a certain fanbase that will say that he's profiting from a driver that's just passed away. In a month or two would be best.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Still haven’t done Moss tbf.
@DiogeneDeSin0pe
@DiogeneDeSin0pe 4 ай бұрын
I let the Bloomsupply add run for you.
@Trek001
@Trek001 4 ай бұрын
"Liger didn't score any points between 1987 and 1981" One presumes, Aidan, thats due to going _backwards_ through time
@AndrewGeierMelons
@AndrewGeierMelons 4 ай бұрын
4.2k until Moreno?
@samuel_boivin
@samuel_boivin 4 ай бұрын
C'est plus "Guy" 😂 for those who'll get the reference...
@alepaz1099
@alepaz1099 4 ай бұрын
🤯🤯
@williamford9564
@williamford9564 4 ай бұрын
3:13: So four years after he started his construction company, he had enough money to run a car and finish 7th at LeMans?
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
He was building France’s motorways. Those contracts would have been massive money. Plus racing was a little bit cheaper then.
@klingonradar
@klingonradar 3 ай бұрын
Alf?
@nickjasperse9903
@nickjasperse9903 4 ай бұрын
A yes the fft
@matthewdaniels7462
@matthewdaniels7462 4 ай бұрын
Matra v12. Next
@Dre_The_Millennial
@Dre_The_Millennial 4 ай бұрын
I would rather see a team called Ligier in F1 instead of Alpine.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 4 ай бұрын
Opened the video to answer this, got an advert for Alpine. They’re listening.
@bzilla1090
@bzilla1090 4 ай бұрын
Alpine has racing heritage, Ligier has a history of failure.
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 4 ай бұрын
It would've been nice if both could've stayed in the game. Hell I wished Prost's time as team owner hadn't gone south so quickly. I feel he just didn't get the backing or he was too naive in the people he had put his trust in. It almost comes back to Panis' leg break. Or at least I feel it had unfortunate repercussions for the team as a whole.
@bzilla1090
@bzilla1090 4 ай бұрын
@@heliumtrophy I really had hope for Prost especially considering the deal they did with Ferrari(rebadged Acer) for engines, and considering the relative success Sauber had with the same formula at the time
@crystalracing4794
@crystalracing4794 16 күн бұрын
Ironic Prost would see its state funding removed when Renault bought Benetton. Just like Larrousse, Prost F1 would collapse. As for Alpine, the current incarnation of Renault or Team Enstone, it's currently pointless and near rock bottom. What goes around, truly comes around with French teams. Maybe it's time for the French to stop owning Grand Prix Team and allow some benefactor to rename it Team Enstone once and for all
@Rypsolisti
@Rypsolisti 4 ай бұрын
With all that help it sounds like Ligier was the worst F1 team ever. They were good between ´79-´81 but with all that assistance they should have scored some wins between ´83-´93.
@MrSniperfox29
@MrSniperfox29 Ай бұрын
Worst, no Underperforming yes
@F-Man
@F-Man 4 ай бұрын
Olivier Panis > Max Verstappen
@TestarossaF110
@TestarossaF110 4 ай бұрын
geez... kinda really quite pathetic
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