Balance Dataslate Made Easy - Everything You Need to Know

Balance Dataslate Made Easy - Everything You Need to Know - Warhammer 40k

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It's here! The first major update of year for Warhammer 40,000 is upon us and it is A LOT to dig through. That's why we've done it for you! Join us as we take you through the changes to the game including analysis on what it means for you and your army.
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@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Couple notes: -Totally missed Votann! Thunderkyn, Hearthguard, and the Sagitaur all went up in points. -For Chaos Daemons, the limitation with Battleline only applies to Allied detachments which was unclear in the video. -Grey Knights Librarian went UP not Down. Makes more sense! Cheers!

@YnnaMuutaSellaista 3 ай бұрын

Other Grey knights updates that were hard to spot: -GK Librarian got a points increase, not decrease -Draigo's +3 on one charge now works from Teleport Assault too -Terminators are now clarified to be able to revive models outside of the board!

@AndrewThomas1212 3 ай бұрын

One more note! Wulfen got a datasheet buff in the form on +1 strength and damage to their hammers

@what3269 3 ай бұрын

Also missed the buff to Imperial Knights re-rolls. Now it’s 1 hit, and 1 wound. Not just on a roll of a 1.

@cardanai 3 ай бұрын

The PBC for Death Guard also went up, and the grenade is still once per game, just also limited to one model with the ability per shooting phase.

@Dedwards781 3 ай бұрын

Demonic pact is the ally portion of the rules for deamons

@CcReap3r 3 ай бұрын

Oh ok I was remaking my demon list and was up to 60 blood letters before I came back to this video in confusion.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Sorry we could have covered that better!

@danielcannon5726 3 ай бұрын

Literally had a heart attack when watching this video until I look into it

@sabalmal1288 3 ай бұрын

Concise and thorough, gotta love it thanks guys!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

@christiandanielson5563 3 ай бұрын

Really appreciate you guys making this post with all the units shown! Makes things a lot easier to digest!

@LearAndrew 3 ай бұрын

One interesting note for grey knights missed is that draigos ability for the +3 charge now works on the teleport strike and not just deep strike. Huge threat if youre going second

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Missed that, looking forward to giving it a go!

@hickorybane9323 3 ай бұрын

Space wolves also got a couple (completely unmarked 🙄) datasheet changes. Wulfen hammers are now s6 and d2 and all the characters' lightning claws went from WS3+ to WS2+

@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 3 ай бұрын

Brother, can you help me understand the change to the rules? Do we have to choose which Saga we go for before we can try and accomplish it or do we just activate it if we meet the requirements?

@GoldmonX 3 ай бұрын

There's another document that notes the changes to indexes (the Index Cards document on the Downloads page)

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Holly molly! Well that's super exciting, ty!

@GoldmonX 3 ай бұрын

@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 You choose at the end of the turn, so you don't have to target. You just pick whichever one you happened to complete.

@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 3 ай бұрын

@@GoldmonX Cool, thanks.

@Tigu86 3 ай бұрын

The Biologus Purtifiert is still one a Battle. (last sentence); It is that you can only use the ability on one BP the round. Before us could use it on every BP Model.

@mrwicked4481 3 ай бұрын

It wasn't once per battle before and there is nothing in the ability saying only one per turn.

@MrHoneuma 3 ай бұрын

No. It's once per battle per model, it explicitly states so in the last sentence, "Each model can only be selected for this ability once per battle."

@AnthonyTTL 3 ай бұрын

This was a great breakdown thank you! Was awesome to meet Adrian at LVO too 👊🏼

@alexhawley6559 3 ай бұрын

Awesome video! Excellent summarize of the changes!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@mcthunder8127 3 ай бұрын

Absolute masterclass explanations for the new dataslate! Quick and efficient compared to other channels and very concise and simple to understand. Keep up the TT Tactics! 😉 Thanks! 🙌😍

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words we really appreciate it!

@commanderkei9537 3 ай бұрын

They didn’t help the admech at all? Please, I just want my assassin robots to actually hit on 3+s in melee ;-;

@amrikneifer1193 3 ай бұрын

Why do they insist that our elite army not be elite... it doesn't make sense.

@commanderkei9537 3 ай бұрын

@@amrikneifer1193 Honestly. I’d even be ok with a few point increases just to make out stuff hit on 3+s. It’s all expensive IRL as is

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

They definitely deserve some help.. it's due to the fact that them and the necrons havent been out 'long enough'

@commanderkei9537 3 ай бұрын

@@TabletopTitans may our prayers to the Omnissiah be answered in the future, then

@joshuacartwright290 3 ай бұрын

Missed out Draigos +3 charge is now with teleport assault not just deep strike. Big change now he can start on the board and keep it for opportune moment.

@Ryan3d 3 ай бұрын

Tyrannofex finally got justice !!! ❤

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Can't wait to get them on the table again!

@SergentJConn 3 ай бұрын

Very well put together

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@TheXasTube 3 ай бұрын

Short and to the point. Very nice!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@fortknoxtj2360 3 ай бұрын

very good video, makes it easy to absorb all the changes.

@fox21231 3 ай бұрын

LOOOL the only points change guard got was a 30pt nerf to manticores? Dont they have the 3rd lowest win rate? How is that going to help them? This is hilariously bad

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

yeah this one does feel very odd. Also if anyone else deserves another detachment its them

@EdBurke37 3 ай бұрын

So with the change to the Custodes FNP I'm worried that the codex detachments will end up feeling useless. The problem is that Devastating Wounds basically are the meta these days and so any detachments that don't protect against them won't see any real use because they'll just get picked up off the board too easily. Also sad that nothing changed on the data sheets for the bikes or any of the dreadnaughts. Their points were bad but their stats were worse.

@Guo1234bob 3 ай бұрын

Any unit can be good if it’s cheap enough tbh.

@LewisChappy 3 ай бұрын

Our codex is out soon ish so didn't expect anything major unfortunately ... :/

@souledgar 3 ай бұрын

Surprised they bothered to do anything with Tau, since they're getting their codex drop soon.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah that's a good point!

@juddery 3 ай бұрын

Although I'm glad that there were some key changes for armies that were struggling or dominating, it's rather frustrating that GW don't care about those in the middle 10%, (45-55). Some of those could really use some fixes for certain units, to change them from auto-exclude, to actually worth taking. Sternguard for example. They were really good prior to the last dataslate, but the change to Oath of moment and devastating wounds, made them auto-exclude and so they just sit on my shelf, not getting any use. Even a points decrease would be something, but that still wouldn't fix them and it would be nice if GW would recognise that points alone are not the reason that some units get used a lot in tournaments instead of others. It's often because the other units are just too weak and not worth including. Sure, narrative play can be fun and has it's place, but it would be nice to actually have a chance of winning occasionally. So why would we include units in our armies, that are really weak, just because the points have been reduced a little bit? Also yes, I'm salty because I've just built my first Whirlwind and was excited to give it a go, but with a 35 point increase, I'm not sure it's worth bothering with now. Also my Son has a Tyranid army, that I already cannot even begin to compete with and they just got big points decreases, despite already being really strong. Anyway, rant over.

@lightarisen8430 3 ай бұрын

They went down ten points on your sterngaurd.

@juddery 3 ай бұрын

@@lightarisen8430 lol, yeah I somehow managed to miss that, even though I was looking for it. I still don't think they're worth including for that though. They just don't do much.

@michaelholmes2607 3 ай бұрын

You didn’t do Dark Angels Adrian! But fairs no worries man as got new codex coming out next month. Am sooo glad that didn’t increase at all Deathwing knights unit cost!! Plus decreased Deathwing termi unit costs and Assault termi too, happy times indeed! Will be interesting to see what DA unit points are in their new codex compared these updated ones now

@Thunderstorm254 3 ай бұрын

I'm happy with the dataslate. All my factions got better or stayed the same

@fabiusque4266 3 ай бұрын

Overall, most of what I've seen so far looks solid, except for the lion. That dude is still seriously overcosted for what he does after getting hit with the nerf bat.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Definitely feeling for Dark Angels players right now

@michaelkelly4533 3 ай бұрын

It's likely in preparation for his loss of-1 wound as a lot of dark angels players are starting to get their codexes

@lightarisen8430 3 ай бұрын

40 point drop is a start.

@FredrickDouglass69 3 ай бұрын

That’s the points for the index. The codex will get new points.

@cew630 3 ай бұрын

World Eaters literally went from good to trash

@TugboatMedia 3 ай бұрын

Wait, the grey knight librarian increased to 110, not decreased in points from what they posted on Warhammer community

@DRcocosalt 3 ай бұрын

yeah they made a mistake, there also seem so-so about the changes, i think its great as NDK are useable now, and NDK are the main sources of anti tank for GK. also there was a stleath buff, draigo can now use his once per game +3 to a charge, after an teleport assault (the army rule) not just only after a deep strike from reserves, huge buff, means draigo starts on the board now allowing possible charges on turn 1, and he is way more flexable, arugeablly a 'fix' but its not meantioned any where, like the other fixes. still problems left, chaplain and libby still only has only -1 ap on there melee attacks (libby i get why chaplian). GM's free startagem is still only 'once per game' not 'battle round' like all other simular effects. but these buffs are nice.

@TugboatMedia 3 ай бұрын

@@DRcocosalt yeah I’m super happy about the NDK because I’ve been having to use armigers to help with everyone using tanks now. I was able to put together what looks like a well rounded list that has 3 helverins and a NDK for heavies while still keeping a good amount of terminators and paladins for objectives and infantry

@DRcocosalt 3 ай бұрын

@@TugboatMedia armiger were close to even compared to NDK before, but now with he WS improvement NDK come out better in most cases, they have a better save, hit on 2 do more damge with d6 with sword with an extra attack, better shooting, and can use all the GK rules and stratgems, the loss of 2 toughness is the only thing armigers are better at now. well worth the 30 extra diffreance. now GK might be the walker spam army.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Yeah had that backwards, pinned the mistake in the comments above. Ty for checking

@jackkreeger6617 3 ай бұрын

THANK YOU!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Our pleasure Jack!

@Aquilalias 3 ай бұрын

I like the format!

@Kibbet21 3 ай бұрын

Profane zeal for csm can also only be used on Undivided nobody else

@PoYi-fi1zt 3 ай бұрын

Space dwarf got ignored. So angry Gaga get some beer~

@StephenHenryIV 3 ай бұрын

My golden lads! WE CAN START RECLAIMING OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

We'll be playing them this week to test it out!

@Bear_of_light26 3 ай бұрын

Grey Knights librarian went up, not down

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Ahhh shoot, ty for that, it felt weird the way we thought it was

@Bear_of_light26 3 ай бұрын

@@TabletopTitans it still feels weird with GK not getting any points help. But hopefully between resurrecting models off board working and DKs getting buffed they can start punching up a little now.

@DRcocosalt 3 ай бұрын

@@TabletopTitans also there was a stleath buff, draigo can now use his once per game +3 to a charge, after an teleport assault (the army rule) not just only after a deep strike from reserves, huge buff, means draigo starts on the board now allowing possible charges on turn 1, and he is way more flexable, arugeablly a 'fix' but its not meantioned any where, like the other fixes. still problems left, chaplain and libby still only has only -1 ap on there melee attacks (libby i get why chaplian). GM's free startagem is still only 'once per game' not 'battle round' like all other simular effects. but these buffs are great as NDK are useable now, and NDK are the main sources of anti tank for GK, giving (some) coverage to the last major sticking point for GKs.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Oh thanks for the heads up! Well have to give that a try :O@@DRcocosalt

@steelsteel10 3 ай бұрын

Plagueburst Crawler went up to 180. I think two is the amount to take in almost every list.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

yeah two feels about right!

@garretwoeller7669 3 ай бұрын

The fact the Custodes forgeworld infantry got no love is so depressing the sub spears suck snd the Saggies should get their AT laser back as a weapon profile option not an ability

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Definitely wish we saw more FW on the tables

@CcReap3r 3 ай бұрын

@@TabletopTitansAs a resin disliker, they can stay bad until they make plastic kits.

@nurglematthew893 3 ай бұрын

Great news, Chat

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

It is!

@davewebster5120 3 ай бұрын

I wanted to see the imperial Knights buff to be better and the chaos knights nerf to be worse. The points changes help but Chaos Armies need a push to play something other than wardogs. I'm happy for the point cost adjustment I just wish the bondmen abilities still applied to the knight.

@duelist4210 3 ай бұрын

Since the Dark Angels stuff is in a few days, is this their points or will they update them again?

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Oddly enough they list even the units that dont exist in the new book, so there will likely be a separate update for them once the full book is released

@TideUltra13-ex3xl 3 ай бұрын

In the WarCom article, they mentioned that the munitorum document will be updated when the codex release.

@TheharshMoon 3 ай бұрын

Six fate dice is crazy…

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Definitely curious to see what this means in game, theres certainly not much room to reroll them anymore

@Jessthree 3 ай бұрын

Exactly

@sniperlemming 3 ай бұрын

Is there a place that has the complete, up to date rules for each army?

@fabiusque4266 3 ай бұрын

It usually takes a while after an update, but whapedia usually has everything.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

The GW app is probably the best source, they have been keeping it pretty up to date, otherwise you have to piece together the downloads from Warhamer Community :(

@0AbsolutZero0 3 ай бұрын

Grey Knights Librarian went up not down

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Added to the pinned comment, ty!

@bejoe35 3 ай бұрын

Forgot the Votann! That's a judgin'!

@Calibrett0 3 ай бұрын

Didnt adress that you can still throw grenades with a unit that investigates signals instead of shooting.

@Yakiro255 3 ай бұрын

I know Admech just got a codex but I was really hoping we had enough time and reason to buff them. Feels pretty awful to collect these guys right now.

@wetwraith 3 ай бұрын

Just to say didn't the c'tan points change? I thought they were all 255 before?

@Necros212 3 ай бұрын

Drukhari player here.... I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING!! MY BRAIN HURTS!!!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

POWER OVERWHELMING

@user-rk8ey1nj9u 3 ай бұрын

Hi! How about changes in Rules Commentary?

@89crooker 3 ай бұрын

Guard needed more help

@albertoweinrichter5441 3 ай бұрын

Uh, will Aeldari still be ok without phantasm? Because 1d6 inches is waaaaay too risky for their shenanigans We'll see :)

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

haha tale as old as time, genuinely very curious to see what they do now

@mooglemunch 3 ай бұрын

Missed the poor short kings!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

They deserve better D: Posted the changes in a pinned comment

@Palasdin 3 ай бұрын

Let’s be real…Orks stayed strong!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Orks is best! And are totally good still

@HomebrewHammer40k 3 ай бұрын

I play Aeldari and I’m so glad they nerfed all this tbh. Maybe not phantasm lol. The stigmas were getting outta hand tho

@celtichistory 3 ай бұрын

Dudes beat auspex. How?!

@scotiansaint5679 3 ай бұрын

They really over did it with CSM. Goodbye flavour in lists. Accursed cultists with commune go up like 40 points, OC cut in half, can only regenerate in the controlling players turn. That’s brutal. The transport mark nerf really hurt list building. Now I’ll have give my rhino mark of slaanesh. Yay for exploding tank attacks and not being able to add a havoc team in the rhino. Thanks Gw….

@nguyengiahuy1547 3 ай бұрын

Based channel as always❤

@ruilmonsezhi4088 3 ай бұрын

Bro, did you just outspeed Auspex

@michaelcandlish8277 3 ай бұрын

I think explosive maladies is still only once per battle 😢

@ghostbearr1 3 ай бұрын

Adeptus Mechanis has had shir rules 6 months. What is another 3 months, though I do not think a patch or the next dataslate will help several data sheets need to be changed.

@melodywallace4370 3 ай бұрын

yay dataslate! good changes!

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

So excited!

@richardjohnstone1374 3 ай бұрын

Crushed it lads, thanks. Btw did DA not get any changes or is their codex releasing shortly interfering?

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

They had some points 'changes' but its all in reference to the index rather than the book so its pretty up in the air for now. Definitely expect changes when the book drops outside of the boxed set

@richardjohnstone1374 3 ай бұрын

@TabletopTitans makes sense. Thanks team, love the battle reports. Very easy to digest and quick explanation of rules or synergys helps us filthy casuals follow better!

@Jessthree 3 ай бұрын

Idk a drop from 12 to 6 fate dice is a bit extreme. I was expecting the nerf, but by half?

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Yeah as much as Eldar are out of control, I'd love to see new data on fate dice use

@davidcanty7903 3 ай бұрын

Still no reason for Chaos Knights to take big knights

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

So not enough to bring them in line?

@davidcanty7903 3 ай бұрын

@@TabletopTitans not durable enough, not enough board control, comparable fire power. War dogs are still going to be the tournament staple.

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

@@davidcanty7903 Makes sense, hoping theyll one day find the balance between the chassis

@davidcanty7903 3 ай бұрын

@@TabletopTitans I would rather have faction mechanics worth remembering to use. ;)

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

lool harsh but fair@@davidcanty7903

@alphshift7857 3 ай бұрын

My army got literally nothing...

@lightarisen8430 3 ай бұрын

I feel you on my deathwatch haha

@mkulchar 3 ай бұрын

Yhey really dropped the ball on this. Tsons forgotten again, need crzy point drops

@xsDamage 3 ай бұрын

Votann?

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Ahhhh shoot. Thunderkyn, Hearthguard, and Sagitaur all went up in points

@jackkenny2825 3 ай бұрын

Where is thousand sons?

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

No direct changes for them, for better or worse

@MrZypherman 3 ай бұрын

Shame! Forgetting Leagues of Votann points increasing !

@MrZypherman 3 ай бұрын

Thunderkyn +10. Hearthguard +10. Sagitaur +15

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Nooo that really is for shame, ty for catching it

@russellakred2962 3 ай бұрын

What do they mean by points increase and points decease?

@Kibbet21 3 ай бұрын

Csm getting maybe kneecapped 😢 we shall see

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

They hit all the big 'uns, at least they didnt change pacts which we were curious about

@Kibbet21 3 ай бұрын

@TabletopTitans yea I think profane zeal getting switched to only Undivided is the biggest hit

@seofonrice 3 ай бұрын

about 3 seconds on TSons ..

@TabletopTitans 3 ай бұрын

Poor tsons :(

@Bcuzieatiron 3 ай бұрын

I really really wish that GW would move away from this “unit too strong points go up unit too weak points go down” mentality. If a unit has broken mechanics, changing the points cost hardly ever fixes the issue. It just means players stop fielding that unit entirely.