I wonder what language "Fie" is taken from in the context of that dialogue... In romanian, which has latin roots -- it means "so be it"

@@ghipsandrew It's taken from English.

​@@ghipsandrewIt's Shakespearean English, an expression of contempt.

A Lolth*

She talks alot. Especially about her "activities" in bed.

I absolutely love her inside here but in act 3 i dont like her very much. Just feels like she has a self righteous boner.i mean completely justified after being stuck and killed a thosand years or whatever but she was so bad ass here then felt one-note later, it made me sad :(

I haven't come across a single bad voice line in the game so far. Maybe there's some, but Larian really did have high standards.

As far as I know a romanced Shart throws the spear away herself. I always managed to pass her speach checks myself though. First time I got lucky and after that I always take advantage perks and all 4 rerolls. Though the next I'm going for her throwing the spear on her own. I always end up romancing her.

Its any good approval not just romance ​@tomn.9987

​@tomn.9987 a non romanced Shadowheart will spare the Nightsong too if her apprioval is high enough and you don't allow her to pray at Shar's temple.

@@chriskelly9476 You must not allow her to pray?

@tomn.9987 thats what I found in my playthroughs, anyway. I had neutral approval, never stopped her from praying and I also told her not to go through with killing the Nightsong. She did. Next playthrough (not romanced) with high approval, I didn't allow her to pray at the shrine (near Balthazar's hideout) and I let her make her own decision about Nightsong and she spared her.

Give her haste and she gets rid of him without you

who couldve tought

There was cut content where you could also play as a sharran (when you chose which god to follow). Its accessable through mods again

I read all the books I found in the gauntlet of Shar; her responses seem on point. For a century she's been imprisoned here with Sharrans killing her to become Dark Justiciars; she is addressing the player as if you're just the latest to come do that.

You can tell the dialog was clearly meant for Shadowheart, the NPCs NEVER call Val a girl or boy, whereas here she calls her "a good girl."

@@legendsofmichael4315 I’m not so sure about that, I think I’ve been called a lass/lad by NPCs before? 🤔

It's not possible for Tav to serve Shar, unless you play as Shadowheart

@sakuraninomiya5691 dang it lol I have picked her a diety and was a cleric but never really read too much into it. Basically randomized when clicking dieties lol

@@sakuraninomiya5691you actually can :It was cut content which can be restored.. through the power of mods.

Anyone can become one yeah, even Selûnites. Just take her out at range and you’ll get the dj tag. Look it up if you want

@@4m4n40 👀👀👀 I might have to do my evil play through like did

>Did the other Judiciers not use the spear of Night? No >But even then that doesn’t explain why Shar wanted Shadowheart to permanently kill Aylin. Evil gods are stupid.

Shadowheart was groomed to become Shar's Chosen, as Ketheric was before. Shadowheart was meant to kill Ketheric for Shar, but in order to do that, the Nightsong had to be killed. But, since Kethric needed to die permanently, so did the Nightsong this time. Before, Ketheric was still a Sharran, and so new Dark Justiciars would kill and re-kill Aylin to ascend to that position, until Ketheric betrayed Shar and became Myrkul's Chosen instead. Shadowheart is only capable of killing Aylin permanently because Shar wanted it done, and empowered Shadowheart through the Spear of Night, which was the ritual tool used to kill the Nightsong again and again. Only in this case, the Spear was amped up for the purpose of slaying the Daughter of Selune permanently.

She wanted Shadowheart to Kill her because Ketheric was a Selunite who got corrupted by Shar but then turned on a dime for Myrkul. It was Shars way of punishing him for turning from her.

yea, Shar wanted Shadowheart to be the one to do it because it'd be like an extra huge middle finger to Selûne. I guess afterwards Dark Justiciars would just have to prove themselves by doing some other silly trial TL;DR Yes, the gods truly are this petty

@@graysonb_designs I don't think the Spear of Night was used as a ritual weapon by all Dark Justiciars. There are books in the Silent Library that talk about how the Spear was guarded, even from Sharrans; how most Sharrans should be proud to merely keep it safe, because it was awaiting its intended user. One book even warns Dark Justiciars away from trying to find it and use it, because to do so would go against their lady's will. Only one Sharran is ever supposed to wield the Spear, and that's Shadowheart. I also think (but now we're getting into speculation) that Shar wanted Shadowheart to permanently kill Aylin more as a symbolic gesture than as a means of destroying Ketheric, though that could have been part of it. I think this is all part of Shar's grand (and petty) plan to prove dominance over her sister by taking a young Selunite (Shadowheart) and turning her into not just any Dark Justiciar, but Shar's Chosen. Having Shadowheart kill Aylin for good would not only symbolize that she had completely turned from Selune, but also be a gesture of Shar's lasting victory over Selune (her Chosen finally killed the supposedly immortal daughter of Selune), as well as demonstrating Shadowheart's ascension above all other Justiciars. It marks the overcoming of an obstacle (Aylin's immortality) and a permanent change in Shar's church. New Justiciars would probably need to find a mortal follower of Selune to slay after completing the Gauntlet, which I'd guess is what happened before Ketheric trapped Aylin and she became their ritual sacrifice.

You can't choose to worship Shar, she's just making the perfectly rational assumption that anyone who willingly travels with a Sharran to kill her is a fellow Sharran.

@@SingAboutSwayze Gotyeh. I wasn't sure if it was a background thing some classes could choose. Have only played the game as a Dwarven fighter, half Elf bard and nonLolth Drow wizard.

@@shakyrob6512 If you end up playing as a cleric you'll get to choose which god you worship; it comes up in conversation occasionally. If you're on PC there's a mod to let everyone choose a god for that purpose and it still comes up in conversation. It's mostly completely freeform with a couple of exceptions; non-lolth drow can't worship lolth, lolthsworn can only worship lolth iirc, but you cannot choose Shar with any combination of race/subrace in the base game.

You could play as a cleric of Shar in Early Access, and there was datamined dialogues for this scene as a Cleric of Shar, but that was cut along with most of the other evil deity options, so in the release version it comes off as her just making assumptions.

@@catoblepasomega What other evil deity options were there? There's currently Ladaguer, Vlaakith, Talos, Tiamat, Gruumsh, and Lolth on the evil end of the spectrum. That seems like plenty to me.

Tried it on my Selûne cleric, and no. She’s just knocked out and stays there. You can’t recruit her again.

This might be also because this Tav’s relationship with Shadowheart is not that strong. I’ve always come to this section at “Exceptional” approval from both. It’s Tav/Durge who encourage the two of them to put aside their differences to work together but first they’d need to foster bonds with both. Shadowheart and Lae’zel have no more petty dialogue after Act 1, and are quite civil.

And they really would. Once you play more of the game, you see they’re actually quite similar. Spoilers: Shadowheart: Tricked into worshipping a god who lied to her, wanting to be validated by that god and placed at her highest honor, is actually more understanding and friendlier than her fellow sharrans, puts on an act to seem tough but is actually sweet underneath Lazel: tricked by her god, wants to be put in her highest honor, is very friendly considering her race, pretends to be tough and unforgiving but is actually a sweetheart underneath They’re literally the same. Once they start to realize how similar they are, they foster this interesting friendship. Shadowheart is mischievous and can see the fun in things, while lazel is serious and too the point. It’s a nice balance and would be a very interesting relationship dynamic.

surprisingly, you gotta let her roll with it. nightsong does most of the convincing

@@battyrae1398 ah hah! Thanks for the reply! I guess I'll have to try on a future playthrough

Honestly if you do nothing Shadowheart actually choose to not kill the Nightsong on her own, if you goad her into killing her then yes of couse she becomes a Dark Justiciar, but if you stay silent she will choose to spare her.

@@Karomix3 Good to know! I actually started a new playthrough and I'm about to enter the gauntlet again, I've been mindful to check on her often and seems we have a good relationship, so crossing fingers!

@@Vecna Good for you. Though let me tell you that while Shadowheart as a Selunite is good for her, the spear she gets doesn't compare to the one she gets if she becomes a Dark Justiciar.

Mods can be found on my Blog (in descriptions)

@@dungeonsanddioramas8068 link adds in the description

Since the Nightsong is Seluné's daughter it's mostly symbolic. Shar has every dark justiciar kill the Nightsong to complete their trials so it makes sense that Aylin just comes back to life so the next little Sharran can waltz in and kill her again. Gameplay-wise it just gives the benefits of choosing the dark route for most characters. You get a decent weapon and the Shart quest plays out differently in act 3, but you lose the opportunity for a few allies in the final battle (Aylin, Isobel, and Rolan I think)

She won't come back. It's explained in the books found throughout the Gauntlet of Shar (or only in the library?) that the Spear had been kept away from other Sharrans/Dark Justiciars and was basically meant for a "chosen one", that it was an honor for Sharrans to guard it. The wannabe Dark Justiciars of previous generations would use other weapons, kill her temporarily, only for her to come back to life. It's the use of that Spear, possibly as well as Shar's blessing, that lets Shadowheart (and I guess Tav/Durge/other origin characters if Shadowheart isn't with you in the Shadowfell or you turn on her there) permanently kill Nightsong/Dame Aylin.

It's added by a mod. Modlist on my Blog (link is in descriptions)

why did we need to know if your cleric was gay? nobody ask lmao

She will be permanently removed from the party

She always be

@@ElenaBG3 Yeah, like I said, I modded that out. In my playthroughs, Aylin is a guy.

Hi, It's modded, can reach level 30

Yes, through certain dialogue options in act 1 you can make her doubt her beliefs enough that if you trust her to do the right thing she will throw the spear away and free Dame Aylin

yeah you can either convince her (though you need to roll a critical success) or if you make her doubt her beliefs she will spare dame aylin on her own if you choose to trust her

It's actually the most common path. If you have high relationship you don't even have to pass a skill check, you just have to slightly nudge her, back down, let her decide and she'll throw the spear into the void.

Greatclub bought in Moonrise Tower vendors

Guardian Armor (Can be looted in Final Battle... I used a mod to get it early lol)

It's not hard ot skip the roll. Look up shart's nightsong triggers. there's about 4 story points that I you get, you'll have fueled her doubt enough for her to make the choice on her own.

@@imaansayed8147 Yeah I know about the mechanics now, but I didn't back then and I didn't really trust her anyway.

@@Ripulintuoja rereading your initial comment thats obvious. Sorry for the accidental overexplain :P I read too fast sometimes haha

@@imaansayed8147 No worries, happens to me too.

It is not because of approval the dc30 was. There are "nightsong points..."... there's a video here about them...

It’s a RPG, what you find easy might not be as enjoyable to others

@@tacoboutit_ And because it is an RPG and my character got along well with her, despite the differences, she trusted her. There you go, i have been a roleplayer simce 1991 actually ;)

@@MoonsongReverb congrats I guess? What’s good for YOU isn’t always going to be good for someone else. People moralities are different and their play styles. If someone is making it hard on themselves maybe they just like it that way. Your way is not the definite way.

@@tacoboutit_ You are repeating yourself and interpreting too much into my words. But i‘m not in the mood to discuss with you atm

@@MoonsongReverb relating myself cus you’re not getting the point but go off

I know what you mean. She's obnoxious and the lesbian stuff is way too in your face. This game has weak writing, but the game engine is somewhat fun.

@@nuhuh4564 i dont think the game has that weak writting but i agree after 7-9th playthrough i just want to kill her honestly i also love to kill that lying girlfriends of hers !!

True. It's ok for a first playthrough. But the never-ending self-righteous monologues after KT's down are just unbearable. The scene when Aylin is rageously crushing KT's head when he's eventually down is so ridiculous it becomes funny, though. Also, i do appreciate personally the lesbian selunites if you refrain speaking to them. As a whole, it"s the transition from act 2 to act 3 that has a lower writing than the rest of the game, it feels like you're channeled by force into act 3, independently of your role-play.