titbits is better

I think you mean timbits

it was 100% on purpose 😂😂

Not anymore!

UK English vs US English. UK English has it as titbits.

true, especially in public game when we lack of communication doing the split pushing may create a misunderstanding

why would you play Dota 1 when Dota 2 is out for 11 years already

@@mudanashigoto typo

support is harder the higher your rank lol.

​@@Doflaminguard carries play support when they have to ierk off with one hand

@@seeker530 yeah 40 minutes farming gameplay surely needs 2 hands and all concentration kek.

Or troll can solo take tower while the others fix lanes.

He actually mentioned them: control the map with wards, deward

if you rewatch the later half of the video, around min 12:00 , BSJ mentions that right now, the map is so large , that the towers are not a large part of what constitutes the progression of the game. he also mentioned that you push the other lanes when they are dead so gain map control, then immediately group up again when they are alive (while having better map control due to pushing all lanes). he also mentioned that this totally depends on enemy matchup vs yours, what you are able to do while they are alive vs while they are dead. this game , enemy got an LC, so going solo in a lane to push it while LC is alive is very risky, while its a lot safer when she is dead. this game , the enemies are great at pick offs with LC, pudge, naix while dire has a much better team fight. So it makes sense to split up when they are dead and group up when they are alive. it would be different against a different matchup where enemies have better team fight, but less pick off potential, where you would wanna split up when they are alive (cuz they are stronger as 5 and u dont wanna take 5v5 fights against them) , and group up and take objective when they are dead.

It's more about the threat on the map. If LC is dead and SF ult is on CD, they no longer have pickoff potential. So whenever opponent doesn't have pickoff potential, you split up to maximize efficiency

@@an_omega_wolfok but i’m struggling to see how taking the bot tower isn’t good? That’s permanent map control cause they lose a tower right? How is pushing the lanes temporarily that much better

The team will get that tower regardless. SF is showing mid. LS won't be able to defend the tower solo. Ideally a support should tp top and push the lane while the carry takes the tower and then you can cut the mid creep wave (potentially killing the SF). Then enemy spanws and by then the top wave is pushed so team can group and take team fight near top tower gaining another objective. Instead if the team just sticks while enemy is dead, then once they spawn you are again grouped but also didn't get any farm on the map and two lanes are pushed into you leaving more space for enemy to farm

or go to twitch?

My pub teams immediately push the lane we just killed Rosh on while two other lanes are pushing into us

i'm also in legend but i have to keep telling my team to stop hitting creeps

Yesssa

What mmr are u bruh

Yeah. Doing the right thing sometimes isnt right if your team go as 4 and wipes.

my team every game

I've been the LP guy taking all the flame and vitriol by people who can't add their gold numbers. Not your fault. My fix was to quit the game. Dota scundered my Mmr seed (they fixed this when around the time the warp gate patch happened, 3 years too late) when I started so manipulating the 1000 variables in my favor doesn't account for my teammates throwing via glory seeking and ignoring core parts of the game. Poor Tormentor and Rosh get almost no action sometimes.

Either justify urself r stop caring. If u feel the guy flamming is gonna play based on the laning Phase r what theyre doing then tell them. Flame if u a have to to a degree. If it seems theyre not gonna play to win jeep doing it but just mute them .

one hell of a suggestion. Why dont you produce this tournament instead of "suggesting" that BSJ does it? im sure with how well you know it, you could set that up and be successful

well im suggesting it to him not you, wouldve have accept the same reply if its coming from him directly, not you. who are you actually duh?

You almost always want to pick the option that is going to put your team further ahead in gold (edit: and exp). In this case, taking the t2 is less efficient than splitting up to farm immediately after the fight. The team with the biggest gold lead almost always wins the game. If option 2 creates a bigger gold/exp lead for your team than option 1, you pick option 2 pretty much every time. The only real exceptions are for HG pushes and Roshan.

@@fbwhitey I guess my question is in how much extra gold/exp can the team get in that minute splitting up compared to taking the t2? I feel like it wouldn’t have been that much different. Less than 1k gold difference. Plus with that logic when do you take objectives? In this scenario it seems BSJ wants the team to only take objectives when the enemy team is alive to contest them? Which seems counterintuitive to me. Isn’t the game objective based? When do you take towers?

​@@conno13 Depends on a few things but mostly where the lanes are. If your lanes are pushed in, you split up and farm. If all the lanes are already pushed out, you can pressure the tower since theres not really anywhere else to farm and you're not sacrificing much anyway. A big issue I see happening a lot is people grouping up way too much and sacrificing farm all over the map to try and force an objective that doesn't really matter much. What generally matters more than anything else is how far ahead you are in comparison to your opponents. In this particular case, it's difficult to split up and farm when they could get picked off so easily, meaning they are having to sacrifice a lot of farm by being grouped. Even when they are winning fights, they aren't even really pulling ahead - so when they have the opportunity to split up they should absolutely take it. 1 minute of farm at 22-25 mins is more like a 3-4k gold swing if all 5 heroes on your team are farming efficiently and your opponents are not (ie, if they are dead). Rinse and repeat until you are so far ahead that your opponent's cant really fight you anymore, and its actually hard to lose at that point

BSJ mentioned why taking the T2 and wasting so much time wouldn't be a great idea, and it's a result of the same game state they found themselves in immediately after. Taking towers is good, but you could be doing better. LS/SF are the only ones alive, so one person could've taken that T2 by themselves easily while the other two go take the farm. It's not *just* the gold and exp lead you're pushing, it's also providing map control (pushed in lanes) and information (vision) which is important. BSJ also went on to point out that the reason you would've done this to push their advantage is that you push out mid and top, group up somewhere around mid or in their jungle (near the watcher perhaps) and then smoke and get a kill while they're recovering from that fight. This is because you know where the enemy will be, they have to defend their towers and need to get some gold after that lost fight. So you use that information to get a kill or two, which means they can't fight after that pickoff, and you get 1-2 towers off that and begin starving them out of the map. It's a domino effect. By mindlessly sitting grouped for a T2 tower, you lost the opportunity to do all that other stuff.

They just change the pictures bruh

​@@smarfl3ohh tit bit and tid bit is the same... Lel .. one sounds naughtier than the other

Tidbits but it's BSJ so yeah

Freudian slip

More hot than tidbits though 8)

😂It is now!

What mmr are you?

​@@el_precich I'm not a literal pro player signed to a team like BSJ but unless someone can counter my points or there was another factor I missed; I have to disagree with BSJs take in this very specific situation.

I disagree here with your perspective. In theory, LS could jump in SF and get a kill somewhere. But the only one that dies here is Techies, so he could push top (which SF and LS are far away from) while OD and/or Troll push mid. Techies walks back to base to heal, TP's to mid T2 and then groups up with the team to push their advantage with a smoke gank or something. The reality here, also, is that unless you are really confident and really understand the game (which 3k players don't really, and I'm saying this as a 2.7k player), you are going to be too apprehensive to go for pickoffs with 3 of your team dead. You want to play it safe, defend what you can without losing someone. I think that the tower still easily dies before the enemy team can respond, then Dire can just group mid after pushing in other lanes, do a smoke gank into their jungle/whatever and get another pickoff while the enemy team is still recovering and worried about Aegis.

Sometimes its the right thing to do, especially when you're playing from behind.