"Bad" Pokemon That Work Competitively.

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Pokemon Competitive Singles is an environment where those with the best Stats and Tools rise to the top.
Metagames form around these Powerful Pokemon, and sometimes this leads to seemingly "Bad" Pokemon rising up to fill gaps and punish these threats in specific ways.
Here are 3 examples of "Bad" Pokemon that have their uses in Competitive player. These examples are from Gens 3, 4 and 5 OU.
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@jimothycool Ай бұрын

I interviewed Pokemon Legend BKC about some of the flaws of Smogon's tiering and Tournament structures, Drama surrounding Gen 5's metagame, and how various great Movies have impacted our lives. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hM6CdrqInMfQgKM.html

@halogamer41 Ай бұрын

Drive (2011)

@percsie3072 Ай бұрын

It was a great video! Highly recommended

@haroldnecmann7040 Ай бұрын

Jimothy, can you make a double adv team that consist of kyogre, thanks

@halogamer41 Ай бұрын

Butterfree has 2 tournament wins in gen 3 💀

@DarkAuraLord Ай бұрын

so what you're saying is that butterfree has proven itself with results? Sounds like a good pokemon to me.

@ZadBlue1 Ай бұрын

Did well in VGC a couple times, too. Smeargle speed accurate Powder and Tailwind!

@sebastianpert7625 Ай бұрын

@DarkAuraLord don't call that flying rat good

@ASwallie65 Ай бұрын

Butterfree performs better than Blaziken on average

@ignaciovelasco9452 Ай бұрын

Funny sleep powder goes brrrrrr

@blahtest Ай бұрын

My favorite “bad” Pokémon is Quagsire. He is unaware of the opponent’s strategies.

@Luna-Lux Ай бұрын

Quagsire in any game where he has unaware is not a bad pokemon

@noysam3570 Ай бұрын

And occasionally he absorbs the tears of the opponent when they realize he indeed is aware.

@Luna-Lux Ай бұрын

@@noysam3570 "aware" is not an ability in pokemon, you might be thinking of clodsire's water absorb ability by mistake

@imfaf8990 Ай бұрын

quagsire has water absord as well which makes him "aware"

@Arceus5555 Ай бұрын

@@imfaf8990the fact he drinks the water is indeed a sign he is “aware”

@IoannesPetrvs Ай бұрын

*A few years later* Gen 11 "Bad" Pokemon: Latios, Volcarona, Landorus-Therian...

@baldrian22 Ай бұрын

sword dogo in PU :p

@Blacturne859 Ай бұрын

Arceus in uu

@Mortyst Ай бұрын

My favorite Banette gaming moment was when my opponent accidentally tricked a choice band onto it, turning it into a surprisingly decent sweeper.

@lucabov7388 Ай бұрын

I will never get tired of Butterfree's 98% accurate sleep powder, either in competitive or in game, it rocks. My fav pokemon being awesome (and dying to a mere pebble, yes)

@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Ай бұрын

And then there's Vivilion who also has 91% accurate Hurricane. The little boy is an absolute menace (Sadly Beautifly still is terrible, being condemned to be a worse Mothim)

@lucabov7388 Ай бұрын

@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Pokemon indeed weren't created equally 😢

@ASwallie65 Ай бұрын

It is very well known that the tiering system is very flawed. For example, Magcargo, One of the most powerful pokémon in every OU format, has never once been ranked officially OU.

@Rarest26 Ай бұрын

False, he was ranked OU with the release of Teal Mask, the only reason it didn’t stay was because of Ogerpon Heartflame being in the tier. And after we all know Gholdengo paid Finch to artificially drop it to the bottom tiers so no one even tried it.

@cyruscrompton8221 Ай бұрын

Magcargo? 30 base speed and two 4x weaknesses to 2 of the most common attacking types?

@Skullhawk13 Ай бұрын

@@cyruscrompton8221they’re meming

@cyruscrompton8221 Ай бұрын

@@Skullhawk13 DAMMIT I expected this and still fell for it

@flyingoctopus4304 Ай бұрын

Magcargo's stats are bad because they're holding back their full power so they don't scout the planet with the power of the sun. The only reason the pokémon world exists is because Arceus made it and Magcargo allows it to continue.

@CradilyBestPokemon Ай бұрын

Iron Mugulis is horsing around

@ErinLynagh Ай бұрын

back in the 90s

@joshuathejosh_knutcase4165 Ай бұрын

The titular horseman

@rajkanishu Ай бұрын

Bronzong getting access to Rain Dance is one of those seemingly insignificant details made for the sake of lore and flavor that I always loved and tried to make work in games/fangames, I never played Gen 4 competitively but I always appreciated how this became a viable thing

@mr.sandman7339 Ай бұрын

I will say, aside from that, Bronzong is my favorite "bad Pokemon" in the gen 6 onward era. Esp in gen 7 and 8, it's one of the few things that can reliably switch in on Tapu Lele and threaten it back. Also could *somewhat* help with Kyurem until they realized they could Pressure stall your steel moves or run the very specific Kee Berry+sub set.

@shoogles_ Ай бұрын

I think my favourite bad Pokémon that found a place was Ariados in Gen IV Ubers. An insane thing to say out loud but good for it.

@waitingfortheequinnox Ай бұрын

And this is BEFORE Sticky Web was introduced

@cwynwyn2934 Ай бұрын

Despite everything, I still like swords dance in Gen 1 OU. Kingler has so many massive flaws but it's still really scary given the right circumstances and I just like crabs.

@yourdagan Ай бұрын

Everyone has their favorite/pet Swords Dance'r.

@SaturnStikGaming Ай бұрын

I'll never forget the Chatot I used to sweep 3 legendaries on gen 8 AG on showdown. Yes it was bottom of the ladder. I just spammed chatter and boomburst while the dude kept hitting himself

@GoldGuard Ай бұрын

Mewtwo scared of Qwilfish, never thought I’d see the day😔

@tayclark42 Ай бұрын

Lmao funny

@piranhalettuce 6 күн бұрын

The Virgin Fraudtwo gets intimidated (good ability by the way) by The Chad Qwilfish.

@ChazualFridays Ай бұрын

This is insane. I decided this week to try my hand at Gen 3 OU and picked Banette to be on my team for all of the reasons you listed, except I have Knock-off instead of Taunt. I’m surprised that didn’t come up, given Knock-off’s utility and limited distribution. I was kinda proud of myself for finding a viable UU mon on my OU team. You must have taught me well, Master Jim.

@jimothycool Ай бұрын

When I first tried out Banette I was using Knock Off too but I found it was too slow for what Banette wants to do. Knock Off gets a lot of value on teams with a solid defensive core that can keep the game going long, but Banette doesn't stick around long at all. Taunt applies more short pressure so it makes more sense

@ChazualFridays Ай бұрын

@@jimothycoolAhaaaa! I see. Thank you for your wisdom, Master Jim. May the horse council look upon you with favor.

@tylergoerlich9494 Ай бұрын

I think Banette could do well with dedicated baton pass (and maybe wish) support, and in that form could do well with knock off

@zacherytaylor Ай бұрын

My favorite banned mon is eaily Gen 9 Relicanth. The addition of scale shot and wave crash just made it unstoppable. The amount of Chi Yu I've seen deleted from existence via a Relicanth head smash is simply innumerable

@peteypariah6603 Ай бұрын

it don't get wave crash...

@zacherytaylor Ай бұрын

Yep! That's the only thing wrong with my comment

@geodude671 Ай бұрын

Qwilfish also has a niche in Gen 7 and Gen 8 National Dex as a secondary swift swimmer with Z-Explosion. I ran it on a rather competitive Pixelmon server and it won a few tournaments.

@jordantatata155 Күн бұрын

I just imagine a tiny fish making a Giant mushroom cloud Nuclear blast 😂

@KarMa-xm4oh Ай бұрын

All pokemon are not created equal???

@Thund3rDrag0n12 Ай бұрын

Yeah we don't talk about the Jim Honchkrow era...

@DarkAuraLord Ай бұрын

@@Thund3rDrag0n12 truly a dark time, where all flying types were only counted as 3/4ths of a pokemon due to the oppressive stealth rock regime.

@j.b.5422 15 күн бұрын

nobo

@rayzorwind7714 Ай бұрын

I love Pachirisu so much I used it on several of my Pearl playthroughs, so I was quite pleased when I heard about its tournament win that it seemed rocked the whole community.

@greenstatic180 Ай бұрын

I still find it hilarious how for the first year of gen 8 VGC, Butterfree was a staple because it could redirect and had a 91% accurate Sleep move

@stephensardinha6750 Ай бұрын

As a kid, I always thought all pokemon were equal in stats for their level and the only thing differentiating the species were the typing and movesets

@alantisclovenpine984 24 күн бұрын

Jimothy not mention gen 3 OU in a video challenge: impossible

@endymon5240 Ай бұрын

If Iron Mugulus becomes a horse, would that make him Iron Mountulus?

@forestskilbred9461 Ай бұрын

Iron Mugulus with the As One ability is just too strong to comprehend

@dotvee Ай бұрын

@@forestskilbred9461 oh no! Old Money Mug Rider :(((

@gregorymirabella1423 Ай бұрын

I've tried for years to make haunter and base rotom work, and base rotom works in gen 5 OU of all places. It's like a cruel joke.

@a.v.y8331 Ай бұрын

my favourite has to be wooper evolutions chilling in ubers as a specific defensive check to the most powerful pokemon in the tier. Gens 4 and 8 Quagsire checking Kyogre and Zacian-C respectively, gen 9 Clodsire checking Miraidon

@aldrichunfaithful3589 Ай бұрын

it doesn't really count as a bad pokemon since its ou ranked, but i have a pretty strange way of using gyarados in gen 3. i always find myself getting destroyed by metagross, so i wanted a really solid check to it, and gyara is perfect for that with a bulky set. i usually run it with thunder wave and 3 attacks, but on my superman stall squad i made a bulky rest set which is probably my favourite set that i've designed. with aroma support it can indefinitely wall swampert, metagross, heracross, medicham and mixed mence, while dealing huge damage or spreading paralysis

@fadeleaf845 Ай бұрын

I still love Ariados for being a trap passer in Gen 2 that can circumvent phazing moves with Disable and being a Toxic Spikes lead in Gen 4 Ubers that can beat Darkrai

@danielsc8656 Ай бұрын

Always a new awesome video to start my day in Brazil. Thanks Jimmy, ur cool

@Luna-Lux Ай бұрын

Please please please gimmie the banette jolteon HO team paste

@timothyvandyke9511 Ай бұрын

“Banette is a Pokémon” -Jim Pokémon 2024

@MiaxiAuburn Ай бұрын

All Pokémon are not created equal. Especially when you're playing competitively.

@wentoneisendon6502 Ай бұрын

Do any of these pokemon have French roots with their Encore?

@wentoneisendon6502 Ай бұрын

I was informed Rhydon is Bosnian

@kalarse Ай бұрын

I wanna be the 284818th person to mention how Pachirisu filled a role in vgc14 to make the gamer Sejun Park win Worlds. He has explained that the silly rat fullfilled a role that his team needed

@matt13classic Ай бұрын

Shoutout to Kollin7, he's one to watch out for in the future for sure...

@Jammburger Ай бұрын

I feel like it would've been worth noting in the section about Rotom in Gen 5 that Sand Force Excadrill MIGHT be on the way out soon leaving it with only Mold Breaker which would almost definitely kill off Rotom's niche as a spin blocker with an immunity to earthquake.

@Beast_the_smash_guy 9 күн бұрын

Incineroar, but not just in VGC. Fake out, good stab options, good offensive type, immune to prankster and burns, intimidate, can legit check Gholdengo and its stab options, parting shot. If it could use leftovers or a choice scarf over Heavy Duty Boots, I feel this mon would be ranked higher up

@dirtcollector Ай бұрын

used to run cacturne in gen 6 ubers just for kyogre. ran water absorb with leaf storm sucker punch and spikes, with either focus sash or yache berry for the ice beam coverage. worked like 70% of the time but was really fun to see the scarecrow putting in work

@nothankyou4859 Ай бұрын

QWILFISH MENTIONED 🎉🎉

@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding Ай бұрын

So convinient.

@rodrigosalvez250 28 күн бұрын

How convenient

@evougaming5605 Ай бұрын

Good video

@rayyaninspookymonth1630 Ай бұрын

Sorry i have been away from updating the iron mugulis playlist for sometime. If it ever is not updated again, just assume i gave up

@itsyaboi1245 Ай бұрын

Hey Jimothy! Good luck getting on the Horse Council!

@Yevjer Ай бұрын

I really like Toxicroak and Drapion since they’re both gen 4 semi viable and interesting poison types before fairy was a thing

@CoralReaper707 13 күн бұрын

Ariados having a niche in gen 4 ubers will never not be funny

@unknownname3703 Ай бұрын

jim i absolutely love this horse council arc, it is hilarious. i believe in you and your horsepower!

@becausesakamoto5938 Ай бұрын

This isn't particular to Smogon singles, but I found Accelgor to be an extremely useful utility mon in a gen 8 Draft League tournament I did. With its high speed, I could substitute multiple times in a row to completely invalidate my opponent's Dynamax, and then take advantage of that in multiple ways. A couple notable sets were Liechi Berry + Baton Pass, because Substitute would bring me down to 25% over 3 turns and then I could pass to my sweepers, and Encore, which messed with opponents who wanted to counter my utility. Baton Pass and U-Turn gave me a lot of flexibility with switching, and both Unburden and Sticky Hold were useful in some matchups. A very righteous bug overall.

@DyxoXinoro 3 күн бұрын

Shout outs to Gen 1 Porygon for being able to wall out top tier threats for some ungodly reason

@juniorrios6428 Ай бұрын

great days when the pokemon can't suddenly turn into a different type

@SupahTrunks7 Ай бұрын

The move Soak would like a word with you.

@elfabrip Ай бұрын

wait till this guy hears about the AGBL menace Castform

@masondaplaya945 Ай бұрын

Another great Jim video

@chrisdrums1910 Ай бұрын

My favorite Bad Pokémon in competitive is definitely Great Tusk in Gen 9 OU.

@helter1234 19 күн бұрын

I recently played against someone with a bulky Banette and it rocked my world.

@tysondennis1016 23 күн бұрын

I found a rain team in doubles with the rain setter being Toxapex, who is far too passive to be in doubles.

@Interesting_Failure Ай бұрын

I respect Fake Gameplay for making good use of all these off-meta picks.

@JakeSPuwuowo69 8 күн бұрын

I really liked SubPunch Toxicroak on Rain teams back in the day. Granted, it competed with Breloom for a spot, but I did really like the concept of Dry Skin as a whole.

@dVector13 Ай бұрын

life orb swift swim ludicolo was my go-to late game cleaner when i started playing gen 4 competitively. i didn't know what i was doing, but my dear amigo would go to still town if the enemy was worn down.

@avansies Ай бұрын

this Kollin7 guy seems like he knows what hes doing! really impressive

@retro2645 Ай бұрын

Great video

@edwardo2205 Ай бұрын

I’m a fan of Rotom, a Rotom-Fan, one could say.

@BackwardsHat Ай бұрын

This is the reason why Qwilfish is one of my favorite Pokémon

@Ward_bbx_art Ай бұрын

Medicham is underrated (Not the UU Format xD) in my opionion. Yes it 's a bit slow (more so by todays standarts), but it's a pretty good wallbreaker and it's my favourite Out of all the Pokémon

@keneor4468 Ай бұрын

The story of the menace that was Parasect of all things in gen 4 VGC where everything clicked into place for it to be a genuinely good pick will never stop to amaze me. It's just a funny mushroom and still it managed to threaten mewtwo and kyogre...

@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding Ай бұрын

Peak conviniance in gen 4 ubers.

@honestshao6160 Ай бұрын

Qwilifish is truly my favourite niche pick in gen4 Ubers. Great utility and good MU against annoying sunstall teams and BP teams. It's even great in gen4 Farcuesubers and AG since Tspikes is so good in these tiers.

@geddyw Ай бұрын

Mega banette should be a natural evolution. It's one of the few megas that's actually a balanced addition, looks like a normal evolution, and is for a pokemon that needs an upgrade/buff

@Zo3yX Ай бұрын

Banette is my favorite ghost mon with gengar. Love the cute doll :3

@jordanjensen9817 Ай бұрын

my fav pokemon is heracross. i like that he now gets trailblaze, making him a viable moxie sweeper

@ramblincapuchin9075 27 күн бұрын

In a funny way, this scenario found itself to becoming emblematic of the game's themes. Yes, the ride is rough going down the road toward mastery. But after fighting tough opponents like Giovanni, it's clear that they shouldn't be tools for war Pokemon can be designed to fill a niche, although not always capable across the board. You can engage with them socially or competitively. That's why I enjoyed it when they at least attempted to push things like contests as beyond the rote mechanics of the battle system Competitively, in a choice between Vanilish and Garcomp, you probably want the latter as your closer. But if you want to spend all day petting funny pikachu, they thought of that too

@zeckemyro7031 Ай бұрын

can't forget Ariados in gen 4 Ubers

@dissipation Ай бұрын

folks, I don't even play pokemon competitively, but I like the cut of this guy's jib

@shatterthineekey Ай бұрын

even if gastrodon has been in the lower tiers in most generations, it has been used in plenty of stall teams even in gen 9 as compared to the other water/ground pokemon it has solid bulk, recover, and depending on the generation either a very solid scald or spikes. In vgc tho it has won 2 world cups in restricted formats for a reason although gen 9 may prove to be an exception with it having more solid grass types,

@awesomeraichu59342 Ай бұрын

My favorite “Bad” Pokémon is Raichu. Little guy won worlds and is excellent in VGC. Plus he’s cute

@ravenpluim9050 Ай бұрын

Articuno that just won a torunament

@daxdleader719 24 күн бұрын

Flareon + wigglytuff is a usable core in gen 8 ou. They pass wishes to each other. Wigglytuff walls Dragapult while flareon does a similar job to heatran but can't be beat with fighting coverage from weavile, kartana or tapu lele

@robertleite6650 Ай бұрын

I am a horse by technicality.

@TheRealHelvetica Ай бұрын

A real shame Gamefreak decided to remove Pain Split from Hisuian Quilfish since it would have really appreciated it with the eviolite boost.

@carsonic_ Ай бұрын

My favorite is Blaziken. Not necessarily bad, but it gets overshadowed by Infernape. I am trying to get Blaziken to top 500 in gen3 OU and so far it works really well as an aggressive lead.

@oxedward4738 Ай бұрын

I’d say Lokix is probably my favorite “bad” pokemon. Maybe it’s recency bias, but I just love the fact that, despite how awful its stats are, that guy is still A rank in UU after all the DLC in the same tier with Scizor, Toxapex, Keldeo, and Zapdos. Tinted lens + First impression + Sucker punch and other great moves is just a busted combo to have.

@Rarest26 Ай бұрын

Lokix is the most f it we ball mon ive seen. What a lad.

@shyumby Ай бұрын

he's not bad but mantine in gen 7 OU Mantine @ Leftovers Ability: Water Absorb EVs: 248 HP / 100 Def / 160 SpD Calm Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Air Slash - Roost - Defog - Scald really stally but soo good

@jazzercise300 Ай бұрын

I made a ADV team with banette and yea its fun af to use

@marcelinebellafiore8695 Ай бұрын

I feel like Ariados' niche in Gen 4 Ubers has kind of been debunked, but I still love the little guy

@baldrian22 Ай бұрын

i do like iron mugilus but it trying to get entry into the horse caunsel??? that is blasfemy! defenitly need to stop that!

@cheeseman1769 Ай бұрын

Qwillfish having its own niche? How convenient!

@SkorpTS Ай бұрын

My favorite is probably ADV Camerupt.

@hannahbriarly4192 Ай бұрын

folks, this is insane. Qwilfish is ranked even higher than Magcargo in gen 4

@StockImageOfAMan 27 күн бұрын

Not so much a “bad” Pokemon, but lokix has consistently been a UU threat since the start of SV which is super good for a route one bug

@uS0ra Ай бұрын

Why was ghost type physical what were they thinking 💀

@MrSups1 Ай бұрын

all pokemon are not created equal

@miked5163 Ай бұрын

Lead qwilfish can be kinda funny in low ladder adv

@DQplz Ай бұрын

Horse, folks

@azeria1 Ай бұрын

I love quilfish my favourite gen 2 Pokémon definitely prefer it to its legends counter part

@chess_fella Ай бұрын

Bug time.

@armorbearer9702 Ай бұрын

Is there any "Bad" Pokémon that work competitively in later gens?

@Rarest26 Ай бұрын

Avalugg is probably the main one, though stuff like Slither Wing and base Muk might be worth mentioning.

@LillianAtsui-Kanari Ай бұрын

Just because you're an electric type doesn't mean you have Horsepower... these horse claims must be stopped

@KarMa-xm4oh Ай бұрын

Hi Jim

@Bird-wz7nx Ай бұрын

I enjoy using dunsparce and ninjask, even though they're actually straight up pretty bad. Eviolite dartrix is kinda ok. Tentacruel is pretty underrated, as is rhydon and rhyperior. Dodrio is just, sadly, outclassed. Escavalier is my boi. Minun is also fun but totally unhseable.

@That_One_Guy-. Ай бұрын

Don´t let this video distract you from the fact that, believe it or not; Cloyster has been on thin ice in Generation 5 OU.

@tsukara Ай бұрын

brother, that ice got shattered

@cryptooooooooo Ай бұрын

I wrote this pun and you simply have to let it die I'm ashamed of my words and my deeds

@allanturmaine5496 Ай бұрын

Am I missing something? Can't the horses just absolutely wreck the mug? Like, even if he's tough, couldn't they form a Horsetron of sorts to combat him?

@Bird-wz7nx Ай бұрын

Its the handle- that provides it a magical degree of immunity against beings that have no fingers.

@dakoriolf Ай бұрын

No mewtwo! Dont go into cerulean cave it’s too dangerous!

@DylanmeetWorld Ай бұрын

Please talk about vgc doubles in some videos

@raybigcat5898 Ай бұрын

my favorite "bad" pokemon is Delcatty, but my favorite is umbreon idc what anyones thoughts are its goated.

@adrian-ck7bi Ай бұрын

Bannette also checks BS spore users specifically breloom.

@RuneKillerz109 Ай бұрын

Wormadam-trash was the goat of gen 6 UU leads. With occa it survives a fire blast, anticipation makes you know they got it and flash fire arcanine with cc destroys common leads like azelf or scarf hydragon.

@lucasgreer1736 Ай бұрын

gen 6 uu is roa featured I know what I'm doing later

@lucasgreer1736 Ай бұрын

wouldn't sash be better though/

@RuneKillerz109 Ай бұрын

@@lucasgreer1736 sash isn't needed as only fire type moves can one-shot and occa lets your have more hp. Btw gyro can kill most non-sash azelfs (back then dunno of they run high hp/lower speed now) I ran gyro rocks toxic protect. Dunno the exact spreads tho as i have lost my pc back when. But it was heavy spdef (dunno if 252 or something like 156 and rest in def tho) no speed IVs and neg speed pos spdef nature. It's pretty decent as a physical wall with it's typing aswell. The strat is either tank a fire blast and rocks up then switch into arcanine or instant switch if you think you need more hp on it. You can run a cleric if you want a balance team but offense (not HO just offense) is what worked better imo. With a cleric for the initial fire blast wormadam can wall and stall nearly the whole meta tho.