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I just use item guide for easy sorting of items that I might need but 100% of the time I think of the team and enemy line up to buy items

Honestly, one of the most difficult parts of being in trench tier, is that I never have a friggin clue what lanes people will be going to... Like generally I know which lanes specific heroes are meant to play, but in low MMR I find it so hard to itemize for my lane because all of a sudden the enemy is running a support Death prophet, mid jugg, offline riki, safe lane viper, and yer like... What in the actual fack, I thought I knew Dota

Item guides? Nah, just rush Khanda on every hero!

I had never thought of pulling after taking down a tower. I'm looking forward to apply this in my games

Good stuff! As for a pos 4 and 3 player, the abaddon bit with extending the laning phase really helped put things into perspective for both positions. Means I can keep "asserting" dominance over that area as an offlaner or if I see the enemy carry not capable of jungling, I look to bully him in the jungle as support. Might not fully understand these concepts yet but thanks for the tips on this one!

Item guides seem to stop people from using their brain at all for some reason. People forget they are guides not the bible.

This video reminds me of two specific games i played. Funny enough both of them was in a lane match up of slark vs underlord. first was me being the underlord, shutting down the slark pretty hard so he left at lvl 5. i staticed the wave because i figured slark at lvl 5 has a horrible time in the jungle, making sure that if he wants any lane creeps, he will have to come to me. my support was pinging me, telling me to push the t1 tower but i refused because i didnt want slark to get any easy xp and pushed the tower about 2-3 minutes later when the 10 min catapult showed up. on the other side, i was a warlock support for my slark on safe lane and we had a good lead on lane. on top of that, i had the easy camp triple stacked so i just stayed bottom and kept pulling the camp, over and over again, denying any xp and gold from the opponents while my slark was clearing the waves that came in and went back to the jungle. gave him mana with boots to keep it up. He complained a bit that i should "stop pulling because nobody is even in lane anymore" but i told him "nobody is here because there are no creeps for them" and continued both these games dont have anything to do with items but the concept of "staying in lane and making the enemies life miserable"

Amazing! I learned a lot here. Could you do a video about itemizing in the mid to late game? I personally have a lot of trouble in understanding why and when I should go for any item in a build. (Example: Should I be grabbing a Sceptre of Divinity, a Scythe of Vyse, or a Heavens Halberd, and how do I know when the best time to get it is?)

Oh man this was awesome. Not just the misuse of the item guides but also when to leave lane. I made the same mistake at times, winning the lane and taking tower min 5 and then running around like a fucking headless chicken, trying to help. Thank you for the awesome video!!

Thanks, BSJ. Im at 4.5k MMR right now and i have made a lot mistakes you mentioned in this video. I also played PA and whenever i had a good game i just rushed Battlefury and i couldnt understand how things turned out bad after this godlike start with a fast battlefury. Also pulling creeps after taking a tower as pos 3 is something i never thought about. gonna try to imply this right now!

a big part of my immortal journey has been to be able to adapt my build to whatever my team needs, and secondly counters whatever the enemies have. The overthrow gamemode made me 10x better at dota and itemisation

As an offlaner, when i get games like abbadon had, i actually follow your tip. But then my team keeps flaming me for not helping them in their lane... it's really hard to find that balance, as well as defining the line when to extend the laning stage when the team flames you for it.

Hey BSJ, I have a question! What if you build items towards, for example: BattleFury, but that also help you in laning, like damage items (the swords). Since the enemy will also stop laning and play defensively. So you will in theory be beating them in lane (damage items + greedy regen item) into battlefury so you can clear the waves fast and start jungling asap to scale. The way I see it, the "laning items" are just items that let you regenerate midcombat as opposed to give you movement speed (treads) or cleave (completed battlefury). So if you build regen items (that are greedier) it's the same as having gone wand. But movement speed, damage items, and regen all help you with laning --> and help you transition into jungle for when the enemy starts to enter level 6 and ganking becomes a huge threat.

Hey BSJ! Amazing video, it got me thinking and into the Q right now. I was very happy to see a positive example at the end of how to do it right. I would have enjoyed if the positive examples would've been expanded upon, i.e. reiterating the points you made on a demo where they were executed well :) Thanks for content like this

This is really cool. I realized pretty quickly that this is way above my level, I am never going to have enough insight to make these kind of calls. But it's still interesting to heart about, getting a look into the higher levels of reasoning

It's astounding to me many carry players rarely think to shove the lane when it's painfully obvious that that would be safe. Like, their offlaner just died after TPing and their mid just tpd bot for a teamfight, so I better keep hitting this small and medium camps while 3 waves worth of creeps just die uncontested.

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I never thought of pulling after destroying tower i will def try that

So you say to extend the landing stage if you are winning the lane, but if you are really dominating the lane, the opposing cores and supports seem to abandon the lane in my bracket. So what should I do at that point?

The number of times I have done well in a lane with AM and rushed a battle fury to then having to build threads and wand… is insane. A great revelation, thank you BSJ

I'm enjoying this remake of the "carry items 5-12m video" you made awhile ago

perhaps an exception: XarTheGaming's "guides" are actually just data mined item purchases at immortal at certain time intervals. they don't specify which items to buy, you need to choose for yourself from up to 10 options, and they usually cover most your needs.

i watched the coaching session live (last example) and i have to say, that it is a blast to win the lane and starve the enemy carry to death after that, just pulling the big camp over and over again!

These vids are super useful for learning stuff I never even thought about it dota

very useful insights bringing light to offlane wins that I did not extend past the laning stage

Well depends spell casters like ogre or sky wrath mage I will prefer buying stick instead of wand and buy treads and think that if I need extra set of armor then wraith band then after that straight maelstrom for better farming

I think it's worth mentioning or talking about a skill builds video. A lot of people just default to the same skill build every game and dont think about when to hold skill points or choose a different talent etc.

First time really hearing that pulling can extend your time on the lane. I suppose this also can be applied when your playing support role as well?

Played a 1.7k match this morning as a safelane Luna. My hard support last picked spirit breaker and proceeded to feed the lane by being overly aggressive and then spam ping me and then steal my farm in lane, he left lane at level 3 and then I got dove under tower and fed, my fault, we then lost our safelane tower at 5 minutes. However, maintaining a positive outlook and focusing on my own game and applying these principles, I recognized that I needed to rush a MoM and go jungle ASAP, so before the tower even fell I had already made a triple stack with just a brown boots and morbid mask. I stayed disciplined and recovered in the triangle and ended with a full build at 40 minutes and highest GPM in the game, and the win.

Fantastic video. Just one question. If you're the carry and the opponent is strong enough to dive the tower at lvl6, do you just abandon the tower and go jungle or do you try and defend it in some way?

Hi BSJ, I am such a fan of yours and I think it’s super helpful for scrubs like me to create a mental outline of what to do ingame. I have always love the pos 5 role (which is rare in SEA servers lol) and I just wonder if you could make a video like this for supports. Also, in my bracket sub-legend, what do you recommend if you have a core that is clueless on what he needs to do? How do you manage? Thanks and more power!

Honestly forgot item guides are a thing. It would explain why people in my 4k+/Ancient games still have terrible builds

So I'm a returning player, I quit playing back before Oracle was released... I started a new account because I was low-mid tier MMR on my original account and recently was placed in Herald. I'm not upset about my placement but more or less notice that the "cookie cutter" itemization hurts my carries as I support 100% of the time. It's always the same heroes which isn't necessarily a bad thing (kinda boring for me but I'm climbing still). But it seems like everyone in this bracket goes damage damage damage and sure it works some of the time, but I find the hero people on my team(s) have with are LC and Troll.... I often suggest Halberd but nobody ever seems to pick it up, so usually it's on my list for near late game, if we're pushing I'm near by hopefully buy a camp so I can farm it for my team. Great video and I hope more of my Herald Carries watch this.

I make my own item guides for heroes I play a lot, I’ll put every item the hero could possibly buy in the item guide so I never have to use the shop it’s all in the guide

could you make an extended version but for support. Like for example what could support plan to buy according to their game plan just like the carries.

The stick is something I learned once I spent time looking into stats that items get. It is almost never worth finishing while having tangos. I still like the guides because I get an idea of what people build with the patch changes. Reading description and notes is helpful too.

Heck of a video. Definitely stuff that the common player doesn't think about, and things like "I'm having a good start so I can buy greedy items" are SO common.

23:16 Can a decision of lane swapping with the pos 1 ck be a better decision at this spot? Batrider, mirana and ck has a strong catch potential to threaten void farm if ck position himself to farm on dires top neutrals side of the map. Matchup of abaddon vs. brew would stay on a stalemate. If void decides to laneswap with the brewmaster it can only farm 3 neutral camps on offlane side which is also harder to take since its mostly ancient camps.

To force myself out of this habit, I turned all my guides to the dota+ recommendations so I have to think about my build path more

That advert was creative as heck. First time i did not care skipping

This is by far the best coaching video ive seen on youtuber for now Very very very good and informative I didnt even realise the importance of this phase thank you! Very very much

That "huuuuuuhhhh!??" moment made me laugh hard 😂

I just tried applying the tips as Spectre against a timbersaw lane and ended up being highest networth the whole game and winning (after throwing a few times of course, still 3500 mmr after all) so thank you for the video!

Clean ad transition, and I like the guides to help me get kickstarted for the game.

That was a smooth transition to the ad ngl.

The more lasting insight I picked up from this video is that it's encouraged to drag the creeps away to small camp even past the laning stage to drag the creeps away from their T2.

At 10:27 Im recalling I've heard as a core I get what benefits my farming , if it means not taking ult I don't take it if it means I buy something I buy it every thing that gets me faster farm farm farm

Would've liked to see the items on the supports of these games. I know you mostly make vids for pos 1-3 but as a support player i get insight from this kind of videos by realizing my safe laners mentality. Also even though these are good clean cases i feel they could've been different if the supports were rocking mangos and salves.

This is genuinely one of the best guides you've ever done

thank for all the knowledge. I must ask, what bread is your dog (if it's crossed, with what breed has it been crossed). I had to take care of a friends dog for a year. They gave it away, but didn't know the bread. I'd love to get the same bread if possible and yours looks a lot like it.

speaking of a bit of your own still i fcking love octarine phantom lancer with the lvl25 cooldown talent on doppel. with the tarasque nerf its just sad but with octarine its fun playing pl with aghs again

I stopped using guides and ended up on phylactery, shard, basher pos4 razor.

I did the same mistake this offlane Abaddon did yesterday. I played Doom and was 2 levels ahead of enemy Drow Ranger, she left the lane to jungle and I already took the tower but then what I did was roaming other lanes, just to use my Ult and get 1-2 kills here and there without hitting a single creep (Sometimes even forgetting to use Q on a creep too) and 5 minutes later, Drow comes out of jungle with a full 2 levels ahead and 2 mid items with her and we lost the game pretty hard after 10 mins. It's such an easy mistake to commit because sometimes our brain goes into Auto Pilot for no fuckin reason. 😑

Is it better to follow a bad gameplan with items coherent with the bad gameplan? Or proceed to the good gameplan with the wrong items? ex: leave the lane (right choice) with laning items, or stay in lane (wrong choice) with laning items?

As an owner of 3 German Shepherds, your ad skit was incredible!

I just use guides to have all the items are good to the hero easy to find on the shop. I never follow the ordering and stuff, but is good to have like "favorites" items for each hero

Good item guides have options. Like if you're fighting a lot - take Deso, if you're farming - take BF. Options for when you had bad start vs good start. When you face casters vs heavy hitters.

Question as a noobie, why would getting boots early when planing on leaving the lanning phase early be a bad idea ever? Thank you For content like this. I’m overwhelmed with it all.

What I personally do is follow d2pt. See on a specific hero what items and skill build they are doing and also consider what enemy and ally heroes they are playing against and with and try to understand why they are doing so. Dont copy blindly. And if you are still confused they provide the game id, u can quickly watch the replay as well. And also in low mmr pubs try to avoid small laning items. Cause most likely ur support is not good and there will be very limited rotations from your team. Unless u r a hero like ls or ursa in a favourable matchup. This is for pos 1 players

One good example of what I'm doing extremely diffrent: When I play support vs another support I know I can harras with rightclicks I buy Wraithband for example on Lion. It's crazy how much better u can trade then.

What about past the lanning phase?

@24:29 - he wasn't ahead of void by 900 gold. he was up by maybe 680. He lost a lot still, but not nearly as much as you're saying lol

that was one of the best youtube ads i have ever seen lmao

20:20 And what if he goes fighting items and then the enemy makes the correct play and rotates 2-3 people to his lane and takes his tower and/or kills him? Then he's stuck farming jungle with no battlefury.

it's just so hard to predict what lane is gonna be like due to people just making mistakes/griefing it's not uncommon for the supports to give up on a lane or make huge mistakes that turn a winning lane into a losing one or vice versa and not just at the start but more or less at any point in the lane i've had so many winning lanes where the 5 just leaves making it impossible to lane

But I don't know what items to buy and when 😥

Excellent video! Thanks BSJ this is so useful!

I literally started playing weaver and just blindly followed the item guide and lost. Was just thinking of asking a friend for help. You on time BSJ.

Your workout guide with Blitz is clearly visible.. Nice one bud @BSJ

I am so keen for sniper pos 5 khanda now. Thank you for unlocking my potential with this advice BSJ.

"Back to reality, whoops there goes gravity" hahaha

This is the type of thinking I like to see. Advanced and smart. Well done bsj. Can always learn more.

For my bracket i feel like my laning phase is satisfactory. What ruins most of my games is the mid game. I would love a mid game strategy focussed guide please BSJ.

1:13 I really did think that how did he know

Nice insight BSJ

Nice video One big problem based on personal experience is it's not immediately obvious what many of the small items accomplish Till this day, it's still not obvious why Wraith band is a Laning item even though that's what everyone has been saying - i mean doesn't the extra stats make you farm a little faster? This is why ppl casually just go for these little recommended items, not necessarily because they don't think about whether they want to lane, but because they don't know what exactly those items accomplish That said, thx to the video it's a little more clear what they do

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Great video as always!

Hi! Thanks a lot for this video, that was useful! While this isn't your channel's primary theme, could you maybe do a similar one for supports?

So true, I used them back then in my first 100h to introduce items. Then I learned builds need to adapt to every matches and guides cannot cover them Now my builds are mostly from scratch and just to "pin" them for easy clicks

I need more videos about laning phase

Nice video. I play offlane and feel like I have done the same as the abbadon... Especially vs void this is really game loosing.

You’re giving hot-guy-next-door DotA pro this time BSJ, well done.

Very informative video! Thank you very much sir!

A guide on how to keep your lead when you destroy your lane would be helpful as well. I'm a lowrank offlane player and I usually dumpster the enemy carry but I struggle with keeping up the momentum so I end up losing late game.

There are good guides, and there are bad guides. The good ones tend to have some extra written details on items and abilities, as well counting for situational choices. And of course, a good guide just gives the basics of a hero. An expert might do something completely different, and that's how new builds are formed.

That was me on the brewmaster, 3rd example, coincidence. :)

Didn’t know people did this, I get different items every other game. I really like harpoon on dawn but some games you gotta rush nullifier. Early null = win some games. After watching more of the video and seeing the deeper part of the video, I can say on dawn I typically get the same starting stuff because it’s good for both lane and jungle.

19:14 onward was a big xd

i am follow your advice and i noticed a fast improve.. tnx you and going on

Next video: "This is why KZfaq guides are making you bad".😉

This was brilliant

That abba left lane with 1000 nw over void and after a minute was only up by 300, pulling after taking tower isnt something Ij've done much as an offlaner either, I'll defenitely start doing that in quickly won lanes. I think I naturally continue the lane on heroes like brood and lycan since they farm so well in a free area but other less greedy offlaners I feel like I've done this not so much.

Item guides are helpful for new players and returning players. I use item guide when i came back to dota after 7years. Its like a training wheel but eventually you have to stop relying to it to get good at the game

You're so great at teaching Dota man. Your guides are so helpful for me.

High quality content bro, as always. 👍

This video really change my mindset . Thanks a lot bro

Really good video. thx