They definitely need to add some sort of closure for your companions

rushed epilogue, wait 2 year for the definitive edition

@@chriscornell8810 What are you even talking about, there are closures! Just play differently, of course in this ending and playthrough, the gith don't give a shit about the others...

Good ole Irish goodbye

I think the emperor is a manipulative bastard BUT I also think one of the few times were he tells the truth is when it comes to orpheus wanting to kill him. God knows how long orpheus has been trapped there, and then literally used by a coniving, manipulative ILITHID. I highly doubt you could smash it and orpheus didnt give an ultimatum either him or the squid.

Empi killed lot of Orpheus friends, so he is certainly doomed

​@@lunasllenas1997 I think that he's been trapped there for a pretty long time, but the Emperor used him only approximately since the story has started. It's mentioned in Gortash's diaries that the whole nautiloid mission was started to steal the prism from the githyanki.

@@lunasllenas1997 Orpheus would have certainly been pissed, but he was also pissed at us when we freed him and he still recognized that there were greater concerns than killing the Emperor. He also acknowledged that the Emperor was right in that they needed an illithid, so even if Orpheus wanted revenge he would have held off until after the Netherbrain was defeated. So no, I think the Emperor wanted Orpheus dead but with the benefit of his power so that there would be no threat from the Netherbrain OR from Orpheus afterwards, and when he wouldn't get that he decided to side with the Netherbrain.

@@Floweramon I don't think so. He can barely contain himself when you free him. Imagine if it was even worse.

The rebellion would fail as Lae'zel isn't renowned by her people. For it to succeed they need Orpheus. They will only follow him against Vlaakith.

@@richardshiflett5181 She and her companions just took out a Netherbrain. That's one of the highest deeds you can do in githyanki society. Say it's canon that Kith'rak Voss witnessed it you have one of the highest ranked Githyanki on your side and tons of source material (all the discs you found and Lae'zels story itself). She could find help with the Githzerai or many other forces who are in conflict with Vlaaktih. Orpheus last words when you make him a mindflayer is that he names Lae'zel leader of the Githyanki in his stead so she is his heir. Your Tav and her are legendary heroes at this point.

@@Tarfyen2 i think you are missing the point, it DOESN'T matter what you did or who you did it with. You and Lae'zel aren't GITH's own blood. Orpheus is. Only He can unite the Githyanki and Maybe the Githzerai against Vlaakith.

​@@richardshiflett5181Orpheus might be the saviour of Githyanki, but his magic is too powerful for a mortal. Yes, with his help Githyanki can slay Vlaakith and even mindflayers as a race completely. But what then? Firstly, they turn their attention to githzerai, because the only thing, that connected them, the hatred towards illithids, is gone, and yanki will probably start a war against zerai. (I personally love githzerai, they are more independent and fair than cruel militaristic githyanki, they should force some sense into yanki) And then, the giths will probably start enslaving other races. Remember, they're one of the most racist species existing. So, with Orpheus' powers they can become another unstoppable destructive force for all the planes, just as illithids with Nether Brain. That's how I see the situation personally. And, moreover, Lae'zel seems like a really special and sympathetic githyanki, unlike most of her kin, so judging them by Lae'zel is kinda wrong. But she can become the leader who will be able to make them even greater not just in terms of power, but of morals too.

@@хахатун That's wild assumptions, nothing in Orpheus demeanor suggest he consider war as the only valid path of life. He intend to reform his people, not just overthrow Vlaakith. And Lae'zel isn't the only empathic zankis, there are others, we have seen a few, it's Vlaakith that encourage a system racist, violent and cruel. Also, it's cute that you assume they will be able to destroy the Illithids. It's not like the Zerais, the Yankis and Vlaakith haven't been trying since thoussands and thoussands of years. Heck, there is not even a guarantee they will susccesfully dethrone Vlaakith.

Karlach is doomed no matter what. If she becomes a mind flayer she loses her soul, and soon. If she doesn't, either her engine burns out and kills her, or she has to go back to the hells. It's sad.

@@stevenyukabacera160 Is it really such a dreadful place I mean it's a place of endless war and under realm creatures torturing and killing. Fun it is.

@@stevenyukabacera160 If she turns mindflayer she still dies. When you turn mindflayer you essentially die and get replaced by an illithid that thinks it's you.

@@stevenyukabacera160 She can go back with Wyll (and Tav if they decide to join). Going back isn't ideal, but it gives her time, there's hope that things might be better in the future, and she has friends both in Hell and back in Faerun, something she didn't have before. It's a massively preferable end.

On my first run she turnt illitith and second one i returned to hell with her side by side in epic charge but i left my shadowbabe behind

And clothes. Smh

Longbow.. Chk

easy. I forced orpheus to become one after he was improsined for decades. And when he fought the netherbrain, i betrayed him and stabbed him to death ...

this way, you dont have to feel bad for him, since he is dead anyway

And the thing I liked the most in this game was telling Zevlor "At least you'll die before the goblins find the children."

@@MrLachekok bro

Meh

I'm doing that now it's actually part of gith lore

It’s a hard choice for sure I hope there eventually becomes a third option later down the line. I didn’t like the empire that much but that could be because I got really into the role play aspect playing a githyanki character lol

Seems you haven't learned Lady Shar's lessons. For everu gain, a loss, my friend. Embrace the nightsinger or be swallowed by her dark forces.

​@@michaeldevoe4996 It would be great if you could bring Omeluum with you, we know he's friendly and willing to help.

You can let Gale sacrifice and become Mystra’s chosen.

Especially for gith pc

I feel like convincing Laezel to stay in Faerun as an adventurer is a better ending for her character arc. Going with Orpheus, while more morally palatable than Vlaakith, is just her trading her chains for a different set and once again giving up all her individuality. On the other hand, no cool dragon so whose to say which is better.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to let Lae'zel go to the Astral Plane. She's staying in Faerun. XD

Hell no :D Karlach DOOM ending is the canon one :D Githianki will manage without orpheus, but Karlach-squid is unacceptable :)

@@MrDracolucassos Especially since the lore confirms a mindflayer does not have the original person’s soul, it just copies their personality and such. So that would mean Karlach is dead after all. Her charging forward to fight imps and demons with Wyll and/or Tav is way more satisfying.

Yeh, they have a huge civil war to fight that will likely last for longer then their lifetimes to win. You can’t start off progressive change without winning that war first. In fact something like that would harm your claim to the seat of power as Orpheus. A monumental undertaking like that would have zero reason to take a progressive risk to recruitment to their cause because a single person wants to continue their fling with their guthyanki girlfriend. This actually makes sense in the reality of what they are about to undertake. It would be dumber to make your happy ending the reality.

@bigshirley8658 only if you're as close minded as a githyanki in training.

@@r0ckbass yeh and who would this civil war need to recruit? Gythyanki. Played yourself.

@@bigshirley8658 um. what.

I played as Astarion and romanced Karlach. It broke my heart how Astarion just darted away and left her to die at the dock. It's just not right. I am actually really mad at this game for those stupid endings.

@@hpenvy1106don’t play origin characters if you want the full range of choices in the game, that’s what Tav is for

​​@@hpenvy1106oh yes so it's dumb that a vampire was trying not to burn to death while the romanced companion of his made the choice to burn their heart out and die. So dumb that it was explained to us numerous times for the character's story arc and it happened because you refused to pay attention to 2 plotlines and wanna live in your delusional dream land story telling

I’m curious myself, that’s something I’ll have to try on my next play through. I hope you can bring them with you or at least an emotional goodbye.

I have heard that only githyanki characters can climb the dragon. Something to do with the astral plane maybe? But have not tested what happens if you romance Lae'Zel and try to come with them

@@warlockengineer407 yeah this is only avaiable for githyanki.

@@warlockengineer407 You have no option of coming with. I can spoil what happens in this case as I saw the ending.

Not sure but as a gith who did not romance lae zel and had Orpheus become the mind flayer, i was not given an option to ride back to the Astral Plane. Karlach's dialogue bugged out so i had to pick between Orpheus and myself...

I think its's because only Githyanki can travel through the Astril Plane or something like that.

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no many other species can and do travel the Astral Sea, humans included. The Githyanki are just somewhat zenophobic as you should have figured already. Its entirely possible that Orpheus and / Lae'Zel would allow Tav to join them if Tav could have asked. The Githyanki make thier home in the Astral so thats where they feel at home. It also means that so long as they ( or any species) live in the Astral, they do not age.@@osamabinlaggin3281

a red dragon most likely would not bow to itsik. also they wouldnt be welcome among gith

"lazy writing" Dude! 🤣

i saw a playthrough where the emperor revealed he was actually mind-controlling Duke Stelmane and he was trying to control us as well to do his bidding. I think going against the emperor was actually the right thing to do.

I dont think so, but honestly the fact that you have to make that choice makes it a lot more compelling.

Yes there are. My mate was Durge and transformed into a mindflayer. Stayed with the emperor while I went with Karlach to hell.

Not at the moment after this scene it just cuts to the Narration over Baldur’s gate saying how you saved the city. Would have loved if it should them arriving in the astral plane and showed one more romance scene.

@@michaeldevoe4996 Ah that's a bummer, thanks! The current Lae'zel epilogue is beautiful

Yes you can still leave with them as long as your a githyanki prior to being an illithid

????

Orpheus didnt exist before Bg3 unless you have a source im unaware of?

Agreed it just happens way too fast, I do hope larian does like they did with divinity 2 and rework aspects of the third act.

It makes sense if you understand Emperor's motivation and perspective. He's not interested in stopping the Netherbrain per se, he's only interested in self preservation. He'd broken free of Elder Brains before so he assumes he can do it again, but Orpheus is the strongest anti-Illithid weapon to ever exist, his freedom is a existential threat to all Illithids. when you're thinking in the long term and your only goal is your own survival, then siding with the Netherbrain in that moment makes sense.

​@WintonOverwatchEnjoyer agreed. Emperor killed his best friend. What makes the jump to joining the Netherbrain hard to understand?

You have to say to Orpheus that you won't become a mind flayer while Karlarch is in your party. Karlach will step in after you announce that and suggest it's for the best for her to do it.

@@okuraorca I think I forgot to do her quest line in first place, that’s why she could not do that.

Itsik not welcome among the Gith

@@gm3353 Not even a Dragonborn? Come on

You have to steal the Orpheic hammer from the house of hope to free Orpheus, afterwards you let karlach become the mindflayer when the choice to become one happens. At the very ending though you will need to be a githyanki in order to leave with Lae’zel to the astral plane

Personally I consider anything involving your character destroying the nether brain to be a good ending (heroic) and anything involving your character controlling the brain to be a bad ending (evil). Narrative wise it doesn’t seem that Orpheus is ever planning on doing that his primary goal is to free the githyanki from vlaakith. I also was very much into the rp aspect on my first playthrough and as a githyanki I wanted to save my prince. I do like your ending though I did it in my second playthrough as a dark urge character it’s the better ending for Karlach for sure

I’m pretty sure you can as long as you save Orpheus from the emperor

Their power comes from a pact with a devil. The deal was his power would end with the threat.

the fact that he was immediately willing to sacrifice himself to destroy the grand design shows that he is very selfless tho, considering how he turns into ghaik, and i dont need to explain how a gith turning into a mind flayer would be absolutely repulsive for a gith. also a big generalization by saying every other gith, considering she had only been to like, 2 creches

You could see the emperor as no different from the other mind flayers, he enslaved a githyanki to do his bidding

Your ending I’d consider one of the good ones as well, anything involving saving Baldur’s gate is a good ending vs taking the crown and ruling over Baldur’s gate would be one of the bad endings. I just named the video that way just to show what specific good ending I got, not necessarily that mine was the Definitive good ending. At the time I wasn’t seeing my ending uploaded anywhere because not many people play as githyanki and this is an exclusive ending if you play as a githyanki.

@@michaeldevoe4996 Does she actually stay with you if you convince her, being a mindflare as a githyanki? Saw there was an option, but everyone is chosing to help Orpheus fight Vlaakith

@@unadax221 I believe you can I think you just have to pass a persuasion check of 20 to get her to stay with you and not go to the astral plane

I chose this one too.

A pact of Tiamat with Gith (or Vlaakith).