Well thank you for that generous comment I really appreciate that! Yes I will definitely be keeping both of them. ATV's to me are like family and as the years go by and the parts get bolted on your in it to win it. I'm truly blessed to have these amazing machines. Honestly though it all started with the intention of simply having a backup machine. Ohio's riding season is 6 months at best. If I get out there 8 to 10 times a season I'm satisfied but I need to make every trip count. The trails just opened back up and looking forward to filming some more content this year. Thanks for watching brother!

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Great brother and thanks for watching! Do you have your eyes on a new YFZ or a good used one that was taken care of? What are you riding now?

pray we repent of our sins and turn to Jesus Christ for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand love your enemies and forgive others just as God can forgive you spread peace and be blessed amen..

Thankfully that was the extent of you injuries Abbottm72! I hope you healed up to 100% and are all the wiser from that experience. As much as I love the option to travel these paths in either direction its extremely dangerous. I'm glad you pointed that out because I didn't see that rider until the last second. I always prefer being the last rider no matter if its only two of us or twenty. I'm really not interested in a head on collision or equally being slammed from behind. I know I say it often but my worst fear is coming around a blind corner only to face a little kid on a 50. I know I can go much faster and especially on these trails. I've been riding them for 30 years but I'm to spooked because I've rolled up on lifeless bodies before. I have to force myself to not apply all the gas I really want. When either of these quads get up in the gears and in the power-band a panic stop is literally rolling the dice on the outcome. We should also mention to everyone that if your machine has lights then please turn them on. Every little bit helps out there and its that little bit that can make all the difference. Thank you so much for watching and the great comment.

@@350iroc9 the crash was in June on Father’s Day, was out with my son who was right behind me. Was out of work for 3 months. The wrist is better but still stiff and I have limited mobility but we are getting there. I’ve rode that area for years in it’s always been I. The back of my mind when riding that I could come around to another quad and unfortunately it happened but thankfully I wasn’t going very fast and had my helmet on. If nothing else it was a learning experience for my son who’s 14.

@@abbottm72 So this is a good point. When I think about it though, I still would prefer bi-directional paths rather than directional even with the danger factor it presents. Another question that arises and specifically when entering the woods with beginner riders or young ones is what position do you put them in? Would you prefer them in front of you where you can watch them yet vulnerable to head on traffic or behind you where you can't see them and react quickly if needed. If you think about it there really is no good answer. If forced to choose though I would do it the way you did with the new/young rider behind me. It only took an instant to mess up your wrist and will certainly take a long time to heal but as you said you'll get there. Wishing you and your family all the best and as always thank you for the great comments.

Thank you Jody for keeping with me your awesome!

First thank you for watch and the comment and congratulations on your purchase! Its nice to hear that you are going through the entire machine first. I myself would never trust anything until I gave it the once over before flying down a path! 05 YFZ's are carburetor driven so I would pay attention to cleaning it out and secondly I would check the valve clearances due to its age. Third I would install some new axle bearings because they are inexpensive. When those go its never a good day. Fourth and if not already installed get a good case protector in the event the chain snaps. Small $ could possibly save you BIG $$ later. What color 05 did you purchase?

@@350iroc9 Of course! I enjoyed it. And thank you, I’ve wanted an atv since I was a kid but my dad was military and we could never afford one or didn’t have a place to ride. But I just got out of the Marines and moved home to Illinois and some of my family goes to Wisconsin to trail ride and I figured I’d join them. But yeah I’m the same way, I don’t want to be ten miles down the trail and have the thing fall apart or lock up on me. As for the carburetor that’s on the top of my list to look at as it drives fine but won’t idle for more than maybe 10-15 seconds without dying. I just ordered a service manual to follow so I can check the clearances and whatnot like you said (because although I’m mechanically inclined I don’t know jack about quads). Wheel bearing was also next on my list lol. The front right tire is worn much more than the left because there is some play in it so I ordered bearings and ball joints for both sides. The rear axle splines are worn down as well as the spacers behind the wheel and there was tons of play but I noticed the axle nuts were finger loose so I looked up the torque specs and tightened them and they seem ok for now so I’m putting that on the back burner until I set aside a little more $ for parts. As I was doing the oil change I discovered the oil was a little milky and after I finished and moved over to do the coolant flush I realized the radiator was bone dry, as was the reservoir. I pulled the drain plug on the bottom of the engine and the new oil was slowly leaking out! It doesn’t smoke when running or seem down on power or anything so I believe it’s the water pump seal. It also has a twist throttle on it that I’m not a fan of. It’s fine on a motorcycle because you lean to turn rather than turn the handle bars. Plus the throttle cable binds up when you turn full right. So I also have an oem throttle lever on order. Hopefully the thing will be up and running in the next week or so! Sorry for the lengthy comment😅 Mine is blue! Although I would’ve been pretty happy if I could’ve found a white one. But at least there’s no question what brand it is lol

Jacob honest to god you hit the nail on the head about the YFZ450's seat - It SUCKs! I have no idea why they would of made it they way they did when they already had a great design with the Banshee seat. Instead of using the Banshee's spring loaded metal latching mechanism they opted to use the plastic molded into the seat pan as the latch. Its absolutely terrible... I wish there was an aftermarket product to fix this because I would buy it. Thank you for watching I really appreciate it! Best wishes.

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Thanks onewheel! I've been watching your 4x4 winter videos. Man that looks like a good time!

@@350iroc9 i am loving it. Gna be racing it this season.

Thank you brother for watching! No the Banshee isn't going anywhere as I've had it since 1995. I'll make another video explaining the mods on both machines soon for you. Also did you get my email address? If so I need to delete it of the other forum.

Great comment! Everything you're stating is so very true. Both machines have there place but there is just something about the Braaap Braaap that's special and irreplaceable. Thanks for watching!

A very good analogy with the quote of "two different games". I think that if the Banshee had a slightly different frame geometry it would be better severed. Thanks for watching and the excellent comment!

Thank you mzondi1970 for the comment. I have never had the opportunity to ride a 250R. Honestly the last time I even saw one in the woods was in the late 80's and it was a 250R Trike. It appears from other KZfaq videos that all the 250R machines are now reserved for dune type riding. They certainly are legends in their own right. Thanks for watching and remember 51 is the new 41! LOL!

@@350iroc9 I had a Honda 450R but it got rid of it realized that thing was too high strung for the woods now I have a warrior and a new Honda Foreman. Much more suited for woods riding for my style. I'm slow down some been battling cancer can't get out there and act crazy no more

@@mzondi1970 The main thing is that you feel comfortable and still out there. I would agree that the Warrior and Foreman are very well suited woods machines. As for your health battle, hang in there. Get that stuff out of you and tell it not to come back. Difficult roads often lead to beautiful destinations. Don't let illness define you, let it refine you. Never lose hope. When the sun goes down, the stars are sure to come out. Wishing you a full recovery brethren sincerely.

Hi MBF and thanks for watching! The KFX450R is in my top 3 favorites. I've had the pleasure to ride my good friends 08 KFX and have to say the motor output is extremely similar to my YFZ's. Some of the reviews tag that the KFX has twitchy steering but honestly I like it. The footprint is smaller to the current YFZ but that just makes it very confident and nimble in the woods in my experience. I think you really have a gem there and hope you keep it till the end of time. As for the Banshee's water issues I've since corrected it with new Keihin 28MM flat slide carbs. Its been a long time debate to why the motor would go into a cruise control condition until you bip the throttle a couple of times. As you can imagine it's not ideal and can become dangerous at times. Lastly I do wish that the YFZ had a kick starter but only as a backup in case the battery was to die. Lord knows your friends won't be your friends anymore if they have to push start you the rest of the day.. LOL.\\ Again thanks for watching !

@@350iroc9 Oh yes, I hit the jackpot w/the KFX. Hubby tweaked my steering (last owner was twice my size), took a little air out of the overinflated tires, and it rides like a charm (see my vid from yesterday if you want to see the obstacle course terrain we ride : ) ) We keep the KFX on charge when cold is not a friend. Still a YFZ's on my wish list, CF Moto too, can't have too many ATVs. Anyhoo, glad you got the water issue cleared...no pushing with either one I bet!

Hi there and thank you for watching! The Banshee uses an old set of FMF Fatty Gold series pipes and the YFZ uses a Rossier Rebel R4 full competition exhaust system.

I love your ENTHUSIASM ! ! -- Thanks for watching!

Hi Ryan and thank you for the question as it is a good one. I have several friends that own the Raptor and by adding a simple exhaust, tuner and intake have made them great machines. I've rode them both and feel the Raptor is taller but narrower. The YFZ you feel like you sit in the bike and not on top of it. The additional width makes it feel more stable. As for comfort I don't see any issues with the YFZ as there is plenty of leg room and the seat is long. As for speed they are about the same. They are both very reliable and well made. I can say if you like to take your quad apart to clean and maintenance it the Raptor is more complex and will take more time. I know this is a hard decision but in reality I think the Raptor is probably the better buy because of its lower MSRP and over all cost of ownership. The real decision maker should ultimately be by riding each of them if at all possible. I think even just sitting on them both will help make your decision. I think this will help you without a doubt of where you belong. Thanks for watching and don't sweat over the decision too much as either one of these machines will make you smile!

These trails are located inside the Wayne National Forest of Ohio. Can I ask how is the 08 YFZ holding up now that it's 14 years old?

@@350iroc9 nice ohio isn't far from me. Its holding up pretty good just had to replace the engine case and shift shaft but that's due to me being impatient

First congrats on your Banshee purchase! Did you do a straight line race against the new 450 and if so what was the results? Secondly as a recommendation for your buddy with the 450 I would advise swapping out the slipper clutch basket for the previous 09-10 version immediately! If he's not sure what I'm talking about he should look it up on the forum. Use the search terms of "YFZ450R CLUTCH BASKET ISSUE"

@@350iroc9 No we did a trail comparison. Definitely like the 450 for the trail. Banshee for everything else. I’ll race soon and post it.

@@done-wright_performance Very cool would love to see it! As for your quad it's going to take around $1200 to bolt on +2+1 A-Arms and some Elka Legacy series shocks to match the 450's suspension. After this upgrade he better look out brother!

That is a great idea!

If it was me I don't think I would buy a duplicate machine unless you plan on someone else riding it.

@@350iroc9 yeah I rotate through them but don’t know if I want to ride a Banshee all the time while others ride the yfz and Raptor since not as good riders. Buying multiple ones for family and friends to ride with when go to dunes and trails. Still cheaper then a SXS getting multiple rides.

Well I think the Banshee is a good investment currently and feel that what ever you spend on it you should certainly get it back and then some. All of the other bikes like YFZ and Raptor will only depreciate since they are still in production. I just got back from another ride weekend and took the Banshee out again for the third time in a row. I normally alternate but honestly if its not a mud bath I really do prefer the Banshee over the YFZ. It's absolutely amazing to me the attention it brings these days. There was a point you couldn't give them away but now its become a favorite with the old and especially new kid riders. I think everyone is just board with bland looking and sounding 4x4's dressed in camo. The SXS people around here are properly named "dirt turtles" because our trail system only allows for the small ones

@@350iroc9 Oklahoma, I’ve never ridden a banshee, always wanted one growing up. I raced YZ250 and YZ125 2 stokes and prefer them over the 4 stroke dirt bikes. Just riding trails and mainly sand dune trips at Little Sahara state park in OK for atv riding. It’s easier to ride with my kids on atvs then it is dirt bikes so they have atvs.

In my opinion the Banshee needs to be wider using +2 +1 A-Arms with new front shocks. The rear shock is fine but will require an adjustable width axle to compliment the new front width. A stabilizer is a preference and can be a bit spendy but worth it if the budget allows. An air box is a must for wet conditions because pod filters will and do eat water. Thanks for watching and thank you for the questions! All the best to you!

Well I wish I was you then because Wayne National Forest will only be an hour away from Zainsville! Thanks for watching!

Hi Malcolm! It looks like a 150RB is an entry level dirt bike from Honda correct? If the 150RB is anything resembling my old XR100 I would drive around as a kid, the difference in power will shock you. The 450 is a very good quad but quads in general can be expensive to maintain unlike Honda Dirt Bikes. As I've stated before, "You need to drive the quad and don't let the quad drive you." If you remember that statement then there is no such thing as "too powerful" LOL....Thanks for watching and stay safe out there!

Nah you’ll be good as long as you can man handle the quad a bit 150rb is a decent bike high compression small engine but that’s why the 450s are too

Hi Mike. This video was captured at Wane National Forest in Ohio. Thanks for watching!

The 450 has more torque in the bottom end but there’s something about a banshee it’s indescribable

In terms of actual power or torque lets imagine I was tasked with towing my buddies Scrambler 1000 out of the woods and had the option of using either the Banshee or the 450. I would definitely reach for the 450 because it has more raw torque to pull him out. We also have to keep in mind that there is a 100cc difference from one to the other not to mention a 26 year age difference. With all that said the 450R is more powerful in my opinion. Thanks for watching brother and thank you for the comment!

@@jaxsonvayro4603 You hit the nail on the head Jaxson! "Indescribable" is a perfect description! A++ and appreciate you watching including the killer comment...

@Jason Lakis That's why you need a Zilla! 😁Of course you see what I ride in the woods.... lol

@@QuadGuyCy I’d love to get a zilla but I have two banshees right now maybe in the near future tho. Also to trails I ride are pretty big and wide so I can ride the banshee higher in the rpms like it’s meant to be

Yes we do the same hand signals with a closed fist to say last in the line. It gets confusing though when your riding with 10 or more people! LOL. Thanks for watching!

@@350iroc9 hey when i started last year i was just waving not know lmfao 🤣

Mike yes we all love the 250R still. I have no idea what Honda was thinking to pull their sport quad lineup from existence. Yamaha sells every single Raptor and 450 they make at full MSRP. As for the 3-wheelers I rarely see them anymore but when I do its like Elvis entered the building!

@@350iroc9 lol@ elvis I have 2 of them and I have the og parts fenders etc

@@blacksmokematters4521 That is wicked cool Mike to still pilot "outlawed from production" machines. To ride a 3-wheeler with confidence and skill must certainly take some big tomatoes if you know what I mean. With a Dirt Bike you can ride a single line. With a 4-wheeler you ride 2 lines and stratal the middle. With a 3-wheeler your literally rolling over 3 lines touching everything in the path with only one option out - wheelie! Thanks again and super cool!

@@350iroc9 thats what I started riding on at young age 3 wheelers it's not the 3 wheeler it's the rider lol

I guess that's a good way to summarize the two. We have to remember though we are comparing 80's technology vs. 2000's technology. Thanks for watching and thank you for the comment!

Honestly nothing can replace the Banshee! It will always be my favorite! Love the comment brother and BRAAAAP-BRAAAAAP!

They certainly can be Ryan. I've been riding these trails for years and have had countless close calls. Only in the fall time when the leaves are down and you can see around the corners can I really open it up with confidence. In the summer its best to keep a level head and slow it down a bit because you literally will only have a split second to make a decision. With that said the other rider coming at you will have to make their decision so things can get complicated real quick!